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    Wow they are all beatiful! Congrats on your bikes. I can't wait to get mine next week. CraigH what kind of tires areyou planning on using?

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    CraigH Q Bro - On your TBLT carbon is the rear Fox Shox a CTD 2013 or a 2012 ... Thanks
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    Johnny, I know you weren't asking me but I will tell you anyway, Mine came with a 2013 Fox 34 Float CDT and a 2012 RP23.

    Craig, I may see you out there today. I live in Whistler you dashed my hopes of having the only one out there.

    I am not too sure about the CTD. I think I will miss the ability of setting my own compression. Not that I used that much compression of previous forks.

    I am coming off a Nomad and so for I love it. DH bike stable and climbs like a goat!

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    Sanman, Thank you Very much for the info ... Q - Was yours a Carbon with XT Kit too ???
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    It isn't a CTD. It is RP23 Boost Valve, Kashima coat.

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    Yesterday I rode with the fork in Trail setting in middle range. It seems it lacks the small bump sensitivity I'm used to with my old Talas 32. I have to play around with it some more.

    I did use the Decent setting in soft range to come down Cream Puff and that seemed okay.

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    It is a large frame with the SPXam build & Float 34 CTD. The only changes so far was a set of XT trail pedals and flipped the brake levers as I run right = front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CraigH View Post
    Yesterday I rode with the fork in Trail setting in middle range. It seems it lacks the small bump sensitivity I'm used to with my old Talas 32. I have to play around with it some more.

    I did use the Decent setting in soft range to come down Cream Puff and that seemed okay.

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    It is a large frame with the SPXam build & Float 34 CTD. The only changes so far was a set of XT trail pedals and flipped the brake levers as I run right = front.
    Wonder if these over simplified shocks and forks will be to Fox what the dual control was to Shimano.
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    Happier with the fork today.

    Did most of the ride in the Decent setting with the adjustment in the medium range. Firm was to much. I still need to play with the rebound, currently it is in the middle of the rebound range.

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    The tires have to go, the Ardents just aren't good in the early season damp conditions in Whistler & Pemberton. I think the knobs are to small and not tall enough. I'll keep them for later season dry riding in the BC & Washington interior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CraigH View Post
    It isn't a CTD. It is RP23 Boost Valve, Kashima coat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CraigH View Post
    Happier with the fork today.

    Did most of the ride in the Decent setting with the adjustment in the medium range. Firm was to much. I still need to play with the rebound, currently it is in the middle of the rebound range.

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    The tires have to go, the Ardents just aren't good in the early season damp conditions in Whistler & Pemberton. I think the knobs are to small and not tall enough. I'll keep them for later season dry riding in the BC & Washington interior.
    Glad I am not the only one who feels that way about the Ardents. Due to the fact that they are spec'd on the TBLT and the new Transition Bandit 2-9 and Kona Satori, I assumed these were going to be "tires to have". Not so much.

    It's beginning to feel a lot less lonely on this forumn. Stoked to see the new bikes showing up and hearing how people like theirs. Congrats to those who have them and to those who's are coming soon. Mine already looks like it has been used beat up, and I still have bike on Mind
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    Our local mtn bike web site has a 29er tire thread that suggests that the Ardents work a little better in the rear when run backwards. I haven't tried that yet.
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    I did buy a set of Specialized Purgatory 2.2 last night that I'll be installing for the next ride. Both the thread above and the LBS in Squamish said they work well for our local conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CraigH View Post
    Happier with the fork today.

    Did most of the ride in the Decent setting with the adjustment in the medium range. Firm was to much. I still need to play with the rebound, currently it is in the middle of the rebound range.

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    The tires have to go, the Ardents just aren't good in the early season damp conditions in Whistler & Pemberton. I think the knobs are to small and not tall enough. I'll keep them for later season dry riding in the BC & Washington interior.
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    On the settings; the Trail setting has too much low and high compression so I run it either Trail for climbing and Descent for downhill. The downhill has a bit too much high speed compression for my liking but I can live with it for XC, I suspect that 7 minute downhills are unusual for most people so we are outside the median for Fox (both Overnight Sensation and CreamPuff are about 7 minute downhills flat out). The Talas 90/120 Fox CTD I had would be packing out halfway down both rides.

