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    2013 Tallboy

    Had to wait a month for bike from Colorado Cyclist but but bike was built about as perfect as one can get and they let me spec it the way I wanted for $5800 shipped, fantastic! Bike weighs a smidge over 26lbs in large size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by panzer07 View Post
    Had to wait a month for bike from Colorado Cyclist but but bike was built about as perfect as one can get and they let me spec it the way I wanted for $5800 shipped, fantastic! Bike weighs a smidge over 26lbs in large size.
    You posted in the wrong thread. That's a regular Tallboy; not the LT.

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    Didn't see any TBLTcs in this vid, but don't you guys think the Plastic Canary would rule in this format of racing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Didn't see any TBLTcs in this vid, but don't you guys think the Plastic Canary would rule in this format of racing?

    I raced in France in the early 90s. I could only dream back then of the hardware I would have today.

    Yes the yellow canary would kill those trails.

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    Can any Nomad user explain the main riding differences with the TLTc?
    Is it better than Nomad as a DH bike too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by terrassabike View Post
    Can any Nomad user explain the main riding differences with the TLTc?
    Is it better than Nomad as a DH bike too?
    Demo both and you tell us
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Didn't see any TBLTcs in this vid, but don't you guys think the Plastic Canary would rule in this format of racing?

    I thought the same thing watching all the vids when it was on. According to NoahC there were two in the race, and one rider got second in the amateur class??? My experience on the TBLT is minimal but yeah, it feels like it would absolutely dominate this format. I was hoping Seb on NSMB would ride one in the race and discuss but he took a Blur. Maybe because mostly Euros, not so many 29s??? 29 may not be as fun as some people claim but you can't deny they're fast!

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    Quote Originally Posted by robnow View Post
    I thought the same thing watching all the vids when it was on. According to NoahC there were two in the race, and one rider got second in the amateur class???

    Chris Ball was top 15 overall in most stages, but got lost on one and it cost him the overall Amateur win.


    Cedric Gracia is doing pretty well on his, he won his first Enduro race back from a horrific injury - edging out Fabien Barel for the top spot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahColorado View Post

    Chris Ball was top 15 overall in most stages, but got lost on one and it cost him the overall Amateur win.


    Cedric Gracia is doing pretty well on his, he won his first Enduro race back from a horrific injury - edging out Fabien Barel for the top spot.
    Okay, I'll confess, I wear glasses
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    Thanks

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    That is ridiculously sweet Wick
    Thanks Intense 29. She turned out good.

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    Yay, just got the xt swapped out for xx1! Now weighing in at 25.7 pounds. Can't wait to try this out. I was hoping to head straight to the trails but unfortuantely rain and storms put an end to that so I'll have to wait a bit. One of the guys from my lbs as just put the group on his trc and was raving about it.
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    ^^^ Sweet. That is a ridiculously low weight for a full sus long travel 29er!

    I can't believe how far the BB is above the rear triangle main pivot - looks really odd in your photo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Demo both and you tell us
    Great answer! Many thanks.
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    Mmmmmm... XX1...

    fakemind: Which chainring size did you go with? Keep us posted on whether you think the gearing is right. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigwheelsRbest View Post
    ^^^ Sweet. That is a ridiculously low weight for a full sus long travel 29er!

    I can't believe how far the BB is above the rear triangle main pivot - looks really odd in your photo
    Thanks. The weight distribution is really noticeable with the front feeling heaviest from the fork comapred to the rear. I think the phot might look a bit odd as i didn't really have the bike level in the stand when I took that shot but the lower link on these bikes does seem to drop down a fair bit from the bottom bracket.

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    Mmmmmm... XX1...

    fakemind: Which chainring size did you go with? Keep us posted on whether you think the gearing is right. Thanks.
    Just went with the 32. I have some steep climbs so I'm hoping it gives a low enough gear after a few hours in the saddle when the legs are tired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fakemind View Post
    Yay, just got the xt swapped out for xx1! Now weighing in at 25.7 pounds. Can't wait to try this out. I was hoping to head straight to the trails but unfortuantely rain and storms put an end to that so I'll have to wait a bit. One of the guys from my lbs as just put the group on his trc and was raving about it.
    Wow that's an amazing weight for what the bike is.

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    Less Trail, More AM

    First big rains have arrived in Marin, meaning off with the stock Maxxis Ardents and on with the Hans Dampfs.
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    Wooo...looky!

