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    I'd reroute the front brake line inside the fork leg before you rip it and catch it on something along the trail.
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    Re: Tallboy LT and LTc Owners Thread

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    I'd reroute the front brake line inside the fork leg before you rip it and catch it on something along the trail.
    Whoops, I did not notice that. I agree that is not very safe.

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    Frame is medium and i´m 175cm (5.7ft)
    I have 1x5mm and 1x10mm spacers. Maybe only 1x5mm. But that does not feel bad.
    I am 5'9" and TBLT medium demo felt a bit too tall for me. I would need to run the smallest spacer and maybe a negative rise stem in order to get the fit I like.

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    So I have a couple hours today and was screwing around with the bike and remembered what this thread was talking about the other day.

    The Fox Float only getting around 120mm of travel.

    So I let all the air out of mine and measured approx 120-123mm on my rear wheel axle. So has anyone gone anywhere with this? Others where saying that they were speaking to SC and Fox, but then the thread went cold.

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    Getting the brake cable inside on a rockshox fork lower will leave a loop that catches on the front tyre and or spokes. They are designed to be routed exactly as it is , and it would be very tight against the lowers - I can't imagine anything getting between the lowers and the cable on any of my SIDS .

    It's certainly an eye catching bike though, and in the flesh no one is ever going to comment or think for a second about where the cable routing for the dropper goes - we just get a little anal when we have pictures to study.

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    IMHO Id take the spacers out, flip the stem over end put the spacers on top

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    Im 5'10 and rode a large with short stem. Perfect fit. Cant believe you could even pedal it at your height. Surely the XL is for you!


    QUOTE=Bonedoctor;10788919]Hello,

    I found this thread as part of my investigating the tbltc. It was my bike of choice to replace my current 08 enduro but I thought the pricing was too much for me. Then I met a guy in the bush who not only told me about Neezy who sell ex demo models for a big discount but gave me a short go on his. It blew me away so much going up a hill i had to ask him if i could go down it too. Needless to say that blew me away too and I had to have one. I thank my 7 year old son for stopping in the middle of the trail and starting the conversation. It was the first time I'd actually seen a tbltc in the flesh.

    My big question relates to frame size. I'm a skinny 6'5" and long in the torso. I forgot to ask the guy what size his was. Sat on a L in my Local shop without pedals and it felt ok. Sat on an XL and felt stretched out. I actually feel like, even though the sizing chart says I should be on an XXL, I would be more comfortable on a L. I rode 2 trek XL's on a demo day on the weekend and on both the bars felt too far away for comfort.

    My current bike is an XL and I'm always trying to bring the bars closer to me. I got a 2" rise bar in desperation and that helped a bit. I have one of those e150 forks with the fixed stem length. I get a cramp in my lower back every time I ride and I have to stop every 15 minutes to ease it. It has almost stopped me from riding so many times in the past. I have a comfort bike I ride around with the wife and kids. It has a big back sweep on the bars and I've elevated the adjustable stem about 30 degrees past where it is supposed to go to bring the bars closer to me and higher. I'm almost standing up straight when I ride that bike and I look like Mary Poppins on it but it is comfortable for me.

    If anyone has some feedback for me before I fork out the hard earned and possibly make a mistake I would appreciate it. I'd be looking to put a 60mm stem on it as that's my preference and prob set the seat back a bit too out of preference.

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    In regards to my previous post about actual rear wheel travel on the TBLTc... I called fox about the recall on their forks and when I was done discussing that, asked about the 119mm rear wheel travel on my bike. They said that they havent heard anything about this but essentially thier job was to get 2 inches of travel out of the shock. If the shock is travelling 2inches and the rear wheel is not travelling the full 135mm then it is a Santa Cruz problem. They also said that the rear wheel travel isnt exacly the most telling. That it has alot to do with fork angle and seat ride height/angle etc. All of these things together plus maybe a little "rounding" from SC could explain this problem.

