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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Crudley View Post
    My SL is so old that it is called a Heckler from 02 vintage too. ........ I can't see any good reason to upgrade.
    I'm here to tell you there isn't a good reason to upgrade! I have been riding Superlights since '97 (as you said, called a "Heckler" back then). In all that time I've had three of them, and I've never been without one, but I've fallen to the dark side a few times and bought other supposedly "fancier/better/more advanced/whatever" bikes. (Carbon hard tail 29ers, FS 29ers, FS 26ers). But they've all gone. I didn't like any of them as much as my Superlight. (Although I did have a TWE carbon 29er that was equally fun - but the hard tail was too much for my back)
    Earlier this year I was sucked in, in a different way - I bought a 2012 Superlight frame so I could put 650b wheels on it. It felt pretty good and I sold my old 26" SL to a buddy and when we went out for a ride, we swapped bikes. Wow! I still loved that old 26" Superlight. Not sure I really needed to change to 650b - but it does roll nicely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barman1 View Post
    A little brainstorming on my ride today...
    2013 XL Superlight 29er
    I've been working on converting the SL to a more relaxed "trail" worthy geo.
    I've seen some SL's with 130mm+ forks around here even though it's not recommended.
    I want to install an offset headset and a 130mm fork.
    Probably pushing the limit on the XL SL already being a 200 pounder but I don't want to buy new right now.
    Will it handle the abuse?
    I'm so glad I found this post! Long story short I'm getting back into the sport, found a killer deal on a barley used 2015 Superlight, and am now beginning to like Enduro more than XC. I wanted to change the ride up a bit but not break the bank. Bought the SL to get me back into the sport, and in a few years I'll drop a chunk of change on a dream ride...anyways did you make the fork swap? I'm thinking of going shorter stem, wider riser bar. What you think?

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    Superlight Love-imageuploadedbytapatalk1449354777.996624.jpg
    My commuter bike, I ride trails to and from work in Adelaide, South Australia. I've owned the bike from new in 2001 when I was hack racing XC. It's been used ever since for XC/AM etc. My boys "occasionally" ride it if they fancy a days riding or if I can convince them to join me on a ride. I'm thinking of getting an angled stem to raise the bars a bit as nowadays I find the riding position attack oriented and I've gotten used to a slacker riding position on my TBc.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kill_Switch View Post
    I'm thinking of going shorter stem, wider riser bar. What you think?
    Only you can really answer that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kill_Switch View Post
    I'm so glad I found this post! Long story short I'm getting back into the sport, found a killer deal on a barley used 2015 Superlight, and am now beginning to like Enduro more than XC. I wanted to change the ride up a bit but not break the bank. Bought the SL to get me back into the sport, and in a few years I'll drop a chunk of change on a dream ride...anyways did you make the fork swap? I'm thinking of going shorter stem, wider riser bar. What you think?
    My 2001 has been modernized with 60mm stem, 720 bar, 90-130 Talas that usually stays in the 130 position. It rides great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frankn View Post
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    My commuter bike, I ride trails to and from work in Adelaide, South Australia. I've owned the bike from new in 2001 when I was hack racing XC. It's been used ever since for XC/AM etc. My boys "occasionally" ride it if they fancy a days riding or if I can convince them to join me on a ride. I'm thinking of getting an angled stem to raise the bars a bit as nowadays I find the riding position attack oriented and I've gotten used to a slacker riding position on my TBc.



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    That rear triangle is the 2004-6 (or whatever) version. Did you have to replace the original? Did you notice a difference?

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    Superlight Love

    Good eye SS,
    yes I had to replace the rear triangle after the original cracked at the main pivot.
    Couldn't tell any difference from the original at the time.

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    Superlight, love is sweeter the second time around.