    ....for the canary....
    If only the Rocket V SLT came in yellow, I'd be buying

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    Saw one on ebay but predominantly black with some yellow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronyc View Post
    Saw one on ebay but predominantly black with some yellow.
    That works! But nada now :/

    Edit: and also looked on ProMotive...zip also...oh well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shredjunkie View Post
    First big rains have arrived in Marin, meaning off with the stock Maxxis Ardents and on with the Hans Dampfs.
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    very nice, local to bay area as well. how are you liking your post? cant tell if that is the fox Doss or KS lev . i had 2 Kronologs fail , i tried the Fox DOSS and liked it but the lever just didnt seem right for me for the hour that i had it.rode tam yesterday and sure did miss having a dropper post on the way down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neveo View Post
    very nice, local to bay area as well. how are you liking your post? cant tell if that is the fox Doss or KS lev
    I've got the KS Lev, and have mostly been happy with it, minus a couple of issues with the head clamp.

    First, it allows a small amount of wobble both forwards/backwards and side to side. Not enough to notice while riding, but enough to wonder if I paid too much for it.

    Second, the head clamp develops a horrible creak after a few rides, however I found that a little WD40 on the bottom plate and reassemblage seems to fix the problem.

    I'm not sure what is so hard about building a clamp as solid and sound free as a standard seatpost, but I suspect it is due to the fact that the top of the post must be accessible for access to the pressure valve. Fortunately neither problem affects the functionality while riding, and the post has otherwise performed excellently. Again, for the price, seems like they would have worked out the bugs before going to market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrienne516 View Post
    For the record, it ain't mine and no I didn't steal it. It's one of the early prototype test bikes. Had an opportunity to ride it for a few minutes.
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    So on Saturday I swapped out my rear tire from the Ikon back to the Ardent which was in still new condition as I wanted a more aggressive rear.

    Took the bike to White Ranch here in Golden and on the first downhill split the side casing in two spots on some rocks. The sound of psssst, psssst, pssst as the wheel rotated was not good but up to that point the downhill and drops were a blast. The split was too much for Stans to seal. I ended up sticking a tube in for the rest of the ride but it was a mess to change out.

    I ordered two Hans Dampf tires for front and rear today in the Trailstar snakeskin compound. Hopefully these will last longer than the Ardents and give better grip. This is a major change for me! Trading weight for durability and grip


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    Quote Originally Posted by kerryn View Post
    This is a major change for me! Trading weight for durability and grip
    Welcome to 'practical'! So what, did your bike go from 28lbs to 28.5lbs, or did yo pick up an extra 2lbs like me w/ the Conti TK 2.4s?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kerryn View Post
    I ordered two Hans Dampf tires for front and rear today in the Trailstar snakeskin compound.
    If you find the rear a little soft on the climbs, swap it out for a Pacestar, which has a bit more firmness to the compound. So far liking that setup on my TBLTc in the wet rocks, roots, and dirt that fall brings to Northern California.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Welcome to 'practical'! So what, did your bike go from 28lbs to 28.5lbs, or did yo pick up an extra 2lbs like me w/ the Conti TK 2.4s?
    We shall see. I'm guessing that its going to add 1/2 lb over the Ardents. 1lb over the Ikons.

    It's probably going to put the bike north of 29lbs..., that's like a TON!


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    Quote Originally Posted by shredjunkie View Post
    If you find the rear a little soft on the climbs, swap it out for a Pacestar, which has a bit more firmness to the compound. So far liking that setup on my TBLTc in the wet rocks, roots, and dirt that fall brings to Northern California.
    So you prefer the PaceStar on the rear and the TrailStar on the front?

    I went with the TrailStar as what I really need is grip. A little extra slowness on the climb isn't going to slow me down as anyone who has ridden with me will know that I'm usually the last up a climb I'm happy with the fact that I'm often one of the first down though!

    I'll keep the PaceStar in mind for the future though. Hopefully these will last longer than the Conti Mountain King II I had on my last bike. They where grippy but I lost knobs every ride as they self destructed. With that performance it made me shy to try the Trail Kings on this bike - even though I know a lot of people like them here on the Front Range.

