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    WEAK prizes

    My friend podium at Sea Otter last year and got a 29er 1.95 tire..

    WTF - this rider doesn't even have a 29er. Tried to GIVE me the tire because I have a 29er but - NO THANKS, I use 2.3


    SeaOtter----------- keep your prizes. REFUND entry fee.

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    Yea, I don't know WTF is wrong with race organizers these days. I did a 24hr race last year, came in third place in the Masters class ( podium spot) and they ran out of prizes before they got to us. They said one would be sent but I'm still waiting.

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    Well I guess you guys race for different reasons that I do. I race for fun and enjoy the competition. I have podiumed many times in the past (not so much now) I can't truly remember being bummed about the prize--I was just stoked to be on the podium. I honestly can't remember what the prises I won are. But I guess we all race for different reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 23mjm
    Well I guess you guys race for different reasons that I do. I race for fun and enjoy the competition. I have podiumed many times in the past (not so much now) I can't truly remember being bummed about the prize--I was just stoked to be on the podium.
    While I race for the sense of accomplishment rather than the prizes, I can relate to the above posts expressing disappointment with the lack of/poor prizes. Bottom line is that the Sea Otter is a big race and they *advertise* that they give out prizes. Therefore, Sea Otter should make good on this promise by giving prizes as promised to podium finishers, and the prizes really should reflect the importance of the event.

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    Kind of an odd Thread, but I guess it does have some merit. Although it baffles me, I have a friend (a couple actually) who gets all butt hurt when the event doesn't offer a free t-shirt with a race entry fee. It has nothing to do with winning or getting on the podium.
    I think that in 4 years of mtb racing I've 'won' a couple pairs of Maxxis tire levers and a pair of Cannondale gloves that fit a child. I've also only received one free t-shirt with a race entry fee and it's red. I hate red t-shirts.

    What really irks me are the little medals they give out to those that podium and what irks me even more are the tiny USA Cycling medals given out for State Champion Series winners. I have 2 from two seperate years and they are exactly the same. Nothing etched on the back, just a simple, lame gold medal in the shape of the USA Cycling logo.

    When I used to race BMX back in the '80's my BMX class equiv to our CAT3 State Championship yielded a trophy that was half my height.

    Last winter I paid $40 for an ABA license and raced a handful of indoor, local BMX races again after a 20+ year hiatus. I paid $10 for a night of racing and walked away with a beautiful trophy. Not a tiny, plastic medal. One weekend the winners of each class, from beginners to open to pro paid $30 for a full day of racing, received triple points and 1st place in each class walked away with a 3ft tall trophy.

    I recall paying $60 for my USA Cycling CAT1 license this past year. I got a cardboard card and some junk mail. My printed, plastic $40 ABA license came with all the perks and insurance. Plus I receive a quarterly magazine complete with race reviews, articles and the current ranking by state AND nationally (for those who entered qualifying races) of every ABA card carrying member.

    Go figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    Kind of an odd Thread, but I guess it does have some merit. Although it baffles me, I have a friend (a couple actually) who gets all butt hurt when the event doesn't offer a free t-shirt with a race entry fee. It has nothing to do with winning or getting on the podium.
    I think that in 4 years of mtb racing I've 'won' a couple pairs of Maxxis tire levers and a pair of Cannondale gloves that fit a child. I've also only received one free t-shirt with a race entry fee and it's red. I hate red t-shirts.

    What really irks me are the little medals they give out to those that podium and what irks me even more are the tiny USA Cycling medals given out for State Champion Series winners. I have 2 from two seperate years and they are exactly the same. Nothing etched on the back, just a simple, lame gold medal in the shape of the USA Cycling logo.

    When I used to race BMX back in the '80's my BMX class equiv to our CAT3 State Championship yielded a trophy that was half my height.

    Last winter I paid $40 for an ABA license and raced a handful of indoor, local BMX races again after a 20+ year hiatus. I paid $10 for a night of racing and walked away with a beautiful trophy. Not a tiny, plastic medal. One weekend the winners of each class, from beginners to open to pro paid $30 for a full day of racing, received triple points and 1st place in each class walked away with a 3ft tall trophy.