    I sold my Superlight to get fund my Nickel project and I wanted to kick myself in the head... it is a bit hard to find good SL in my part of the world... so when I saw a used Superlight frame, I never hesitated to get it... Now can't wait to build it up...


    sold this

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    to get this:

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    Found this:

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    Happy to have found a tapered model, planning to put a 140 mm fork but with zero stack headset... anyone tried this before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by saddle pimp View Post
    I sold my Superlight to get fund my Nickel project and I wanted to kick myself in the head... it is a bit hard to find good SL in my part of the world... so when I saw a used Superlight frame, I never hesitated to get it... Now can't wait to build it up...
    Did you not like the Nickel, or are you going to have a Nickel and Superlight now? The Nickel is a cool bike for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    Did you not like the Nickel, or are you going to have a Nickel and Superlight now? The Nickel is a cool bike for sure.
    I'm converting the Nickel to LT (200x57 mm). The Nickel have been great so far and will keep it, it is built a bit on the heavy side (Float RLC 36, HR2, etc) planning to build The Superlight on the skinny side of things, Float 32, Ardent/Ikon, WTB i19, for a more XC oriented ride... it was sold at a great deal, so I grabbed at the chance... will be doing a 650 conversion on the SL by the way...

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    Quote Originally Posted by saddle pimp View Post
    will be doing a 650 conversion on the SL by the way...

    Is this a Superlight that came with 29's?
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    Superlight Love-image.jpg
    Here's my ride. 2015

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleared2land View Post
    Is this a Superlight that came with 29's?
    Nope they are 26'er... and yes I had success with 27.5 conversion with my previous Superlight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saddle pimp View Post
    Nope they are 26'er... and yes I had success with 27.5 conversion with my previous Superlight.
    I can see the success of going from a 26 to a 27.5 much better than going from a 29 to a 27.5

    I think that could be a workable plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleared2land View Post
    I can see the success of going from a 26 to a 27.5 much better than going from a 29 to a 27.5

    I think that could be a workable plan.
    Yes, many 650B conversion on the SL before the 650B became the "IT" sized wheels. The first picture of SL actually is already a 650 B conversion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by saddle pimp View Post
    Yes, many 650B conversion on the SL before the 650B became the "IT" sized wheels. The first picture of SL actually is already a 650 B conversion...

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    Interesting!

    I wonder how different the actual 650b frame is to the 26in version?

    Is the geometry different with 650b tires?

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    Picked up a 2010 Superlight D to replace the Giant I broke. It's in nearly new condition, still has the original tires, and I got it for chump change. First ride today... Awesome! Handles like a dream, inspires confidence, I could have stayed out there all day. Couldn't be happier.
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    Superlight with Manitou Minute Pro 140mm

    Quote Originally Posted by saddle pimp View Post
    I sold my Superlight to get fund my Nickel project and I wanted to kick myself in the head... it is a bit hard to find good SL in my part of the world... so when I saw a used Superlight frame, I never hesitated to get it... Now can't wait to build

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    Happy to have found a tapered model, planning to put a 140 mm fork but with zero stack headset... anyone tried this before?
    My Superlight is a dream ride with a Manitou Minute Pro 140mm fork , on a Cane Creek ZS headset, its beautiful man.....just beautiful !

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    My Superlight Ride

    here is what she looks like with Manitou Minute Pro 140MM FORK..


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    2012 26" SC Superlight with 140mm Manitou Minute Pro fork, Fox Float CTD Rear shock, SRAM X9 shifter, SRAM 1070 10 speed cassete, SRAM chain, Spank Spike 35mm stem, Outlaw Rims, Shimano Deore M615 hydaulic brakes, with 203mm rotors, Race Face Atlas cranks, Race Face 32t NW Chain ring, Race Face Atlas 785mm bar, Cane Creek headset, SRAM X9 deraileur, WTB Pro saddle, Giant seat post, Continental Mountain King on front tire and Kenda Small Block 8 on rear tire, ODI Grips
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    has anyone here converted their SL into a single speed. I have the 2012 SL 29 and was thinking of converting it to single speed for fun. Have a 27.5 now which is my main ride.

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    I rode my 26er single speed for 3 years. Loved it. I used a 38 biopace front and a 20 Surly cog at the back. The chain lined up perfectly with the main pivot and the suspension felt so good. I used an old rear derailleur as a tensioner, and later I used a cheap tensioner from eBay.
    Make sure you size your chain with the rear end completely compressed.