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    A quick shock question, I'm really having trouble dialing in my RP23 at 200lbs. It just isn't feeling plush at all at any reasonable sag. I'm considering either pushing it or upgrading to the Cane Creek Double Barrel Air, I just called cane creek and they just came out with the 7.87x2.0 in the air. Any thoughts, other rear shocks options or thoughts would be appreciated, but I'm getting sorta pumped thinking about the Cane creek DB.

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    i honestly think the new ctd fox is marvellous. I think the ccdb air is way too much for that bike and it has not the uphill features as the ctd which are for me pretty important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dpca10 View Post
    A quick shock question, I'm really having trouble dialing in my RP23 at 200lbs. It just isn't feeling plush at all at any reasonable sag. I'm considering either pushing it or upgrading to the Cane Creek Double Barrel Air, I just called cane creek and they just came out with the 7.87x2.0 in the air. Any thoughts, other rear shocks options or thoughts would be appreciated, but I'm getting sorta pumped thinking about the Cane creek DB.
    Rockshox Monarch Plus RC3. Still has the 3 compression settings, and more air volume to get you to a different place on the air spring curve. Also, you can tune it. I've got one that's pretty dialed for the TBLTc, then traded a Reverb for another for my Blur LTc. The Blur's RC3 is tuned all wrong, but I've found enough data to reshim the compression and rebound stacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ricki1nz View Post
    Updated LTc now, Enve AM rims with CK hubs. Rolls sweet.!!
    Very nice and very similar to my build....I have the same wheelset but with black King hubs and Nobby Nics are both ends. I went full XT (24-38) with XTR derailleurs. Easton carbon seatpost, bars and the new Haven stem. Will post pics when it's complete, packages start arriving tomorrow.

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    Tallboy LTc - RS Monarch RT3 shock tune?

    Did anybody here try Tallboy LTc with RS Monarch RT3 rear shock? What factory tune has to be used for LTc? For regular Tallboy c Santa Cruz use H - rebound, M - compresion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vencacampa View Post
    Did anybody here try Tallboy LTc with RS Monarch RT3 rear shock? What factory tune has to be used for LTc? For regular Tallboy c Santa Cruz use H - rebound, M - compresion.
    Monarch Plus RC3 HV on mine w/ needle bearings on the link side. It has a M/L (reb/comp) stock tune, and seems to work very well. The only adjustment I'd tweak is air volume...I'd go for the LV air can version. But, you can get tuning rubber bands to do the volume tune more precisely if you happen to get a HV air can.

    Edit: I'm 190-195lbs kitted up. If you're lighter, a lighter comp tune w/ a HV air can might work better for you
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    quick question. to convert the i23 frequency rims on my tallboy lt
    to tubeless do i need rim tape? i don't thinks so using stans sealant but i thought i ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by conformers View Post
    quick question. to convert the i23 frequency rims on my tallboy lt
    to tubeless do i need rim tape? i don't thinks so using stans sealant but i thought i ask.
    Yes you will need to use rim tape of some sort to seal the spoke holes, if it isn't there already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by conformers View Post
    quick question. to convert the i23 frequency rims on my tallboy lt
    to tubeless do i need rim tape? i don't thinks so using stans sealant but i thought i ask.
    They are already taped. You just need to insert the valve stems which should have come with the bike and add some sealant.

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    Anyone running a 2.4? I am liking the ardents but find that my rims are taking a beating with the smaller tire. I ride in a lot of rocks and the rear is showing the battle scars. Thinking of moving up to a 2.4 Hans dampf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cult Hero View Post
    Anyone running a 2.4? I am liking the ardents but find that my rims are taking a beating with the smaller tire. I ride in a lot of rocks and the rear is showing the battle scars. Thinking of moving up to a 2.4 Hans dampf.
    I'm on 2.35" Nobby Nics. No problem with the fit. Awesome so far

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    Quote Originally Posted by grimx View Post
    They are already taped. You just need to insert the valve stems which should have come with the bike and add some sealant.

    Thanks 2nd unrelated question is.... What dropper post are you guys using on your LT's and which one works the best?

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    I had the Hans on the front for a couple rides but its a little to big (2.4) for Bay area stuff I ride and it didn't roll all that well. That being said Its going to be perfect for places like Downieville also it weighed in at 900grams compared to the 720 grams of the NN 2.3 I'm running now

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    Quote Originally Posted by conformers View Post
    Thanks 2nd unrelated question is.... What dropper post are you guys using on your LT's and which one works the best?
    I have a KS lev and it has been great. No issues at all.