    I recall paying $60 for my USA Cycling CAT1 license this past year. I got a cardboard card and some junk mail. My printed, plastic $40 ABA license came with all the perks and insurance. Plus I receive a quarterly magazine complete with race reviews, articles and the current ranking by state AND nationally (for those who entered qualifying races) of every ABA card carrying member.

    Go figure.

    Yep And that is why I have heard the USA Cycling is one of the worst organizations in all of sports. They do seam to keep screwing up cycling in the USA.
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    Yea...

    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    I recall paying $60 for my USA Cycling CAT1 license this past year. I got a cardboard card and some junk mail. My printed, plastic $40 ABA license came with all the perks and insurance. Plus I receive a quarterly magazine complete with race reviews, articles and the current ranking by state AND nationally (for those who entered qualifying races) of every ABA card carrying member.

    Go figure.
    Sixty bucks for the privilege of having a USAC license. Feel the glow of the entitlement...
    Sorry what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bulletbob
    Sixty bucks for the privilege of having a USAC license. Feel the glow of the entitlement...
    The problem lies in the fact that it's difficult to get around it, at least in Utah, if you want to race any of the local races. You're either dishing out $5 for a 'temporary license' or $60 for a full year so I can race CAT1. Without it, I'm stuck with the CAT2's-who are usually sandbaggers and actually faster than the CAT1's but too cheap to dish out for a license and race Sport all their life -but then I don't get points towards any State Championship Series.

    I can see some of the logic in the insurance aspect of USA Cycling from a promoter's point of view. I can only imagine what it costs to insure a mountain bike race. However, it would be nice that when said promoter submits my results to said USA Cycling they would update my USA Cycling profile with that result. The ABA can do it for $40 a year and go so far as publish it quarterly in a big magazine. I also forgot to add that the ABA issued me a dedicated number and actually sent a number plate along with my registration-cheap, but still.

    I only raced but a few indoor BMX races last winter. It was fun and brought back some memories but that's about it. After reading and participating in this Thread I pulled my USA Cycling card out of my wallet. The sh!tty printing rubbed off on my REI membership card and is now forever emblazoned on it and my discount Jiffy Lube card that was sandwiched on the other side of it.

    Oh well, at least now I won't forget my number when filling out those release forms .

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    I Suck so bad at racing I don't have to worry about any of this

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    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    You're either dishing out $5 for a 'temporary license' or $60 for a full year so I can race CAT1.
    Wow. Over here it costs us $20 for a day license.

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    I know that they gave out some leatt braces at sea otter last year. I didn't realize that people were in it for the prizes.

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    I totally agree with Mr. slcrockymountainrider , ABA is an excellent example to the other sanctions ...
    I've raced ABA national races and they're the best .

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    I guess the races up here in Oregon are pretty good in the prize department. Pretty much every race I have been to has had great prizes and raffles. I think it adds some more fun to the event and the raffle is always a good way to keep people around for a while. Typically each race has some top raffle prizes like forks, frames, XTR wheels.... And there is usually some good goodies for podium spots.

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    Hey, This kinda ties in with another thread where someone was awestruck by the entry fee this year. The post was something like 70 bucks. Of course there was someone to argue the point that it was only like 55. I was like.... wow thats better.... not. I agree that racing for amateurs should be at a grass roots level. Here in AZ there are a couple promotors that put on no frills competitive well organized events for about 30$, but you do get a cool T-shirt and some kind of event specific trinket for placing well. On top of all that they always have a great raffle with real cool prizes, and they usually give out all the hammer gel you care to ingest. The typical turnout for one of these races is about 300 people. Point being... these for profit promotors manage to put on a great event that makes even the last place guy feel like he got a good deal on his money and they turn a profit. Now fast forward to big events like the SOC. Touted as the biggest bicycle event in america...... i tried to get a feel for how many participants were signed up year after year. I could not get an exact number, but the last time i was there in 99 there had to be 3000+ competitors. Who knows today how many? But do the quick math of 3-5000 x 50-70$. Its sick. And you get a 3$ tube for a podium spot in the countries biggest bicycle event No primo prizes for first onto dirt, or fist up the corkscrew, best costume, nothing. Again this is capitalism at its finest. The organizers are doing what the market will bear. No doubt the SOC is a fine well run event. What they / we have forgotten is that it is not an event without the people. Let your voice be heard!

