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    Talboy 2

    I saw the add in Bicycle for the new or revised Tallboy 2. Has anyone looked at the specs. Chainstay length, BB height, Head angle ? What are the diff. from the original TB ?

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    Seriously, which issue? I haven't heard about it. I see santa cruz moved the LTc to the all mountain category on their web site and wondered if they making room.

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    GMM, sorry its Bike Mag. July 2013, Pages 58+59, full spread add both pages, labeled Tallboy 2---More better. No mention on SantaCruz site but TBLT moved to All Mountain catagory. Very interesting?

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    Oh great! Another sick bike to motivate me to buy. I'm very interested in this.

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    I wonder what they'll want for this. I hope its price point is not similar to the Solo.

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    Thanks, I will buy the online mag tonight!

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    Damn, the July online version of Bike Mag is not available yet. Now I need to find a hard copy.

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    Talboy 2

    Subscribers get it earlier than newsstands do.

    I'm guessing sticking with 100mm, but a little slacker up front, shorter in back? A Tallboy TR, sort of. And I bet it too costs a lot.

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    Not a great pic, but I'm not gonna dig out the scanner.

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    I thought the TB with the 142 rear was the second gen? Maybe a longer travel TB to fit in the "Trail" category. This will make all 3 categories populated with 26", 27" and 29"????????

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    Looks like a curved seat tube for shorter CS. HA looks slacker, although I think the current TB handles amazingly well with the existing HA. If the travel has been bumped a bit, I very well may be a buyer.

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    Look no further than the juliana joplin for your answer

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    First article I have seen about the updated Tallboy 2:
    Singletrack Magazine | Santa Cruz launches the Tallboy 2

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    TB2 in white AND in size small? Damn.. Me rikey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jizzim View Post
    TB2 in white AND in size small? Damn.. Me rikey.
    I just got an email off SC with a link to this video
    Santa Cruz Tallboy 2 on Vimeo
    And this spec sheet was in the mail.
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    Boy have they been busy!
    Now which to buy this or solo, demo please SC UK!!
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    To bad the new tallboy is heavier than the old one, especially the aluminum one. Other than that the geo is identical to the old one. Lets hope its a lot stiffer and the revised linkage makes a noticeable difference.

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    Can anybody identify what bike is shown in the Tallboy 2 promo vid at 0:14?

    Looks like the Superlight 29 but I'm no expert.

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    29er Strikes Back, Santa Cruz Introduces The Tallboy 2

    Singletrack Magazine | Santa Cruz launches the Tallboy 2

    Still one more SC bike to be released. I'd like to see a Tallboy TRc...

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    The fact that this new Tallboy is still 100mm and the move of the LTc to the 'All Mountain' segment of the SC website does suggest that a 29er with something like 120mm in the rear may well be the other new bike. The 'Trail' section now has a big 29er-shaped hole in it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamilton View Post
    The fact that this new Tallboy is still 100mm and the move of the LTc to the 'All Mountain' segment of the SC website does suggest that a 29er with something like 120mm in the rear may well be the other new bike. The 'Trail' section now has a big 29er-shaped hole in it...
    I agree. SC have to release a trail 29er. Right now they must be loosing sales because they dont have a bike to compete with the Yeti SB95, Ibis Ripley, Intense Spider comp and so on. I wonder when they will release it. They sure have been busy the last year :-)

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    I just posted an interesting photo in a new thread (hadn't read this thread)...

    The new 29er trail bike maybe??

    New Tallboy LTc 2014? Or Tallboy TRc maybe??

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    @rotorua I just posted this in the thread you started about that picture, but I think that second bike is a Solo. I think it's the same color scheme as the matte carbon/green Solo because it looks like you can see some green decal details on the bottom of the downtube and on the stays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sir_crackien View Post
    To bad the new tallboy is heavier than the old one, especially the aluminum one. Other than that the geo is identical to the old one. Lets hope its a lot stiffer and the revised linkage makes a noticeable difference.

    Glad I got my blowout frame from them when I did
    The carbon frame is 1/4lb lighter and the alu is .3lb lighter.