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    Heres mine just completed. 25pounds 6ounces. size large. I am 6ft 190lbs. full xx1, formula R1 brakes, reverb stealth, 150mm pike dual air, thomson carbon flat bar, easton haven 70mm stem, sram carbon rise 60 wheels converted tubeless, 2.35 racing ralphs.
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    tony110672, that's a beautiful bike! I almost got the blue, and I think it's looks much better in your photos than on the SC website. Nice setup you have there! Mine is being built up this week.

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    tony110672, your bike is my bike's brother
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    Quote Originally Posted by pharmaboy View Post
    Getting the brake cable inside on a rockshox fork lower will leave a loop that catches on the front tyre and or spokes. They are designed to be routed exactly as it is , and it would be very tight against the lowers - I can't imagine anything getting between the lowers and the cable on any of my SIDS .

    It's certainly an eye catching bike though, and in the flesh no one is ever going to comment or think for a second about where the cable routing for the dropper goes - we just get a little anal when we have pictures to study.
    Agreed. Tried that routing. Didn't work. eurospek off the mark again. The rear brake is actually supposed to be routed along the downtube beside the reverb line. It's a cleaner and shorter route that way. Love the white cables and fork. Pike single air was only available in Black when I bought it. Bummer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dustman View Post
    In regards to my previous post about actual rear wheel travel on the TBLTc... I called fox about the recall on their forks and when I was done discussing that, asked about the 119mm rear wheel travel on my bike. They said that they havent heard anything about this but essentially thier job was to get 2 inches of travel out of the shock. If the shock is travelling 2inches and the rear wheel is not travelling the full 135mm then it is a Santa Cruz problem. They also said that the rear wheel travel isnt exacly the most telling. That it has alot to do with fork angle and seat ride height/angle etc. All of these things together plus maybe a little "rounding" from SC could explain this problem.
    Problem is though we're not getting two inches. So very much Foxes fault as I see it. I put another shock (DB Air) on there and bingo 135mm of travel.

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    Sami A. definately. You beat me to having the 1st blue one on here. great looking bike.
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    You could get some silicon grips and cut them down. I've tried a few and had good luck with the ESI Chunky grips. Light, comfortable, and comes in tons of colors too.

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    Re: Tallboy LT and LTc Owners Thread

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    Tallboy LT and LTc Owners Thread

    I got my TBLTc about 2 weeks ago, and unfortunately haven't gotten on it nearly enough, but I'm already very happy.

    I came from a 2012 Camber 29 that had more flex than a ballerina, and the additional stiffness and travel has made every dissent a pure joy. Climbing still isn't fun, but it's amazing how much more efficient this bike is.

    I bought the RAM kit with an eye towards moving my parts over from my other bike and upgrading some stuff over time, like the SLX brakes and cranks. With my reverb and the stock wheels and tires, the thing was a whopping 32 lbs. I then put on my charger pros and swapped out the rear High Roller for a Mountain King, but I haven't weighed it since.

    I plan to get a less ridiculous stem, some slightly wider bars, and maybe going 1x10, but I'm not sure on that last but yet.

    And oh god, it's beautiful. I've actually already got some cable rub, because I couldn't wait for the frameskin to arrive.

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    Tallboy LT and LTc Owners Thread

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    That aftermarket fork sticker kit really nails it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by argibson View Post
    What did you use to protect the frame when mounting the bottle cage on the top tube? Just Velcro straps to secure? Thanks
    Sorry I've been away from the forum for a while and only just discovered your question. I have a frameskin on there and I also just used part of an old tube wrapped around the toptube and secured the bottle cage in place with a couple of strips of velcroe.

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    Looking to order a Pike . . . .

    I've been very happy with the 140mm of travel my revelation has, so I'm leaning towards ordering the 140 Pike. Does putting the 150mm on unbalance the bike or cause any negative effects? Or conversely, does the additional 10mm of travel on the front add much to your riding? Appreciate anybody's feedback. Also, I'll soon switch to the Cane Creek Dbair CS for the rear suspension in case that makes a difference in anyone's opinion.

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    I just put a Pike 150mm on my LTc. It raises the BB ever so slightly. IMO its perfect for the LT/LTc. As for the riding I only have about 10 miles on mine but the lack of stiction is amazing and the fork appears to ride higher in its travel than the Fox. This is a very popular change in my area. The axle to crown distance on the Pike is similar to the Fox[150mm-Pike].

