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    Spark RC 2017

    The Spark thread is getting pretty diluted due to all the different models (plus, long travel, 650b) that don't have anything to do with the XC race bike. I'll recieve my RC SL frameset in May but until then I'd like to see how people are liking them, suspension notes, and builds.

    My plan is Extralight/LB/CX-Ray wheels at 1200(ish)g
    XX1 drivetrain (maybe using my XX1 crank, maybe buying a Next SL)
    XTR Race brakes with Formula rotors
    9point8 5" seatpost

    On my last Scott I ran a normal fork damper adjuster in place of the remote but this time I might try the fork remote first. I want to run 9point8's under-bar remote so I guess my best option is to use a 2012 Scott Twinlock above-bar remote for the suspension.
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    I responded to your RC quest in other thread. I'll do it here as well. On your quest did you talk to SCOTT USA or just retailers? I assume you're based here. So you've been told that It'll be MAY? Is that for a bike or a frame set? I was was thinking a SCOTT may be in my future, but, maybe not.


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    I talked to my contact at Scott USA. He said all 2017 Spark RC bikes and framesets in size XL are spoken for and didn't know when 2018s would be available. He suggested checking LBSs for inventory which seems like a long, random, goose chase. I asked my local Scott dealer if they could procure one from another dealer but never heard back. Someone on Weighweenies suggested checking R2-Bike.com (Germany) which I did. They have 2 XL SL framsets coming to them in May and one now has my name on it in exchange for an ungodly amount of Euros. They may have other sizes and also advertise the WC frameset for €1000 less. No complete bikes though.
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    That's crazy?! SCOTT really screwed the pooch I guess. I suppose I'll be waiting for an 18. Perhaps they'll move production up? Thanks for the info.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jbrownmxr View Post
    That's crazy?! SCOTT really screwed the pooch I guess. I suppose I'll be waiting for an 18. Perhaps they'll move production up? Thanks for the info.


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    Yeah, I know the feeling of wanting the right but bike only to find it's sold out. Scott produces a certain amount due to anticipated and predicted demand. They are on the rise here in the US but not nearly as much as Specialized, Trek, Giant etc etc. They are huge over seas but not here which is why they produce a limited amount so that they don't lose profit in the long run.

    Unfortunately, this means for those who want the high end Scott bikes need to buy quickly which equates to no good deals or sales. Unless you're super lucky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt View Post
    I talked to my contact at Scott USA. He said all 2017 Spark RC bikes and framesets in size XL are spoken for and didn't know when 2018s would be available. He suggested checking LBSs for inventory which seems like a long, random, goose chase. I asked my local Scott dealer if they could procure one from another dealer but never heard back. Someone on Weighweenies suggested checking R2-Bike.com (Germany) which I did. They have 2 XL SL framsets coming to them in May and one now has my name on it in exchange for an ungodly amount of Euros. They may have other sizes and also advertise the WC frameset for €1000 less. No complete bikes though.
    Start calling large Scott dealers within day-trip range. Find a bike. Take a mini-vacation. Turn it into an adventure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiquidSpin View Post
    Yeah, I know the feeling of wanting the right but bike only to find it's sold out. Scott produces a certain amount due to anticipated and predicted demand. They are on the rise here in the US but not nearly as much as Specialized, Trek, Giant etc etc. They are huge over seas but not here which is why they produce a limited amount so that they don't lose profit in the long run.

    Unfortunately, this means for those who want the high end Scott bikes need to buy quickly which equates to no good deals or sales. Unless you're super lucky.
    Buying in the first month of the year should mean "buy quickly". It's a screw up when 2017 bikes aren't available for even a single day of 2017.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plusforever View Post
    Start calling large Scott dealers within day-trip range. Find a bike. Take a mini-vacation. Turn it into an adventure.
    Hahaha, day trip range. I live in Hawaii during winter. There's one hour drives and 6 hours flights, nothing in between. I already paid for a frame that'll be delivered in May.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt View Post
    Hahaha, day trip range. I live in Hawaii during winter. There's one hour drives and 6 hours flights, nothing in between. I already paid for a frame that'll be delivered in May.
    I give you credit for making it happen, I really do. So many people act so helpless in these situations.