    Again, i agree that racing is not about the prize, it is about the thrill of competition and the quantification of all your hard work and training, but if you are going to give premium money for a high frills premium event you expect cretin things in return. Compare it to a hotel. If you pay $30 for a night at the motor lodge you don't expect any frills like fancy lotion or a mini fridge. But you pay 70-100$ for a room in lets say the MGM grand in vegas you expect some things. The same goal is accomplished by both hotels but you pay for superior quality at the MGM. Fight the power!

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    For me, while racing is not about prize money and/or prizes, they do make getting to the podium a bit more sweet. And for Sea Otter and its affiliates to be handing out prizes that may or may not be of use to the top finishers, its frustrating.

    For me this year, my first podium finish came as a bit of surprise. And then I remember that podium finishers get prizes. WOO HOO! But then I had to laugh when I looked in my swag bag. Both prizes were actually pretty universal, but due to my unique dietary needs and running newer tech on my bike, both prizes were pretty much useless for me. So my wife walked away with two prizes, a box of Clif bars (I have a wheat allergy - Clif bars, although some are wheat free, they are not made in a wheat free facility) and a SRAM 9spd chain (Ironically I am running SRAM's 10spd XX group and SRAM's 10spd Force group on the road bike. The commuter is a single speed with single speed ring and freewheel - too wide for a 9 spd chain). But my wife has 9 spd on her mountain bike, so she got the new chain.

    I would have to agree with those who mentioned the entry fee refund. The Wisconsin Off Road Series (WORS) that I raced in before moving to CA, would refund race entry fees up to 15th place overall for expert/Cat 1, sometimes deeper if it was a big race.

    Refunded entry fees would be great at Sea Otter.

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    I managed to make the podium this year at sea otter. I wasn't at all disappointed with the "prizes" if you will. Got a new chain and a entire box of cliff bars! Think there was some other stuff in there too, odds and ends.

    In the long run, the cliff bars will be eaten and the chain will have broken... but it's the memory of the race that counts. It'll be the medal that brings you back to the place you were in so many years before... It'll give you the opportunity to relive the experience with friends and family.

    On another note (and for those who really care), I know that the winner of our class received a voucher for a new pair of SIDI shoes!

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    I don't attend races for the podium prizes in the same way that I don't accept a dinner invitation from a friend based on what they are serving. However, if I'm invited to a friends house for dinner and they ask me to bring a nice bottle of wine and then serve Cheezits and popcorn, I'm gonna wonder what the hell is up with that.

    Same way with the Sea Otter prizes, I don't race expecting to win great prizes if I podium, but with all the money they take (including my $55 entry fee) and make, you'd think they could do better.

    This year I made podium (5th place) in my division for the XC race; I got a couple sample packs of ass cream, a bottle of cyto max, and get this; two 26er inner tubes with Schraeder Valves. When was the last time you saw someone racing on Schraeder Valve rims?

    What ever SOC dudes, what ever.

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    They took in $55 for even the several hundred 'casual' MTB Tour folks, and all they got was that crappy cold pasta lunch at the end.

    Most of the prizes you get are actually free to the SOC organizers; I'm sure Clif Bar, SRAM and SIDI provided the prizes.

    The tubes you got? Probably leftover tubes from the athletes' schwag bag that everyone got when picking up registration.

    Yeah, pretty weak for the amount of money they rake in. 40,000+ attendees paying for expo passes or racing? Laguna Seca doesn't cost THAT much to rent. When we had a track weekend there the organizer said they got the track, during the summer, for the whole weekend, for $100k. With personnel and emergency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by murdog
    I don't attend races for the podium prizes in the same way that I don't accept a dinner invitation from a friend based on what they are serving. However, if I'm invited to a friends house for dinner and they ask me to bring a nice bottle of wine and then serve Cheezits and popcorn, I'm gonna wonder what the hell is up with that.

