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    I own a 2011 S/C TallBoy carbon with Fox 32 Talas 29er fork - I leave it in the 120mm setting ... I can't say enough Great things about this bike ... I have a S/C TallBoy LTc coming ... If, I could only have One bike, I would go 2012 S/C TallBoy LTc all the way !!! No Question !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by max_croft View Post
    Hey guys. I'm ready to pull the trigger on a tallboy, but I can't decide which one. The Tallboy C or the LTc. I'm only allowed one bike, which of the two is the most versatile? For those who own/have ridden both. If you had your choice, which way would you go and why? I know this might sound like a really vague question, but I've been through the pros and cons on each in my own head for far too long. I need a new perspective. Thanks guys.
    Pfff... easy one! Trade-in (return) the chic who'd only let you have one bike, save some moneys and get a LTc and keep your C. Problem solved
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    Quote Originally Posted by BIGME View Post
    Probably going to be hard to get unbiased recomendations in the LT ownersthread. That being said LT all the way
    Oh crap! I had the "Tallboy vs. Tallboy LT" thread open and this one in the other tab and mixed them up.

    Quote Originally Posted by jazzanova View Post
    You need to give a little more info. Where do you ride? What kind of riding do you mostly do? XC or AM?
    In the past, I mainly rode AM/FR sort of bikes. I enjoyed dropping off big stuff. I haven't been proper riding for about 3 years due to a basketball injury. In that time, I've ridden a few bikes that my friends own which is what convinced me that I'd really like a 29er. I'm no longer interested in riding only big stuff and I'm really glad to be getting away from those heavy bikes. Now, I enjoy a mix of fast and flowy singletrack as well as the more technical/big rocks and root stuff too. This is why the 29er was a no brainer as I'm not doing super tight stuff so I'm not going to miss my 26" wheels.

    Until the LT was announced, I had my heart set on the Tallboy. But then the reports of the LT suggested that it was just as nimble, climbed just as well and had a more plush ride started to give me doubts. By the sounds of it, it comes across as being more of a Tallboy version 2. I guess I'm just trying to find out if that's an accurate claim. I guess since about 80% of my riding will be XC kinda stuff, the Tallboy seems the clear winner. Yet I keep hearing about how the LT does everything the Tallboy does only better, argh, I keep going in circles. Ultimately, I want/enjoy a plush comfortable ride but I still want it to be quick on the flat stuff as well as a good climber. By all accounts the LT seems like it does it all, but I just don't want to make the wrong choice.

    I suppose if I could get more feedback from riders of either what they think the strengths and weaknesses are, it could help me finalise my decision. I'm able to demo a standard Tallboy, but not the LT which makes things a bit harder. Damn you Santa Cruz, why could you have just made the LT strictly an AM bike and made it really heavy and ride like a pig

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    Quote Originally Posted by max_croft View Post
    Oh crap! I had the "Tallboy vs. Tallboy LT" thread open and this one in the other tab and mixed them up.



    In the past, I mainly rode AM/FR sort of bikes. I enjoyed dropping off big stuff. I haven't been proper riding for about 3 years due to a basketball injury. In that time, I've ridden a few bikes that my friends own which is what convinced me that I'd really like a 29er. I'm no longer interested in riding only big stuff and I'm really glad to be getting away from those heavy bikes. Now, I enjoy a mix of fast and flowy singletrack as well as the more technical/big rocks and root stuff too. This is why the 29er was a no brainer as I'm not doing super tight stuff so I'm not going to miss my 26" wheels.

    Until the LT was announced, I had my heart set on the Tallboy. But then the reports of the LT suggested that it was just as nimble, climbed just as well and had a more plush ride started to give me doubts. By the sounds of it, it comes across as being more of a Tallboy version 2. I guess I'm just trying to find out if that's an accurate claim. I guess since about 80% of my riding will be XC kinda stuff, the Tallboy seems the clear winner. Yet I keep hearing about how the LT does everything the Tallboy does only better, argh, I keep going in circles. Ultimately, I want/enjoy a plush comfortable ride but I still want it to be quick on the flat stuff as well as a good climber. By all accounts the LT seems like it does it all, but I just don't want to make the wrong choice.

