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    Scott Genius LT 30 -- Here!

    I picked up my new bike this week, but my ride this morning was rained out. I'm hoping tomorrow I'll get a chance to ride. Until then, I can't offer any review, other than to say that I am as excited as a kid getting his first bike. This is the first mountain bike I have purchased in almost 20 years.

    I ride a road bike regularly, but I live within a very short ride of the Santa Monica mountains, and I have been growing jealous of all the mountain bike riders I see riding up the hill near my house, so I decided to join them!

    I'll admit that I picked the Genius LT almost entirely based on marketing hype. My local bike shop (literally a 10 minute ride away) sells almost exclusively Scott, and I like my local bike shop a lot. I read and watched everything I could about the Genius LT. I only had a chance to ride it in the parking lot, but I really liked they way it fit me, and felt to me. I test rode probably 10 other bikes over the course of a couple of months.

    I can't wait to go out and ride this bike! Until then, I took a bunch of pics today that I thought I would share. It is entirely stock, except that I traded out he Fat Albert tires it comes with for slightly smaller Nobby Nics.

    See you on the trails!

    CaliforniaJed

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    Sorry, Pics Here!

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    Looks good. You're making me jealous!

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    Don't be! You're gonna have pics of your own to post soon!

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    Got to take it out for a ride today!

    Wow, what a blast. I only had a couple of hours to ride, and it was literally the first time I have ridden anything but a road bike in 20 years.

    I wish I could compare this to other bikes for you, but I can't. This was the first time I have had the pleasure to ride a full-suspension bike in the dirt. I couldn't wipe the smile from my face.
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    Jed you are a lucky boy....
    I have just bought the LT 20 and I can't keep the smile off my face!
    I have just come of a Giant trance X0 -another beautiful bike
    What I am most impressed about is how well the LT climbs (that it is a great descender is a no brainer!!)
    I was going into it for the plush travel on the downs etc(had a reign before the trance) ,but I was worried that it might be 'too much bike' on the climbs.Well I can honestly say that any anxiety I had has been laid to rest.
    To anyone who is feeling that they may like the extra travel over the standard genius,but is worried about how the bike pedals all I can say is go for it!
    You won't win any marathon races but you will keep up with the crew on regular trail rides
    Hope to see more posts as they make there way out there -will be interested in other riders impressions
    I'm in Australia by the way ..
    Happy riding Jed

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    Toady, sounds like you're the lucky one with a LT 20! Congrats on that. I can echo what you've said about climbing on this bike. I was worried it was maybe too heavy for me, but I really enjoyed the twinlock, and even for a sloooow guy like me, this bike moves pretty quick up and down.

    How about some pics, Toady?

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    It looks way too clean to have been out on the trails!! Did you wipe it down before taking the shots??

    Those look like some sweet hills to ride on, more than I'm likely to find in DFW!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BritOnTour
    It looks way too clean to have been out on the trails!! Did you wipe it down before taking the shots??
    That's Scott's new "CleanLock"! It wipes itself down!

    No, I didn't get too dirty. It was surprisingly dry up there even after two days of rain. I avoided the mud a couple of times, mostly because i was by myself and not familiar with the trail.
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    Hey,

    Do you think you can get a weight on that bad boy? Just curious...

    Thanks!

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    Mike, I'll try. Earliest I can do it will be next week, though. I think the Scott site lists it at 31.5, and I think that's without pedals.

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    Sounds good, thanks! I am just curious how accurate Scott was/is in that weight. I am considering an LT to become my do everything bike, from enduro stuff up to North Vancouver and the occasional park day.

    I currently have a Spark 35, and a Voltage FR, but am finding less and less that I need two distinctly different bikes, as my riding style is changing to one more conservative and more generally strictly trail riding with the occasional endurance/marathon race.

    I have some tubeless wheels and stuff that I would spec on to it, to lighten it up a bit.

    I am curious if the 5 or 6 lbs extra beef it has over my Spark (which comes in around 27 lbs with pedals) is something that will be overly inhibiting for the marathon stuff. I am also considering having a Revelation to spec on to the bike for those events (and keeping the Lyrik for the everything else....).

