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    I've used wipperman on XT with no problems.

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    Officially now part of the of the Santa Cruz Family....Got three rides in so far an absolutely love it...This is my replacement after my Intense Tracer 29er got stolen....

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    Upgraded to the Thomson Covert Elite Dropper and DB Inline. Derby Rims still holding strong. Bike is very creaky and loud these days though.

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    How do you like the DBinline? I just ordered one. Just curious did you experiment with mounting it with the air can facing forward? Wondering if there might be clearance issues as all the photos I have seen have it mounted like yours.

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    I've only been on it about 30 miles, so far so good. Based on the PSI and plushness of the shock I felt like it was going to bottom out, but it hasn't, with a little room to spare. The traction on climbs seems even better than the DB Air CS, and of course the weight decrease is nice. I'm still working on the tuning though.

    I didn't try mounting it the other way, as that is the way it is designed to be mounted. Granted it is the opposite of the Fox, but its the same way I had the DB Air CS and makes for the simplest and most intuitive access to the climb switch. I dont think you'd have a problem flipping it though if you liked that look better.

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    Why's it creaking? Here mine with the inline.
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    Why's it creaking? The is a good question, one which no one can really answer. There's a drive train grinding issue that was temporarily resolved with a new chain ring, but returned when the cassette and chain were replaced. And then there's the creaks...

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    vpp bolts need tightened?
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    bolts checked and tightened regularly, bushings replaced numerous times etc etc

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    Have you pulled and cleaned them? I had lots of creaking after 30 miles and doing a quick axle pull, clean, re-grease and pumping some grease into the zerks fixed it right up.

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    i personally didn't do it, but my LBS has done so numerous times, including some grease into the zerks. The latter improved the creaking, but did not resolve it..

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    Creaking can be frustrating but is nearly always fixable. The key is, don't give up!

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    Jonesy22 and Istone84 what kind of tunes are you guys running on your Inlines? Mine comes today and I am looking forward to tinkering with it.

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    I just ordered Frameskins clear matte frame protection and some Race Face crank boots.
    Saw a frameskin kit on my same bike in the shop the other day. The guy used gloss on the matte carbon frame, and it looked pretty good, but I decided to go with matte and keep it more invisible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    I just ordered Frameskins clear matte frame protection and some Race Face crank boots.
    Saw a frameskin kit on my same bike in the shop the other day. The guy used gloss on the matte carbon frame, and it looked pretty good, but I decided to go with matte and keep it more invisible.
    I've got the matt skin on mine, it is near invisible. I think you'll like it.

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    2 weeks and 120 miles later

    I can confidently say this bike rips!

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    Still stock tune right now. I rode once so far and it felt pretty good. Havent really had time to mess with it lol
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    Something to dream about...
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    Currently HSR 1.5 LSR 8 HSC 2 LSC 6. Stock tune on mine was not what was listed on the card that came with the shock, so beware of that.

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    Problem with the upper link bearings. I have my TBLTc in the shop getting a -1.5 degree Works angleset installed and the shop guy looks at the axel on the lower bearing on the upper link and notices 1-2 extra thread sticking out, as if it is over tightened or I forgot to put on the dust caps. He is a very good mechanic. So he checked it out and the bearing are toast. The inner races are falling off, not going to be able to remove the bearing from the link kind of toast. So it is only $52 for a new link and bearings. But my bearings are only 6 mo old. I just replaced them in the winter. I figured that I could get a year out of bearings at the worst. This seems a little excessive to me. Is anyone else having wear issues with these bearings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monster Truck View Post
    Problem with the upper link bearings. I have my TBLTc in the shop getting a -1.5 degree Works angleset installed and the shop guy looks at the axel on the lower bearing on the upper link and notices 1-2 extra thread sticking out, as if it is over tightened or I forgot to put on the dust caps. He is a very good mechanic. So he checked it out and the bearing are toast. The inner races are falling off, not going to be able to remove the bearing from the link kind of toast. So it is only $52 for a new link and bearings. But my bearings are only 6 mo old. I just replaced them in the winter. I figured that I could get a year out of bearings at the worst. This seems a little excessive to me. Is anyone else having wear issues with these bearings?
    Bearings pressed in backwards. I can almost guarantee this was the issue.

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    Any of you guys who upgraded to XX1/X01, my X01 stuff just came in, wondering what method you guys used to determine chain length.

    Did you go chain ring to 42t, skipping the derailleur, +4 links and the Powerlink?

