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    Loving my Monsterlight

    Built mine up to be more of a trail bike. 140mm Trace with two piece offset shock hardware. Rides like a dream .

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    Only two rides in so far, but the bike does everything I had hoped and it does it very well. Kind of rides like a 29" Heckler. lol

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    @jvh22a, and in general

    I would never trade in rear wheel travel for slightly bigger wheels. The benefit does not outweigh the loss. Especially if the loss of travel also comes with the need to run wimpy tires for clearance.

    26" wheels work fine and are what the frame was designed for. I'd leave it 26, or make it a 76er (a cool option, I think).

    People will do crazy things to jump in on the latest fashion, but 650b is not the best despite what some marketing types will tell you. It's just another option, and not always a good one.

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    Yup. I now know. Hahaa! The frame was so cheap I had to buy it.

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    i got my 3.3 frame yesterday and went to home depot to get some items to put together a diy head press tool. i couldnt find a big enough washer for the bottom cup so i went looking around my garage.

    i found an intercooler V-band end and tried it out. it fits amazingly well. it is aluminum though so not sure how strong it will be using it as a press.
    anyways it is a 2in ID pipe end for a V-band. you get 2 in a set and one of them will have a ridge that goes into a recessed grove on the other fitting; use the one with the raised ridge. the bottom cup sits right up against the ridge with very little play. i hear a lot of people say it is a pain to get the cup and all washers to stay aligned, so this should help with that.

    flip the fitting over and the top cup fits perfectly into the recessed part of the fitting.

    headset is ; cane creek ZS44/28.6 EC49/40

    home depot parts
    8" 3/4 bolt
    few 3/4 washers
    few 5/8 washers
    washers need to be the thick kind.

    for the top cup i use a 5/8 washer to push down on the v-band fitting

    for the bottom cup i use 5/8 washer to go into the recessed and the a 3/4 washer on top of that. then the bolt goes though and nut goes on the other side with some washer.
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    Anyone here with a 2014 SL been having issues with the rear Easton Skewer? It seems to be creeping out of alignment every now and then. Going to be replacing it this week, likely with a Shimano XT one which seems to get pretty good reviews.

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    Installed the headset last night. It didn't work as I had planned. Ended up just using a small piece of wood I had laying around and soft blow hammer. The hammer method actually only took about 5min for the first one(bottom) and this is my first headset install ever.

    Been watching YouTube how to for 3 days straight! Still got to learn how to adjust derailleur and cables, chain length. Everything else is just bolt on.

    Did you guys with the 2013 3.3 frme need to use a low mount front derailleur?

    As it sits now seems heavier then my jamis dragon hard tail.
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    Installing the lower EC cup was a PITA. The upper cup went in easy peasy.

    Front D:

    Shimano 34.9 top swing/top (or dual) pull. A Shimano E-type (BB mount) top swing/top (or dual) pull works just fine too.
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Current state of my wife's XS Juliana 3.3 650b conversion... Just installed and serviced the Fox 32 120mm 26" fork and installed Shimano brakes. It should be a little XC/trail rocket!
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    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    anyone with a 3.3 frame that can take some measurements for me? seems like my shock is to short or my chain stay is short.

    -shock has 41mm of body before tapering down to the bolt area.
    -rear drop out to BB is 16.75in center to center
    -bottom chain stay bolt to the top stay bolt ; 9in.
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    Looks like the shock is not the correct one. The swing arm should be close to the seat tube when the shock fully is extended.



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    thanks; ive been looking around on goggle and even the santa cruz sale site and all show the chain stay further back then mine.
    just measured the shock distance. the shock that came on the bike is 6.5 center to center. but i need about a 7.5 center to center. i just sent an email to santa cruz so lets see what happens.
    my seat tube has a long black skid make. hope it comes off.

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    From dirt Rag SL 29er review:

    Small and medium Superlight 29er frames run a shorter shock (6.5◊1.5 versus the 7.875◊2-inch shock found on the large and extra-large sizes.)
    Not sure if this is the case with your 3.3 also

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    i hope it's not. cause from all other pictures the chainstay is really close to the front seat tube. mine is a good 1.5 to far forward.

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    Mine is a medium.

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    Superlight Love

    Something really weird must be going on with the frame then...
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    wrong shock

    Quote Originally Posted by plussa View Post
    From dirt Rag SL 29er review:



    Not sure if this is the case with your 3.3 also
    you got an 29er shock on your 3.3 frame. Call Santa Cruz. 3.3 have a 7.785x2.0 shock.

