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    Yeah, that vid is rad. Just unbelievable what this guy does. He could do that on a wal-mart bike probably too.

    Now, does anyone manage manuals like that on a Tallboy LTC? Is it possible?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J View Post
    Anyone not happy with their TB LTc?
    I have found my TB LTc to be too much fun. Also, it likes to go too fast. This weekend, I was cutting around a waterbar at a higher speed than usual when I cut back too quick and caught my far too grippy Hans Dampf front tire on the edge of the log, locking up the front wheel, and sending me shoulder first into the base of an oak tree. Now my shoulder (see below) looks a tiger from the tree bark stamped into it and I feel like I was run over by a truck. Worst part is the bike was completely undamaged which means I'll be riding again as soon as the swelling goes down in my shoulder, back and neck. My next bike will definitely need to be less fun as at almost 44 I'm getting too old for this.

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    Miker J the TBLTc for me is the best all around do everything bike of the too many I have owned or demod.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Znarf View Post
    I am in the Same boat. I want to buy one in summer, too.
    Only possible gripe I see are the relatively long chain stays.
    I am on the fence if I should buy a Blur TRC instead, to get a super nimble bike.
    I just don't know if I could go back to a 26er.

    As I really like the climbing ability, rollover and speed of my Stumpjumper FSR 29er.
    It's just the front wheel which fights me when manualing or doing wheelies. It really doesn't want to leave the ground. I mean it does, but I have to pull and fight like a mad man.
    But that's an XL frame, which is a bit big for me, too.

    I'd go to a large Tallboy LTC. Maybe it is a bit more nimble?

    Does anyone here manage long manuals on his Tallboy LTC?
    I know it's 90% ability and not the bike, but I wonder?

    Greetings Znarf
    This will be my 3rd season on my Stumpy 29er. Really like the bike and plan on keeping it. I find it wheelies very easily, which i like for tech riding. Without starting a suspension debate thread, the FSR does not have much anti-squat. Theoretically I'd say the TB with the VPP should be a bit more difficult to pop up. I know my Niner is much more of a challenge to wheelie. Bikes with less anti-squat drop their back end a bit under power, in general, making them easier to wheelie. Then again, the TB LTc has a slack STA, which might change things a bit. Speculation of course.

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    Hm...

    I do manage wheelies on my FSR and I really like it. The XL frame is really long though. All in all, when comparing numbers it is pretty comparable to the LTC, except that the seat angle on the LTC is slacker and the FSR is heavier. At least in its 2011 alloy version.

    Maybe I should treat myself with a nice carbon wheel set instead of a Tallboy frame.

    And get a value park dh rig...

    Bt the Tallboy LOOKS so good :-)

    Greetings Znarf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J View Post
    Anyone not happy with their TB LTc?

    Been up-down-all round as to what will be my next rig and pretty sure I've settled on a TB LTc for this summer.

    I'd like to tease out any potential negatives and weight them in before buying.

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    On the whole I love the bike. The only criticism I have at the moment are the tractor tires I have on it at the moment. I put some 29x2.35 Hans Dampf on it and while the tires are amazing in thir toughness and grip I noticed that they have significantly slowed me now. I do find that I seem to be adversely affected in my cycling performance by the weight of the wheel.

    When there is no more chance of snow I think I will be going back to Ikons and I will probably be happy again. But perhaps not...

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    The bike is finally here

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    The LTc really is a sick bike.

    Here's a list of full suspension bikes that I've either owned or demoed (worked at bike shops so demoed bikes multiple times, not just once)
    o=owned
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    Cannondale Raven II o
    Cannondale Jekyll (version 1.0) o
    '10 Spec SJ FSR Expert 26er o
    '10 Trek Remedy 9 o
    '10 Trek Fuel EX 8 d
    '10 Trek Top Fuel Carbon d
    '11 Specialized SJ Carbon Pro 26er o
    '12 Santa Cruz Blur TRc d
    '11 Specialized Expert Epic 29er d
    '12 Specialized SJ Comp 29er d
    '12 Santa Cruz TB al d
    '12 Yeti SB-66 d

    The only bike that came remotely close to how well my LTc rides is the Remedy, and it's a distant second.

