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    Is the Tallboy LTc that much better than the LTa

    I'm set on getting a Tallboy LT. I demoed an LTc and fell deeply in love with the bike. I've read through the whole owners thread, and I'm wondering if I can get away with the aluminum without feeling like I blew it. Money is definitely an issue, so the cheaper the better.

    But I'm curious what you folks think. Most of the time, people just love they bike they bought, because it's the bike you bought. But are there any LTc owners who don't see the big advantage? Are there any LTa owners who really wish they ponied up for the carbon?

    What say you?

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    Is the Tallboy LTc that much better than the LTa

    I have also been looking into the Tallboy LT. I would love to hear owners feedback on this. Also any Cylde's (over 250) have any feedback would be great also (sorry to hijack your tread).

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    Pile on my man.

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    210 lbs buttnaked on an LTc. My philosophy has always been that the money spent on a carbon frame is worth it. I only have a parking lot ride on the Al version, but there's just a solidity and stiffness and for lack of a better word "feel" to the carbon frame that is irreplaceable, especially if you are a big guy. I'd shop around and try to find a place that might work with you on the price to get an LTc. I would think they can be had for $500-800 under msrp if you look around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M320 View Post
    ...Also any Cylde's (over 250) have any feedback would be great also (sorry to hijack your tread).
    I'm 275 geared up, the bike holds up fine, have no fear!

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    I have not ridden either the LTc or the LT so cant speak on stiffness.

    I ride a Rip9 RDO but tell friends that if they don't have loads of money, They are better to go with the alloy frame & spring for a much better set of wheels & that will give them a faster bike.

    LB carbon rims work well.

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    Yes.

    I've ridden both the Aluminum and Carbon, and am a happy owner of a carbon. I'm 220 (ok..228) without any gear and have taken the bike to the limits of my comfort. The stiffness is noticeably different, and I think helps the bikes handling. It's the first bike I've owned that hasn't started creaking, making sounds, needing replacement parts or anything. I'm extremely happy with it's durability (I've got 550 miles on it in 4 months.) I work at a shop and we went to Santa Cruz last fall to learn more about the bikes, the design and how awesome they really were. They took us into their fatigue lab, and before we even could ask they told us their carbon is twice as strong as their aluminum. If at all possible I'd go with carbon. You won't regret it.

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    I went with the carbon because I had the extra cash at the time. 3 months later, I threw on some Enve AM hoops.

    If I'm being honest, I can't say I felt any noticeable difference with the LTa vs LTc with similar components. However, the Enve rims made an already awesome bike into something phenomenal. It really came alive!

    If I were to do it again with limited funds, I would go with the alloy frame with carbon wheels as that's where I felt the biggest change.
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    Is the Tallboy LTc that much better than the LTa

    I demoed the LTc with Enve rims. Just amazing.

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    i weigh 300. been on an aluminum heckler and its held up great for 7 years.
    i demo d a carbon LT.
    Now i just cant decide on the blue or the matte/yellow they just busted out.
    the demo bike was SOLID

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    For me frame weight is irrelevent. My first ride on my LTc blew me away with how laterally stiff it was and how well it tracked.
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    Is the Tallboy LTc that much better than the LTa

    Quote Originally Posted by Rivet View Post
    For me frame weight is irrelevent. My first ride on my LTc blew me away with how laterally stiff it was and how well it tracked.
    Have you ridden an LTa to compare?

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    I've got the LTa and its awesome. For the weight savings, the money didn't make sense. I'm 170ish riding weight and ride the bike hard for endure races. No issues, feels stiff and responsive. You won't go wrong with the LTa. Take the extra cash you save and get an angleset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Quint View Post
    ... and fell deeply in love with the bike...
    Lol!

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    OP: have you looked into the used market for a LTc? I see them come up every so often w/ pretty marked amount off full MSRP...
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    I went with the carbon always felt the ride would be a bit better,like when I first switched from Alum. bars to carbon, better shock absorption. My local dealer[ Bicycle Outfitters] has some great discounts on this years TB and TBLTc due to minor changes in the new models. As for stiffness watch the video on the SantaCruz site of the LT ride at the Oregon Enduro race-amazing. BTW my preference for the carbon might be just be my over thinking and not real performance diff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jselwyn View Post
    I've got the LTa and its awesome. For the weight savings, the money didn't make sense. I'm 170ish riding weight and ride the bike hard for endure races. No issues, feels stiff and responsive. You won't go wrong with the LTa. Take the extra cash you save and get an angleset.
    Out of curiosity, what would the angle set improve about the TB?

    I have 2 months riding the LTc, and have never tried the "a" version so can't really compare, but she's an amazing ride. No bad qualities at all. I'm at 208 plus gear, 2 months ago I was 213 Lbs. Mine is full XTR and weighs around 26.3 ish Lbs. That's where Carbon shines. The Enve's might just bring me below 26 Lbs, but $800 a hoop is steep.