    That would also apply to Whistler. The only fix is to have the valving and possibly shim stack changed but my job isn't to review the fork so I haven't pulled it apart. Someone else can do that.

    Quote Originally Posted by CraigH View Post
    Our local mtn bike web site has a 29er tire thread that suggests that the Ardents work a little better in the rear when run backwards. I haven't tried that yet.
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    I did buy a set of Specialized Purgatory 2.2 last night that I'll be installing for the next ride. Both the thread above and the LBS in Squamish said they work well for our local conditions.
    Conti Mountain Kings also work well in 2.2 (in Black Chilli of course). The Ardent works fine as a rear tire. Clark Lewis just needs to grow a pair. It's not great in the wet as a front tire although I did run it in the 26" version all year just because it rolls so fast but that was on a Bandit 26" bike - only finding it undergunned on say Crazy Train or Gravitron or Jack the Ripper - ie really steep trails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    Wonder if these over simplified shocks and forks will be to Fox what the dual control was to Shimano.
    Nope. CTD is for suspension retards. I bet they'll be a hit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeL View Post
    Nope. CTD is for suspension retards. I bet they'll be a hit.
    And said retards comprise, what? 95% of MTB riders or so....
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeL View Post
    Nope. CTD is for suspension retards. I bet they'll be a hit.
    I already don't like the change to the RP23. I like it better when the choice was open or 1-3 propedal.
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    Ugh this is making me gunshy about ordering this fork with my frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeL View Post
    Craig

    On the settings; the Trail setting has too much low and high compression so I run it either Trail for climbing and Descent for downhill. The downhill has a bit too much high speed compression for my liking but I can live with it for XC, I suspect that 7 minute downhills are unusual for most people so we are outside the median for Fox (both Overnight Sensation and CreamPuff are about 7 minute downhills flat out). The Talas 90/120 Fox CTD I had would be packing out halfway down both rides.

    That would also apply to Whistler. The only fix is to have the valving and possibly shim stack changed but my job isn't to review the fork so I haven't pulled it apart. Someone else can do that.



    Conti Mountain Kings also work well in 2.2 (in Black Chilli of course). The Ardent works fine as a rear tire. Clark Lewis just needs to grow a pair. It's not great in the wet as a front tire although I did run it in the 26" version all year just because it rolls so fast but that was on a Bandit 26" bike - only finding it undergunned on say Crazy Train or Gravitron or Jack the Ripper - ie really steep trails.
    I need to grow a pair too, I had the rear tire loop out on that last angled rock just above the train tracks on Cream Puff. All the rocks were wet as the rain started just as we turned off Econoline on to CP.

    David F. was just behind me on the Racing Raphs and did the same thing. All of the guys on 26" tires that are normally used around here had no problem at all.

    Usually I'm not to picky about tires but these just don't work for our condtions.

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    I still need to play around with the fork setting some more. In general it seems like the settings are over damped compared to what I'm used to riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    I already don't like the change to the RP23. I like it better when the choice was open or 1-3 propedal.
    I wonder if it has changed for this year?

    Mine has 0, 1, 2 dial on the lever and a #3 lever postion that I think is labelled firm?

    Going from memory, will have to look when I get home.

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    I think this was a bad move for FOX.
    Come on RockShox where is your new stiffer longer travel 29er fork? Or perhaps X-Fusion?

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    The fork we are talking about is the 2013 34 Float CTD that we are getting in Canada.

    I'm not sure what SC is shipping with bikes in the US, they might have got a bunch of the 2012 34 Float before Fox sold out of the 2012 stock. Check with your dealer or SC on what they are shipping with.

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    I think it is just a learning curve. People are used to having compression & rebound knobs that give you a linear adjustment.

    With CTD we have a 3x3 matrix of adjustments that takes some testing to figure out what works for your riding condtions and how you like your fork to perform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CraigH View Post
    I need to grow a pair too, I had the rear tire loop out on that last angled rock just above the train tracks on Cream Puff. All the rocks were wet as the rain started just as we turned off Econoline on to CP.

    David F. was just behind me on the Racing Raphs and did the same thing. All of the guys on 26" tires that are normally used around here had no problem at all.

    Usually I'm not to picky about tires but these just don't work for our condtions.