    I suppose if I could get more feedback from riders of either what they think the strengths and weaknesses are, it could help me finalise my decision. I'm able to demo a standard Tallboy, but not the LT which makes things a bit harder. Damn you Santa Cruz, why could you have just made the LT strictly an AM bike and made it really heavy and ride like a pig
    Man, you only live once, so splurge and get the LTc and make many faces as you "have multiples" in your bike shorts! I'm gonna...this winter! Starting to collect bits now...142 rear King axle, researching a LOT on those cheap carbon rims, checking on the White Bros Loop 29er 140mm fork... Next, research on mixing 9spd 34/22 front rings w/ 10spd 11-36 stack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzanova View Post
    But, the LT is going to be heavier, specially the 140mm fork, and also the frame.
    I've read in multiple places (launch articles) that the LTc frame is actually lighter than the regular TBc frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CraigH View Post
    I've read in multiple places (launch articles) that the LTc frame is actually lighter than the regular TBc frame.
    You are right. I checked the SC site and the LT frame should really be a bit lighter.
    Another + for the LT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfas View Post
    One for Portugal

    which size is it? noooo nice

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Pfff... easy one! Trade-in (return) the chic who'd only let you have one bike, save some moneys and get a LTc and keep your C. Problem solved
    Haha!

    The other thing I was thinking about today was, since it has to be a do-it-all bike, I'll probably be using it about twice a week for an hour each day for small errands around town. Would I be correct in assuming that since they're roughly the same weight and utilize the same VPP suspension, that they would be equal in terms of performance on the road/pavement or would the slacker geometry and 20mm taller fork have a larger effect on pedalling efficiency?

    Sorry if these questions seem dumb/obvious to you guys. I've only ever ridden rather heavy AM bikes in the past. The lightweight 29er world is completely new to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfas View Post
    One for Portugal

    I really, really would like to stick to my approx $3500 budget, but DAMN that LTC is nice. Someone mentioned that you only live once, and now my crazy ass is considering the LTC. Gotta get a road bike too, so I'm looking at around $6000 all at once. If only I were even remotely as drawn to the aesthetics of the aluminum version. Geez...I completely forgot about tax being added on. $4800 is insanity.

    Got some seeeerious soul-searching to do, haha. Congrats on your new frame brotha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by max_croft View Post
    Haha!

    The other thing I was thinking about today was, since it has to be a do-it-all bike, I'll probably be using it about twice a week for an hour each day for small errands around town. Would I be correct in assuming that since they're roughly the same weight and utilize the same VPP suspension, that they would be equal in terms of performance on the road/pavement or would the slacker geometry and 20mm taller fork have a larger effect on pedalling efficiency?

    Sorry if these questions seem dumb/obvious to you guys. I've only ever ridden rather heavy AM bikes in the past. The lightweight 29er world is completely new to me.
    I wouldn't classify this in the lightweight category. If it's not an xc slayer by any means. If I were going to race in any capacity (which isn't on my bucket list), my LT probably would not be the weapon of choice.

    As far as pavement performance, i don't think that consideration was given in this design. Tire selection will decide this outcome.

    Buy this bike because of the fun factor. It does really well in many different areas; however, I do not belive that it would be seriously competitive in any one strict discipline. It's a 29er with 5" of travel. it's basically a lazy boy with a 10sp cassette that when you pedal it doesn't feel very lazy anymore, but the comfort is still there. Probably a terrible analogy, but it's the best i could come up with at the moment.

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    sometimes I think to myself:

    Am I scrooge... or do I really have dificulty in spending the hard money earned... or do I get Undersalary...