    Personally I'd prefer Carbon with full SLX over Aluminum with full XTR.

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    Is the Tallboy LTc that much better than the LTa

    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    OP: have you looked into the used market for a LTc? I see them come up every so often w/ pretty marked amount off full MSRP...
    I'm not ready to buy yet, but yes, I have. If I'm spending enough on a carbon bike, I'd like the security of the warranty though.

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    Hey a quick derail... How many of you LTc/a guys run Fox 34s for fork, and have any of you had issues w/ creaking/popping crowns/stanchion bonds? I'm going on my 4th CSU and it's KILLING me! I'm supposed to use that chassis to test a fork cartridge for Craig at Avy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Hey a quick derail... How many of you LTc/a guys run Fox 34s for fork, and have any of you had issues w/ creaking/popping crowns/stanchion bonds? I'm going on my 4th CSU and it's KILLING me! I'm supposed to use that chassis to test a fork cartridge for Craig at Avy!
    This is one reason I want to build from a frame. I want the Pike. Seems like lots of people unhappy with the fox34. But it's hard to know if that's just an Internet thing.

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    Pau11y, Mine is a Fox-34 but no creaking issues, but lots of re-builds. Fork seems to run dry quickly.

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    Angleset will slack the front out a bit. Gives you a more solid feel at speed and in the steeps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jab70 View Post
    This is one reason I want to build from a frame. I want the Pike. Seems like lots of people unhappy with the fox34. But it's hard to know if that's just an Internet thing.
    I also have a 36 Float 160 and it's been perfect w/ respect to the crown/stanchion. It's NOT a Kash coat'd fork tho...so I wonder if that coating is reducing the crown's ability grab the legs...

    I don't want to go back down to a 32mm fork for a LTc...I keep a pair of Marz 44 Micro Ti as backup for the bike. I can/do feel the legs move under braking. I'm thinking I should sell the Fox and get a X-Fusion...
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    Quote Originally Posted by fruitafrank View Post
    Pau11y, Mine is a Fox-34 but no creaking issues, but lots of re-builds. Fork seems to run dry quickly.
    Your prob along w/ crappy damping is the reason why I'm going to the Avy cart. BTW fruitafrank, have you looked into higher viscosity motor oil for bath/lube oil? I've been rebuilding my 34s after I get them back from Fox w/ Valvolene Maxlife 20/50wt...also use this in the air chamber...pretty damn buttery!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Your prob along w/ crappy damping is the reason why I'm going to the Avy cart. BTW fruitafrank, have you looked into higher viscosity motor oil for bath/lube oil? I've been rebuilding my 34s after I get them back from Fox w/ Valvolene Maxlife 20/50wt...also use this in the air chamber...pretty damn buttery!
    Looking forward to hearing your review of the Avalanche cartridge. The clock is ticking for me and my Fox 34. At this point, I'm probably going to just buy a Pike, have the Fox upgrade to 2014 internals and sell it. I'm never buying another Fox product again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    Looking forward to hearing your review of the Avalanche cartridge. The clock is ticking for me and my Fox 34. At this point, I'm probably going to just buy a Pike, have the Fox upgrade to 2014 internals and sell it. I'm never buying another Fox product again.
    Craig and I have been in discussion on the topout spring of the CTD...Fox WAY under spec'd how strong it needs to be. On my old '12 Float, there are two...a (-) travel one, and a smaller topout tucked inside/under. I can't feel metal/metal unless I stand on the tire and pull. But per Craig, on the newer CTD, you can get a metal/metal "thunk" if you just lift the front hard enough...?
    Sounds like Fox QC's gone to pot...or their purchasing department is spec-ing parts...HAH!

    Edit: hillharman, whatever became of your diggin' on the X-Fusion Trace?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jselwyn View Post
    Angleset will slack the front out a bit. Gives you a more solid feel at speed and in the steeps.
    How many degrees are you taking off the HTA; what are you running for HTA?
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    In the last coupe of years I have owned
    Revalation 110/140 xx, Reverlation RL 130mm, Revalation RCT3 140mm, White brothers Loop in 120mm 130mm 140mm , Tower Pro in 100mm & 120mm & ridden 140mm, Reba RL & RLT Ti, I also tried 2 Fox forks on my Tallboy before going back to the Reba.

    Ridden the Fox 34 a bit.

