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    XC Cat. 3 race course

    Has the XC Cat. 3 race course changed this year? Someone has told me it is different than last year.

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    I don't know if the course has changed or not but, it seems there is conflicting reports of the course length. Last I heard it was 14.4 miles but, looking at the official SOC race route it appears to be 16 miles and 2800 ft of climbing.
    Can anybody confirm either?

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    How competitive is the Cat 3?

    Are there p1/2 roadies sandbagging in there?

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    Unfortunately yes. Sea Otter is sandbag central.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xenu View Post
    How competitive is the Cat 3?

    Are there p1/2 roadies sandbagging in there?
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    OK cool then I don't feel so bad.


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    Looks like I'm going to preride the course Sunday to see what's new on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xenu View Post
    How competitive is the Cat 3?

    Are there p1/2 roadies sandbagging in there?
    Yea it's very competitive. I race cat 3 and do decent in the smaller races but Sea Otter I'm like in the middle of the pack. The top 5 guys just kill me.

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    Cat downing is unfortunate and unfair for the racers who put themselves in their appropriate Cat but, it's been going on for years and I don't think they have any means of controlling it. Knowing that at least the top 10-15% are Cat down racers, I won't feel so bad finishing mid field.

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    You can call it cat downing, I still call it sandbagging. Also known as cheating. Sanctioned by our favorite organization, USAC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheSchwagman View Post
    You can call it cat downing, I still call it sandbagging. Also known as cheating. Sanctioned by our favorite organization, USAC.
    Cheating?

    What if someone is fit but completely inexperienced in the world of MTB racing?

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    If you've never raced ANY bike, race cat 3. If you're truly a beginner, race cat 3. If you're an accomplished bike racer of another discipline, race your cat, or at least no more than 1 away (but only if you really suck in dirt). Track or road cat 1 should never be in XC cat 3! Crosser cat 2? Race cat friggin 2! If you show up as a cat 2 or 3 with huge quads, shaved legs, 5% body fat, have a coach and a $7000 carbon race frame, YOU ARE A SANDBAGGER! And yes, that's cheating.
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    OK, Cat 3 is for guys who have never raced before? Well, I've only finished one MTB race in my life. But is sounds like I'm totally going to cheat if I race Cat 3 MTB based on my low body fat and shaved legs. Counterpoint is that I'm not coached and will be riding an aluminum 'cross bike with 32mm tires. And it's going to be my sixth race in four days.

    What do you think of my plan?


    Thursday: Criterium
    Friday: Circuit
    Saturday: Road Race AND Cyclocross race
    Sunday: 7:30am Tandem MTB race AND (if I finish the 20mi tandem race in time) 9am Cat 3 MTB race.


    If I win the last race I am definitely a sandbagger!

    BWAAHAHAHHAHAH

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    that sounds painful!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wakejunky View Post
    I don't know if the course has changed or not but, it seems there is conflicting reports of the course length. Last I heard it was 14.4 miles but, looking at the official SOC race route it appears to be 16 miles and 2800 ft of climbing.
    Can anybody confirm either?
    Rode the course Sunday, yes it's 16 miles. There are two new sections of single track. One of the sections is very very sweet with nice bermed turns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mb2boost View Post
    Rode the course Sunday, yes it's 16 miles. There are two new sections of single track. One of the sections is very very sweet with nice bermed turns.
    Yup, that section used to be a straight fireroad rutted descent which took about 15-20 seconds to traverse. The new winding singletrack should take a couple minutes and expect to be stuck behind a ton of people going slow ... hopefully not me

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    Any info on specifically where this new section is on the course? I won't have time to pre-ride so this would be good info to have.

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    It is trail 49 down to Pilarcitos Canyon Rd. It used to be a steep rutted decent and now it is a tight twisty single track. Much longer than the old route.

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    Heard through the grapevine that the most of the fireroads are covered in loose gravel? Is this true?

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr View Post
    Heard through the grapevine that the most of the fireroads are covered in loose gravel? Is this true?
    Yeah as they usually are. There is a fairly bare line on most of them but it is still scketchy. You have to be really careful in the corners. It's like riding in the sand, relax and let the bike wander around. Be smooth and don't do anything sudden.

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    Cool thanks!

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    Re: XC Cat. 3 race course

    how much climbing do you think we did? Official info 2800 ft, but gps said 2100issh. Not sure how reliable my gps was though

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    thanks for strava link, i see elevation, but how do I see climbing?

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    I did the Cat II race and Strava had me at 21.6 miles and 2912 feet elevation. I think the elevation gain is probably less than what they quoted on the course map, though you can't simply take the Cat I course and divide by 2 (as they do in the race information section of the website).

    In any case, 2900 feet was plenty for me. I can't imagine the Cat I folks that did two laps!

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