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    Well, having $5500 burning a hole in your wallet lets you be a little less helpless. I'm less a hero and more a guy who just sold his collectible sports car.
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    Just a word of caution to those ordering Spark RC`s, I`m just over 6ft and found the Large RC 900 sized up a little on the small side...

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    I have an RC SL frameset on order from a Scott dealer since last week of December. Original estimate for delivery was April, but has since changed to May so I guess they will all be delivered around that time (if no more delays).

    Most of the parts will move on from my current bike (XX1, Next SL, XTR Race brakes), just have the Boost wheels to spec/build while waiting. Settled on Duke Lucky Jack rims, but not sure yet whether to go for fancy hubs like Extralite or Carbon-Ti (can't find decent specs/reviews on these) or just stick to good old 240s.

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    Any word on delivery of the frame sets? My dealer still seems to think the end of the month.

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    I had an X-large SL framset on order for a May delivery but R2-Bike now says they can't get an XL. So if someone wants a small or medium SL frame they should have one more frame alotted to them. I think there's one small run of SLs all being delivered in May and that's it. I'm waiting to hear from Scott about the 2018s.
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    Wait?! Lelandjt...you lost your frame? How'd that happen? Did they not secure it?

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    They said they had 2 frames coming to them but just emailed that they can't get an XL. I was tempted to ask if the WC framset they show is available in XL but I think I'll just wait for a SL.
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    I'm dissappointed with Scott and the production of the high end models. All the Spark RC's and Spark 900's in full carbon are sold out for the year since 2017 started. Even the frames are all sold out. I'm very let down and I don't feel like waiting for the 2018's. Maybe I should just spend my money somewhere else...

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    Spark RC 2017

    I think a lot of people are disappointed who are looking for RC level bikes and frame sets. I suspect the fact the Nino and Jenny both won Gold may have played a part in these selling out quickly. I've been told Scott is ramping up for 2018 but have no proof of this other than conversations with Scott. Reality is they have to order these frames to be built well in advance and it's not a simple matter of them ordering more. I hope you guys get your bikes and or frame sets. I'm envious as I too would like a 2017 RC 900 in size large. 6k is a lot for a frame and too rich for my blood at this time.


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    To satisfy my curiosity I called SCOTT USA yesterday and they said the frames had been shipped on the 16th. So if any body gets one in the next few days let's hear about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hefeweizan View Post
    I'm dissappointed with Scott and the production of the high end models. All the Spark RC's and Spark 900's in full carbon are sold out for the year since 2017 started. Even the frames are all sold out. I'm very let down and I don't feel like waiting for the 2018's. Maybe I should just spend my money somewhere else...
    Why would you be disappointed in Scott for selling out of their high end model bikes?

    It's kinda like someone being disappointed in you for not buying one soon enough.

    Look, Scott is a business that tries to make money and not lose as much money as they possibly can. They are not the most popular bike company here in the US. Although they are becoming more and more popular with each passing year.

    Just like all the other bike brands they produce a limited amount of high end bikes because they know that if they produce more than what the real market demands they will have to cut prices and lose profit. When it comes to elite level products there's only a handful of customers out there. The vast majority of sales comes from entry level to mid range bikes that are more attainable to the broader audience.

    So it's not Scott's fault. Nor is any company at fault for being "sold out" of something they make. Just food for thought.
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    I totally get what you are saying but when you have been sold out since November and the next model doesn't come out until August, they are losing money. People are just going to look elsewhere. Good for them on selling out bc they met their goal but someone need to do a better job forecasting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hefeweizan View Post
    I totally get what you are saying but when you have been sold out since November and the next model doesn't come out until August, they are losing money. People are just going to look elsewhere. Good for them on selling out bc they met their goal but someone need to do a better job forecasting.
    True, but they won't lose out for too long because once the 2018 models start rolling out later this year that's when the media starts to cover all of the new models and that's also usually when people are quick to buy the top end models.