    My new 140mm pike is a real stand out to me & has brought the level of ride up so much that I'm even going to upgrade my old loan to friends bike with one so for when I ride it .
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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    My new 140mm pike is a real stand out to me & has brought the level of ride up so much that I'm even going to upgrade my old loan to friends bike with one so for when I ride it .
    I did a quick dig on the 2014 Pike...it looks FANTASTIC! 160mm travel, 35mm chassis, lighter than a 34 Float, and the crown/stanchion interface looks BEEF! If only they had kept the 20mm TA...!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    I did a quick dig on the 2014 Pike...it looks FANTASTIC! 160mm travel, 35mm chassis, lighter than a 34 Float, and the crown/stanchion interface looks BEEF! If only they had kept the 20mm TA...!
    It would have been nice with 20mm, I took a 20mm t/a RCT3 fork off & went to the pike & the pike is still a lot stiffer.
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    Just got a note from Fox, saying they'll be sending me a brand spankin' 34 Float CTD, instead of fixing my 34 Float RLC...
    I'm thinking the Fox will be going up for sale so a new Pike will take its place.
    The Pike should pair well w/ the Monarch Plus on the Tallboy LTc, no?
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    1.5 degrees, down to 68. Add in a 150mm Pike and looking at something around 67.5. That's the idea anyways. With the fork, 1 degree may be enough. Waiting to find out

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    Quote Originally Posted by jselwyn View Post
    1.5 degrees, down to 68. Add in a 150mm Pike and looking at something around 67.5. That's the idea anyways. With the fork, 1 degree may be enough. Waiting to find out
    I think I'm going Pike also...
    Would LOVE to hear a mini-review once you figured out a good/solid combo...

    Edit: to hijack this thread even further... My TB LTc (maybe) has a hairline crack radiating from the lower main triangle's non-drive side pivot...and I'm getting a RA from Willie B for an inspection. So, I took out my little short-shocked Blur LTc for a ride this evening. MAN-o-Shevitz I've lost some 26er bike handling skills!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    I think I'm going Pike also...
    Would LOVE to hear a mini-review once you figured out a good/solid combo...
    I didn't much care for my Tallboy but the 1 thing it did do well was soak up the chatter bumps very well, The pike has that same buttery smooth feel over bumps ( Much more so than any other Fork I have ridden )

    I think you will like how direct the Pike is & how smooth it rides, Yet is very stable.
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    I got my ltc from colorado cyclist for 3300 (mix between RAM and SPX spec) last sept which was pretty soon after they first came out. If you are not in a rush you can eventually get a good deal.

    I changed the brakes to XT from elixir, put light bicycle carbon wheels on w/chris king hubs, and added a dropper post. Otherwise the spec was fine.

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    If you were waiting for a resolution, I think I'm gonna suck it up now and go carbon. It doesn't hurt that that new blue LTc is uber sweet looking.

    Now I gotta sell some stuff.

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    Well done.

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    Well, it hasn't happened yet, but why *not* get a divorce, you know?

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    This thread is a bit dated but want to respond as this is a good question ... and one I feel qualified to answer. I purchased a Tallboy LTa in the summer of 2012 and the more I rode it the more I felt it was the best bike ever made. Hell, at 6-foot-5 and in my late 50s at the time, I can honestly say it was a bike I had been waiting all my life for and made me feel like I was 20 years younger. Fast forward to present day ... So I live in Santa Cruz and have been considering an upgrade so when Santa Cruz Bikes announced their factory demo program I couldn't resist the offer and reserved a Tallboy LTc. Of course it had the Enve wheelset and the XT 2x10. And the best part of it was I could ride the bike on the nearby UCSC trails that I ride regularly ... which is the best way to demo any bike. I jump in the saddle and am riding a short distance the trailhead thinking it is pretty much the same ride as my LTa. Then I hit the dirt. From the first high log-over I immediately note the forgiving and soft execution no matter what the line. A few more hundred yards down the trail and I notice the eerie quiet -- almost ghost-like silence -- of the ride. I'm starting to feel comfortable so pick it up a notch and the bike immediately leaps forward. Wow. The response and handling are very noticeable to say the least. Then I pick it up another notch and hit a few jumps. Freaking launched. Felt like I needed a pilot's license I was getting so much extended air at so little effort. To make a long story short, the carbon frame and wheelset combo absolutely takes this ride to new heights. The difference between the LTa and the LTc is noticeable. Oh yeah, it will require you to take out a second mortgage, but not a third. I'm pretty much a cheapskate at heart and will go miles out of my way to save a buck, but that said this bike is worth every penny. You get what you pay for ... which essentially is a bike you have up to now only dreamed about. Eff all the haters. Consider me obsessed. I will move heaven and earth to get mine. This is the best bike I have ever ridden in 40 years. Nothing else comes close.

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    Is the Tallboy LTc that much better than the LTa

    Nice. Thanks.

    And, I got the carbon.

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    yeah i ended up with the carbon as well. and my brother bought one also.

    they are sweet rides for sure

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    And I ended up w/ a Pike 150...PURE, UNADULTERATED SEX!
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