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    Just got my E-Mail from SantaCruz, some small tweeks, shock , lighter frame, but still 100mm and same geo. They claim stiffer frame and since it is lighter than before they have re-worked the structure-I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamilton View Post
    The fact that this new Tallboy is still 100mm and the move of the LTc to the 'All Mountain' segment of the SC website does suggest that a 29er with something like 120mm in the rear may well be the other new bike. The 'Trail' section now has a big 29er-shaped hole in it...
    Quote Originally Posted by Danish Dynamite View Post
    I agree. SC have to release a trail 29er. Right now they must be loosing sales because they dont have a bike to compete with the Yeti SB95, Ibis Ripley, Intense Spider comp and so on. I wonder when they will release it. They sure have been busy the last year :-)
    I would agree. My LBS is a pretty big SC dealer for this area, he's been wishing for a 120 TB for a while.
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    Their website shows that the TB2c is shorter and slacker than the TBc. And the TB LTc has shifted to the all mountain category so either they are revising the LTc or releasing a TB TRc (or both). IMO, the TB LTc could use a sucker HA and a bit more travel especially to compete in the AM category.

    Oh ya, WTF have they done with the XXL sizing. It surely isn't a true XXL anymore because they've shortened the reach and seat tube!!?? Glad I have my TBc because this sucker is too small for a proper XC bike and I'm only 6'5".
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    Danish, I own a TBLTc and ride with friends who ride SB-95. I also spent several hours on the trails in Fruita [ very rocky ] with the SB-95 carbon. I think the LTc is better in most trail conditions than the Yeti, the Yeti did climb well though. My conclusion surprized me as I expected more from the Yeti. When I ride with other Yeti's it mirrors my test ride. Some will think diff. but thats ok, a long test ride with the bike set up properly is important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bog View Post
    Their website shows that the TB2c is shorter and slacker than the TBc.
    It looks to me like the geometry is the same. I wonder if any difference you see might be due to measuring with a 100mm fork vs. a 120mm fork. (I'm looking specifically at the medium since that is what I ride).

    From one of the articles, the upper link was supposedly changed to improve pedaling efficiency.

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    Danish, I would love to see a 120mm travel TB. However, I have demo'd every bike you mentioned-- Yeti SB95c, intense spider comp, and Ibis Ripley, and I can say without a doubt the TBLTc competes with all of them. In fact, for me the TBLTc was the best climber. I think it handles every bit as well as the Spider and SB95c. Candidly, the Ripley does distinguish itself as the best handling and most nimble in my opinion, and that is where SC is susceptible. But the TBLTc certainly competes very well. I'm still trying to decide between the Ripley and TBLTc. 120 TBc would have settled it for me as I prefer SC sizing.

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    After demoing a Tallboy and Ripley I wanted a tallboy with the Ripleys back end. So yes, Tallboy TR. The back end of the Ripley was plusher and pedaled little better. If I had to buy on the spot it would still be the tallboy for overall handling.

    Good thing they improved the rear efficiency. If its anything like the Bronson it will be awesome. I hope they are about to release a tallboy with little more rear suspension. It will be a tough call between a tallboy trc and solo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMM View Post
    Looks like a curved seat tube for shorter CS.
    The seat tube is curved on the current TB too... no change there.

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    Re: Talboy 2

    Tallboy 1 already had the curved ST...

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    If SC releases a new 120 Tallboy, I will say I'd need to wait to see if Intense does anything with the Spider Comp 29er.

    I've mentioned this before, I emailed them about the Fox 34 Talas 150/120 and how it would be perfect for the Spider but was OEM only.

    The response was they had something in testing and looked to a release later this year.

    I think having the adjustability to have 115mm/120mm and 127mm/150mm in the same bike would be nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sir_crackien View Post
    To bad the new tallboy is heavier than the old one, especially the aluminum one. Other than that the geo is identical to the old one. Lets hope its a lot stiffer and the revised linkage makes a noticeable difference.

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    What do you mean? The TB2 is lighter by a 1/4lb...

    On another note, I'm trying to figure out if the one in picture is 130mm front fork or 120mm. Where are you all finding out he HTA is slacker? I can't seem to locate the info on this nor can I find the chainstay length.

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    Ok, I found it all. HTA is 70.2 and chainstays are at 17.5. Seems close to the same to me. A bit slacker on the HTA from 71 to 70.2. I did find out the front fork is only 120mm max again. I too was hoping that atleast 130mm would be nice. Overall it is still a killer bike and lighter, stiffer...