    All of the bikes I have owned were sold after about a year or two of riding in order to "upgrade" to the next bike (perk of working in a LBS).

    The LTc is the first bike I do not ever want to sell.

    BTW, the SJ's and the Remedy had a head angle of 68 degrees and I believe the yeti is 67.

    The LTc even at 69.5 is so much more capable at descending technical steep trails than any of those bikes.

    As far as the comment about how SC should've put the LT in the CC category, I agree as far as climbing goes, but It's Full AM on the descents IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dustman View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlx john View Post
    As far as the comment about how SC should've put the LT in the CC category, I agree as far as climbing goes, but It's Full AM on the descents IMO.
    Good to hear to are digging your new wheels...

    If you think the LT good at 69.5 you should try it at 68. I was really hesitant dropping $120 on the Works angleset since I didn't think 1.5 degrees would make that much of a difference but it is by far the best mod. At 68 degrees the LT really becomes an AM bike and it is much easier to ride the steep gnarly trails without the twitchiness. For me this really becomes more apparent when I start to get tired and it makes the ride less stressful. Can't recommend it enough.

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    LTc after I built it and still lovin it in all seasons!!

    setup with the XTR build, swapped a cross mark rear for all the smooth ride time and road time between home and trail, but think that will be short lived, just too loose on the kitty litter we ride around here. Overall love the ride, may shorten the stem and go with some lighter hoops this summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wyoerik View Post
    not sure why the pics got flipped
    Perhaps you live in Australia?
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    In case anyone is interested, my TBLT protection plate ad url has been updated: Rock protection for Santa Cruz and Niner frames - Buy and Sell and Review Mountain Bikes and Accessories


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    Tallboy LT and LTc Owners Thread

    Cyote, I'd like one for my TBLT....(had one on my TB a couple years ago)...but before I do....

    I'd like to see an increase of the width of the protector, paticularly of the downtube strip...to be at least the diameter of the downtube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gripo View Post
    Cyote, I'd like one for my TBLT....(had one on my TB a couple years ago)...but before I do....

    I'd like to see an increase of the width of the protector, paticularly of the downtube strip...to be at least the diameter of the downtube.
    The older TB plate was flat and not as wide on the down tube. The current TB and TBLT plates are wider and curve around the down tube.

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    Hi cytoe

    Just a question, I ordered on for my TB LTc a couple of months ago. Not sure if it's part of a design change but the one that I have has slots where the mounting bolts go instead of just holes for the bolts. Is this part of a re design?

    Thanks

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    Tallboy LT and LTc Owners Thread

    Compared to the photo above of your LT plate I'd prefer that it wrapped right around the downtube to at least cover the stock "carbon weave", if not a little wider.

    Also if would be great if it extended 1-2" higher up the downtube.

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    ronyc, good eye! Actually, the mounting slots are on the current plates. The TBLTc plate picture in my ad is old (only the mounting slots vs holes are different). I'll update it as soon as I can get another picture taken.

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    I just got my bike the other day ( pic above), and because it is cold as balls outside, I am trying to fine tune everything on the bike. I have a rubbing sound coming from the front brake (shimano XT). I have been trying to get the brak/brake pad situated just right to have no rubbing but it seems like it is going to rub a little no matter what. Is this normal or should it be completly free of noise? The bike has 0 miles on it an I havent really "got on" the brake at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dustman View Post
    I just got my bike the other day ( pic above), and because it is cold as balls outside, I am trying to fine tune everything on the bike. I have a rubbing sound coming from the front brake (shimano XT). I have been trying to get the brak/brake pad situated just right to have no rubbing but it seems like it is going to rub a little no matter what. Is this normal or should it be completly free of noise? The bike has 0 miles on it an I havent really "got on" the brake at all.
    Have you tried to push the pistons in then resetting them by squeezing the lever a few times?

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    No for the XT's this is not normal, they do not rub, they are the quiet brakes. Go to the LBS and have them look at it.