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    I still need to play around with the fork setting some more. In general it seems like the settings are over damped compared to what I'm used to riding.
    Not that I ride at all in conditions like yours, but perhaps the Hans Dampf would be the ticket. Its a bit big, but super super grippy.
    The Ardent works like a champ in socal. A far cry from your turf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CraigH View Post
    I wonder if it has changed for this year?

    Mine has 0, 1, 2 dial on the lever and a #3 lever postion that I think is labelled firm?

    Going from memory, will have to look when I get home.
    On the older version, open was by itself as a lever position. Then the other position was pro-pedal and you selected the level of pro-pedal with the dial 1-2-3

    Now on yours, one position of the lever is pro-pedal 3- you have no choice. Lets just say you prefer pro-pedal 2, with the new set up you can't just flip the lever and go from open to PP-2.
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    X fusion is releasing a 140mm 29er fork called the Trace for 2013, slick coating like fox, 1 piece steerer and crown, 15mm TA, 34mm Stantions.
    Seems like a good budget wise option rather than paying the massive cost for the fox

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    Quote Originally Posted by CraigH View Post
    I need to grow a pair too, I had the rear tire loop out on that last angled rock just above the train tracks on Cream Puff. All the rocks were wet as the rain started just as we turned off Econoline on to CP.
    Big difference between Ardents with tire compounds - get supertacky for our riding


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    I still need to play around with the fork setting some more. In general it seems like the settings are over damped compared to what I'm used to riding.


    Thats because the settings are overdamped.


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    I think it is just a learning curve. People are used to having compression & rebound knobs that give you a linear adjustment.

    With CTD we have a 3x3 matrix of adjustments that takes some testing to figure out what works for your riding condtions and how you like your fork to perform.
    and all those settings are overdamped
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    hmm - it seems I might have gotten some of the 29er protos Ardents in the 42a sticky compound as it looks like 29er Ardents in 2.25 only come in 60a which isn't the greatest in wet. So retraction on that one Craig
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    Quote Originally Posted by reamer41 View Post
    And said retards comprise, what? 95% of MTB riders or so....
    We both agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reamer41 View Post
    Picked her up today!

    For those wondering about torks and shock: mine, a black LTc amXTR, came with a RP23 (3-012) shock and a FIT-RLC fork.

    As it's still 100+ degrees I'll have to wait for nightfall for a good ride.
    Wow you went for the full blingy! Nice work!

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    Picked her up today!

    For those wondering about torks and shock: mine, a black LTc amXTR, came with a RP23 (3-012) shock and a FIT-RLC fork.

    As it's still 100+ degrees I'll have to wait for nightfall for a good ride.
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    man, i have been waiting for my xl since 4-1 without a test ride . i was a bit unsure bout whether i made the right choice by ordering a XL. I'm 6.1 with long legs and long arms and i liked the feel of the xl regular tallboy. so tonight i stopped by my LBS and test rode the tallboy ltc with a rock shock fork and xt drivetrain and brakes. i was in the city but got to take it down some stairs , rode for 20 minutes and i still have a grin on my face. i liked it better than the tallboy c. it is the sweetest bike i have rode,{ coming off a mojo sl } so freaking plush.
    my frame is shipping next week with 2013 fox shock, and my 2013 fox talas will ship by fox the week after. i sourced some components over the winter from flea bay and craigslist didn't notice till this evening that .somehow my r1's shipped with a pair of 180 rotors. the wait was killing me but now i know it will be worth it. hopefully i can dump my Mojo SL in the next few weeks

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    Tires on Tallboy LTc

    Still waiting for my LTc in Medium. Should be soon... 1 month without a bike is too much.

    How about Nobby Nic 2.35 F and 2.25 R? (That's what I'm going for)

    As well, Hans Dampf 2.35 F and Nobby Nic R?

    Rode 1 week on Ardents on My Nomad and gave them away. Rode Weirwolf 2.35 for a long time after that...

    Jealous now seeing them around. My buddy got his Large Yellow yesterday. He ordered it 1 week after me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silly Man View Post
    Still waiting for my LTc in Medium. Should be soon... 1 month without a bike is too much.

    How about Nobby Nic 2.35 F and 2.25 R? (That's what I'm going for)

    As well, Hans Dampf 2.35 F and Nobby Nic R?