    Suspension compressed or uncompressed? SRAMs included documentation sucks

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    Quote Originally Posted by norcalsfinest View Post
    Any of you guys who upgraded to XX1/X01, my X01 stuff just came in, wondering what method you guys used to determine chain length.

    Did you go chain ring to 42t, skipping the derailleur, +4 links and the Powerlink?

    Suspension compressed or uncompressed? SRAMs included documentation sucks
    I'm not 1x11, but recently converted to 1x10. Our bikes have a lot of chain growth, so make sure you at least check at full compression to make sure you're not over extending the rear derailleur. I threaded the chain on the 42 and through the rear derailleur, fully compressed the suspension (removed the shock since I didn't have a helper) and removed links until I was happy with the derailleur tension. Make sure the rear derailleur has tension when you're in the small sprocket too. It's easy to leave too much chain which will leave you with excess chain slap. Making a chain tool to temporarily hold the chain together will help you out a lot. Watch this video, it helped me a lot to understand the process.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ33HOy6thE

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    Big 42t rear front chain ring no derailluer suspension compressed add 2 links. Good to go!!

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    Long time lurker here.. Finally pulled the trigger on one this past Saturday at the Wheat Ridge Cyclery demo sale. Two rides in and I'm loving it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by MyForkIsSoDialed View Post
    Long time lurker here.. Finally pulled the trigger on one this past Saturday at the Wheat Ridge Cyclery demo sale. Two rides in and I'm loving it...
    time to start upgrading...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lstone84 View Post
    time to start upgrading...
    Yeah, MyFork...
    Went to a Fox 36/150, so I've got a Pike I'm not using sitting in my living room...

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    I finally settled on getting the LTC after several months of riding my top pics bikes after getting screwed sideways from Yeti ( long story ), I am very happy with the bike .

    I have had it now for 3 months and road all my favorite trails and shattered all my old times and even set many KOMs that I could not even get close to on my Yeti.

    I am just having so much fun with this bike , I have the XX1, I9s , Pike , Reverb .

    The thing really works well for me despite some of the geometry numbers I thought would not work .

    Just wanted to say Hi to all the other TBLT owners

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    Anyone know what the lowest stack lower bearing for a TB LTC might be?

    I want 140mm of travel without the handlebars being super high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MyForkIsSoDialed View Post
    Long time lurker here.. Finally pulled the trigger on one this past Saturday at the Wheat Ridge Cyclery demo sale. Two rides in and I'm loving it...
    That blue is a beautiful color!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lstone84 View Post
    time to start upgrading...
    I plan to upgrade the wheels at some point and obviously the tires as soon as they wear out. Even though it was a demo bike it had barely seen any use. I guess that's one advantage of the XL bikes. Any recommendations on a wheelset?

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    Yeah, MyFork...
    Went to a Fox 36/150, so I've got a Pike I'm not using sitting in my living room...
    Was there something you didn't like about the Pike or did you just need something more stout? I haven't ridden the new Pike yet, is there a huge difference between that and the Fox 34?

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    That blue is a beautiful color!
    Thanks! I actually wasn't really into the blue color until I saw it in the sunlight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyForkIsSoDialed View Post
    I plan to upgrade the wheels at some point and obviously the tires as soon as they wear out. Even though it was a demo bike it had barely seen any use. I guess that's one advantage of the XL bikes. Any recommendations on a wheelset?


    Was there something you didn't like about the Pike or did you just need something more stout? I haven't ridden the new Pike yet, is there a huge difference between that and the Fox 34?


    Thanks! I actually wasn't really into the blue color until I saw it in the sunlight.
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    [QUOTE=MyForkIsSoDialed;11412260]I plan to upgrade the wheels at some point and obviously the tires as soon as they wear out. Even though it was a demo bike it had barely seen any use. I guess that's one advantage of the XL bikes. Any recommendations on a wheelset?

    I have Derby Wide carbon rims, they're great, probably one of the stiffest wheels out there when you combine the carbon w/ the width and large rim depth. Light Bicycle has a cheaper wide version as well. Carbon and wide is the way to go, and it can be done at a good price. The TBLT can fit it as well. Hubs are more personal preference and how much you want to spend. I like the I9s I have but CK are great, Hadley good, there's others.

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    Pau11y & lstone84,

    Thanks for the advice about the wheels. I had Mavic Crossmax ST's on my 26er, they were decent. Definitely gonna go for carbon this time around.

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    Chain Length

    Quote Originally Posted by norcalsfinest View Post
    Any of you guys who upgraded to XX1/X01, my X01 stuff just came in, wondering what method you guys used to determine chain length.

