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    vp-free as an AM bike ?

    Hi
    can the vp free be also used as an all mountain bike?
    i intend to use them as an all mountain/freeride bike and need to know if they are capable of it.
    did anyone try them with a fork like the fox 36 talas or is it too short for them.

    the reason i ask this is that i can get a very good deal on a vp free or a specialized sx trail 2006 and need to decide what to get.

    thanks

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    Swap out the 8.75 X 2.75 rear shock for a 8.5 X 2.5 and it would work fine with a 36. It would still be a 10+ lb frame though, so it'll never climb like, say, a Nomad.

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    Nomad/VPFree w/out shock weight

    Quote Originally Posted by .Danno.
    It would still be a 10+ lb frame though, so it'll never climb like, say, a Nomad.
    Can someone ie. bike shop emplyee's confirm the weight difference between a Nomad and VPFree (frame only) without their respective shocks.

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    The frame weights are on the Santa Cruz Website

    Blur XC - 5.2lbs with Fox Float RP3
    Blur LT - 6.35lbs with Fox Float RP3
    Blur 4X - 6.4lbs with Fox Float RP3
    Noamd - 7.15lbs with Fox Float
    VP Free - 9.4lbs with DHX5
    V10 - 10.7lbs with DHX5
    Heckler - 6.5lbs with Fox Float R
    Super Light - 5.3lbs with Fox Float R
    Juliana - 5.1lbs with Fox Float R
    Chameleon - 4.25lbs
    Jackal - 6.5lbs

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    real world weights

    Quote Originally Posted by BobRocket
    The frame weights are on the Santa Cruz Website

    Blur XC - 5.2lbs with Fox Float RP3
    Blur LT - 6.35lbs with Fox Float RP3
    Blur 4X - 6.4lbs with Fox Float RP3
    Noamd - 7.15lbs with Fox Float
    VP Free - 9.4lbs with DHX5
    V10 - 10.7lbs with DHX5
    Heckler - 6.5lbs with Fox Float R
    Super Light - 5.3lbs with Fox Float R
    Juliana - 5.1lbs with Fox Float R
    Chameleon - 4.25lbs
    Jackal - 6.5lbs
    Thanks mate, but I'd trust those weight as far as I could throw them.........

    Between what SC state and what FOX claim for their shocks (even if you can find a claimed weight).........hence my quest for real world weights.

    Anyways, there'd be only a couple of pound difference between the 2 frames, so I'd say that effectively with the right component build ie. 36 fork/DHXA you'd have a very versatile ride in the VPFree...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gripo
    Thanks mate, but I'd trust those weight as far as I could throw them.........

    Between what SC state and what FOX claim for their shocks (even if you can find a claimed weight).........hence my quest for real world weights.

    Anyways, there'd be only a couple of pound difference between the 2 frames, so I'd say that effectively with the right component build ie. 36 fork/DHXA you'd have a very versatile ride in the VPFree...
    2 lb difference for the frame sounds about right. You'll also lose a little because of the 150mm rear hub. I don't think any light 73 X 128 cranksets are out there either. But yeah, if you're not a total weight weenie, it'll be a pretty nice AM bike. Afterall didn't Mark Weir win the Downieville race on that type setup a couple years ago? I believe he had the 8.5" i2i shock though.

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    For an all mountain bike you're way better off getting the Specialized. I love my free, but I don't understand why folks even consider this bike for the all mountain thing - this bike has 8 freaking inches of travel and is a bit tall even for a freerider. The free also has some pretty noticeable pedal feedback while technical climbing in granny gear. Total non-issue for a DH/freeride bike, but kind of annoying if you want to use it for technical climbing.

    Besides, the SX trail is best in its breed trail/light freeride bike and can take a lot of abuse. It'll be way more flickable and fun on trails and on jumps. I'd only get a free if you want to run a big fork and a slack head angle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by talf
    Hi
    can the vp free be also used as an all mountain bike?
    i intend to use them as an all mountain/freeride bike and need to know if they are capable
    tal
    it's possible - but why not get a Nomad? - how big of drops are you contemplating?
    Turner RFX would be another great choice (although you may not be able to get your deal on one...)

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    thanks guys.

    as for the nomad - i don't know, never liked those bike.they are nice to ride but for some stranger reason i need to like the bike i ride on

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    I say Yes

    It can be used as an AM bike. I take it DH at Diablo and use it to knock around on local trails too. I do end up pushing in some very steep spots, but they are the same spots I have to walk my Heckler too.
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    I have a Free and It can be used as All Mtn, but the weight does wear you down a bit. Better for the cooler weather I guess. In an All mtn sense there would be some carrying too, which make the Free a lot harder work. The Free does climb amazingly well.
    Also I have a Nomad, its awesome as an All mtn and suprsingly light considering how capapble it is.
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    I'm currently planning a 'light' VPF build, that would be suitable for all-mountain/FR applications. I'm doing this rather than building up a Nomad for a couple of reasons: 1) The VPF is obviously a stronger frame and at leaves open the possibility for doing some bigger hits. Most of what I do could be handled by the Nomad, but I do occasionally hit some bigger drops and things, and I do not want to be limited 2) The VPF frame can be had for $500 CDN less than the Nomad frame (air shock option) I think that with an intelligent build, balancing strength and weight appropriately, the VPF can be built up to be an extremely versatile bike, capable of all-mountain and many FR applications

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    can the vp free weight be reduced to about 17-18 kg, so you can actualy pedal it for a reasonable amount of time before you give up and call for a rescue ?

    what kind of fork can it handle ? i have a fox talas rc2 that i love and i'd hate to give it up

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    Quote Originally Posted by talf
    can the vp free weight be reduced to about 17-18 kg, so you can actualy pedal it for a reasonable amount of time before you give up and call for a rescue ?

    what kind of fork can it handle ? i have a fox talas rc2 that i love and i'd hate to give it up
    17-18 kg should be easy if you don't put DH tires on it, that's hardly light.

    SC's VPF geo spec say it has a 67 deg HA with a 544mm A-C fork. I think the 36 TALAS is something like 535 which means it'll have about 67.5 deg HA - perfect for AM. I'm not sure I trust SC's numbers all that much though.

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    You can easily get the VPF under 17/18 kg (37/39 lbs). Get the air shock option (it's not that much more cost than the coil - $60 CDN increase, I believe and will save a bunch of weight). As the other poster stated, keep your tires light, etc. I have no idea about the Talas, but I would be a bit worried about the HA...I guess you can always try it, and sell the fork if it's too steep for you. That fork would obviously help with weight too. I don't think that it would be that difficult to get the weight down to 35 lbs. I do not have a 100% verified weight that I trust for the VPF with the air shock, but I don't think 35 lbs is unreasonable even if SC does embellish their figures a little.
    Quote Originally Posted by talf
    can the vp free weight be reduced to about 17-18 kg, so you can actualy pedal it for a reasonable amount of time before you give up and call for a rescue ?

    what kind of fork can it handle ? i have a fox talas rc2 that i love and i'd hate to give it up

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