    Rode 1 week on Ardents on My Nomad and gave them away. Rode Weirwolf 2.35 for a long time after that...

    Jealous now seeing them around. My buddy got his Large Yellow yesterday. He ordered it 1 week after me...

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    I've got HD 2.35 and NN 2.35 setup on mine, the NN is horrible durability-wise around here. It's absolutely shredded after just one week of riding. It's a combination of rock and hard-pack here, so maybe it does better in soil. The HD on the other hand is amazing, wish I had just got with that front and back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahColorado View Post
    I've got HD 2.35 and NN 2.35 setup on mine, the NN is horrible durability-wise around here. It's absolutely shredded after just one week of riding. It's a combination of rock and hard-pack here, so maybe it does better in soil. The HD on the other hand is amazing, wish I had just got with that front and back.
    im starting off with a pair of 2.35 Nobby Nics mounted tubeless on some industry 9's and stans arches....

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahColorado View Post
    I've got HD 2.35 and NN 2.35 setup on mine, the NN is horrible durability-wise around here. It's absolutely shredded after just one week of riding. It's a combination of rock and hard-pack here, so maybe it does better in soil. The HD on the other hand is amazing, wish I had just got with that front and back.
    I've been running HD 2.35 front and rear here in SoCal for a while, and I do love the traction they give. I have torn them up pretty well, though. Not sure how much riding, but probably ~6 rides of 20 miles or so. I bought some Nobby Nics to try out (also because the HDs rub my front fork), but I am a little worried about durability. Considering selling them new rather than shredding them and then having to drop another $160 on tires. Obviously, lots of rocks and hardpack here in SoCal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahColorado View Post
    Yeah, I'm a little bummed my tire looks like this after a week (maybe 10 days). I'll fully admit that I'm hard on tires - and so are our trails (especially right now with the drought). But, like I said I'm really happy with the Hans Dampf - I might pick up another one of those. I'm hoping Maxxis makes the HR2 2.2 availible soon, that's my favorite 26" tire at the moment.

    Holy crap. That is bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    Considering selling them new rather than shredding them and then having to drop another $160 on tires. Obviously, lots of rocks and hardpack here in SoCal.
    Yeah, I'm a little bummed my tire looks like this after a week (maybe 10 days). I'll fully admit that I'm hard on tires - and so are our trails (especially right now with the drought). But, like I said I'm really happy with the Hans Dampf - I might pick up another one of those. I'm hoping Maxxis makes the HR2 2.2 availible soon, that's my favorite 26" tire at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    I've been running HD 2.35 front and rear here in SoCal for a while, and I do love the traction they give. I have torn them up pretty well, though. Not sure how much riding, but probably ~6 rides of 20 miles or so. I bought some Nobby Nics to try out (also because the HDs rub my front fork), but I am a little worried about durability. Considering selling them new rather than shredding them and then having to drop another $160 on tires. Obviously, lots of rocks and hardpack here in SoCal.
    Give a serious look at the WTB Bronson and Moto. I'm running them on my Blur and they are really great so far. I've got the Moto up front and Bronson out back. So far, the traction is VERY confidence inspiring. I'm really, really pleased.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OO7 View Post
    Give a serious look at the WTB Bronson and Moto. I'm running them on my Blur and they are really great so far. I've got the Moto up front and Bronson out back. So far, the traction is VERY confidence inspiring. I'm really, really pleased.
    Yeah I've got a 2.2 Bronsan TCS here I'm gonna try down at the Angel Fire race this weekend. It's mostly a high-speed 2-track course, so I'm a little nervous to run my current Nobby "Slick". It looks like the Moto is only in a 1.9 for 29" - not the hot setup.
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    Noah, have you tried the Specialized Purgatory? You have me rethinking picking NNs for my build . . . . I do hear the Bronson is great though . . . any other good options that are little lighter and faster rolling than the Hans Dampf that would be a good match for the LT??