    Did you go chain ring to 42t, skipping the derailleur, +4 links and the Powerlink?

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    Hi. Just sized my chain a few weeks back & this is how I did it.

    1. Fully compress suspension.
    2. Size the chain front to 42t rear.
    3. Add powerlink +2links (I tried 4 first as per Sram instructions and the chain was too long).
    4. Lock rear dérailleur and fit chain temporarily with an old link to check it all works as it should. A 10 speed link will work fine for this.
    5. Once you are happy fit the 11 speed powerlink making sure it is the right way round.

    Also, before you start, make sure you have the correct powerlink. My chain came with half an 11 speed link and half an 8 speed and I didn't notice until I came to fit it just before a ride. Much frustration ensued.

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    I have ordered the 2015 SC Tallboy LTc R build. Couldn't afford the next build up, anyone have this build and can comment on the forks and how the bike handles, and what the first upgrade or change should be, if any?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Louis View Post
    I have ordered the 2015 SC Tallboy LTc R build. Couldn't afford the next build up, anyone have this build and can comment on the forks and how the bike handles, and what the first upgrade or change should be, if any?
    I would put a Cane Creek DB Inline shock on it. I would also replace the fork. Suspension parts and wheels are going to make the biggest difference.

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    [QUOTE=lstone84;11412887]
    Quote Originally Posted by MyForkIsSoDialed View Post
    I plan to upgrade the wheels at some point and obviously the tires as soon as they wear out. Even though it was a demo bike it had barely seen any use. I guess that's one advantage of the XL bikes. Any recommendations on a wheelset?

    I have Derby Wide carbon rims, they're great, probably one of the stiffest wheels out there when you combine the carbon w/ the width and large rim depth. Light Bicycle has a cheaper wide version as well. Carbon and wide is the way to go, and it can be done at a good price. The TBLT can fit it as well. Hubs are more personal preference and how much you want to spend. I like the I9s I have but CK are great, Hadley good, there's others.
    I concur with the Derby's, I have the HD layup and I love them. As far as hubs, I'm running DT 350s with the 36 star ratchets and I love them. Lighter and cheaper than King.

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    Thank you......

    I will look at those....for now could only afford the R build, so was wondering how that feels, if anyone had one and could post some pics with different angles....all the pics on here are of the mac daddy builds, and the sc website only shows one side view......

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    Thank you......

    I will look at those....for now could only afford the R build, so was wondering how that feels, if anyone had one and could post some pics with different angles....all the pics on here are of the mac daddy builds, and the sc website only shows one side view......
    I had the r build. But I swapped out a lot of the parts immediately. Still don't have a super bling kit, and still have the stock suspension. It'll be fine. You have a great bike that can do a ton of terrain and do it well. Short term, the bars, stem and saddle might need customizing. You could easily go 1x10 and lose all that stuff up front. It's pretty heavy for a carbon bike, with that kit, but it still rides like an SOB.

    Take your time, ride it, and have a ton of fun. Change what you feel like when you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyForkIsSoDialed View Post
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    Ate some Yeti's for lunch on the Colorado Trail today. (horrible joke, but true)
    I only had it for a short time but I loved my SB95C , but after riding my LTC and killing all my trails and setting some KOM's I could not get on the SB, I really have fallen in love with the Tallboy LT.

    I have the blue color also , I am really happy with this bike

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    [QUOTE=kelstr;11424786]I only had it for a short time but I loved my SB95C , but after riding my LTC and killing all my trails and setting some KOM's I could not get on the SB, I really have fallen in love with the Tallboy LT.

    compare and contrast the 2 bikes more? The SB95C was the other option I was considering when buying. How does the rear feel on the SB95C? How does it climb with the steeper HA? I was only able to ride it around a parking lot......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Quint View Post
    I had the r build. But I swapped out a lot of the parts immediately. Still don't have a super bling kit, and still have the stock suspension. It'll be fine. You have a great bike that can do a ton of terrain and do it well. Short term, the bars, stem and saddle might need customizing. You could easily go 1x10 and lose all that stuff up front. It's pretty heavy for a carbon bike, with that kit, but it still rides like an SOB.

    Take your time, ride it, and have a ton of fun. Change what you feel like when you can.
    Thank you, just what I wanted to know....having them put the XX1 chainring up front and a wolftooth 42T on the back to start....I assume bars, stem, seat will be next until I can afford the Pikes :-)

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    Hi all

    Great site and has helped in the decision to take the plunge!!