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    But why in all photos show the chain stay tilted back more.

    Anyone with a 3.3 frame in medium post a pic. I talked santa cruz this morning but won't hear back till tomorrow or late today.

    I want to see other owners bikes instead of sale photos from their site.

    26 is an option. My wife wants me to keep it for her. She wants to start riding next year.
    I see some 26 wheels. But most are not the hub I need and cost a lot (to me that is) but if I can get a new heckler or bantam (for got which one) for about 2100. That would be a better deal.

    So if anyone has a medium please post up your pics.

    Thanks all for the help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigrocks View Post
    The Superlight frames have been built like that since at least 2010.

    Why not just buy a Bantam that is designed for 27.5 wheels?

    if i didnt have the frame already i would get a new bike. sport chalet has a sale now and have my size but im alreay in for $700 just for the frame/headset.


    but main thing now is, do i have the right shock. so i want to see other members with a medium frame just to confirm.


    if the shock is right then ill just dump this frame and get a entire new bike. i have a week or so before the sale ends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jvh22a View Post
    if i didnt have the frame already i would get a new bike. sport chalet has a sale now and have my size but im alreay in for $700 just for the frame/headset.


    but main thing now is, do i have the right shock. so i want to see other members with a medium frame just to confirm.


    if the shock is right then ill just dump this frame and get a entire new bike. i have a week or so before the sale ends.
    Or you could...dare I say it....get a set of 26in wheels for it and still have a nice bike.

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    i dont mind 26" wheels. after we can determine if the shock is right then ill know if i will continue with the build or get an new bike.
    sport chalet had a heckler or bantam(forgot which one) for $1800 or 1900 + tax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigrocks View Post
    Wrong...for the 26" 3.3 frames the small and medium frames were spec'ed with 1.5 inch stroke shocks and the Large, XLarge frames were spec'ed with 2 inch stroke shocks.
    No
    For 26in 3.3
    Only the small have 1.5in stroke. med,large and xlarge have 2in stroke on rear shock

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    Quote Originally Posted by CDK View Post
    No
    For 26in 3.3
    Only the small have 1.5in stroke. med,large and xlarge have 2in stroke on rear shock
    This is what also believed to be true. Small (and my wife's XS Juliana 3.3) have a 6.5" stroke shock.

    Your swing arm, at rest, looks waaaaay to forward in relation to the seat tube. Almost looks like your shock isn't currently at full stroke. Have you checked to see if it's only at 30psi or something crazy like that?
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Thanks for the replies.

    I've pumped 160psi but still looks the same. I don't think it could be pressure casue the length measures exact 6.5 /1.5, so I think it is just a wrong shock.

    SC hasn't called or email me yet so I'll see in a few days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hokiebrett View Post
    This is what also believed to be true. Small (and my wife's XS Juliana 3.3) have a 6.5" stroke shock.
    It is not just what I believe it is how it is for a fact per santa cruz

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    Sorry, typo. It is what I believed to be true... And you're confirming with fact
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    guys; thanks for all your input. i just got a ship notice from santa cruz but no call to confirm the size of the shock.

    only thing it could be is the shock. once i get it in, ill update. again thanks to everyone and to all that i PM to bother with this.

    hope to be on the bike soon.

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    I've got a 2013 XL SL 29 I just grabbed new last week and have been tweaking a little bit to get it adjusted to my height, 6'6.
    Picked up a 10 degree riser stem and layback seat post but still felt like it needed a taller fork so I just got a 120mm Reba to replace the 100mm Recon that came stock.
    Question is: with the 71 degree head angle on my 2013 should I get an offset headset? The newer SL geometry states a 70.2 angle on the xl with the 120mm fork that comes stock. Is it the 120 fork height that slackens the angle or has the frame been redesigned since my 2013?
    Basically I'm looking to get a balance to ease the twitchy front end and keep from flying over the bars on nasty downhills, again.

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    The SL now comes with 120mm fork standard, so the newest geometry chart has its measures taken with a 120mm fork, the old one with 100mm. Thus the difference in figures. Your HA should already be 70.2 now... A dropper post helps a lot more downhill than slackening the head angle would.

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    Has anybody else drilled a drain hole under the BB?

    I just drilled a 3mm hole to get rid of the water that was going there from the seat collar. (maybe?)