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    I've been running HD 2.35 front and rear here in SoCal for a while, and I do love the traction they give. I have torn them up pretty well, though. Not sure how much riding, but probably ~6 rides of 20 miles or so. I bought some Nobby Nics to try out (also because the HDs rub my front fork), but I am a little worried about durability. Considering selling them new rather than shredding them and then having to drop another $160 on tires. Obviously, lots of rocks and hardpack here in SoCal.
    I find the Ardent 2.4 works really well in socal dirt. Fast roller too. Rolls faster than the HD, similar volume, a smidge smaller. I also like the way it corners a bit better than the HD, not that the HD is a slouch in that department. The Ardent just gets on its edges a bit faster, which I like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phatass View Post
    Noah, have you tried the Specialized Purgatory? You have me rethinking picking NNs for my build . . . . I do hear the Bronson is great though . . . any other good options that are little lighter and faster rolling than the Hans Dampf that would be a good match for the LT??
    I'm not Noah, but:
    I've spent time on the Purgatory 2.2. It is a solid, predictable tire, with easy manners. Rolls relatively fast, not as fast as the Ardent 2.4. The 2.2 has a pretty nice air volume to the casing, and is not too heavy 700gram range.. My only issue is Specialized control casing has not been the most durable for me. I've gotten sidewall cuts fairly frequently, and had the tire burp a couple of times on hard landings. Maxxis EXO casing is far more durable for me, though I am not light on tires.
    Also, Bontragers new 29-4 are pretty good all arounders. Great size, but roll faster than the HDs, the Expert casing has survived fairly well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reamer41 View Post
    Picked her up today!

    For those wondering about torks and shock: mine, a black LTc amXTR, came with a RP23 (3-012) shock and a FIT-RLC fork.

    As it's still 100+ degrees I'll have to wait for nightfall for a good ride.
    What size frame is yours ??? Thanks ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyG 1970 View Post
    What size frame is yours ??? Thanks ...
    Large.

    I took it for a shake down ride this morning. Great bike! I was surprised the fit felt OK with the short stem. The bike came with a 60 or 70mm, (not sure) and I'm more accustomed to 90 - 100mm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reamer41 View Post
    ... I was surprised the fit felt OK with the short stem. The bike came with a 60 or 70mm, (not sure) and I'm more accustomed to 90 - 100mm.
    I found the same thing, I'm used to a longer stem on my old Blur Classic, but I figured I'd give the short stem a try along with the new style geometry. It works.

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    On the LTc main frame, anyone find the location of the serial number?

    LBS found the one on the swingarm but couldn't find the one on the main frame.

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    Thanks Morandi. The 29-4 looks interesting, but I'm not sure if it would fit as a rear tire. I think it will be between the purgatorys or bronsons . . . not looking to mix and match. Been doing that for so long I want to try the same tire on the front and rear for a while . . . . of course by the time i get my xxl there might be another candidate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phatass View Post
    Thanks Morandi. The 29-4 looks interesting, but I'm not sure if it would fit as a rear tire. I think it will be between the purgatorys or bronsons . . . not looking to mix and match. Been doing that for so long I want to try the same tire on the front and rear for a while . . . . of course by the time i get my xxl there might be another candidate
    I ran Bronsons for a long time on my El Mariachi, and while they are good all around, I found the cornering a bit... weird. The tire profile is very flat, and the side nobs stick out a lot. This was helpful in some situations, but also oddly squirmy while leaned in others. Switching to Hans Dampfs was a major improvement everywhere except in rolling resistance, and it wasn't that bad. Only problem is that they rub on my 120mm Reba a bit, and they aren't super durable.

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    Bottom of the seattube right above the link.

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    I think I am already paying for my R AM choice. Pretty sure I have already destroyed the xt hub in the rear. Made a 50 mile round trip to not even get out of the parking lot, . Luckily I my buddy had already bought a set of flows with Kings so he loaned the rear wheel that came with his. I have less than 200 miles on it. The shop is about 45 min away, not overly excited about this.
    I might have amnesia, but at least I don't have amnesia!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGME View Post
    I think I am already paying for my R AM choice. Pretty sure I have already destroyed the xt hub in the rear. Made a 50 mile round trip to not even get out of the parking lot, . Luckily I my buddy had already bought a set of flows with Kings so he loaned the rear wheel that came with his. I have less than 200 miles on it. The shop is about 45 min away, not overly excited about this.
    That sucks. I will say Shimano was great when I had my Felt. Called them up, told them the front bearing and race were trashed and it had low mileage. Sent the wheel, once they verified it, they sent me a new wheel back.
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