    Ordered two weeks ago and waiting.

    Just wanted anyone's view on stock tyres that come with uk build.

    Maxxis high roller 2?

    Never used Maxxis was going to go straight to a purgatory but thought it was worth consideration.

    Local trails are South Wales so will be fairly wet, roots, and trail centre type riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelstr View Post
    I only had it for a short time but I loved my SB95C , but after riding my LTC and killing all my trails and setting some KOM's I could not get on the SB, I really have fallen in love with the Tallboy LT.

    compare and contrast the 2 bikes more? The SB95C was the other option I was considering when buying. How does the rear feel on the SB95C? How does it climb with the steeper HA? I was only able to ride it around a parking lot......
    I gotta say the 95 was very good , however Yeti did not try to hide the big wheels in the chassis, that being said the 95 did a good job being a long slack low chassis 29er.
    The biggest problem I had was on nasty hacky technical slow hard effort climbs the switch suspension would stiffen up and the rear wheel could not follow the ground and you would get hung up ....( not to mention the frame and rear section will flex over to the side badly and not help the climbing at all). ( this was a very flexy bike with bad paint )

    I got the bike to rip well at descending fast hack and hitting large drops and jumps but it just can not do it as smooth or as fast as the LTC.

    Then the climbing traction is so good on the LTC and really week on the yeti when you have to get out of the saddle and really push hard on that last little effort you always end up doing, the LTC will drive the wheel into the ground and keep climbing where the Yeti will just spin out .

    Then the LT will hook corners really well , you can steer it with your weight back or you can steer it with you weight forward , and when you loose traction the LT drifts evenly ft and back and you just keep going in control .

    The 95 needed the ft to be weighted heavily to hook , I could not run the short stem I wanted to and the front end was just not as planted as the LT .

    These bikes were XL chassis bikes because I am lanky , both bikes had a 150 mm Pike , ( I could not ride the yeti in 120 mm form it really felt wrong to me , both bikes had XX1 and I9 wheels with the same tires installed and Reverb dropper post

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    I gotta say the 95 was very good , however Yeti did not try to hide the big wheels in the chassis, that being said the 95 did a good job being a long slack low chassis 29er.
    The biggest problem I had was on nasty hacky technical slow hard effort climbs the switch suspension would stiffen up and the rear wheel could not follow the ground and you would get hung up ....( not to mention the frame and rear section will flex over to the side badly and not help the climbing at all). ( this was a very flexy bike with bad paint )

    I got the bike to rip well at descending fast hack and hitting large drops and jumps but it just can not do it as smooth or as fast as the LTC.

    Then the climbing traction is so good on the LTC and really week on the yeti when you have to get out of the saddle and really push hard on that last little effort you always end up doing, the LTC will drive the wheel into the ground and keep climbing where the Yeti will just spin out .

    Then the LT will hook corners really well , you can steer it with your weight back or you can steer it with you weight forward , and when you loose traction the LT drifts evenly ft and back and you just keep going in control .

    The 95 needed the ft to be weighted heavily to hook , I could not run the short stem I wanted to and the front end was just not as planted as the LT .

    These bikes were XL chassis bikes because I am lanky , both bikes had a 150 mm Pike , ( I could not ride the yeti in 120 mm form it really felt wrong to me , both bikes had XX1 and I9 wheels with the same tires installed and Reverb dropper post
    I felt the exact same thing during my demo on the SB95 when climbing, just sort of a dead feeling from the suspension on techy terrain. And I had the same experience when out of the saddle on steep climbs, spun out every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nathan79 View Post
    Hi all

    Great site and has helped in the decision to take the plunge!!

    Ordered two weeks ago and waiting.

    Just wanted anyone's view on stock tyres that come with uk build.

    Maxxis high roller 2?

    Never used Maxxis was going to go straight to a purgatory but thought it was worth consideration.

    Local trails are South Wales so will be fairly wet, roots, and trail centre type riding.
    They're fantastic tires. They hook up really well in the wet, or wherever. The trade off is that they're really heavy and aren't the best rollers (ironically).