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    Quote Originally Posted by fruitafrank View Post
    I just put a Pike 150mm on my LTc. It raises the BB ever so slightly. IMO its perfect for the LT/LTc. As for the riding I only have about 10 miles on mine but the lack of stiction is amazing and the fork appears to ride higher in its travel than the Fox. This is a very popular change in my area. The axle to crown distance on the Pike is similar to the Fox[150mm-Pike].
    The only thing I noticed, the very low spd compression is a bit too heavy. I think I want to shave the LSC jet needle's base (the flat part by the adjuster) by about 1/4 or 1/2 mm to open it up a touch. I noticed I'm getting bounced off my line on very slow techy ups while the fork is wide open w/ no LSC in at all. I'm running mine w/ 3 tokens and at ~38 psi of air.

    Disclaimer: I've not opened my fork up yet, so I'm not even sure if this is possible. If not, I may just swap the oil out for a lower wt one from that Excel chart.
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    Yep, get the 150mm Pike. With the DBAir it's perfect. Slackens the head angle ever so slightly and raises the BB both of which is not a bad thing. In fact I'd even consider using the 160mm dual air? (two position Pike) if I did it again.

    Pau11y, wow 3 tokens and 38 psi. I've put two tokens in and run about 65psi, does 3 make the fork super progressive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cecald View Post
    Looking to order a Pike . . . .

    I've been very happy with the 140mm of travel my revelation has, so I'm leaning towards ordering the 140 Pike. Does putting the 150mm on unbalance the bike or cause any negative effects? Or conversely, does the additional 10mm of travel on the front add much to your riding? Appreciate anybody's feedback. Also, I'll soon switch to the Cane Creek Dbair CS for the rear suspension in case that makes a difference in anyone's opinion.
    The 140mm Rev was replaced with a 140mm Pike on my LTc.

    The Pike a2c measured a bit taller than the Rev. The Pike dives a lot less. With that, I'd recommend a 140mm Pike. Better match for the limited rear travel. Better tech climber. Better at cornering. But, I'm a guy who places a premium on fast cornering and tech climbing. I'd sooner give up a bit on the straight on rough descents. Again, when you actually measure the rear travel, you might find a 150-160mm fork is overkill.

    I toiled over a 140 or 150. I find 140 a good match for the rear on the downs, almost over-forked for the rear travel. Good on the climbs. On the super tight twisties, I can feel the front sometimes push, and a taller fork would make that even worse. I'm very glad I went with a 140.

    Remember, the LTc ain't no bash and crash AM rig. It's a trailbike.

    A lot however will come down to the type of trails you ride.

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    Interesting info. Just the obvious about the front end, with the 150mm and that it rides a bit higher you might drop the air pressure just a little and corner further forward on the bike. In my previous MX and Desert days the Moto bikes all seemed to have very high front end and the only way to stick a corner was to scoot way up on the gas tank, might work for the Mtn. bike as well. Not as exaggerated of course.

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    Mikker J, fair enough but if he's sticking a DBAir on the rear he will get a true 135mm of Travel (that's my experience anyway), and it'll feel like 150mm. That's how nice that shock is.

    Either way though, you'll be happy. I actually bought the 150mm Pike 'cos I was told it's A2C measurement was the same as the 140mm Fox. Turns out it wasn't (a bit taller) but wasn't an issue. I was worried the front end would wander more on steeper climbs, but that also hasn't been an issue, maybe due to the size of the bike (XXL) meaning I am a lot more centered with more weight on the front tire.

    I don't think I'd be any quicker on climbs or corners with a 140mm fork, but probably no slower either.. I feel quick on this bike, but strava times aren't really much different than my Tallboy. Go figure.

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    Thanks Miker J, Fruitafrank, Serenity, and Pau11y! I really appreciate your comments and insight. I'm not super into my climbing and value stability on rocky fast downhill sections so I'm going w/ the 150mm for now, and have both front & rear suspensions on order. I'll post up once everything is installed and I get to test it out.