    How do you find it's small bump sensitivity? That's the main "issue" people seem to have with it, but alot of that seems to be theoretical based off their experiences with the equalizer 2 on the regular Genius and little to no experience with the Equalizer 3 on the LT. The 3 seems to be a SIGNIFICANT improvement over the 2, but I am curious if that improvement translates into better small bump stuff (which our trails in the Interior of BC have ALOT of) when compared to the Equalizer 2, which seemed to lack convincing small bump performance.

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmike9699
    How do you find it's small bump sensitivity? That's the main "issue" people seem to have with it, but alot of that seems to be theoretical based off their experiences with the equalizer 2 on the regular Genius and little to no experience with the Equalizer 3 on the LT.
    Mike, I wish I could give you an answer, but I never rode a Genius with an Equalizer 2 for comparison (other than in a parking lot), I have only taken the LT out once, and I am still getting it dialed in. My ride last weekend was on really rutted trails, and I tried to take the downhills as aggressively as I could, noting I am in my 40s and just back to MTB riding after a 20 year hiatus. I was really impressed with the handling of the small stuff, and of course with the bigger stuff, but you have to take my conclusions with a grain of salt, given my re-noob status.

    I have ridden a Spark 35, and this bike definitetly feels much bigger, but to me it handles as responsively, if that makes sense, particularly with the twinlock capability.

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    My rebound dials were way off. I had to turn them all the way in, remove the dials, and re-install them so "1" was on the line when they are all the way in. I've been running them out at 8 or 9. I'm also running 10psi less negative air pressure than recommended. I've been happy so far with the performance of the rear shock (small bump, control, big hit) but have more testing to do.

    In the pics I see you have it in the "low" position. I really like the handling there and will keep it in "low" for most riding but you should try "high" for the heck of it. The climbing position is better and pedal clearance is better if you have techy climbs with rocks and steps.

    These bikes deserve a double ring with guide setup considering the kind of riding they're capable of. I recommend 26T and 36T rings with an E13 DRS. However, the red guide plate Scott includes for triple ring use is a good design.

    I see you have both spacers below the stem. I tried both, one, and none and preferred the feel with one. I'm 6'2", have a large frame, and a 40mm rise bar. Your bar looks flatter so maybe we're at the same height but play with the spacers to see what you like.

    Here's my bike, built up from an LT10 frame. 29.4lbs with very heavy tires:
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    That bike looks great!

    Thanks for the suggestions. I've got lots to learn. Mine was set up in the low position when I got it. I'll eventually try it in high, but at this point that's not a priority. I am not ready to do anything technical enough yet that I need more clearance! (But give me time!)

    I definitely have some dialing in to do. I rode today and I was getting some bob on the climbs. I'm not sure if that's a function of pressure or rebound adjustment? I'll have to hit the books (and the trail) to figure that out. All in all, though, I had a great day on the bike. I really do have to be careful not to over-ride my skills on the downhills. I just have a ton of confidence on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliforniaJed
    I was getting some bob on the climbs. I'm not sure if that's a function of pressure or rebound adjustment?
    Mostly that's just a function of rear suspension. Rebound should be set so the rear end comes back slow enough to not buck you but not so slow that it packs down on multiple hits and can't be hopped. Unless the spring rate and compression damping are really stiff you'll get some bob. It will be less in the shorter travel mode than long travel cuz switching that increases the spring rate. On smooth climbs use lock-out* and on bumpy climbs use short travel. Dropping the fork to short travel on climbs will take weight off the rear and make it bob less. The reason I run 10psi less pressure in the negative chamber than recommended is to reduce sag and bobbing a little.

    *You may want to remove the cable from the fork so you can lock the rear while keeping the fork active.
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    Lelandjt or CaliforniaJed, are either of you able to measure your BB height of bike with the fork in the lowered (140mm??) position? On the website, its 14.1/14.4, I assume with the fork in the full travel mode, just curious how low it goes.