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    I need those wheels

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    I am about to demo a TBLTc, but am not really up on the history of this frame.
    Has it remained largely unchanged since 2012 (is that even when it first appeared). I realised they've added internal routing for the seat post, but has there been any major changes.
    I am wondering if maybe a mk2 might be around the corner if it's not been revised for three years- steeper seat angle maybe- slightly slacker- 1x only.
    Any answers or thoughts much appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A MAN CALLED HORSE View Post
    I am about to demo a TBLTc, but am not really up on the history of this frame.
    Has it remained largely unchanged since 2012 (is that even when it first appeared). I realised they've added internal routing for the seat post, but has there been any major changes.
    I am wondering if maybe a mk2 might be around the corner if it's not been revised for three years- steeper seat angle maybe- slightly slacker- 1x only.
    Any answers or thoughts much appreciated.
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    mk2? What am I missing here? I'm planning on a new bike next spring and the short list is the TBLTc and Pivot 429c. Is the TBLTc going to be revised next season?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev Bubba View Post
    Is the TBLTc going to be revised next season?
    A hint that might suggest this is Chainlove was clearing out TBLTc frames. BUT, they were all from the MY where there wasn't a stealth dropper port...all the ones w/ the stealth ports were not cleared out.

    If SC does change things on the TBLTc, I hope the Nomad-ize the lower link.

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    If the LTc is changed next year it will probably be minor similar to the current TB2 over the TB1. I wouldn't worry about it , most buyers of the LTc really like the bike now. Some of us do tinker with components but not really out of necessity IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Quint View Post
    They're fantastic tires. They hook up really well in the wet, or wherever. The trade off is that they're really heavy and aren't the best rollers (ironically).
    That was my concern. Couldn't afford the Carbon rims at the moment so wanted to give the WTB frequency team the best chance with a tyre that's not too heavy.

    It's a how long is a piece of string question really but in view of the comments on here regarding the performance of carbon rims/wheel weight on the larger wheels think it may make quite a big difference

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    The TB LTc is an amazing bike.

    I've had a few issues mostly related to the Fox rear shock, so that is not really the frame's fault. When measuring travel, axle path, point to point, I'm only getting 120mm rear travel. The rear suspension feels just about that. Once I accepted that all is good.

    The bike is not an AM machine, despite how is was originally marketed, or despite people trying to force it to accommodate 160mm forks.

    What I've found it to be is the best trail bike I've ever owned. It rules everything between xc race and AM. The bike is also the fastest bike I've ever owned short of xc racing rigs.

    The only thing I'd change on this bike is the chain stay length. It's too long but 90% of the time riding it is a non-issue. It does help keep the bike's front end planted on climbs, so the bike is an incredible climber as well.

    So, unless they plan on shortening the chain stays I would not change anything.

    The front end is plenty slack for a 29er and for what the rear suspension can handle.

    Steep seat tube angles are for road bikes. On a mtb the are ok for pedaling straight up, or if the seat is dropped going straight down. For pedally, techy sections steep seat tube angles put you high up on the bike, not it the bike. Also, a slacker STA, on a 29er with its longer stays helps keep you weight centered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fruitafrank View Post
    If the LTc is changed next year it will probably be minor similar to the current TB2 over the TB1. I wouldn't worry about it , most buyers of the LTc really like the bike now. Some of us do tinker with components but not really out of necessity IMO.
    This. The TB 2 is barely different at all from the TB1. All bikes will get "updated". Manufacturers need to do it to keep up the hype and the image of being cutting edge.

    If you are worried about your bike being outdated, then don't ever buy one, because it is inevitable that something is going to change as soon as you buy it.

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    Having ridden a TB1 for 2 years and now a TB2 for 8 months there is a difference in how they pedal and climb. The changes may be slight but the overall handling is diff. There was a noticeable mid-stroke wallow in the TB1 and more pedal strikes because of this. The 2 is stiffer laterally and the pedaling firmer. I have several friends with the TB1 and you can easily see the increased thickness of the connecting strut and feel it in the frame. I think that SC tried several changes but settled on minor improvements. The LTc has been very popular so I would doubt they would stray to far from the original.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J View Post
    The TB LTc is an amazing bike.

    I've had a few issues mostly related to the Fox rear shock, so that is not really the frame's fault. When measuring travel, axle path, point to point, I'm only getting 120mm rear travel. The rear suspension feels just about that. Once I accepted that all is good.

    The bike is not an AM machine, despite how is was originally marketed, or despite people trying to force it to accommodate 160mm forks.

    What I've found it to be is the best trail bike I've ever owned. It rules everything between xc race and AM. The bike is also the fastest bike I've ever owned short of xc racing rigs.

    The only thing I'd change on this bike is the chain stay length. It's too long but 90% of the time riding it is a non-issue. It does help keep the bike's front end planted on climbs, so the bike is an incredible climber as well.

    So, unless they plan on shortening the chain stays I would not change anything.

    The front end is plenty slack for a 29er and for what the rear suspension can handle.