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    SC's Tallboy C geometry chart is based on 505 mm axle-to-crown (~100mm fork)
    TB2 C geometry chart is based on 521 for axle-to-crown (~120mm fork)

    The frame (geometry) itself is likely to be identical but (relative) geometry changes with the fork altering angles with respect to true horizontal.

    As an aside. I just ordered a Tallboy C prior to the launch of the Tallboy2. Any thoughts on the probability of price drops on the original Tallboy C?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. 14 View Post
    What do you mean? The TB2 is lighter by a 1/4lb...

    On another note, I'm trying to figure out if the one in picture is 130mm front fork or 120mm. Where are you all finding out he HTA is slacker? I can't seem to locate the info on this nor can I find the chainstay length.

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    Well see that is what I'm trying to figure out. They say its lighter but then you look at the published weigth of 7.21 lbs for a medium. My orginal Tallboy in size XL with the qr axle weights in at only 6.7 lbs. How is that .3 lbs ligther. Granted the new one has the thru axle but there is no way it adds much weight.
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    I bet the move to 142 mm rear for the TB1.5 probably increased the weight, so that the "decrease" is from there? My blowout ALU frame (135mm) was listed at 6.64 lbs in Medium. The new one is listed at 7.21 lbs.

    Either way, I would pick up a TB1c in a heartbeat if they have another garage sale!

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    Sorry to disagree, my TBLTc was delivered the last week of May, the bike was announced April 1 so mine was one of the early ones and mine is 142/12.

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    The weight #'s on the site don't make sense. How does the TB in both alu and C weigh more than its TBLT counterparts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev. 14 View Post
    Ok, I found it all. HTA is 70.2 and chainstays are at 17.5. Seems close to the same to me. A bit slacker on the HTA from 71 to 70.2. I did find out the front fork is only 120mm max again. I too was hoping that atleast 130mm would be nice. Overall it is still a killer bike and lighter, stiffer...
    According to their FAQ, you can run up to 140mm on TBc v. 1.0 and 2.0 .This was my plan before coming across a TBLT for a good price.
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    I need to pull the trigger on a 100mm 29'er soon and have always considered the Tallboy so it's a pleasant surprise to see an updated version, but could they have possibly come up with more boring color schemes? I love what they've done with the color options with the Bronson. I even typically like black raw carbon but for some reason this just isn't doing it for me. Oh well, has anyone heard anything about availability?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamilton View Post
    The fact that this new Tallboy is still 100mm and the move of the LTc to the 'All Mountain' segment of the SC website does suggest that a 29er with something like 120mm in the rear may well be the other new bike. The 'Trail' section now has a big 29er-shaped hole in it...
    I agree. Something with ~130-140mm travel and >17.5" chainstays. The Ibis Ripley, Banshee Prime, and Specialized Enduro 29 have shown how awesome new-school 29'er geometry bikes can be.

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    Last I heard it was a September availability, Or maybe that was just the SOLO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxbat View Post
    I agree. Something with ~130-140mm travel and >17.5" chainstays. The Ibis Ripley, Banshee Prime, and Specialized Enduro 29 have shown how awesome new-school 29'er geometry bikes can be.
    The LTc pretty much has that covered, no? And it's a great bike. I have one and love it. But there seems to be a gap-albeit a small one-between the TB and the TB LTc.

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    The TB2 does look slacker, almost TRc like....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gripo View Post
    The TB2 does look slacker, almost TRc like....
    As pointed out before, the original TB numbers were with a 100mm fork. The TB2 numbers are with 120mm fork.
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    Quote from one of the reviews: "The suspension has been tweaked slightly, pivot points have been relocated, whilst the VPP linkage has been tuned to offer improved pedalling efficiency as well as a slightly more linear feel throughout the 100mm of travel."

    I have had a TBc 1 for about 2 years now, and I still love it. It just does everything so well, from technical trail riding to XC racing. It climbs great, handles great, and is quite playful for a 29er. I'm interested in whether the new pivot points and tuning really make a noticeable difference or not. Improved pedaling efficiency, especially for out-of-saddle climbing, would be nice.

    I recently got the RP23 on my TBc custom-tuned by PUSH, and I think it did help pedaling efficiency a little bit, but was not a huge difference.

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