    There were always a couple tablespoonfuls of water after riding in wet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by plussa View Post
    The SL now comes with 120mm fork standard, so the newest geometry chart has its measures taken with a 120mm fork, the old one with 100mm. Thus the difference in figures. Your HA should already be 70.2 now... A dropper post helps a lot more downhill than slackening the head angle would.
    That's the answer I was looking for. I don't need to mess around with an offset.
    I was thinking dropper post but I'll wait to check the performance after I get the 120 fork installed.
    Thanks.

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    Dropper post is easily one of the best upgrades you can do for the bike when pointed downhill. That and a short stem/wide bars go a LONG way.

    That said, slack HTA also helps. Which is why I did that too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barman1 View Post
    In the course of a week I've purchased the bike, new Reba forks, riser stem, layback post, tires, and a few other gizmo's to make the bike fit me. Now I'm noticing a little oil on the shock that I need to keep an eye on. If it gets too bad I'll probably buy another to upgrade just to have one to swap for no down time. The dropper is going to have to wait till my credit card cools down a little.
    Hahaha. I totally understand. Much easier to tell someone else they "NEED" something when it comes out of their pocket. . Reba is a sick fork. I have one on my single speed. It's been great. You'll like it. But the fork you really neeeed is.... lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by pointerDixie214 View Post
    Dropper post is easily one of the best upgrades you can do for the bike when pointed downhill. That and a short stem/wide bars go a LONG way.

    That said, slack HTA also helps. Which is why I did that too.
    In the course of a week I've purchased the bike, new Reba forks, riser stem, layback post, tires, and a few other gizmo's to make the bike fit me. Now I'm noticing a little oil on the shock that I need to keep an eye on. If it gets too bad I'll probably buy another to upgrade just to have one to swap for no down time. The dropper is going to have to wait till my credit card cools down a little.

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    Forgive me for resurrecting an old thread. It's an oldie but a goodie, just like my superlight!

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    Just finished today. I got the frame from SC sale page.
    Some parts from my 2 month old jamis dragon and some new.

    New parts
    Deore XT m785 brakes
    Front/rear 180mm rotors
    KS lev-dx 125mm
    XT derailleur
    Forte pedals
    Cane creek headset
    Chain
    Cables/housing


    Everything else is from my 2 month old jamis dragon.

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    What size Saguaros? Any buzzing of the for derailleur or cable stop?
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47 View Post
    What size Saguaros? Any buzzing of the for derailleur or cable stop?
    They are 2.2. Original on the jamis dragon
    I haven't used all the travel and you will not hit the derailluer only the cable stop.

    I'm 180lbs
    Shock is set about 155psi
    Ctd was set on "trail"

    I've only jumped off the side walk curb and did not hit anything.

    I have a kenda 2.35 I'm going to try out tomorrow.

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    Good to know

    Quote Originally Posted by jvh22a View Post
    I've only jumped off the side walk curb and did not hit anything.

    I have a kenda 2.35 I'm going to try out tomorrow.
    Same here got mine from the SC online sale. Bike has only been setup 1x. Thinking of going 2x and I've buzzed the stop on WTB 2.2 Wolverines and BeeLines. Not on the 2.1 Nevegals or XMarks(running them now). The 2.35 Nev may give you some contact.

    Curious to your switch to SL from the Dragon?

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    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    I like the dragon and it is a great bike. I just wanted something with a rear suspension. I always wanted a santa cruz but can't afford the other models

    Someone showed me a link to SC sale site and I bought one.

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    Ditto. Couldn't beat the SL frame price either. Have a 650 hardtail aswell built up from an economical Price Point Sette Reken frame.
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    went for a ride and the brakes are amazing, but for me it is a bit to much.

    originally i had m447 calipers and 160mm rotors. worked great. on the new frame i switched to deore xt m785 with 180f/160r and it would stop a bit to fast for me. im still new to biking so i know i have to get use to it. the m447 i had worked great but i feel that i had better modulation. might just be that i got use to it and the xt are still new to me.

    but really the only reason i got the xt was for the looks. old brakes worked fine for my skill level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barman1 View Post
    That's the answer I was looking for. I don't need to mess around with an offset.
    I was thinking dropper post but I'll wait to check the performance after I get the 120 fork installed.
    Thanks.
    I rode mine for a few months with 100mm fork. Nice tight handling but not as good in sweeping turns and drops. A few weeks ago I put a 120mm fork on it and couldn't be happier. Made it much nicer as an overall trail bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    I rode mine for a few months with 100mm fork. Nice tight handling but not as good in sweeping turns and drops. A few weeks ago I put a 120mm fork on it and couldn't be happier. Made it much nicer as an overall trail bike.
    I got the fork in this week and I'm waiting for a new front wheel, headset, bars, etc, before I do the install. Should all be here by tomorrow. It rides just fine with the 100mm, must be getting accustomed to it.
    The bike is only 2 weeks old so the 120 install will feel like it's brand new all over again.