    I am a stone's throw away from pulling the trigger on one, just trying to make sure it's the right choice (geometry wise).

    Thanks guys, I appreciate your help.

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    With the rear end in "low", 2.5" WTB Prowler MX tires, and the TALAS fork in 180: 13.5" BB
    With the fork in 140: 13.0" BB

    With the rear end in "high" and the fork in 180: 14" BB
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    Awesome, thanks so much!

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    Fwoar ... they're a nice lookin rig that's for sure. Would almost tempt me back to riding Scott again I must say. The Alloy looks considerably tougher than my old original Genius MC - wish they'd been as liberal with tube diameters and strengthening in general back then.

    Hope you enjoy the heck out of it.

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    I measure 12.5 inches with the rear end in low and the fork in 140, but I guess I lost a little when I switched from the Fat Alberts to the Nobby Nics.

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    Am I admitting how old I am if I acknowledge that I had to look up "fwoar"?! Thanks. I have been having a blast on it!

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    Scott Genius LT 30

    Hi,
    I've been looking at purchasing a Scott Genius LT 30 2011. Reading this forum it appears everyone is very happy with this bike and Scott bikes in general. I am open minded to any brand. I have never owned a dually before. I have also been looking at a Giant Reign O. The Reign is a good 3kg lighter than the Genius. Also Giant use the Maestro system which is great for peddlable power. How does the Scott rear suspension design compare?
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    Reign vs Genius LT
    I was cross shopping the Reign X because it has similar geometry and travel to the Genius LT. The standard Reign has less travel in the rear, accepts a shorter fork, and has a steeper headtube angle. It won't be quite as DH capable.

    The carbon Genius LT frame is 2/3lb lighter than the Reign X so the aluminum is probably close to the same weight as the Reign. Components are the source of the weight difference and I think you're overstating it by at least a kg.

    Suspension
    Giant's design does a good job of resisting pedal bob and lets you use any shock, even custom tuned ones. It will make you happy when riding trails worthy of 6" of travel and using a ProPedal type switch will make it reasonable on smoother trails. When combined with a 160mm fork it will not let you hang it out on DH like the Genius LT will with a 180mm fork.
    Scott's design has a good pivot placement and I don't notice bad pedaling or braking traits. The multiple travel modes work well to adjust the sag to the type of riding you're doing and lock-out is nice for smooth sections. This shock let's a 7" essentially DH bike do a great job as a trail bike. The downside is you can't custom tune it or swap for different shocks. The tuning will probably be good for most riders though fast riders will wish for more LSC.
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    good looking bikes

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    I had to warranty my shock. It wasn't topping out all the way. 1cm of shaft was showing and it felt weird. It's been fine since the rebuild though.
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    how is the genius lt 30/40 compare with the specialized enduro comp?

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    ^More travel at each end. Handles full on DH and freeride better. Still climbs just as well because of the adjustable travel and geo.
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    I've read some review about the enduro having some flex on the rear end.
    does the Genius LT suffers with this problem too?

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    Pretty stiff in back.
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    Rear Shock ?

    I Just got a Genius LT 40 a couple weeks ago, and I notice that when riding the rear shock makes a squeaking noise. Reminds me almost like I have a mouse riding along with me. Does this happen with anyone else's?

    Other than that still trying to get things dialed in.

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    ^This just started happening with my shock. Usually this is a sign of air in the oil. However, it doesn't feel any different. I'll have it rebuilt at the end of the year. DT USA is quick to offer a warranty rebuild so give them a call if you can go without the shock for 10 days.
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    What about the rear shock and muddy rides? I mean the shock is right in front of the rear tire, it must be pretty easy to accumulate mud in that area right??

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    It's got a mud flap to keep the seal clean.
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    I haven't had too many issues with mud and the rear shock, no worse than any other bike I've had.

    Anyone have an ideal setup that they love? I'm still playing around with air pressure and some other things. I weigh about 235 with shoes and camelback, and I have my positive set at about 370, and the negative at 260. I try to keep the sag between 20 and 25%. Just wondering if anyone else has any other ideas on how to run it.