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    Oh just go ahead and ride it. If it is still there after a few rides then start adjusting. Great brakes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phatass View Post
    Oh just go ahead and ride it. If it is still there after a few rides then start adjusting. Great brakes!
    ^^^^ That is advise I can live with. I am so excited about the bike that I am probably going to screw it up before I ride it!!!

    Thanks to everyone who replied, great info.

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    Tallboy LT and LTc Owners Thread

    I had some rubbing on my XT brakes when I first got it. These days I don't notice it so I presume it has gone away.

    So yes ride your bike and if it still runs after a while get it checked. It may just need bedding in.

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    I've just installed new XT, no noise when I move the wheel. BUT when I jam on the brakes I had that "brake howl" and it has taken about 6 rides and it is better but still howling. My other bike has the deore brakes with resin pads this is by far better than my XT. So I will run it for a while more then I hope things will. Improve.

    Another issue I'm having is with my forks. I get different sag readings when I have the low compression adjust on firm and soft, basically the same as climb and decend on CTD. Any ideas out there?

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    Tallboy LT and LTc Owners Thread

    Shouldn't get any brake noise with these brakes. Only happens to me when the pads/rotor need cleaning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mestapho View Post
    Shouldn't get any brake noise with these brakes. Only happens to me when the pads/rotor need cleaning.
    Bingo. Only time these brakes have ever howled on me is when they got brake fluid on them.

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    ya im pretty confident that there is no fluid on the brakes, however they were new out of the box and there may have been either machining fluid or packaging protection film on them. i will give it another clean.

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    new gen brakes...on all my XT/XTR sets over the last 18mths I've had either brake fluid seep from around the pistons or the complete failure of the brake hose at the caliper end (banjo crimp).

    As great as the power of Shimano's brakes are I've given up...as I'm not prepared to spend $40 on a Goodridge hose to fix a factory fault, then to have the pistons seals seep and contaminate the brake pads.

    Sorry Shimano...fail

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    You're not lucky my friend, I have had my set for over 500km without changing pads. Non ice tech as well.

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    The howl is done... I took the disks off and worked the brake face with P1000 3M wetordry paper. I used it wet and basically just took the shine off. When it is done there was a nice uniform bead of water on the face which indicates free of oil etc. The pads I worked with 3M P360 wetordry but did it dry. Then cleaned them off with an aerosol brake cleaner..... bang it back together.... perfect...!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gripo View Post
    Beaware of Shimano's s
    new gen brakes...on all my XT/XTR sets over the last 18mths I've had either brake fluid seep from around the pistons or the complete failure of the brake hose at the caliper end (banjo crimp).
    Had a rear XTR M988 MC start to puke oil out of the pressure relief port. Off it went to Shimano...
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    How often do you grease the bottom linkage?
    How do you know when "it needs it"?

    Thanks......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gripo View Post
    Beaware of Shimano's s
    new gen brakes...on all my XT/XTR sets over the last 18mths I've had either brake fluid seep from around the pistons or the complete failure of the brake hose at the caliper end (banjo crimp).

    As great as the power of Shimano's brakes are I've given up...as I'm not prepared to spend $40 on a Goodridge hose to fix a factory fault, then to have the pistons seals seep and contaminate the brake pads.

    Sorry Shimano...fail
    Hmmm. I was wondering why my front XTR keeps stopping working. I've bled it three times already. It's like fluid is leaking out of somewhere but I can't trace anything leaking. Weird. And I spent max $$ on them thinking they were the best

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    Quote Originally Posted by reamer41 View Post
    How often do you grease the bottom linkage?
    How do you know when "it needs it"?

    Thanks......
    Also keen to know the answer to this question... Nothing in the instructions that came with the bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigwheelsRbest View Post
    Also keen to know the answer to this question... Nothing in the instructions that came with the bike!
    I was advised to re-grease if you have been through a lot of water crossings, mud, or excessively dusty trails. Otherwise you don't need to unless you start to hear some creaking of noise coming from them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reamer41 View Post
    How often do you grease the bottom linkage?
    How do you know when "it needs it"?