    Steep seat tube angles are for road bikes. On a mtb the are ok for pedaling straight up, or if the seat is dropped going straight down. For pedally, techy sections steep seat tube angles put you high up on the bike, not it the bike. Also, a slacker STA, on a 29er with its longer stays helps keep you weight centered.
    I am also really impressed with the LTC, I spent months riding all the top high end bikes and I can honestly say that if SC changed any little bit of the GEO the bike would loose its magic .

    GEO is a mixed bag of tricks and its not easy to get numbers that actually work together as a whole.

    I wrote the LTC GEO off acoupple years ago and did not even ride the bike because of the numbers. ( Big Mistake On My Part )

    I just had to have a short CS , Steeper ST angle , slacker head tube .......boy was I wrong.
    The Specialized S-Works Enduro really did not work well at all , the thing turned really heavy and slow, and of course the HL pedaled like crap and I tried to like it but it just was not working, ( The LTC just killed the Enduro ), along with all the other high end bikes and all I really have to ride here is all steep Hacky AM Riding .

    Also I measured my rear end travel with the air can off my shock like I do as a starting point on every bike I get and I could get 137mm of travel with the bottom out bumper smashed 1/2 way .......it can go more .(So I would think its gotta be a shock issue I would assume )

    So I really would not want to change anything on this GEO

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    I believe the difference is in the shock than anything else.
    I have mine tuned by push for my weight and the mid stroke support is much better. The whole bike feels very different in a good way.
    I think Santa Cruz has changed the tune of the shock on the TB2 as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J View Post
    The TB LTc is an amazing bike.

    I've had a few issues mostly related to the Fox rear shock, so that is not really the frame's fault. When measuring travel, axle path, point to point, I'm only getting 120mm rear travel. The rear suspension feels just about that. Once I accepted that all is good.

    The bike is not an AM machine, despite how is was originally marketed, or despite people trying to force it to accommodate 160mm forks.

    What I've found it to be is the best trail bike I've ever owned. It rules everything between xc race and AM.
    This.

    This bike has 135mm of rear wheel travel. 160mm forks? Really?

    I like balanced bikes. This is going to be my long distance, murderous trail-yet-still-lightweight bike. If I did my math right, it will come out under 25lbs. I'm 145lbs (former XC pro, soon to be again); this thing doesn't need to be built like a tank to survive rough use under my weight.

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    i replaced the fox with the DB inline and it rocks!
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    Thanks. I'm still curious what "mk2". To what does that refer? Though I owned and loved a Chameleon and have ridden early Heckers and Blurs, the term doesn't ring a bell with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev Bubba View Post
    Thanks. I'm still curious what "mk2". To what does that refer? Though I owned and loved a Chameleon and have ridden early Heckers and Blurs, the term doesn't ring a bell with me.
    Basically a generic term for the second revision of something as in Mark2.

    It's not a SC term.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev Bubba View Post
    Thanks. I'm still curious what "mk2". To what does that refer? Though I owned and loved a Chameleon and have ridden early Heckers and Blurs, the term doesn't ring a bell with me.
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    Nope. However, what do you think of Peter Capaldi as the Doctor? Anyway, what is "mk2"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    Basically a generic term for the second revision of something as in Mark2.

    It's not a SC term.
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    Nope. However, what do you think of Peter Capaldi as the Doctor? Anyway, what is "mk2"?
    Answered two posts above...

    Mark 2, Mod 2, etc. all mean the second iteration of something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev Bubba View Post
    Nope. However, what do you think of Peter Capaldi as the Doctor? Anyway, what is "mk2"?
    I like the darker Doctor lots! But I read somewhere he's gonna be only a one season Doctor.

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    Le Duke. Thank you. I should have picked up on that but kept trying to fit "mk2" into a SC offering. I.E. TB2 or something like that.

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    There are rumblings (wishes?) that SC will make three versions of the TB for next year, like they did with the Blur. XC, TR, and LT. The first two essentially updates if current offerings, the last a 150mm+ travel beast. No one has seen anything to substantiate this, though.


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    That's like the rumors of the Pivot 529c. It seems there is plenty of interest but Pivot is going with 27.5" for longer travel. That's why the TBLTc is so attractive to me. I get the 29" wheel and the longer travel I want to try in one proven package.

    Personally, if SC came out with another TB, my money would be on the less expensive carbon frame available for other models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post

    If SC does change things on the TBLTc, I hope the Nomad-ize the lower link.
    Why?