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    In the long travel setting the sag should be 25-30%. I've played with the relationship between positive and negative pressures and decided that the recommendations are pretty close. For trail riding I use their recommendation for my weight but with 5psi less in the negative chamber. When hitting jumps, the minimal LSC means I have to use the recommendations for the next weight up to prevent excessive bottoming.
    The rebound dials come from the factory in weird positions but you can turn them all the way in, remove the dials, and re-install them so "1" is on the line. This makes it easier to keep them synced and adjustments are more intuitive.
    Today I had to climb 3000ft, descend 1000, climb 1000, then descend 3000ft. I put it in the "high" setting and appreciated the position on the climb but on the first descent I definitely didn't like it. At the top of the final descent I put it back in the "low" setting and enjoyed some epicness.

    P.S. I just saw that for 2012 Scott is following my lead and speccing a Fox 36 (though skimping on the Kashima, and replacing the RC2 cart with a lockout) and a chain guide:
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    Genius LT30 size

    Great looking bikes! I'm really keen on purchasing an LT30 however I'm uncertain in regard to what size would be best for me. I'm 6 foot 2, which would usually dictate a large, however I'm concerned it might be too boat-like to throw around on a downhill run, would this be true? any suggestions?

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    I'm 6'2" and very comfortable on a large. I even use it for dirtjumping at a BMX spot with very steep lips. Plenty flickable.
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    i want this bike, but i feel i need a xl size. but i am also 6'2. my ransom fits me well and it is an xl. is there that much of a size difference between the genius lt and the ransom?

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    I guess if your priorities are for a super stable feel on steeps and a stretched out position on climbs it could use another. 5"-1" of top tube. I'm happy with the fit since I use it as a freeride bike and I like the balance of length and flickability. As for seattube length, you'll need the longer Reverb post to get full saddle height. Mine's only about a cm from minimum insertion.
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    I love the multi hour epics, and i had a frame that was too small one time. Basically made my shoulders hurt. IF i was hucking alot i could see the smaller frame, but i just love bombing remote singletrack.

    thanks
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    Thought i would add my experience with Genius LT 30. I have been checking out this thread for a awhile. Bought my Genius LT 30 the bike from LBS at the end of September this year. Rear shock has been warrantied 4 times since then
    Owned the bike for 10 weeks, Within those 10 weeks rear shock has been off the bike for servicing under warranty for 7 weeks.Bike has been ridden for a total of less than 10 hours.
    Rear shock will be back to the service agent again under warranty again next week with air in the oil, oil in both air chambers and the shaft not fully retracting So far i have been really disppointed.
    I believe the bike is great otherwise, handles well, great going up or downhill, and the ability to adjust the bike for different riding conditions and track types is awesome. Just wish Scott and service agent here in Aus could get there act together and fix the shock properly. I am starting to see a pattern of failure in this shock and given the other posts in this thread believe there maybe a design issue with the seals. Very frustrated at the moment.

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    Does DT have an office in Aus? You might have better luck going straight to DT. After 15 hours my shock wouldn't fully retract. I sent it to DT USA and they rebuilt it under warranty. 7 months later it still feels fine.
    Keep the Country country.

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    The DT Swiss service agent is in Sydney which has been servicing my shock each time. My LBS sends it there each time and on Monday the shock is going back there again. So it has definitely been done by the authorised service centre for DT swiss. And each time it goes it at least a couple of weeks before it comes back.

    The funny thing about all of this is that the distributor of Scott bike here in Aus sent me a shock off a demo bike as a temporary replacement when mine failed the first time, which was nice, except that the the, temporary replacement one had the same problem as mine, which was a bit embarrassing for them. I didn't even get to take my bike out of the LBS, as i refused to take it with the temporary replacement fitted, given it was faulty too.

    The distributor has sent their demo bike shock to the DT Swiss service agent for repair as well, and they are then going to loan the shock to me again, but at the moment i don't have lot of faith

    My LBS asked the Aus warranty manager about any other examples in Aus of problems with the rear shock and apparently i am the only one having issues with my rear shock out of all the genius's sold in Aus, which i find hard to believe.