    Same way with the Sea Otter prizes, I don't race expecting to win great prizes if I podium, but with all the money they take (including my $55 entry fee) and make, you'd think they could do better.

    This year I made podium (5th place) in my division for the XC race; I got a couple sample packs of ass cream, a bottle of cyto max, and get this; two 26er inner tubes with Schraeder Valves. When was the last time you saw someone racing on Schraeder Valve rims?

    What ever SOC dudes, what ever.
    Wow, this is horrible! When I used to run professionally, the prizes were awesome...(tv's, cash, stereo's, trophies). Sounds like these race organizers are ripping you guys off! It is not that hard to have companies donate cool prizes in exchange for free advertising. The race organizers need to get some better marketing people on their teams.

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    Ouch!
    Last time I raced was the 2001 GAP Series by SORBA - I'm thinking SORBA are a much smaller organization & the loot rocked hard (even in the picayune Sport Clydes class)....and all for $25 entry, which included an event T & goodie bag for every race.
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    WOW! im shocked about all the negativity..with the soc prices.i thought mountainbiking was about the love of the ride/nature/comraderie/competition...i went to the soc for 6 years raced twice came in last the first time cramping all over did the first super d in 07jsut for the love of mountain biking. maybe its sign of the times.most people cant afford 50 55 bucks to race/podium and bring home bad memories.if i didnt move to texas from the bay ares (san francisco) ill still be going to the best celebration of the bicycle

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    Mountain biking IS about the riding, nature, etc. However, when an enterprising group of business savvy people decide to organize an event and profit from it then it very well gives the right to the participants to question whether or not they're getting their money's worth.

    It's not cheap to organize SOC.. however they're also not charging chump change for the expo, races, concessions, camping and the individual booths. Where's all that money going? I'm all for them taking a reasonable percentage profit, but when less than 1% of that could've been applied to making the individual podium winners really happy and making the other people strive more for the podium.. yeah, then it turns into less of a festival and more of a business proposition.

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    It was with some reluctance that I placed my previous post on this topic because it does sound a bit like petty complaining, and I don't like to be negative about SOC because I agree that it's a great celebration. But I do think the promotors of the event put too much emphasis on the overall event and the money they make, and not enough emphasis on the little details that do make a difference to the individual racer. Such as; poor course markings, minimal marshals, water stations that run out of bottles (last year), and yes; very chincy prizes when you consider all the money that get's taken in and all the big sponsors that are down there.

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    I think a great podium prize would be a free entry fee for the following year.*

    *must be redeemed in the next higher class with the exception of Pro of course.

    I don't care what I receive for winning a race, but it is fun when I'm stoked like a new tire or a cool jersey, T-shirt, Hammer products, etc.

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    I would have to say I felt much like murdog when posting my first post on this topic. I honestly had a great time at Sea Otter, I finished in just under my target time which resulted, to my suprise, in a podium spot. And really the prizes weren't too bad, I just didn't have a use for them at all. Luckily my wife did.

    I think perhaps, my disappointment in the prizes was due to the fact that this was my first podium finish at Sea Otter, and I was simply expecting a bit more than a chain and Clif Bars. But when you look at it, there are a bunch of podium finishers when you factor in all races, classes, and age groups. So thats a lot of swag. Unfortunately you just never know what a winning riders' personal needs are or what would be compatible with that rider is riding.