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    Why?
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    Swapped the CTD for a Monarch Plus RC3 Debonair. Still playing with it, but it requires much higher pressure to achieve similar sag to the Fox. I am 175 lbs naked and running 240psi for about 30% sag, and using about 45mm of shock stroke. It feels better than the Fox in that it has great mid-stroke support, but I wouldn't call it "plush" like the Float X that I rode on a Mach 6. The best way to describe how it feels is that I don't really notice it at all as it is very well controlled and doesn't blow through its travel. I'm curious if it could be tuned more appropriately for the LTc though.

    The most interesting thing about the Monarch is that it is clearly labelled 200x51 but appears to me to be a travel-limited 200x57 unit. It clearly has close to 60mm of exposed stroke, but with no air in the can will only use 50ish of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcc383 View Post
    The most interesting thing about the Monarch is that it is clearly labelled 200x51 but appears to me to be a travel-limited 200x57 unit. It clearly has close to 60mm of exposed stroke, but with no air in the can will only use 50ish of it.
    Fox do exactly the same thing. They use a deeper seal head to create a 200x51mm shock.

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    Drive train upgrade

    My last ride I had a mini scorpion moment and destroyed my XT shifter. Took the opportunity to donate my XT shadow plus midcage to my lady's Giant Intrigue and got her a OneUp 42t and RAD cage, as well as upgrade my own drivetrain.

    Swapped up to:

    X1 shifter unit (identical to X01, with a small weight penalty)
    X1 rear derailleur (also identical to X01, just with aluminum outer cage for a whopping 4 gram hit)
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    Took the rig to Northstar again this weekend and the drivetrain and bike were flawless. Highly recommend the X1 shifter and derailleur, I'll take 40 gram penalty for huge money savings and dead even performance.
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    I was able to pick up my 2015 Tallboy LTc from BikeBling in San Diego. They had one of each frame size in stock and built up a couple for me to demo (L vs. XL). Luckily the XL was in the color combination that I wanted. Matte carbon with tennis ball yellow is one funky and fun combination.

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    I have a like new Fox Float ctd kashima shock I'm selling. Off my new LTc.
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    This last weekend I got to try out my brand new 2015 TB LTc. I had been riding a 2006 Epic for the last several years. I have upgraded the bike over the years, but it was still running a triple drive train and 26" wheels. I am just over 6 foot tall, so I thought a 29er would be a nice upgrade. This is what I put on the frame:

    SC TB LTc size Large
    Pike RC3 140mm x 40mm
    Cane Creek 40 series headset
    Thompson X4 stem 70mm
    Enve Sweep carbon bar
    Lizard skin Moab grips
    Thompson Covert Elite Seatpost
    Sele Italia SLR XC Flow saddle
    XTR trail brakes
    XT rotors 180f, 160r
    Stans ZTR Arch EX 29" wheels
    Maxis Ardent EXO 2.4 tires
    SRAM GXP bottom bracket
    SRAM XX1 crankset, 28 tooth chainring
    SRAM XX1 11 speed derailleur, shifter
    SRAM XX1 cassette, chain
    Shimano XT 780 pedals

    I found out the tires are not tubeless comparable, so I will ride them this winter weather permitting and change them out in the spring for some Knobby Nics. I was planning on putting them on, but they were out of stock at my dealer.

    I have a local ride that is mostly single track just outside my home. my best time on my old bike was 1:20. On my first ride this weekend I shaved 10 minutes off that time. On my ride yesterday, I shaved another 10 minutes. Bike rides great and rolls over a lot of stuff that I was chicken to do with my Epic.

    I am thinking about changing the rear shock to the DB inline, and I will likely upgrade the wheels soon with a set of ENVE's

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    also how do you guys like the 1x11 compared to a one up 42t 1x10 setup?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ski patroller View Post

    I found out the tires are not tubeless comparable, so I will ride them this winter weather permitting and change them out in the spring for some Knobby Nics. I was planning on putting them on, but they were out of stock at my dealer.

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    I don't know what your local terrain is like, but I would not run the Nobby Nic as a front tire, it is very vague in transition, washout happy and the cornering knobs have a tendency to fold under weight loading, at least under my 225 or so pound 6'5 frame.

    As a rear, I did like the Nic, but not on the majority of my local Northern California terrain. Everything near me is very rocky, and the Nic tended to get destroyed to bits very quickly, even for a schwalbe, and did not offer the best of traction on rocky climbs. I may try it again this winter out back, with a Hans Dampf or Magic Mary front, but we shall see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonesy22 View Post
    also how do you guys like the 1x11 compared to a one up 42t 1x10 setup?
    I like the 1x11 more because it gives you a wider range.