    So at the moment the distributor here in Aus still does not want to admit there is a problem despite the issues i have had, the experiences of others on this forum, and the fact that their own demo bike had the same issue.

    I really don't want to have to send the shock to the USA for servicing.

    Anyway resigned myself to that fact that i won't have bike back before Christmas....maybe i will have to ask Santa for a new one

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    Has anyone tried to service an equaliser 3 shock? or have access to the DT service manual. I now have two shocks (mine and the one provided by the dealer while mine is being serviced) with the same problem, oil leaking into the air chambers, and i an not getting anything out of the DT swiss service agent here in Aus. i want to know if i can get upgraded seals for the pistons an change the oil weight to a heavier oil but the service agent won't give me any information.

    Anyone have any ideas as i am about to give up on Scott Bikes and go an buy something else, which is a putty as i like riding the LT when the rear shocks work

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    Ugh, such a nice bike, but plagued with the same problem that all proprietary shocks are plagued with.

    Too bad. Good luck with the resolution.

    And fwiw, as for spec'ing a Fox over the Lyrik, another mistake is being made!

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    Its just such a disappointment. I am really trying to like this bike, but given the issues and the fact that every 4 weeks or less sometimes the shock needs to be serviced is just such a hassle. Having only owning the bike since September 2011 I have decided to buy a different bike, and trade the Scott in on something else, maybe a Pivot firebird. Just something with a fox rear shock i know i can get serviced anywhere.

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    Well guys just got my L T and my first ride ,all I can say great bike I am very impress ,great climber very smooth suspension , I used to ride the genius for the last year and a half and this bike is a way better.

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    Sick bike man!!!!!!

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    New question here. 2012 Genius LT range, 20 vs. 30

    Hello all

    New user here. Sorry to piggyback on an older thread; I tried to create a new thread in "Scott Sports" and even in "General Discussion" but I can't for the life of me figure out how to get past the "To create new threads in this forum your post count must be 5 or greater, you have 0 posts" message.

    I have a 2010 Genius 40 and I'm very happy with it but I am finding I am doing more downhill-ish stuff too so thinking of upgrading. I still want a bike that goes up and along as well as down so I am looking for advice on the 2012 Genius LT, specifically the 20 vs. the 30. I thought I had decided to get the 30 but the 20 isn't that much more expensive... (the 10 is another huge step up in price and way too much really, I think).

    I have done a 2 day test ride on my local mountain Uetliberg in Zürich, Switzerland (up the fire road / hiking trail and down the downhill track, outside chance but maybe someone here knows the setup there) with a 2011 40 and it's a seriously nice bike, still in the Genius family but it is that bit bigger / has got that bit more that I think I need at this stage now.

    One concern is with the carbon frame on the 20 (if I understand correctly, the back stays are alloy). I have done some reading and there are a lot of threads discussing carbon vs. alloy and I see plenty of votes for carbon for "feel" and stiffness and durability but that's a whole discussion in itself e.g. in the forums.mtbr.com/all-mountain/all-mountain-setup-carbon-vs-aluminium-773401-3.html thread in the "All Mountain" section (I need *10* posts before I can post links, what?).

    Would I notice the difference between the 20 and 30 or not really? There is also a FAQ item on the Scott site:

    Can I transport my carbon-bike with a car rack?
    Yes you can, but only if you make sure not to clamp or squeeze the frame tubing.
    This doesn't make a great deal of sense to me, I don't see how one can avoid doing at least the second of these. The bike would be transported from time to time on a rear mounted car rack.

    Secondly re: components - so the 20 seems to have better rims, the remote control seat post, better shifters - would anyone agree? Any opinions on whether the 20 is worth spending the bit extra for, is it better value for money or more or less the same?

    I guess I could just get the 20 seeing as it's a nicer colour
    Last edited by someguy2717; 05-06-2012 at 02:01 PM.

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