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    I have a pair of the rarer 150 Fox forks, which are higher axle to crown than the pike.
    I have the stem inverted, low rise bars and have no problem at all climbing step tek.
    Infact no harder than my 100mm hardtail!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity Now View Post
    Mikker J, fair enough but if he's sticking a DBAir on the rear he will get a true 135mm of Travel (that's my experience anyway), and it'll feel like 150mm. That's how nice that shock is.

    Either way though, you'll be happy. I actually bought the 150mm Pike 'cos I was told it's A2C measurement was the same as the 140mm Fox. Turns out it wasn't (a bit taller) but wasn't an issue. I was worried the front end would wander more on steeper climbs, but that also hasn't been an issue, maybe due to the size of the bike (XXL) meaning I am a lot more centered with more weight on the front tire.

    I don't think I'd be any quicker on climbs or corners with a 140mm fork, but probably no slower either.. I feel quick on this bike, but strava times aren't really much different than my Tallboy. Go figure.
    Good point on the CCDB.

    Still can't wrap my tiny brain around how I'd get more travel out of a shock with the same stroke. I am getting just about, if not right on, the 2" from the Fox. Help me understand this one?

    Would love to try the CC if for no other reason to dial in the L/HSC. Riding the Fox in Descend mode makes the bike feels super plush on small to med hits, but takes next to nothing to push the shock deep into its travel. Even weight shifts chew up at least half the stroke. When I do hit something big, the travel is already gone. When I ride the Fox in Trail mode I keep it at the first setting ("Trail 1") which to me feels like a touch of LSC has been added. Made a big difference with chewing up too much travel and bike feels better over all but feels like just a bit too much LSC. I'd rather a touch less. I do lose some plushness. It makes the bike more adjustable to varied terrain, but I would settle for something in between and do away with lever flipping.

    The Boost valve, from what I hear, is like a position sensitive HSC? Does NOT work for me. Fast hard hits blow through travel pretty fast.

    A CCDB might let me dial in my low and high speed compression issues. But, sending my Fox to PUSH this winter might also address these issues. I might be able to get them to tune down the Trail mode a bit, and bump up the Boost valve. That is all speculation on my part. Not sure if they could even do that. Also, and this a a big point, it still won't address the short travel issue.

    I dig the bike so much I'd drop the cash on a CCDB if I knew it would address both compression woes, as well as the short travel issue. I can likely get a CCDB at a screaming deal.

    If I could dial the LSC to somewhere between Descend and Trail 1, bump up the HSC a bit, and get the travel fixed, I'd drop the cash right now.

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    Miker J. THe issue for me (and some others) is just that we are not getting the full 51mm stroke from the Fox (I'm getting about 48mm). That's where the missing travel is going.

    The CC is amazingly tuneable. I can't guarantee it'll fix your problems, but the mere fact that you set sag to your riding weight then use the HSC to avoid bottoming out, is so much better than the fox where I have to play around with spacers, pressure, etc to find the middle ground of correct sag and full travel.

    The climb switch is awesome too. Increases both the rebound and compression damping and really settles the bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity Now View Post
    Miker J. THe issue for me (and some others) is just that we are not getting the full 51mm stroke from the Fox (I'm getting about 48mm). That's where the missing travel is going.

    The CC is amazingly tuneable. I can't guarantee it'll fix your problems, but the mere fact that you set sag to your riding weight then use the HSC to avoid bottoming out, is so much better than the fox where I have to play around with spacers, pressure, etc to find the middle ground of correct sag and full travel.

    The climb switch is awesome too. Increases both the rebound and compression damping and really settles the bike
    Cool. Thanks for the info.

    Time to start saving the pennies, and measure the stroke on the Fox one last time. If I had a dollar for ever hour I spent d1cking around with that thing...

    I wouldn't have thought the LTc would have benefitted from the CS enough to make it worth it. Now you just made this more difficult . Would probably stick with the non-CS though. My riding is more fast ups and downs and no time to throw a switch.

    Thanks again.
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    Serenity Now (and any other guys using the CCDB Airs) - do you mind posting up your settings? Someone just posted a new thread requesting that info: Request for CC DBair CS settings for Tallboy LT

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    My blue bomber is almost ready!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J View Post
    The 140mm Rev was replaced with a 140mm Pike on my LTc.