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    KS Lev: Dropper mechanism has been rock solid. The head clamp has a bit of play, but not enough to notice while riding. Head clamp also develops a bad creaking sound after a couple of rides, although a bit of teflon grease between the two plates solves the problem.

    Hans Damfs: I put a Trailstar front and Pacestar rear on my TBLTc. They definitely have bumped up the shredability factor in the softer winter soil here in Marin, and are also a confidence inspiring tire in the rocks. Have not noticed that they are any slower on the uphill and have only decreased my downhill times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by conformers View Post
    Thanks 2nd unrelated question is.... What dropper post are you guys using on your LT's and which one works the best?
    Rockshox Reverb - excellent operation and very durable. Easy to bleed if necessary

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    Ive been using my reverb for about 5-6 months 2-3 rides a week no problems at all! love that thing! took my riding to a whole nuther level! All my riding buddies are jealous

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    Quote Originally Posted by grimx View Post
    They are already taped. You just need to insert the valve stems which should have come with the bike and add some sealant.
    Hmm, mine didn't come with valve stems (also no grease gun). Starting to think my LBS is holding out on me. What did others here receive with their full bike build?

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    When I bought my Tallboy from my LBS, I did not get a grease gun. But when I purchase an LTc frame only, it came with a grease gun.

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    Amazing TallBoy

    Just got back from Rotorua New Zealand ( 11 days ) , this is my second trip to this mountain bike heaven. This time I had my TBLTC and the difference was just amazing, last year I had a Specialized Epic Carbon 29er which was an awesome bike but the difference between that and the TallBoy was astounding , I don't think my riding ability had improved that much in 12 months , it was the bike.
    This thing climbs and descends better than anything I have ever ridden , I'm no expert by any means
    but anything that can improve my riding ability that much must be something very special .........
    This just a comment , but if you are having trouble making up your mind on what bike to purchase , then I can't recommend the Santa Cruz TallBoy LTC enough.

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    ^^^

    Couldn't agree more! I feel like a dirty cheat when I ride my LTc. I know I'm not a great rider, but this bike lets me do things I never could before and rather than hanging on for dear life, I flow with it and it just loves whatever comes its way. All the while making me look as though I know what I'm doing.
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    I have spent time on the LTc and compared to my Tallboy C, I found it to be really fun and easy to ride and almost just as fast. It seemed even fast on the downhills but I was impressed that it climbed so well. I found that I got so used to it that when I got back on the TallboyC it seemed strange and a bit cramped.

    I wonder how the comparisons will be now that the RIP 9 RDO is coming shortly. This is Niners attempt at going head to head with the LTc.

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    Every SC VPP bike that we receive at my LBS comes with the grease gun.

    Your dealer probably forgot to give you one.

    Wouldn't hurt to ask.
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    A question for the people riding the 2013 spec derailleurs, especially those on 2X10.

    I was talking with the LBS and they stated that they don't put the e13 chain guide on their SPX 2X10 builds as they believe that the XT derailleurs do a good enough job of controlling the chain (they would give me the chain guide separately with the bike so that I could sell it, they're not keeping it).

    How have people found the new derailleurs' ability to control chain slap / drop? Is the chain guide really required?

    For reference my local trails are hardpack (at the moment, they turn to mud in winter) with tree roots, rocks (mostly of fist size or smaller) and are generally bumpy. Other trails in the general area which I ride occasionally have bigger drops (nothing over a few feet) and more jumps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by max_croft View Post
    ^^^

    Couldn't agree more! I feel like a dirty cheat when I ride my LTc. I know I'm not a great rider, .... .
    How does one know if they are a good rider or not a good rider?
    I am a LTc owner, but I'm a pretty good road biker, I know that from speed, distance, cadence... But Im new to MTB, I read the forums and ended up with the LTc.
    I have limited experience, but I do find myself on "black run" trails, I dont find some sections easy, but I get thru them, even though they look "hairy".

    Assuming its a good bike,
    • Am I a good rider on a good bike
    • Am I a shitty rider on a good bike?



    How to tell?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kzrocky View Post
    How does one know if they are a good rider or not a good rider?
    Well, I'm the slowest in the group with my friends so that's the first sign. Other things I suppose would be technique. There a things that (regardless of speed) my friends fly over or flow through more gracefully. Where as I come behind them seemingly hitting and bouncing off every rock. I'm getting better and I the more I ride the more I'm learning better ways to ride certain parts of the trail which in turn makes it much more enjoyable.