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    Tempted by a new frame. I had a 2012 frame but sold it, regretted it since. Any thoughts on xc endurance build? I prefer the simplicity compared to a Tallboy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clink View Post
    I prefer the simplicity compared to a Tallboy.
    Are you saying that the Superlight is more simplistic than the Talboy? If that's correct, curiously why?

    I have a Superlight and a Tallboy.
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    Isn't the Superlight simpler because it has fewer pivots and linkages?

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    Quote Originally Posted by goog64 View Post
    Isn't the Superlight simpler because it has fewer pivots and linkages?
    Yup.
    Basically simpler to maintain with less moving parts on the pivot.
    Not a positive or a negative, simply the way it is.

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    intuitively, I understand, but I need to say that the VPP pivot system is pretty maintenance free and easy to maintain when you do mess with them.

    All things aside, the single pivot is about as simple, effective and easy to maintain as you're gonna get. I can't say nothing bad about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barman1 View Post
    Yup.
    Basically simpler to maintain with less moving parts on the pivot.
    Not a positive or a negative, simply the way it is.
    Yep, exactly that. So, Cleared2land, how do they compare?

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    The tallboy has less pedal bob and rear end flex when being pushed hard. However, the Superlight is a great ride and accommodates upgrades well.
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    Just picked her up today. Haven't had a bike in several years and this is the first 29er I have ever ridden. Absolute blast!!!!!!!!!!!!


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    Welcome to the club.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegweed View Post
    Welcome to the club.
    Thank you sir!!!!!!!!!

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    I've always thought that the 29'r Superlight was a great bike for a great value. Treat it right and ride it hard. With proper maintenance, it will give you many miles of smiles. Mine has over 10,000 miles and still performs wonderfully.
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    Hello everyone im new to the whole mtb scene. I bought a santa cruz frame i really dont know if i ended up overpaying but most likely i did haha. Well frame cost me 280dls i dont know what year it is so please help me with that. Rest of the bike already had the parts and took them off another basic bike i had.
    I'm thinking about painting it from scratch so ill have to take all parts off. But before i do please help me know what year it is, and well what are the original parts for the year my bike is. I'm going to need to change the crankset and such parts around that area. Then again im new so please help me out hehe thanks!Superlight Love-00o0o_cncrnzyhsin_600x450.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by metalicshiek View Post
    Hello everyone im new to the whole mtb scene. I bought a santa cruz frame i really dont know if i ended up overpaying but most likely i did haha. Well frame cost me 280dls i dont know what year it is so please help me with that. Rest of the bike already had the parts and took them off another basic bike i had.
    I'm thinking about painting it from scratch so ill have to take all parts off. But before i do please help me know what year it is, and well what are the original parts for the year my bike is. I'm going to need to change the crankset and such parts around that area. Then again im new so please help me out hehe thanks!Click image for larger version. 

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    Judging from the swingarm, its a pre 2008 mode, Prob 2004 to 2006 thereabouts.

    The fork looks to have rusted.

    Bike looks good though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIM37 View Post
    Judging from the swingarm, its a pre 2008 mode, Prob 2004 to 2006 thereabouts.

    The fork looks to have rusted.

    Bike looks good though.
    My 2004 has the swing arm like that, it was made USA. The frame cost more $1000 back then so you are doing OK. I still riding that bike even I have nicer bike now

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    Thanks for the fast reply guys. Phew makes me feel a bit better now. About the fork, i took it off a dawes mtb i no longer used. I want to upgrade it to a better one but i dont even know if this model of santa cruz can be upgraded to a 27.5 tires can it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by metalicshiek View Post
    Thanks for the fast reply guys. Phew makes me feel a bit better now. About the fork, i took it off a dawes mtb i no longer used. I want to upgrade it to a better one but i dont even know if this model of santa cruz can be upgraded to a 27.5 tires can it?
    May have to lose the crossbone in the seatstay.

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    I wouldn't remove the brace as it there to add stability and rigidity.