    Not a big deal if you don't need the range, But if you do it is well worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by norcalsfinest View Post
    I don't know what your local terrain is like, but I would not run the Nobby Nic as a front tire, it is very vague in transition, washout happy and the cornering knobs have a tendency to fold under weight loading, at least under my 225 or so pound 6'5 frame.

    As a rear, I did like the Nic, but not on the majority of my local Northern California terrain. Everything near me is very rocky, and the Nic tended to get destroyed to bits very quickly, even for a schwalbe, and did not offer the best of traction on rocky climbs. I may try it again this winter out back, with a Hans Dampf or Magic Mary front, but we shall see.
    There are just too many differences between my Epic and my Tallboy for me to know how much of the improvement in ride is due to the wheel size, tires, suspension, etc. I was riding most of this fall on a set of Purgatories on both the front and back. I used to run a narrower tire in the back, but I preferred the grip of the wider tire. It just felt more secure with the 26" wheels. I want a light tire that grips well. I don't mind loosing some rolling resistance to get better grip in varied conditions. Mostly dry single track in the central Idaho mountains with some old forest road double track. Some rock, some loose dust in the corners.

    There is definitely an improvement with the larger wheel. I am running the same Arch's in 26" on my Epic. That and the brakes are about the only things the same between the bikes. The suspension even with the Fox on the rear is night and day better than the stock Epic with the brain. In the trail setting I can get out of the saddle and not bounce all over the place. Its certainly better if I lock it out, but I could not even think about it on my old bike unless both ends were locked out.

    I am still getting things dialed in. I may try and lower the pressure in the Pike and add a token to see if I like that better. I am currently at 85lbs. I have not made any changes to the low speed yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ski patroller View Post
    This last weekend I got to try out my brand new 2015 TB LTc. I had been riding a 2006 Epic for the last several years. I have upgraded the bike over the years, but it was still running a triple drive train and 26" wheels. I am just over 6 foot tall, so I thought a 29er would be a nice upgrade. This is what I put on the frame:

    SC TB LTc size Large
    Pike RC3 140mm x 40mm
    Cane Creek 40 series headset
    Thompson X4 stem 70mm
    Enve Sweep carbon bar
    Lizard skin Moab grips
    Thompson Covert Elite Seatpost
    Sele Italia SLR XC Flow saddle
    XTR trail brakes
    XT rotors 180f, 160r
    Stans ZTR Arch EX 29" wheels
    Maxis Ardent EXO 2.4 tires
    SRAM GXP bottom bracket
    SRAM XX1 crankset, 28 tooth chainring
    SRAM XX1 11 speed derailleur, shifter
    SRAM XX1 cassette, chain
    Shimano XT 780 pedals

    I found out the tires are not tubeless comparable, so I will ride them this winter weather permitting and change them out in the spring for some Knobby Nics. I was planning on putting them on, but they were out of stock at my dealer.

    I have a local ride that is mostly single track just outside my home. my best time on my old bike was 1:20. On my first ride this weekend I shaved 10 minutes off that time. On my ride yesterday, I shaved another 10 minutes. Bike rides great and rolls over a lot of stuff that I was chicken to do with my Epic.

    I am thinking about changing the rear shock to the DB inline, and I will likely upgrade the wheels soon with a set of ENVE's

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    i run these tires tubeless without problem for a long time. Watch out for the handlebar lever on the thomson elite, it is not designed well and the cable will bust periodically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    I like the 1x11 more because it gives you a wider range.

    Not a big deal if you don't need the range, But if you do it is well worth it.
    The range difference is 1 tooth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    The range difference is 1 tooth.
    Yes but 1 tooth going from 11 to 10 is a significant increase in range.

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    Give is the details. Endo into rock strike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by p8ntsean55 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNormsk View Post
    Yes but 1 tooth going from 11 to 10 is a significant increase in range.
    Ok, good point.

    If you start with a 32T ring and 11T cog, dropping to a 10T is equivalent to adding 3 teeth to your chainring.

    Gear inches on a 29er

    32x11= 84.4
    32x10 = 92.8
    35x11 = 92.3

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    Dude, you're getting a new frame! Got your colors figured out?

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    Cool-blue Rhythm Finally Joined the Club.....happy........

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    Are those tires the 2.4 HRIIs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Are those tires the 2.4 HRIIs?
    I believe the front is, and the rear is the maxxis ardent 29

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