    Which is why I really like mellowyellowCJ7's idea of free entry fee for the following year. Not sure about the next higher class clause, I raced Cat 1 XC and can't just upgrade on a whim to Pro. But if they would let me, I'd take the opportunity to embarrass myself in the pro field, just to say I rode in a pro XC race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by addctd2adrnlne
    Which is why I really like mellowyellowCJ7's idea of free entry fee for the following year. Not sure about the next higher class clause, I raced Cat 1 XC and can't just upgrade on a whim to Pro. But if they would let me, I'd take the opportunity to embarrass myself in the pro field, just to say I rode in a pro XC race.
    Then no free pass for you! Ha
    Ok, I'm not fast enough to know about the Cat1/Pro stuff, but I hate seeing Cat 3 and Cat 2 that are 20 minutes in front of the pack. But then again, I was 10 minutes off the back of the Cat 2 pack, so I have my own problems and complaining about the podium is only in my dreams right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lubes17319
    Ouch!
    Last time I raced was the 2001 GAP Series by SORBA - I'm thinking SORBA are a much smaller organization & the loot rocked hard (even in the picayune Sport Clydes class)....and all for $25 entry, which included an event T & goodie bag for every race.
    Yeh, with all that GAP didnt do right (organization, results to norba, etc), the prizes were always top notch. I knew if I placed top ~5 in most sport races I would take home something decent, and it was extra motivation to race (the fun of racing itself is enough, the potential of a (mystery) prize at the end is even more). Even when the GSC replaced the GAP for the Ga series, there were still awesome prizes (and much better organization from the promoter). SERC was the same, just harder to get to the podium. When I got out here to the SF area, I was somewhat bummed that there was no schwag at the end of the race for most races I went to. Another disappointment was pre-race schwag. Very little to almost nothing more than a hammer gel and a bunch of adverts out here, where as back east I would frequently be loaded with all sorts of samples or trinkets. To compare, last year I went home and raced in a US Cup East race (basically the equiv of the Sea Otter XC out here), for the ~$60 entry fee, sea otter gave us a bottle, inner tube, cytomax. For $25 (+$8 late fee) the US Cup east was bottle, KMC link, three different drink samplers, cytomax, couple different goo packs, tshirt, and a bunch of other stuff, enough to cover the trunk of my rental car (got a pic of it somewhere), though it didnt have the festival. Placing third I got another bottle, a plastic BMX style numberplate trophy with "US CUP EAST 3rd" (probably the most memorable and best trophy/medal yet), and a multitool and a few more promo samplers.

    Other prizes I got from GAP/GSC over the years (never got a 1st place either, tho I did get the last GAP series points win) Night Rider trail rat, Polar Cs200, another wireless bike computer, Tifosi (and other) glasses, several multi-tools, several sets of grips, a couple track pumps, Manitou Jersey, countless tires (mostly Maxxis) and innertubes, vendor Tshirts, socks, gloves, shifters, levers, and much more. Even though most prizes were shop returns/demos (sometimes needing a bit of work to be usable) or other (cheap) promo stuff, it adds to the environment. There was always the post-podium prize swap, hanging out with the other racers exchanging stuff you won but didnt need for stuff the other guys got and didnt want, or just digging through prizes showing off what you won. If you missed out on making podium, seeing this made you want to race harder next time so you could be in on it. Ive been surprised and slightly disappointed in the lack of such stuff out here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mellowyellowCJ7
    Then no free pass for you! Ha
    Ok, I'm not fast enough to know about the Cat1/Pro stuff, but I hate seeing Cat 3 and Cat 2 that are 20 minutes in front of the pack. But then again, I was 10 minutes off the back of the Cat 2 pack, so I have my own problems and complaining about the podium is only in my dreams right now.
    The podium was only in my dreams four years ago at my first SOC. Finished in 3 hr 30 min that year, so a bit more than 10 minutes off the back. I am sure the podium could be within reach in a year or two for you. Maybe the prizes will be cooler in coming years.

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    I've been disappointed with the prizes the last 2 years that I've raced also. Last year I received a pair of 26" Kendas (can't remember which model) which were useless to me considering I have two 29ers. Kenda was great and swapped them out for me at their trailer.
    This year I received two Kenda El Mocos and forgot to ask Kenda to swap them for me.

    The thing that killed me this year was the delay and screw ups with the results. They completely missed me and the 2nd place rider over the line and it took them almost 2 hours after our protest to get it sorted out!