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    Grab some 27.5's and throw them on. I'm betting if none of your friends have them, an LBS would help you out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metalicshiek View Post
    Thanks for the fast reply guys. Phew makes me feel a bit better now. About the fork, i took it off a dawes mtb i no longer used. I want to upgrade it to a better one but i dont even know if this model of santa cruz can be upgraded to a 27.5 tires can it?
    27.5 may not clear the rear end, unless you run thin tyres (which kind of negates the wheelsize btw).

    Just stock up on 26 stuff as much as you can, a lot of people are dumping good shiat on ebay and Craigslist. I'm still on 26s.

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    Do you think there is going to be difficulties in obtaining 26" tyres in the next couple of years?


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    Don't think so.

    Some brands still offer 26" bikes. taking a look at CRC, most of the tyres available are still 26".

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    Quote Originally Posted by metalicshiek View Post
    Thanks for the fast reply guys. Phew makes me feel a bit better now. About the fork, i took it off a dawes mtb i no longer used. I want to upgrade it to a better one but i dont even know if this model of santa cruz can be upgraded to a 27.5 tires can it?
    Now that you mentioned the fork, the angle "does" look quite steep. For a superlight of that era, put in a 100mm fork. A 120 will be the sweet spot though. Again there should be loads of pre loved forks on ebay/Craigslist.

    Just make sure the steerer length is long enough before you commit the purchase

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIM37 View Post
    Now that you mentioned the fork, the angle "does" look quite steep. For a superlight of that era, put in a 100mm fork. A 120 will be the sweet spot though. Again there should be loads of pre loved forks on ebay/Craigslist.

    Just make sure the steerer length is long enough before you commit the purchase
    Hello everyone an update with my bike i had it completly broke down and remove all the old paint and now it will be a red candy shiny color. Need to replace fork thou, whats the difference in 100mm, 120mm and so on. Im looking for some in ebay. And also was rhis bike originally 7,8, or 9 speed? Im buying everything from scratch want it to seem good as new ill show pictures once its completly painted i bought car paint. Needs to dry up so they can put the clear on it to make it even more shiny.

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    Looks like my 2002...

    Quote Originally Posted by metalicshiek View Post
    Hello everyone an update with my bike i had it completly broke down and remove all the old paint and now it will be a red candy shiny color. Need to replace fork thou, whats the difference in 100mm, 120mm and so on. Im looking for some in ebay. And also was rhis bike originally 7,8, or 9 speed? Im buying everything from scratch want it to seem good as new ill show pictures once its completly painted i bought car paint. Needs to dry up so they can put the clear on it to make it even more shiny.
    From what I recall, that gunmetal grey was around in 2002 and 2003.
    I upgraded everything on mine between the time I purchased it new to when I sold it in late 2014. The only thing left stock when I sold it was the front derailleur, the seatpost clamp and the brake levers. When I upgraded the fork from the Duke to a Fox Float, Santa Cruz told me not to go bigger than 100 mm on the fork. Learn more about your new bike here:
    The History of the Superlight - NSMB.com (I must have purchased one of the very last made in the U.S.A. b/c even though it was a 2002, it still had the stars and stripes and the words "Made in USA" on the back of the seatstay.)

    I'm assuming mine was a 2002 based on the specs here:
    2002 Santa Cruz Superlight R - BikePedia

    Have fun with that bike--I really liked it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by metalicshiek View Post
    Hello everyone an update with my bike i had it completly broke down and remove all the old paint and now it will be a red candy shiny color. Need to replace fork thou, whats the difference in 100mm, 120mm and so on. Im looking for some in ebay. And also was rhis bike originally 7,8, or 9 speed? Im buying everything from scratch want it to seem good as new ill show pictures once its completly painted i bought car paint. Needs to dry up so they can put the clear on it to make it even more shiny.
    I think from memory, the 2002 was recommended by Santa Cruz for a 100mm fork only.

    The key measurement is the axle-to-crown measurement. A 100mm Fox 32 will run about 470mm A2C. A 120mm will be about 490mm. A 140mm fork would be... silly. Other models and other brands may have a greater or lesser A2C.

    There is a thread on this stuff with some info on A2C for various forks here: Forks: Complete Axle to Crown Lengths Library

    Originally it would have been 9sp but there is nothing stopping you from running 10sp if you choose. 11 speed requires a different freehub body. You could still run 11sp but be mindful of the freehub.