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    ^^Just a followup from a couple of weeks ago.^^
    Definitely a better handling bike overall now, or maybe I'm just getting used to it.
    The only difference from this picture I took last week is I installed a 40t Hope granny ring today. Haven't tested it out yet but I'm thinking there are a few nasty hills on my regular trails that are going to be toast tomorrow.



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    Cool-blue Rhythm

    Here's some more Superlight love for you... Bike now updated with Light-Bicycle 30mm hookless rims / DT240s / DT Super Comp wheelset:



    All cables go from left side for cleaner looks...


    CNC & Carbon porn:


    Santa Cruz bicycles CEO face staring at me when I ride:


    Custom green decals to match the stripe in seat tube:


    The wheelset was a great upgrade over the previous ZTR Crest one! The difference in stiffness is huge, and it's very noticeable when cornering, riding through rock gardens or off-camber stuff.

    I previously thought it was the rear end of the frame that was flexy, when it really was the rear wheel. With DT Swiss RWS thru-bolt in the rear hub, I'm not missing any stiffness at all. As a bonus, tires are not squirming anymore with low pressures because of wider rims...

    Next update: 110mm air shaft for the SID XX fork...
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    Nice to see a Superlight with high end build, even though Santa Cruz doesn't offer the top builds off the shelf. That is a sweet bike.

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    I wish they offered a carbon version of Superlight... Santa Cruz are you listening?! It could be made of the same lower grade carbon as the cheaper carbon Tallboy, and priced like aluminum Tallboy. But still be as light as the higher-grade Carbon C Tallboy, but with less creaking bearings. And maybe slightly slacker head angle, that would be killer...

    I'm just a fan of simple and affordable single-pivot bikes. Although I ride a USD 5500 road frame, I have problems spending lots of cash on something that gets covered in mud and thrown at rocks...

    Santa Cruz used to offer Superlight XTR/X.0 builds until 2011 if I remember correctly...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by plussa View Post
    I wish they offered a carbon version of Superlight... Santa Cruz are you listening?! It could be made of the same lower grade carbon as the cheaper carbon Tallboy, and priced like aluminum Tallboy. But still be as light as the higher-grade Carbon C Tallboy, but with less creaking bearings. And maybe slightly slacker head angle, that would be killer...

    I'm just a fan of simple and affordable single-pivot bikes. Although I ride a USD 5500 road frame, I have problems spending lots of cash on something that gets covered in mud and thrown at rocks...

    Santa Cruz used to offer Superlight XTR/X.0 builds until 2011 if I remember correctly...?
    I agree with your sentiment but it ain't gonna happen. The perception in the market place is single pivot are econo rigs and are thusly decked out in aluminum and lower end components to confirm their status in the product line. There's choice but only if your willing to pay more...
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    Still loving my superlight I built about 3 years ago

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    New build 9/14

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    Brand new build superlight ~ rocking it in the trail few rides.

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    Been back reading on the thread... I converted my 26 SL to 650B wheels. 2,25 Ardents in front and 2.1 Crossmarks in the rear... Question is, will an 2.2 Ardent fit the rear without rubbing the cable tabs in the seat tube? planning to put a HR 2 up front and relegate the Ardent 2.25 in the rear... anyone who have tried this out??? thanks

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    I had ardent 2.25 for a few rides. Although I'm not that experience but small drops/jumps didn't rub the cable stops. I did rub the actual cable it self about 3in up closer to the seat clamp area. But was much. I just slide the cable back towards the front a bit and now no rubbing
    I have kenda 2.3 front and ardent 2.25 rear

    Edit: tires are 2.25 not 2.2

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    Quote Originally Posted by jvh22a View Post
    I had ardent 2.25 for a few rides. Although I'm not that experience but small drops/jumps didn't rub the cable stops. I did rub the actual cable it self about 3in up closer to the seat clamp area. But was much. I just slide the cable back towards the front a bit and now no rubbing
    I have kenda 2.3 front and ardent 2.25 rear
    Thanks jvh22a... will be moving the Ardents towards the rear and the HR2 up front... and besides no FD on the SL since I went 1x10... now it would handle better the chunky side of things! thanks for the heads up!!!