    I know exactly how you feel, don't get me wrong. I wanted the 700 tuned model but was told they had sold out the first quarter of the year. I felt devastated and asked if they would be producing more later. They told me that they wouldn't because they are now focusing on building next year's model.

    With the increase in demand maybe 2018 they will start to carry more but trust me they go by market demand and statistics before they decide on how many to produce. Better to be sold out then to lose profit at least that's what a business person will tell you.
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    Also I'd like to add, if I may my advice:

    Hold out for the 2018 models. They will have upgraded components here and there. Since you know they sell out quickly ask your favorite LBS dealer to preorder one as soon as they become available. They can always call Scott to request one too.

    I'm sure you have a bike now so why not wait a few months more to get the bike you really want? Unless your current Mtb bike is broken. Don't regret and good things DO come to those who wait.

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    The point a few of us were trying to make is Scott laid out big marketing dollars for the new Spark and the RC specifically. The marketing department must be bummed that after sponsoring the dominant male and female racers, taking out ads in the magazines, and flying media to Switzerland for a launch the people in charge of produ tion either didn't have confidence in their ability to sell many bikes or couldn't produce many bikes. And I mean very many bikes at all. After my worldwide search I'd guess they made less than 100 XL SLs since I couldn't find a shop or online dealer that could get one, spoken for or not (bike or frameset).
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    I feel your pain, and it's frustrating to not be able to get what you want. Having owned a bike shop in a previous life, and been one of the first US Scott dealers when they re-entered the market in the States, here's a bit of "inside baseball:"

    - the dealers have to commit orders, or at least are strongly advised to do so, irrespective of brand, in July / August of the previous year. First in, first served. That way, the MFRs get a ballpark guesstimate of how much they need to commit to for frames and build kits, and be able to deliver in a timely fashion;

    - the number of enthusiasts like us that want top-shelf product are in the minority, so they naturally produce fewer of these. This is rarefied air. And sizes, like people, typically follow a bell curve distribution ( I'm an XL myself, road and MTB ) ;

    - you don't want a bunch of leftover new old stock that you need to sell at a loss at the end of a model year. When the economy tanked a few years ago, it took a lot of shops out of business, which also affected the MFRs;

    - pretty sure that the double Gold medals in the Rio Olympics happened after most dealers had made commitments. But having too much demand and not enough supply, to the MFRs, is a good problem to have.

    Still, it sucks...I totally get that. Maybe a shop that had a commitment to a frame or bike will fall through and become available. It happens, and MFRs know who got what, and whether it's been sold or not. At least they should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt View Post
    The point a few of us were trying to make is Scott laid out big marketing dollars for the new Spark and the RC specifically. The marketing department must be bummed that after sponsoring the dominant male and female racers, taking out ads in the magazines, and flying media to Switzerland for a launch the people in charge of produ tion either didn't have confidence in their ability to sell many bikes or couldn't produce many bikes. And I mean very many bikes at all. After my worldwide search I'd guess they made less than 100 XL SLs since I couldn't find a shop or online dealer that could get one, spoken for or not (bike or frameset).
    Looks like a shop in Vermont has 900rc's in stock (M & XL only I think). Ad on PB

    https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/2140399/

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    twin loc

    Anybody ditch the twin loc cable set up and go with the Rock Shock hydraulic loc? I had one on my 2012 29 world cup xx fork and loved it. Cable set up is a pain in the xxx. Do not know if Rock Shock has a three position hydraulic loc out. Since Nino is Sram sponsored now is there one out there? Can the Fox's be retro fitted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by splitendz View Post
    Looks like a shop in Vermont has 900rc's in stock (M & XL only I think). Ad on PB

    https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/2140399/
    Good find! I had my heart set on the SL (weight and color) but I'll think about this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by splitendz View Post
    Looks like a shop in Vermont has 900rc's in stock (M & XL only I think). Ad on PB