    A friend of mine was listed as 7th place in his category although it was clear that the top 2 guys had done the short course because they were 1:09 in Cat 3! The both receied their medals despite protests. The Sea Otter people eventually got the bottom of this and corrected the results but refuse to send a medal to my friend. I can't believe they don't have any extra medals and it would only cost a fed dollars to get a medal to him. Weak!!!!
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    I remember when I raced in the early 90s, the local series were always put on by an LBS and that there was an after-race thing at some restaurant/pub in town. Each night at the pub, there was a random draw for prizes (out of an 8 race series, only one night was my name not drawn, and I never got anything less than a water bottle) even though there was only a $5 entry fee. They usually handed out 15 to 20 prizes ranging from water bottles to free tires. Plus one bicycle per race and the first series I did was put on by a specialized dealer and the draw bike was a hardrock sport. Now given that most of the field were sport class riders and many were on bikes like hardrock price-levels... that was a pretty sweet prize especially where the pool of entrants in the draw was a mere 60 to 70 riders deep each race.

    To this day, I still have some of those prizes I received in that first series I did including one of the foldable tires sitting rolled up on my tire shelf, and a couple of the water bottles in my kitchen on the shelf i keep all my bottles.

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    I always liked the Amateur Cup prizes out here in SoCal.
    We all received mugs (beer steins) with the event logo and our place on it.
    (^That was 15+ years ago though)

    I understand it is very difficult to give out appropriate schwag to all the class podium finishers.

    Keep the schwag for the raffle, and make simple prizes for the podium folks.
    (Racers and Chasers uses old freewheel gears painted gold, silver or bronze with
    the appropriate color ribbon as prizes to the winners, cheap and neat!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by slcrockymountainrider
    Kind of an odd Thread, but I guess it does have some merit. Although it baffles me, I have a friend (a couple actually) who gets all butt hurt when the event doesn't offer a free t-shirt with a race entry fee. It has nothing to do with winning or getting on the podium.
    I think that in 4 years of mtb racing I've 'won' a couple pairs of Maxxis tire levers and a pair of Cannondale gloves that fit a child. I've also only received one free t-shirt with a race entry fee and it's red. I hate red t-shirts.

    What really irks me are the little medals they give out to those that podium and what irks me even more are the tiny USA Cycling medals given out for State Champion Series winners. I have 2 from two seperate years and they are exactly the same. Nothing etched on the back, just a simple, lame gold medal in the shape of the USA Cycling logo.

    When I used to race BMX back in the '80's my BMX class equiv to our CAT3 State Championship yielded a trophy that was half my height.

    Last winter I paid $40 for an ABA license and raced a handful of indoor, local BMX races again after a 20+ year hiatus. I paid $10 for a night of racing and walked away with a beautiful trophy. Not a tiny, plastic medal. One weekend the winners of each class, from beginners to open to pro paid $30 for a full day of racing, received triple points and 1st place in each class walked away with a 3ft tall trophy.

    I recall paying $60 for my USA Cycling CAT1 license this past year. I got a cardboard card and some junk mail. My printed, plastic $40 ABA license came with all the perks and insurance. Plus I receive a quarterly magazine complete with race reviews, articles and the current ranking by state AND nationally (for those who entered qualifying races) of every ABA card carrying member.

    Go figure.
    Last month the Single Track Stampede offered the best trophies....gold/silver/bronze small-cassette cogs that doubled as bottle openeres which I use to open my Sam Adams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpartyBiker
    Last month the Single Track Stampede offered the best trophies....gold/silver/bronze small-cassette cogs that doubled as bottle openeres which I use to open my Sam Adams.
    Same as the Racers and Chacers series out here, but we use them to open Arrogant Bastard Ale (its a west coast pride thing.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broke That
    Same as the Racers and Chacers series out here, but we use them to open Arrogant Bastard Ale (its a west coast pride thing.)
    Great selection for the modest!

    Try Dogfish Head 90 minute IPA when you get a chance. It's nicer than some Sam Adams flavours with 9.0 alcohol by volume....and doubles as an appetizer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpartyBiker
    Great selection for the modest!

    Try Dogfish Head 90 minute IPA when you get a chance. It's nicer than some Sam Adams flavours with 9.0 alcohol by volume....and doubles as an appetizer.
    My preference is Oaked Double Arrogant Bastard (14%) and it doubles as an anesthetic.
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    I love it when a local brewery brings out a couple post-race half barrels of its best brew, keep the trophies, I'll take a Dixie cup any day!

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    Not to sound like a thread crapping ******, BUT....