    Besides that though:
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    The bike isn't mine, is a test bike from Pernalonga. I'm thinking trading my BLT for ... BLTc or Tallboy LTc not for now, maybe in the end of the year, maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by max_croft View Post
    The other thing I was thinking about today was, since it has to be a do-it-all bike, I'll probably be using it about twice a week for an hour each day for small errands around town.
    If you need a commuter/errand bike, buy a used mtn bike HT or something. Do you really want to be locking up a ~$4-6K bike outside of a store?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfas View Post
    The bike isn't mine, is a test bike from Pernalonga. I'm thinking trading my BLT for ... BLTc or Tallboy LTc not for now, maybe in the end of the year, maybe.
    As soon as carbon framesets are available, I'll be building one up and selling the BLT.
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    Is that a black/green SL29 in the window? It looks good. Lower-slung than I was expecting. Probably a smaller size, but still.

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    I stopped into the LBS and was surprised to see a row of Tallboy LTs on the rack!
    Nice looking rides. I'm waiting for an LTc but it was good to see the bikes on the rack. They are real!
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    Quote Originally Posted by daves4mtb View Post
    I've been riding my Tallboy LT for a couple of weeks now. And I like it more the more I ride it! It climbs well thanks to the VPP suspension, and is light enough to not feel bulky or heavy while doing so. On the downhills and in the rough it really shines.

    I got the Ram kit, which is a super smoking deal. I've only upgraded the brakes to Shimano Xt so far. I'll probably fit a little wider bar (the Ram kit comes specced with a 688mm truvative bar that feels a little heavy) and a new stem, have ordered a Chronolog seat post, and may change out the Shimano 3 x 10 for an XTR 2x10 crankset. Still works out to a great bike for the money and a great bike regardless of the money!

    I've always been slow on some of the deeply rutted single track downhill trails, but recently found that I am catching up with the wiry little skinny guys with mad skills, if they don't also have a long travel bike.

    Color me impressed!
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    I have the same bike. What made you swap brakes after two weeks. Are the XT Ice that much better? It's like a $350 swap right? If you say its worth it and makes a difference I'll pick up a set for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Intense29 View Post
    +1

    I have the same bike. What made you swap brakes after two weeks. Are the XT Ice that much better? It's like a $350 swap right? If you say its worth it and makes a difference I'll pick up a set for sure.
    I have Exilir 7s on my Stumpjumper and hate them, my XT disc brakes from 2000 are better than these.

    I already talked to my shop, IF I order a R kit, he'll swap out the brakes for XT and all I have to pay is the difference in cost.
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    LTc coming

    Will be here end of June...

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    *should be one badass 29

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    Quote Originally Posted by hullendersauce View Post
    Will be here end of June...

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    Stans ZTR Arch EX, laced to red i9's
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    *should be one badass 29
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    Quote Originally Posted by Intense29 View Post
    +1

    I have the same bike. What made you swap brakes after two weeks. Are the XT Ice that much better? It's like a $350 swap right? If you say its worth it and makes a difference I'll pick up a set for sure.
    Definitely make the switch. The XT brakes are fantastic. Go with bigger rotors too.

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    Can anyone confirm what hubs come on the Carbon with a R kit?

    Website says XT, but as far as I know, XT doesn't come in a 142 rear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    Can anyone confirm what hubs come on the Carbon with a R kit?