    I've also ridden these same trails on my older bike and quickly found my limit on certain terrain. Things I wouldn't dare hit on my 2004 Norco are a breeze on my LTc. In my case, I know it's the bike, but I understand where you're coming from if you're new to MTB, it's difficult to gauge. In the end, the only thing that really matters is that you're having fun!
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    Almost done!!!!! Just need to trim the brake lines and that darn rear derailleur is giving me hell. And just making sure everything is all torqued. My first ever mtb build!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronyc View Post
    Almost done!!!!! Just need to trim the brake lines and that darn rear derailleur is giving me hell. And just making sure everything is all torqued. My first ever mtb build!
    What's going on w/ your rear mech...throw up some pics of your issues if you can? Is it DM or normal mount? I slapped a Park rear mech hanger alignment thingie on it first, and it did need a bit of tweaking... Are you using a torque wrench?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kzrocky View Post
    How does one know if they are a good rider or not a good rider?
    I am a LTc owner, but I'm a pretty good road biker, I know that from speed, distance, cadence... But Im new to MTB, I read the forums and ended up with the LTc.
    I have limited experience, but I do find myself on "black run" trails, I dont find some sections easy, but I get thru them, even though they look "hairy".

    Assuming its a good bike,
    • Am I a good rider on a good bike
    • Am I a shitty rider on a good bike?



    How to tell?
    Here's a good way to establish a baseline...get on a 26er and ride the same trail and see how many more times you need to get off and walk. I did that recently...have a Blur LTc and a TB LTc...and I notice a lot more effort to do the same lines on the Blur vs the TB. Just be careful about really stomping down on the pedals on a 26er w/o shifting weight since they have less traction.

    Edit: oh BTW, I'm slower than snot on the ups too, but it's a fitness thing. I can generally clear most techy ups, and the TB's ride characteristics makes things a lot easier than the Blur by far!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronyc View Post
    almost done!!!!! Just need to trim the brake lines and that darn rear derailleur is giving me hell. And just making sure everything is all torqued. My first ever mtb build!

    Yellow tb ltc with fox rp23 with kashima
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    waiting for an mrp lopes guide and she should be done!
    pics!!

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    I am considering buying the TB LTc. Found a 2012 for a great price. I actually planned to pick it up after a final test run on a friends bike in the AM. What concerns me is my friend told me to go relatively slow when descending back to town on the fire roads. His primary concern is rocks/pebbles being thrown from the front tire at "damaging" the carbon frame. What I want to know is the concern about cosmetic damage or could this actually put the frame at risk.

    I typically run down the fire roads at 40 plus on the way home. I also drop the bike from time to time on rocky technical descents... the last thing I want is to be paranoid while doing something that should be relaxing. I can live with cosmetic damage but not having to have repairs every couple of months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LB412 View Post
    I am considering buying the TB LTc. Found a 2012 for a great price. I actually planned to pick it up after a final test run on a friends bike in the AM. What concerns me is my friend told me to go relatively slow when descending back to town on the fire roads. His primary concern is rocks/pebbles being thrown from the front tire at "damaging" the carbon frame. What I want to know is the concern about cosmetic damage or could this actually put the frame at risk.

    I typically run down the fire roads at 40 plus on the way home. I also drop the bike from time to time on rocky technical descents... the last thing I want is to be paranoid while doing something that should be relaxing. I can live with cosmetic damage but not having to have repairs every couple of months.
    Cosmetic damage. If you want to see how tough SC carbon is watch the pinkbike video. It's been posted many times in the SC forum.

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    RAM vs. SPX

    What are the MAJOR differences between the RAM and SPX kits?

    Thanks in advance!