    https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/2140399/
    A big thank you again! I talked to the shop and now have an XL Pro on its way to me (I'll swap all the parts out). They said that Scott didn't make any XL SLs this year. That extra 100g is gonna bug me but it seems the SL is just a vaporware tease. No XLs, and only a handful of the smaller sizes were made. When Nino and Kabush don't even get one it seems more like a press release bike than an actual model.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt View Post
    A big thank you again! I talked to the shop and now have an XL Pro on its way to me (I'll swap all the parts out). They said that Scott didn't make any XL SLs this year. That extra 100g is gonna bug me but it seems the SL is just a vaporware tease. No XLs, and only a handful of the smaller sizes were made. When Nino and Kabush don't even get one it seems more like a press release bike than an actual model.
    Hey glad to help. Congrats on the Pro ! Curious.. what parts you swapping out ? What weight are you shooting for ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt View Post
    A big thank you again! I talked to the shop and now have an XL Pro on its way to me (I'll swap all the parts out). They said that Scott didn't make any XL SLs this year. That extra 100g is gonna bug me but it seems the SL is just a vaporware tease. No XLs, and only a handful of the smaller sizes were made. When Nino and Kabush don't even get one it seems more like a press release bike than an actual model.
    Kabush does have an SL now in XL size. He is probably one of the only ones though, Nino being on a M

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    Quote Originally Posted by splitendz View Post
    What parts you swapping out ? What weight are you shooting for ?
    I'm swapping out everything except the headset and maybe seatpost clamp and rear axle. My 5010 is 23.5lbs with its XC tires so this needs to be at least a pound lighter to make me happy but it should probably be just over 20 with its "easy course" tires.

    32 Factory fork with non-remote damper
    Carbon-Ti/Light Bicycle/CX-Ray wheels
    XX1 derailleur/shifter/cassette (not Eagle) KMC X11sl chain
    Next SL G4 or XX1 Eagle crankset (not sure how I feel about the Raceface BB for 30mm spindle in BB92)
    XTR Race brakes, Formula 160mm rotors
    soon-to-be-released ultralight 5" dropper post
    Selle Italia SLR saddle
    Xpedo 8Ti pedals
    Ritchey WCS stem
    probably Next SL handlebar
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    all steel bolts swapped out to Ti or Al
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt View Post
    I'm swapping out everything except the headset and maybe seatpost clamp and rear axle. My 5010 is 23.5lbs with its XC tires so this needs to be at least a pound lighter to make me happy but it should probably be just over 20 with its "easy course" tires.

    32 Factory fork with non-remote damper
    Carbon-Ti/Light Bicycle/CX-Ray wheels
    XX1 derailleur/shifter/cassette (not Eagle) KMC X11sl chain
    Next SL G4 or XX1 Eagle crankset (not sure how I feel about the Raceface BB for 30mm spindle in BB92)
    XTR Race brakes, Formula 160mm rotors
    soon-to-be-released ultralight 5" dropper post
    Selle Italia SLR saddle
    Xpedo 8Ti pedals
    Ritchey WCS stem
    probably Next SL handlebar
    ESI grips
    all steel bolts swapped out to Ti or Al
    Sounds nice ! Post some pics here if you get a chance.

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    Spark RC 2017-img_5837.jpg

    My build:

    RC 900SL in XL- got very lucky
    Eagle XX1
    XTR breaks
    Enve M60 Waiting on black stickers
    Continental Mezcal tires
    Chris King hubs
    Enve bars
    Fabric seat


    23 ish lbs

    So far Ergos: holy shit I was cramped on my large 14 epic s-works.

    Geo: more slack. Definitely more confidence inspiring fast downhill. A bit of oversteer-might be able to tune it out with suspension. Not nearly as sharp steering as epic. That's good and bad.

    Suspension: holy shit balls. Waaay more plush. I didn't realize how much the brain stuff rattles and beats you up. The three position deal is slick. When it's locked it's locked.

    So far I'm very pleased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbrownmxr View Post
    So far Ergos: holy shit I was cramped on my large 14 epic s-works.
    How tall are you?

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    6'1 ish? Honestly not sure. Long legged though with 33-34 inseam. I made the L Epic work, but had the post maxed out to do it. Also had to run a longer stem.