    Website says XT, but as far as I know, XT doesn't come in a 142 rear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CraigH View Post
    DT 350 says MtotheF (and he should know...)
    Tallboy LT pricing
    Wonder if the means the front gets one too.
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    I have given in and put a Nevegal up front. It was a toss up between this and the Ardent 2.4. I am sure it's going to slow me down a little but I am hoping to have some confidence in the front traction area. Lost some Mojo the other night in the high country and I know it's not the bike because it's killing it in so many areas (except steering traction). Good Times . I guess i will be forced to do some more testing. I know, it sucks to have to keep testing your dream bike .
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    BIGME - I run WTB Bronson's 29er Race 2.2 front & rear on my S/C TallBoy carbon ... Setup tubeless on Stan's Flows with ChrisKing ISO hubs- front 15mm LD , rear 135 x 10mm, DT Swiss 10mm thru Axle ... I Love these tires !!! Fast rolling, Great side grip, they wear well, Cheap !!! Side wall can take a beating !!! IMO - One Great all around tire ... I'm gonna run Bronson's on my S/C TallBoy LTc too ...
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    JohnnyG, when the current combo wears out I may be contacting you for some specifics about the Bronsons. Thanks.
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    I've got a Bronson for the rear and a moto for the front and it's been an awesome combo. Both are faster rolling than the high roller / nevegal combo they replaced and have confidence inspiring traction and grip. This is in 26" version but I'd expect the same from 29" if not better.
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    The Sierra's are open for Business. The Lt is learning it's way around The bike seemed to be more comfortable with the make shift bridge than I did. No easy way to get it up and over that base. Cycling shoes don't help much either. Haven't fell in yet so that's a good thing.
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    I've put money down at my LBS for the Tallboy LTc. I am building from the frame up. I'm debating between the Fox 34 Float or Talas. My brother rides a Niner WFO with the 34 Talas and loves it but I was wondering if the Tallboy LTc needs it? Most of my riding consists of long climbs. Not a lot of up down up down sort of stuff. I would love to hear what everyones thoughts are especially those that have ridden the LT. Thanks

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    I had a Talas on my old bike and only changes the height once when I first got it. On my LT I got the Revelation. Just finished a ride this morning that had an hour climb. Never felt it wanting to wheelie, tracked well and the geo felt good all the way up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TLD80 View Post
    I've put money down at my LBS for the Tallboy LTc. I am building from the frame up. I'm debating between the Fox 34 Float or Talas. My brother rides a Niner WFO with the 34 Talas and loves it but I was wondering if the Tallboy LTc needs it? Most of my riding consists of long climbs. Not a lot of up down up down sort of stuff. I would love to hear what everyones thoughts are especially those that have ridden the LT. Thanks
    I have a Talas 36 on my Remedy which I use frequently when climbing the steep stuff (I could not climb these trails with the original 36 float that was on the bike). Now I am climbing the same exact trails on the TBLT with the Revelation and haven't had any issues. I honestly think if the front end was dropped, that you would hit your pedals on everything. (I hit quite a bit as it is). I am really happy with the Revelation so far, but if i would have had the coin I would have happily taken possession of a 34 float though.

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    Not an TB LT I ride.
    But my Stumpjumper 29er FSR has the same amount of travel front and back and I definitely donīt need a travel adjustable fork.

    On my heckler with a 160mm Talas I used the TALAS all the time.

    Not at all on the 29er and yet it climbs AND descends a lot more comfortable.


    Youīll probably not miss it. It is more fun too, since it is less fiddly. You donīt need to adjust anything. Just rip =)

    I am trying to find all kinds of excuses NOT to get rid of my Stumpjumper 29er and get a Tallboy LTc.

    It really canīt be much better, can it?
    Santa Cruz bikes are just so nice.


    Greetings Znarf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Znarf View Post
    Not an TB LT I ride.
    But my Stumpjumper 29er FSR has the same amount of travel front and back and I definitely donīt need a travel adjustable fork.

    On my heckler with a 160mm Talas I used the TALAS all the time.

    Not at all on the 29er and yet it climbs AND descends a lot more comfortable.


    Youīll probably not miss it. It is more fun too, since it is less fiddly. You donīt need to adjust anything. Just rip =)

    I am trying to find all kinds of excuses NOT to get rid of my Stumpjumper 29er and get a Tallboy LTc.

    It really canīt be much better, can it?
    Santa Cruz bikes are just so nice.


    Greetings Znarf
    I'm in the same boat. I don't like the fact I cant upgrade my shock so the SJ is gone. Just need to test ride a TBLT. TB and a Sipder 29 to decide which.


    Any of you TBLT owners ride a TB before? How efficient would you say the TBLT is compared to the TB for climbing?
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    Well,
    that is pretty astonishing. That is my exact gripe.
    I donīt really like the Triad. Blew one already, got a new one, no charge.