    If you want it to be "good as new" then throw in some new pivot bearings and shock bushes, just to be sure they're good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Grumpy View Post
    I think from memory, the 2002 was recommended by Santa Cruz for a 100mm fork only.
    Uncle has it covered. I think the longer forks weren't recommended since they put too much leverage on the SL's head tube, or something......... They weren't from the 100mm+ forks up front era either so the geometry wouldn't be helped either.

    Atleast with 100mm front and rear travel then it is balanced. Oneness between horse and rider and all of that.

    If you want it to be "good as new" then throw in some new pivot bearings and shock bushes, just to be sure they're good.
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    It is must do. Worn clunking bushes will drive you crazy and not help your shock mounts at all. Replace the shock DU bushings. It is worth the investment if you are going to keep your SL.

    If you have a Fox out back then this might help you. They act like a larger roller bearing thingys and are smoother than the standard wear-out-sooner-or-later bushes. Mine has no clunk or play after about 3 years now and I wouldn't buy the traditional ones ever again.

    Heavy Duty Mount Kits - Shock Mount Hardware - Products - TF Tuned

    My RP23 uses this size.

    Heavy-Duty Mount Kit, 12.7mm, M8x22
    Heavy-Duty Mount Kit, 12.7mm, M6x40.6

    I think most Fox shocks use the same for the earlier generation SL/Hecklers- but check it and check one more

    Pop out the old ones and just measure them up. TFtuned can also confirm the sizing if you tell them what you have now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Crudley View Post
    Uncle has it covered. I think the longer forks weren't recommended since they put too much leverage on the SL's head tube, or something......... They weren't from the 100mm+ forks up front era either so the geometry wouldn't be helped either.

    Atleast with 100mm front and rear travel then it is balanced. Oneness between horse and rider and all of that.



    It is must do. Worn clunking bushes will drive you crazy and not help your shock mounts at all. Replace the shock DU bushings. It is worth the investment if you are going to keep your SL.

    If you have a Fox out back then this might help you. They act like a larger roller bearing thingys and are smoother than the standard wear-out-sooner-or-later bushes. Mine has no clunk or play after about 3 years now and I wouldn't buy the traditional ones ever again.

    Heavy Duty Mount Kits - Shock Mount Hardware - Products - TF Tuned

    My RP23 uses this size.

    Heavy-Duty Mount Kit, 12.7mm, M8x22
    Heavy-Duty Mount Kit, 12.7mm, M6x40.6

    I think most Fox shocks use the same for the earlier generation SL/Hecklers- but check it and check one more

    Pop out the old ones and just measure them up. TFtuned can also confirm the sizing if you tell them what you have now.
    Hello guys here again with another question. Since i explained earlier im buying all parts new.
    Now im stuck on which crankset to buy. I already picked the Cassette 9 speed... and even the shifters deore's.
    Amazon.com
    There is the link, now which crankset will adapt to that cassette? Thanks for the input and i shall upload picture when its finally done. I Already ordered a budget front shock from rockshox was like 140dls so far...

    Help in my question with the group set of itemsi just put on wish list thank you! want to order these today so they arrive by thursday with amazon awesome 2 day free shipping!

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    I have a 2002 era SL. I've been running a 120mm fork for 4yrs without any problems. I prefer 120 over the 100 because of the steep HA.
    I'm not sure where the comment that 11sp needs a new free-hub as Shimano make 11sp cassettes that fit standard hubs. PraxisWorks also do a 11-40 10sp(what I use) paired with shadow XT RD with clutch. Only SRAM cassettes need a driver adaptor.
    Shock bushings are a consumeable item, always replace at the 1st sign of movement. Crankset, I'm running XT with a PraxisWorks single ring or if you prefer go 2by front (you can choose a 2x and just run as 1x - use spacers, longer bolts to get correct chain line). Most crank sets with correct bb size will work fine. If you buy a 2x you can try it out both ways until you are happy.


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    Hey Guys quick question found a SL it's a 2013 from what i've been told...
    What's a fair price??
    It's stock and in like new condition


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