    The Pike a2c measured a bit taller than the Rev. The Pike dives a lot less. With that, I'd recommend a 140mm Pike. Better match for the limited rear travel. Better tech climber. Better at cornering. But, I'm a guy who places a premium on fast cornering and tech climbing. I'd sooner give up a bit on the straight on rough descents. Again, when you actually measure the rear travel, you might find a 150-160mm fork is overkill.

    I toiled over a 140 or 150. I find 140 a good match for the rear on the downs, almost over-forked for the rear travel. Good on the climbs. On the super tight twisties, I can feel the front sometimes push, and a taller fork would make that even worse. I'm very glad I went with a 140.

    Remember, the LTc ain't no bash and crash AM rig. It's a trailbike.

    A lot however will come down to the type of trails you ride.
    It's not freeride or DH but it is a capable AM rig. I'd consider the reg TB an XC/trail runner
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    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity Now View Post
    Problem is though we're not getting two inches. So very much Foxes fault as I see it. I put another shock (DB Air) on there and bingo 135mm of travel.
    What size DB did you install. SC site says 200x51mm is required. CC DB Air offers a 200/50... Any problems with the install? Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by LB412 View Post

    What size DB did you install. SC site says 200x51mm is required. CC DB Air offers a 200/50... Any problems with the install? Thanks,
    200x51. I didn't buy one, just borrowed a friend's for a week. For those asking about set up. I can't remember exactly, but I think about 150# pressure (I weight about 195#). LSC just a coupler of clicks more than minimum (as I used the CS for most climbs), can't remember exactly the other settings as I played around quite a bit. Certainly takes a while to get dialed.

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    Hopefully this is a good place to ask this. I bought an LTC this summer and love it. I don't have the money to buy a Beargrease, but want to ride in the snow. What tires are you guys rolling in the snow and ice with on your LTCs? Right now I am loving my Ardent EXO tubeless, but don't think they are gonna hang with my buddies Beargrease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canonphotodude View Post
    Hopefully this is a good place to ask this. I bought an LTC this summer and love it. I don't have the money to buy a Beargrease, but want to ride in the snow. What tires are you guys rolling in the snow and ice with on your LTCs? Right now I am loving my Ardent EXO tubeless, but don't think they are gonna hang with my buddies Beargrease.
    As someone who owns an LTc and Beargrease, I can only wish you good luck.
    The only tire I know of possibly worth trying might be the 45 nrth nicotine
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    So after demoing this bike, and many others, numerous times. I finally pulled the trigger. Here's my one crappy photo. Honestly, I was having so much fun riding I didn't want to stop to take a picture, but figured I needed one. I'm still dialing in the cockpit. Going to lower the bars a bit and maybe go to a 80 stem. I have a 70 on there now. Downhill setup is perfect now, but I could use just a wee bit more leverage climbing. Glad I went with the Havoc bars. I love them. Climbing hasn't been as good as I experienced on some of my demo rides, but I attribute that to some lack of fitness and High Rollers on front and back. Those things are grippy. I did get 5 PR's on my favorite local trail. So I am adapting well to 29er wheels on the downhill.

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    ...before the snow flew

    Almost 12K ft...yeah baby!

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    Just thought I'd post a pic of my new TBLTc SPX build. As my kids would say, I'm just an old fat guy riding for exercise in the mountains of western North Carolina, but I love it!

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    Does anyone know the reducer hardware required to fit a CCDBA to a Tallboy LTc?

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    Nice bikes Batex and GMM.

    Can you guys tell me if the yellow colour in the decals is a traditional Yellow or more of a Hi Viz Yellow?? Its really hard to tell from all the pictures ive seen and Ive not had an opportunity to see one in the flesh just yet.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napalm100 View Post
    Nice bikes Batex and GMM.

    Can you guys tell me if the yellow colour in the decals is a traditional Yellow or more of a Hi Viz Yellow?? Its really hard to tell from all the pictures ive seen and Ive not had an opportunity to see one in the flesh just yet.

    Cheers
    Hi Viz/Neon Yellow
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