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    Will SC make a Chameleon 27.5+ hardtail?

    Anyone think Santa Cruz will make a 27.5+ carbon hardtail in the near future? Maybe a variation of the Highball?

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    Don't know about carbon, but I'd bet big money on an alloy HT (29/27.5+) bike coming out soon...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GRFSR View Post
    Don't know about carbon, but I'd bet big money on an alloy HT (29/27.5+) bike coming out soon...
    My research shows that it exists at bike shops as if last night - as there's a pic from last night of the new Chameleon - 29/B+ on Facebook

    Cant find ANY other single notice of it anywhere in the ww interwebz.... but the pic looked great and legit -

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamper11 View Post
    My research shows that it exists at bike shops as if last night - as there's a pic from last night of the new Chameleon - 29/B+ on Facebook

    Cant find ANY other single notice of it anywhere in the ww interwebz.... but the pic looked great and legit -
    Veery interesting - I'll look for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GRFSR View Post
    Don't know about carbon, but I'd bet big money on an alloy HT (29/27.5+) bike coming out soon...
    Santa Cruz employees were talking about it last August. I didnt think it would take this long to get into production.

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    Anyone able to find pictures and post here? I wasn't able to find anything on fb... I'm very keen on a 29/27.5+ SC hardtail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niles25 View Post
    Anyone able to find pictures and post here? I wasn't able to find anything on fb... I'm very keen on a 29/27.5+ SC hardtail.
    I couldn't find anything either.

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    Will SC make a Chameleon 27.5+ hardtail?-screen-shot-2017-03-03-9.05.39-am.jpg

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    Thanks for posting that! Looks interesting - definitely has the cool SantaCruz-ish colors!
    Gotta start looking between the mattresses for some extra cash.....

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    I'm kinda shocked that a shop is already selling these and we hadn't seen a mule/spy shots. Im curious about the geo and builds.
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    Looks great! Honzo-like bended seat tube, much longer reach, low standover, 27.5+/29".

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    Awesome, thanks for posting those! Looking forward to seeing them on the SC website so we can get some more details. Anyone know when that will be?

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    Strange that it's already in stores but not yet officially released..

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    3/15/17 is the official launch date. Though it might get moved up since they shipped early.

    67.3 HTA on the 29" and 67.6 on the 27.5+. Adjustable CS length from 415-430mm. SS capable. Geometry is almost identical to the Hightower. Super stoked about this bike.
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    Nice!
    Do you know what fork travel it's rated for in 27.5+ and 29er modes?

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    I believe it's 120mm for both wheel sizes.

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    Is there a 2x option

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    Do you happen to know what the other frame colour will be?

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    Curious, why would the geo change except for BB height when just swapping to slightly smaller diameter wheels or is the bike selling in 2 different configurations with 2 different fork lengths?

    Quote Originally Posted by RubberSideUp View Post
    3/15/17 is the official launch date. Though it might get moved up since they shipped early.

    67.3 HTA on the 29" and 67.6 on the 27.5+. Adjustable CS length from 415-430mm. SS capable. Geometry is almost identical to the Hightower. Super stoked about this bike.
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    Edit:

    It appears Santa Cruz will offer four modular dropout options for the Chameleon.


    148x12mm geared for 27.5” wheels
    148x12mm geared for 29” wheels

    142x12mm singlespeed for 27.5” wheels
    142x12mm singlespeed for 29” wheels
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    OK......i'm disappointed.

    They completely skipped over making the SS dropouts in 142x12, but now make a Boost 148 set of SS dropouts.
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    Interesting

    Curious is this will evolve to a carbon option. Not sure I'm ready for an aluminum hardtail
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2dopler View Post
    Interesting

    Curious is this will evolve to a carbon option. Not sure I'm ready for an aluminum hardtail
    True - would almost rather a steel hardtail... less harsh.

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    I hope it comes in another color.

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    it will probably come in black too

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    I was just at my LBS today and saw one of these. I was like...wtf...and came here to find out I wasn't crazy. Cool looking bike. Strange that it's in stores and not on the website yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blefevre View Post
    I was just at my LBS today and saw one of these. I was like...wtf...and came here to find out I wasn't crazy. Cool looking bike. Strange that it's in stores and not on the website yet.
    what parts were on it? price?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nauc View Post
    what parts were on it? price?
    Basically the same as this one. Pretty sure the price was 1899. I can't remember exactly after drooling over so many other bikes

    Edit: I am fairly certain the one at my LBS had a dropper post...

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    The Hub in Brevard, NC has one on display right as you walk in the door. I didn't get a good look at it, but it appeared to be the same as the one pictured.

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    I'm hoping/assuming there will be a frame only option. I'd like to replace my aging TransAm with this.
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    thought I saw online $1599 or $1699 somewhere. Looks nice similar to the kona honzo with the long reach. What fork have people been seeing on it, was hoping for Pike 120

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    No way it will be a Pike for that price.