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    better components all around, that means lighter, stronger, faster everything, crisper shifting, better brakes, stiffer feel. If your really seriious about your riding get the spx you wont regret it. if you want nice components that will still be awesome and want to save money get the ram.

    on my last bike i had the ram, it was good but I always wanted to upgrade stuff after a while, on my new bike i got spx and it is everything and more

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    Quote Originally Posted by sikkfreerider View Post
    better components all around, that means lighter, stronger, faster everything, crisper shifting, better brakes, stiffer feel. If your really seriious about your riding get the spx you wont regret it. if you want nice components that will still be awesome and want to save money get the ram.

    on my last bike i had the ram, it was good but I always wanted to upgrade stuff after a while, on my new bike i got spx and it is everything and more
    Found a shop with 4 2012 TB LTc on sale 3 are mediums and one large. The mediums are SPX the large is RAM. I'd prefer the SPX but not sure about the fit on the medium. Riding one a few miles tomorrow. If I go with the large I can afford a few upgrades. I'm thinking forks and wheel set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LB412 View Post
    I am considering buying the TB LTc. Found a 2012 for a great price. I actually planned to pick it up after a final test run on a friends bike in the AM. What concerns me is my friend told me to go relatively slow when descending back to town on the fire roads. His primary concern is rocks/pebbles being thrown from the front tire at "damaging" the carbon frame. What I want to know is the concern about cosmetic damage or could this actually put the frame at risk.

    I typically run down the fire roads at 40 plus on the way home. I also drop the bike from time to time on rocky technical descents... the last thing I want is to be paranoid while doing something that should be relaxing. I can live with cosmetic damage but not having to have repairs every couple of months.
    You can get the Cytoe protector just in case. Fits like a glove and very protective. Search for it in this thread

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    Just built, cant wait to ride. Bought as a frameset so the build is a little bit of everything for now.








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    Rode the medium this morning and it felt cramped. That leaves the option of adjusting the saddle and possibly shortening the stem to make the size large fit. Unfortunately the only option they have on sale is the RAM kit.

    The bike is 30% off MSRP(about 23% off normal shop price) so I can afford to make some upgrades. My initial thoughts are front fork, brakes, cranks, and possibly the wheelset. Pobably cant afford all so I would appreciate everyones opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LB412 View Post
    My initial thoughts are front fork, brakes, cranks, and possibly the wheelset. Pobably cant afford all so I would appreciate everyones opinion.
    Wheels/tires are always the best bang-for-buck upgrade. Grams saved/stiffness added here translates more drastically than, say, saving 30 grams off your crankset. Then I'd swap brakes next, only because I don't like Avid hydraulics very much.

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    Got to ride my LTc for the first time this morning, felt just as great as the day I demoed one in early summer! My Blur LT and Niner EMD will be up for sale real soon, this bike combines both of those for me and then some, lots of some! Came in at 27.5 pounds...large frame, Fox Float CTD front/back, Arch EX on 240's, combined with my 2x9 XO/Elixir CR drivetrain and brakes from my Blur LT. Also have my old Joplin 3 lever seat post on it and some orange Chris King bling here and there. Really happy with it! Pics to follow one of these days.

    I might next summer convert to the 1x11 Sram XX1 after seeing how much people love/hate it.

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    Got my stock 2012 Tallboy LTa R AM kit today. Looks awesome!
    I will switch some stuff from my niner RIP 9. Already switched my Thomson seatpost and WTB Rocket V SLT saddle. I will also swap the 3x10 XT crankset, XT shifters, Answer carbon bars and thomson stem from my niner.


    How good are the WTB wheels? Should I switch them for my Charger PRO wheels or should I keep the WTB with XT hub (back only)?
    Same question about the brakes; stock elixir 5 vs Hayes Prime PRO?

    Any recommendations?

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    I am about to purchase the same bike... Heard nothing but negatives about the brakes

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    Quote Originally Posted by LB412 View Post
    I am about to purchase the same bike... Heard nothing but negatives about the brakes
    I like the Hayes, but I never had those elixir so I would like to have some opinions before switching.

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    The elixers are alright. but the have really bad lever feel. like a lot of slop in the pull before it even stops braking. and their a ***** to bleed. I stick to shimano brakes

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    Quote Originally Posted by partusa View Post
    I like the Hayes, but I never had those elixir so I would like to have some opinions before switching.
    I hated the Elixers on my Stumpjumper. Enough that I'll never own another pair of Avid brakes. I'm loving my XTs
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    PartUSA, I would recommend you keep the i23 WTB wheels, they are just as well as Arch's and with the same width going tubeless will give you a wide footprint. They're good wheels, save your money and get some XT brakes, great stopping power, and quiet!