    Thanks......
    I was advised that in our area (which is very dry) that I would only need to do it once a year.

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    I will soon convert from 3 x 10 to 2 x 10 (22 & 36t).
    Shortening the chain will be in order. Can anyone advise where in the suspension stroke will the chain be longest?

    I will do the big cog- big ring + 2 links, but I don't know how much chain growth there is on this bike. Is it even a factor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reamer41 View Post
    I will soon convert from 3 x 10 to 2 x 10 (22 & 36t).
    Shortening the chain will be in order. Can anyone advise where in the suspension stroke will the chain be longest?

    I will do the big cog- big ring + 2 links, but I don't know how much chain growth there is on this bike. Is it even a factor?

    Thanks


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    Safest way is to either let the air out of the shock or undo one shock bolt and put the rear tire into full travel and then with the chain
    on the big/big combo determine where to set the chain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mestapho View Post
    Safest way is to either let the air out of the shock or undo one shock bolt and put the rear tire into full travel and then with the chain
    on the big/big combo determine where to set the chain.
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    Just a note on that big big + 2. I ended up big big + 4 and a quick link. A short chain played havoc with the alignment of the lower cog on rear derailer. Adjust the tensioner accordingly. It works a dream now. I also had the spacer on the right side of the BB and this did not work well either, took it out and put the spacer on the Left. I.e.: XT gear.

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    Tallboy LT and LTc Owners Thread

    There are thousands like it but this one is mine.Tallboy LT and LTc Owners Thread-imageuploadedbytapatalk1362442862.195311.jpg


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    I like those wheels. What is the total weight? What crank have you got on there?

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    I just plain love my LTc.

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    26.75 lbs



    Waiting for the RockShox answer to the 34 to come out since I'm completely unimpressed by my current shocks. Also considering getting a Double Barrel air or a Monarch Plus RC3. Any input on that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SLIP TIP View Post
    I like those wheels. What is the total weight? What crank have you got on there?
    The wheels are Mavic SLRs with 2.35 and 2.25NNs. The cranks are XT with a 28t Widgit.
    Weight is 27.8lbs (with a KS lev)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just Zach View Post
    I just plain love my LTc.

    XX1
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    Enve wheels, DH bar, stem
    2.35 Nobby Nics
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    34 Talas fork

    26.75 lbs



    Waiting for the RockShox answer to the 34 to come out since I'm completely unimpressed by my current shocks. Also considering getting a Double Barrel air or a Monarch Plus RC3. Any input on that?
    Beautiful! Where did you get those decals for your Enves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alannzulu View Post
    Beautiful! Where did you get those decals for your Enves?
    Thanks. You can order them custom from an Enve dealer.

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    My new LTc

    After 3 Yeti's in a row I have switched to Santa Cruz and a 29er. I am sure this bike has been on here numerous times, but this one is my toy!

    2013 LTc. Kashima on shock & fork. XT Grupo (2x10) with the WTB Frequency wheels on the DT Swiss 350 hubs. KS Supernatural dropper. E13 Bashguard/roller combo. Haven't weight it yet but it should be less than 28.

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    I put carbon bars on mine, the SPXAM 2x10 just like yours but yellow, took the tubes out but have no dropper. It comes in at 29lbs4oz. I was hoping for 27 but I don't see that happening. I got about 30-40 miles on it this weekend and really like it so far. Mostly dirt roads and really mild trail so far the doctor hasn't turned me loose to go back on the trails yet, I had surgery for seperated shoulder in November. I will post pics of my ride this week too. Its really smooth compaired to the al jet9 I have been on for a couple of years. I am interested in climbing P3 and Stanley gap to see how it handles the steep stuff. I know it is going to be way better down hill than the niner is. Its a sweet bike you have there!!

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    Follow up on the issue about setting SAG. I got a reply from FOX, fancy that, and this is what they say.

    "When setting sag you will always want your suspension in the most open compression setting possible to isolate just the air spring. On this shock this would be the descend position."

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