    I actually have an RP23 with a scratched stanchion - I might send it to a suspension tuning company after this season and let them make a frankenshock out of the special-mount TRIAD and the RP23 and have that one PUSHED.

    Last season I tried some lift assisted riding and am STOKED!
    Been an avid mountainbiker for 15 years. Love technical riding. Never had tried lift assisted riding before though.

    The 29er Stumpjumper was surprisingly good for resort riding. But obviously not ideal.
    I am now thinking of adding a proper bikepark bike to my quiver (which consists of the do-it-all 29er Stumpjumper and a beater bike for commuting actually)
    OR
    getting a Tallboy LTc and a Fox 34 for 2013.

    I am thinking that a decent value freeride bike might be better value. Over here in Germany a Tallboy LT frame is much more expensive then a complete and really good freeride bike with a Boxxer R2C2, DHX RC2 and even a really, really nice aluminum frame.

    If Iīd break one of my bikes then, Iīd still have a second one.

    I should then ride the hell out of my (2011) Stumpjumper and replace it with a reiteration of the Tallboy LT in 3-5 years.

    Law of diminishing returns. Probably.
    But DAMN is the Tallboy nice.

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    Great thoughts!

    Thanks guys for the responses. I sold off my Salsa Spearfish so I am without a mtn bike right now. My LBS owner is letting me ride is Diamond Back Sortie and it has a Float on it but it isn't the 34 so it has a little less travel. While riding the Sortie I never felt the need to lower the fork. The only thing I did was lock it out so I could stand and climb to stretch my back and work some different muscles. To me that seems to be the feature I will actually use. I think I will most likely go with the Float. Thanks again for the comments everyone!

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    Best day since the first time I got laid, which was two weeks ago...

    Well, my LT showed up to the LBS today. Its a AL with the matte black CCCP.

    Hopefully they will get it built up tomorrow and I can get out for a ride Wed. Super stocked about how the CCCP turned out. Went by and grabbed few crappy cell phone pics of it fresh out of the box.

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    Congrats man. She is a beauty. You are much more patient that I am though waiting on CCCP
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    Looks great, can't wait to see it built up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Intense29 View Post
    I had a Talas on my old bike and only changes the height once when I first got it. On my LT I got the Revelation. Just finished a ride this morning that had an hour climb. Never felt it wanting to wheelie, tracked well and the geo felt good all the way up.
    Where in IL are you riding with hour climbs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
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    Threw on a new set of rollers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfas View Post
    The bike isn't mine, is a test bike from Pernalonga. I'm thinking trading my BLT for ... BLTc or Tallboy LTc not for now, maybe in the end of the year, maybe.
    hello, first of all, sorry for my english.
    Surfas, one question: have you put 650b wheels on your blur LT2??? I know a guy who has put forward, but we don't know if you can put behind

    Don't hit the frame?

    very nice tallboy LT, but I've doubt with 29ers in technicals trails....

    thanks and greetings from Spain!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    Any of you TBLT owners ride a TB before? How efficient would you say the TBLT is compared to the TB for climbing?
    Check for Francis' post comparing the two. He owns a TB and demo'd one for the TB LTc launch. Read earlier in the thread, there a few TB owners that have demo'd the TB LT & LTc now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneSlowBusa View Post
    Well, my LT showed up to the LBS today. Its a AL with the matte black CCCP.
    Hey, I recognize that shop. JTRG! Nice. Steve and crew are building one up for me too, only now I'm jealous as I decided to wait for the frame only to build it up to my specs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bd279 View Post
    Hey, I recognize that shop. JTRG! Nice. Steve and crew are building one up for me too, only now I'm jealous as I decided to wait for the frame only to build it up to my specs.
    Yep the guys at JTRG in Salem are awesome, and a major props to them for not giving me the most annoying customer of the year award for as often as I was bugging them about the status of this thing. Anyhow just picked her up an hr ago cant wait till the weekend.

    A built up pic or two, what do you guys think of this mount for the reverb remote? thinking of switching to top left
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    I'd leave it right where it is if its comfortable. Somewhat more protected in the event you crash.
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