    I'm curious, you say you had a RIP 9 Niner? What switched you over from CVA to VPP? Many people seem to believe the CVA is superior suspension platform. What are your impressions between both bikes? I'm interested to hear your view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. 14 View Post
    PartUSA, I would recommend you keep the i23 WTB wheels, they are just as well as Arch's and with the same width going tubeless will give you a wide footprint. They're good wheels, save your money and get some XT brakes, great stopping power, and quiet!

    I'm curious, you say you had a RIP 9 Niner? What switched you over from CVA to VPP? Many people seem to believe the CVA is superior suspension platform. What are your impressions between both bikes? I'm interested to hear your view.
    I know nothing about the merits of CVA and VPP, but I've always thought rear suspension that acts in an almost "direct" line i.e. TBLTc, Specialized Stumpjumper etc is more efficient than suspension "pivoted" to act in a different line... (like the OLDER Stumpjumpers or Niner RIP 9)...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigwheelsRbest View Post
    ...I've always thought rear suspension that acts in an almost "direct" line i.e. TBLTc, Specialized Stumpjumper etc is more efficient than suspension "pivoted" to act in a different line... (like the OLDER Stumpjumpers or Niner RIP 9)...?
    Wut?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Wut?
    If a suspension system has a single pivot, the rear wheel will rotate around the pivot instead of moving straight up and down. Imagine if he wheel was allowed to travel 90 degrees, it would end up directly above the pivot point.

    VPP and some other suspension systems implement more complex pivot mechanisms to force the wheel to travel in a more direct up-and-down motion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jamminadi View Post
    Got to ride my LTc for the first time this morning, felt just as great as the day I demoed one in early summer! My Blur LT and Niner EMD will be up for sale real soon, this bike combines both of those for me and then some, lots of some! Came in at 27.5 pounds...large frame, Fox Float CTD front/back, Arch EX on 240's, combined with my 2x9 XO/Elixir CR drivetrain and brakes from my Blur LT. Also have my old Joplin 3 lever seat post on it and some orange Chris King bling here and there. Really happy with it! Pics to follow one of these days.

    I might next summer convert to the 1x11 Sram XX1 after seeing how much people love/hate it.
    How tall are you? I am struggling to decide if I should get a M or a L. The shop is trying to convince me that a M with a slight seat adjust and stem length is the way to go. The bike would probably feel pretty good with those adjustments. The only remaining concern is I prefer flat pedals. I couldn't avoid feeling that my feet were going to hit the tires on sharp turns. Not sure if this is the situation associated with 29ers or the size.

    Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. 14 View Post
    PartUSA, I would recommend you keep the i23 WTB wheels, they are just as well as Arch's and with the same width going tubeless will give you a wide footprint. They're good wheels, save your money and get some XT brakes, great stopping power, and quiet!

    I'm curious, you say you had a RIP 9 Niner? What switched you over from CVA to VPP? Many people seem to believe the CVA is superior suspension platform. What are your impressions between both bikes? I'm interested to hear your view.
    Unfortunately I cannot give you any feedback because I was not able to take the tallboy to the trail yet. I will post some comments after the weekend.
    The niner is a great bike, but I prefer something with a little bit more travel. I can also say that the paint on my hot tamale niner SUCKS, paint chips everywhere! (check the forums).

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    Need some help:
    Im 5'10 and trying to decide between a M or L TB LTc. Shop is pushing a M with a slightly longer stem and a saddle adjust. I rode a friends M on a 5 mile trail and it felt a bit cramped when climbing. Though this was without any adjustments. Also, I use flat pedals and couldn't shake the feeling that my feet would contact the front wheel on aggressive turns. Not sure if the latter would change much with a 1" size increase. I am also new to 29s so this could be the norm and something that goes away with more time on the bike.

    The M is the SPX build the L is RAM. Both are 2012 and 30% off MSRP.

    Thanks in advance for the input

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Wut?
    Yeah, I know, I'm not good at explaining it - if I could sketch it I'd show you what I mean...

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    As far as I know... short stem for descending and longer stem for climbing... it is going to be depending on your riding style... I was in the edge from a small and a medium SL29er... I went for a small, bad choice... better a longer size with small stem... good luck!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LB412 View Post
    Need some help:
    Im 5'10 and trying to decide between a M or L TB LTc. Shop is pushing a M with a slightly longer stem and a saddle adjust. I rode a friends M on a 5 mile trail and it felt a bit cramped when climbing. Though this was without any adjustments. Also, I use flat pedals and couldn't shake the feeling that my feet would contact the front wheel on aggressive turns. Not sure if the latter would change much with a 1" size increase. I am also new to 29s so this could be the norm and something that goes away with more time on the bike.