    I feel like I'm on the bubble between sizes. The XL feels more comfortable, but, perhaps a bit less racy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbrownmxr View Post
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    My build:

    RC 900SL in XL- got very lucky
    Eagle XX1
    XTR breaks
    Enve M60 Waiting on black stickers
    Continental Mezcal tires
    Chris King hubs
    Enve bars
    Fabric seat


    23 ish lbs

    So far Ergos: holy shit I was cramped on my large 14 epic s-works.

    Geo: more slack. Definitely more confidence inspiring fast downhill. A bit of oversteer-might be able to tune it out with suspension. Not nearly as sharp steering as epic. That's good and bad.

    Suspension: holy shit balls. Waaay more plush. I didn't realize how much the brain stuff rattles and beats you up. The three position deal is slick. When it's locked it's locked.

    So far I'm very pleased.
    When did you order it and frameset or complete bike? Are you using the 70mm stem it came with?
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    I ordered in December....right after bikes were "sold out." I'm sticking with the OEM stem.

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    Spark RC 2017-img_5876.jpg

    Blacked out wheels. Looks better...in my opinion anyway.

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    Spark RC 2017-img_3783.jpg

    Finally got mine. Spark RC 900 Pro, size large

    Only using the frame, fork, headset.

    All XX1 Eagle, except the black cassette and chain
    Bontrager XXX kovee wheels
    Enve big sweep bar
    SRAM level ultimate brakes, centerlock rotors
    KS lev CI dropper with wolftooth lever
    Swapped the stock twin-loc lever for the "on top of the bar" version
    WTB volt (150mm, ti rails)
    Maxxis Ikon EXO 2.2 in the rear
    Schwalbe Rocket Ron EVO 2.25
    Swapped the stem for a 70mm version (I'm 5' 10")
    ESI racer grips
    XTR pedals
    Fox Kabolt : )

    22.6lbs!

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    A fox rep told me he guesses the fork that comes on the WC & Pro bikes is about a half pound heavier than a Factory 32sc. Does that sound about right? Steerer, crown, uppers (cheaper alloy), and damper (Grip vs Fit4) are different. I'm planning to swap mine for a Factory 32sc with non-remote Fit4 damper.
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    I've no idea on weight. I would imagine the fox websit would have all that data. I did handle them prior to build and they were very light. I think lighter than the carbon crown SID forks on my epic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt View Post
    A fox rep told me he guesses the fork that comes on the WC & Pro bikes is about a half pound heavier than a Factory 32sc. Does that sound about right? Steerer, crown, uppers (cheaper alloy), and damper (Grip vs Fit4) are different. I'm planning to swap mine for a Factory 32sc with non-remote Fit4 damper.
    The fork on my pro came with a fit 4 damper. My understanding is that it's the same fork, minus the kashima coating. I actually ordered a new damper before receiving the bike, thinking that I'd swap it out. So, if anybody needs a fit4 damper for a 32sc, I've got one.

    Spark RC 2017-img_0042.jpg

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    Hmm, confusing. Scott's website says it's the Performance model. The only way to know would be to call Fox with your serial number and find out what you have. It would be great if this is a Factory fork minus Kashima cuz all I'd have to do is swap out the top cap to ditch the remote. I'll hold off on ordering a new fork until I have my bike and can verify what it came with.
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    that's how the seatpost is. it's just the kashima coating between the factory and the performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by packfill View Post
    that's how the seatpost is. it's just the kashima coating between the factory and the performance.
    But with the forks the difference is also the damper and the type of alloy used in the upper assembly. This from the Fox website and confirmed via phone. What we're lookng at on the WC and Pro is some sort of OEM only combination. We know it has the damper of the Factory and the stantion finish of the Performance but the heavier or lighter uppers?
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    On RC Pro the fork is Performance, on RC WC is Performance Elite.
    Performance Elite is factory without kashima.

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    Where is that on the fox website? i can't seem to find it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by packfill View Post
    Where is that on the fox website? i can't seem to find it.
    Details on the Performance's damper and stantion coating are on the website. Nothing is up on the Performance Elite yet. A phone call to Fox got me the info on the different material and weight difference in the Performance's steerer/crown/uppers.

    When my bike arrives I'll call Fox with the serial number to find out which upper I have. Did your fork come with the hex axle or QR?
    Keep the Country country.

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