    I've been involved with pro racing for the better part of 7 years now, mostly Speed Channel touring car and GT stuff, as well as working on a board for a major race track facility here in the states. I have seen how much effort and organization goes into events like this on an auto racing level where you've got a mix of amateur "privateer" racers and pro racers in the same event. The difference is that with auto racing all of the guys racing are fairly wealthy typically and have no tolerance for screw-ups over race finishes or placements because they are investing so much of their time/money into their hobby.

    Its really easy to get this stuff right if people are paying attention, everyone entering the race has to pay a race fee, that money goes somewhere, and I'm sure that the organizers are turning a profit so basically they would have to make less money in order to better run it with more paid personnel or more management on the ground watching whats going on.

    Since they had the event at Laguna Seca facility I would assume that the event was held entirely on their property, which means they rented the facilities from the management organization, most nicer facilities like this go for about $25-40k for a 2 day event using the track at all. Also, most of the time either the track management or the organizers are able to get allot of "volunteers" to work for virtually nothing, maybe lunch and t-shirts, these people do it because they are racing fans and like having open access to the facility, feel like a high roller, and they get perks at other events later in the season for working, I used to do that myself and I hardly ever paid to get into a race after that

    The only way poor event management will change is if the participants rally together and complain to the right people about it or if there is a big drop in participants, as long as they are making money and people still turn out whats the reason to change anything.

    There seems to be allot of unhappy people that participated in the event due to poor management or crappy prizes for finishing. Let the magazines now, write letters into the editorial staff of your favorite biking rags, if one or two of them print anything, no matter how seemingly insignifigant, it'll ruffle someone's feathers and people will be held accountable somewhere.

    The track I used to work allot had some crappy teenagers "working" a Grand Am race several years ago, doing a piss poor job of corraling parking in the car club areas and after the event several regional car club newsletters had people *****ing about it and they changed the way they handled it at the track, that was all it took.
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    WOW! im shocked about all the negativity..with the soc prices.i thought mountainbiking was about the love of the ride/nature/comraderie/competition...

    I believe your right and that is what it's about. The problem is the promoters are seeing some $$$$. If the promoters thought it was about the same thing as you and most others they would organize these events for the cost + reimbursement for the event. I know this includes their time and it should be compensates, but most people at these events are volunteers. I guess my question is - are the promoters in it for the right reason?

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    Madsedan is right!

    Like a man named chuck-d and flava-flav once said

    " fight the power "

    I WIll write my favorite rag to complain, not sure how well it will go over since that is a major source of cash for them, but I will give it a shot.

    Until then i will just continue to not attend these events.

    I will now call him Madsedan-X.

    BTW Mad... what years did you do the speed TC? I was involved in 01 and 02 i think. The foo / cunningham years. When the integras were cool and mazdas were slow.

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    jimfab, I started working with a BMW team in 2005, worked with them up until about a year ago or so. I was around ti back when Foo was running the little civic hatchback and Cunningham was running that NSX.

    I sent a link of this thread on to a friend that does race promoing for a road course track and he said if something like this happened in the auto racing world there would be boycotts and threats of lawsuits from sponsors and participants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fuji1971
    WOW! im shocked about all the negativity..with the soc prices.i thought mountainbiking was about the love of the ride/nature/comraderie/competition...

    I believe your right and that is what it's about. The problem is the promoters are seeing some $$$$. If the promoters thought it was about the same thing as you and most others they would organize these events for the cost + reimbursement for the event. I know this includes their time and it should be compensates, but most people at these events are volunteers. I guess my question is - are the promoters in it for the right reason?

    I know my local race guys (Racers and Chacers) are in for the right reason. Our prices to race are very reasonable ($40) and we have very diverse places to race.
    No complaints from here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzo View Post
    My friend podium at Sea Otter last year and got a 29er 1.95 tire..

    WTF - this rider doesn't even have a 29er. Tried to GIVE me the tire because I have a 29er but - NO THANKS, I use 2.3


    SeaOtter----------- keep your prizes. REFUND entry fee.
    That's what he gets for sandbagging! YEah, WHAZZZUUUUUP!

    Just kidding!

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