    The M is the SPX build the L is RAM. Both are 2012 and 30% off MSRP.

    Thanks in advance for the input
    I'm the same height and own a Tallboy C in a large and it feels great. Spent time on the trail with the LTC and I rode the Lagre and it felt very comfortable, like perfect. I say go with a large, especially if you felt the med was cramped. At our heights we are on edges for a Med or Large, but again, go with a large.

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    The shop just called. One of the M SPX is labeled incorrectly. Its actually an L. I asked them to add stem legnth to the M and change to a 60mm from a 70mm on the L. Planning to try both in the morning and hopefully have a new bike for the weekend. My bet is I'll be going home with the L.

    Thanks for the input. I'll let you know how it goes

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    Quote Originally Posted by LB412 View Post
    The shop just called. One of the M SPX is labeled incorrectly. Its actually an L. I asked them to add stem legnth to the M and change to a 60mm from a 70mm on the L. Planning to try both in the morning and hopefully have a new bike for the weekend. My bet is I'll be going home with the L.

    Thanks for the input. I'll let you know how it goes
    I'm 5'10, bought a medium LTa. I had Stumpy 29 and Niner RIP 9, both large (got good deals on both). The guy from Specialized recommended a medium and he was right. The large is too big. I'll see how the medium tallboy feels on the trail this weekend.

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    Im on a L Intense Spider now. Right or wrong fit I have become accustomed to the feel of the bigger bike... which is another reason this has been a challenge. Its tough to go against the "experts" at the shop (who suggest the M). I'll try both again in the morning and let you guys know how it goes.

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    Ronyc,
    Thanks! But that's a pretty high price for a CroMo railed saddle...

    Edit: plus, I just found me a set of M988 brakes for a good price and the TB fund is drained again
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    5'11" With a Large LT: 50 cm stem + wide bars = bad ass mountain machine

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    Just realized that too, no worries.

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    Went with the size L and a 60mm stem. Once I got the saddle height right it fit like a glove. I added the HT AE02 flat pedals in orange... looks pretty rad. I'll post photos when I pick it up on Sunday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LB412 View Post
    How tall are you? I am struggling to decide if I should get a M or a L. The shop is trying to convince me that a M with a slight seat adjust and stem length is the way to go. The bike would probably feel pretty good with those adjustments. The only remaining concern is I prefer flat pedals. I couldn't avoid feeling that my feet were going to hit the tires on sharp turns. Not sure if this is the situation associated with 29ers or the size.

    Thoughts?
    I'm 6'0", 32-33 inch inseam, and to me the large is just right. I was for sure more stretched out on my old Blur LT that was also a large. A buddy of mine who I ride with once and awhile is 6'1" and went with an XL, but 60 mm stem and thinks that's fine for him. I know when I look at the bike sitting there it looks big. But when I am on it, it feels and rides great. I could maybe drop to 60-70mm stem for me, though don't want to sacrifice any climbing/wandering. So for now till I have had the bike for awhile and ridden it on a bunch of stuff, 80mm feels great. I also ride clipped in, so don't have issues with the shoes hitting the tires. Though it's kind of raked out for a 29er, so you shouldn't have an issue with whatever shoes/pedals (flats) you use. To be safe, maybe demo a M and L!

    On a side note...why are posts being reshuffled a few days back, anyone know? I posted this as the last post the other day, then just now realized it wasn't towards the end.

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    I went with the L and a 60 stem. Once I dialed in the saddle height it fit perfectly and front tire shoe is a non issue. Ill post a few pics after I pick it up on Tuesday.

    Thanks for the help everyone.

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    Im 5'11 and need large.
    My palms dont drag along the ground, but my body is a bit longer than my legs.
    Ok OK im short legged. But I have a big foot!

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    I'm coming from 26 wheels and have the TB LTC on demo for the weekend.

    First impressions are very good in terms of flattening out the trail - to the point where you can easily be drawn into going for things you would never think of attempting previously but the penalty for failure is higher

    One negative is I bottomed out on the pedals over a flat lumpy rocky path. Not sure if I have got the set up right or this is normal for the bike

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