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    Most likely a Recon or Sektor
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    I saw a fellow post his NX build with a Fox 34 Rhythym fork for $2000.

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    wonder what hubs they come with. freakin SC! makin us guess!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nauc View Post
    wonder what hubs they come with. freakin SC! makin us guess!
    looks like it has the same wheels as their other plus bikes, novatec hubs on raceface AR40 rims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2dopler View Post
    Interesting

    Curious is this will evolve to a carbon option. Not sure I'm ready for an aluminum hardtail
    Totally agree. That's personally what I'm looking for. Given how much Santa Cruz uses carbon for the majority of their bikes, I suspect this AL version is a proof-of-concept for geometry, drop-outs, and testing initial sales. If there are good results there, it will be followed up by a lighter carbon version with higher spec build kit hopefully

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    I was told by Santa Cruz there will not be a carbon version, only aluminum. the $1600 version is a Recon fork I believe...Can't wait to test one out!

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    Too bad it's not steel.

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    $1600 complete is not bad especially since you can probably drop 3-4 lbs by converting to SS and tubeless right off the bat. Once you go carbon your going to spend $$$. The Trek Stache 9,8 Carbon frame with carbon wheels retails for $4500. The Giant XTC SS+ carbon from with heavy wheels and dropper = $2499. Wonder how much the frame only will retail for? I like the geometry and way they did the dropouts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newking View Post
    $1600 complete is not bad especially since you can probably drop 3-4 lbs by converting to SS and tubeless right off the bat. Once you go carbon your going to spend $$$. The Trek Stache 9,8 Carbon frame with carbon wheels retails for $4500. The Giant XTC SS+ carbon from with heavy wheels and dropper = $2499. Wonder how much the frame only will retail for? I like the geometry and way they did the dropouts.

    They have been doing the dropouts similar to this since the Highball Al and the last generation Chameleon.....however they had a set of non adjustable dropouts with a hanger and adjustable SS dropouts without hanger. Now it looks like it is just gonna be 1 dropout for both. Still keeping my fingers crossed for 142x12 SS dropouts.
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    The other thing that has me thinking.....most likely the wheels are the same Novatech/Arc 40's that have been on the other 27.5+......and those all come set up for XD Driver. Means if you wanna go SS, then you gotta do a new hub/wheel. Don't know of many SS hub options right now in Boost.
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    The aluminum Plus Tallboy and carbon Plus Tallboy have different rear hubs, and the aluminum one has an 11-42 cassette, which makes me think the Chameleon will have a standard freehub. Santa Cruz knows people will convert to SS and likely spec the standard hub.
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    SRAM NX cassettes are 11-42T and use a standard non-xd driver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikej View Post
    The other thing that has me thinking.....most likely the wheels are the same Novatech/Arc 40's that have been on the other 27.5+......and those all come set up for XD Driver. Means if you wanna go SS, then you gotta do a new hub/wheel. Don't know of many SS hub options right now in Boost.
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    I hadn't seen that Zinger thing before, neat!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnarrior View Post
    I was told by Santa Cruz there will not be a carbon version, only aluminum. the $1600 version is a Recon fork I believe...Can't wait to test one out!
    Yeah, carbon is always tempting but I think Santa Cruz is choosing the high road and not going there. They are staying true-to-form on the vision and budget of this bike.
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    SC needs to put the Cham on their site! i want DETAILS! those farts!

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    I agree. While it's definitely not a material I particularly want, if the bike has the right geo and can fit the wheels and tires I want, I might have to go for it. I'm thinking 29" wheels with 2.6 tires...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding View Post
    I agree. While it's definitely not a material I particularly want, if the bike has the right geo and can fit the wheels and tires I want, I might have to go for it. I'm thinking 29" wheels with 2.6 tires...
    Hopefully the details and specs are on the SC website soon. I don't need a new hardtail but am fascinated with this bike as well as the Specialized Fuse. I love the fact that either bike can be used as a 29er also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nauc View Post
    SC needs to put the Cham on their site! i want DETAILS! those farts!


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    $1599-$1999
    small, medium and large available in two different build kits
    Trail hardtail
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    • 29 or 27.5 Plus wheel options
    • Single speed compatibility
    • Boost rear spacing
    • 67.5 Degree HT Angle

    D Kit
    • Recon Silver 120mm fork on both 29 and 27.5 Plus
    • 1x11 SRAM NX drivetrain (11-42 cassette)
    • SRAM Level Brakes
    • Maxxis Rekon 2.8 Front / Rear

    R1 Kit
    • Fox Rhythm 120mm fork on both 29 and 27.5 Plus
    • 1x11 SRAM NX Drivetrain (XD/10-42 cassette)
    • SRAM Level T Brakes
    • Maxxis Rekon 2.8 Front / Rear

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