    Next question, I have purchased a Fox Float RLC 150 mm 15TA to replace the F series RLC 120 mm 9mm QR to give additional stiffness up front... will it handle better or worse in 130 mm or put it back to the 120 mm? i sometimes find it sketchy when bombing down tech rocky stuff. in the 100 mm and 120 mm. I just hope the 15mm TA up front will make adifference and 130mm???

    Edit: tires are 2.25 not 2.2

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    Re: Superlight Love

    Loaded up on the new truck and rack and heading out for a ride. 55 degrees here this AM, freakin awesome. Have a great ride today everyone.


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    Quote Originally Posted by saddle pimp View Post
    Thanks jvh22a... will be moving the Ardents towards the rear and the HR2 up front... and besides no FD on the SL since I went 1x10... now it would handle better the chunky side of things! thanks for the heads up!!!

    Next question, I have purchased a Fox Float RLC 150 mm 15TA to replace the F series RLC 120 mm 9mm QR to give additional stiffness up front... will it handle better or worse in 130 mm or put it back to the 120 mm? i sometimes find it sketchy when bombing down tech rocky stuff. in the 100 mm and 120 mm. I just hope the 15mm TA up front will make adifference and 130mm???

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    A ride buddy used to run a 140 on his SL but with 26" wheels. I think that travel setting pushes the headtube angle past what SC would consider legit on the SL and he's a pretty stocky guy and would hit stuff that he should have been on a Heckler or Bullit and never had a problem with it. But I think you'll notice abit of handling difference climbing and turning with a 130 along with the 650's(I know you've had them on with the other fork).

    That should be a good tire setup. Most opinions on the Ardent is it's a better rr tire(the 2.25 anyway). I'm thinking the Ardents might be as tall as the HR2. Curious to see if the new(er) fork has the same tire clearance at the crown. I've seen something on one of the 150 models not having as much. As for running Ardent in the back, if you got rid of your fr der cable stop you should be good unless you use up a lot of the travel normally. I had run a 2.2 Wolverine previously and it buzzes mine on a med frame. I'm only ~140#'s ride ready. Running a 2.1 CrossMark currently until I decide if I'm going to switch from 1x to a 2x front. Still on fence.

    I've been running a F100 9mm qr and Wolverine 2.2 tire on front of mine but I'm picking up bike from shop today from getting a new Formula 33 120mm travel 15mm t/a fork and stiffer wheel installed that fits a 2.3 Vigilante(the Fox's don't fit). Hoping their will be a noticeable handling improvement over the setup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47 View Post
    A ride buddy used to run a 140 on his SL but with 26" wheels. I think that travel setting pushes the headtube angle past what SC would consider legit on the SL and he's a pretty stocky guy and would hit stuff that he should have been on a Heckler or Bullit and never had a problem with it. But I think you'll notice abit of handling difference climbing and turning with a 130 along with the 650's(I know you've had them on with the other fork).



    That should be a good tire setup. Most opinions on the Ardent is it's a better rr tire(the 2.25 anyway). I'm thinking the Ardents might be as tall as the HR2. Curious to see if the new(er) fork has the same tire clearance at the crown. I've seen something on one of the 150 models not having as much. As for running Ardent in the back, if you got rid of your fr der cable stop you should be good unless you use up a lot of the travel normally. I had run a 2.2 Wolverine previously and it buzzes mine on a med frame. I'm only ~140#'s ride ready. Running a 2.1 CrossMark currently until I decide if I'm going to switch from 1x to a 2x front. Still on fence.

    I've been running a F100 9mm qr and Wolverine 2.2 tire on front of mine but I'm picking up bike from shop today from getting a new Formula 33 120mm travel 15mm t/a fork and stiffer wheel installed that fits a 2.3 Vigilante(the Fox's don't fit). Hoping their will be a noticeable handling improvement over the setup.

    I do hope so, I almost had the SL sold, but i tried 1 more ride and it was and still is a blast... will just keep improving it since it can still hold its ground. I'll try on 130 mm for now and if it feel funny drop it to 110-120... good thing I got a 2011 RLC where in the trave can be adjusted easier by dding or removing spacers inside...

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    Sid XX now set to 110mm with a new air shaft:



    I think the bike is now perfectly balanced... With 100mm I was bottoming out frequently and and the front end was diving too low when braking. But for my taste a 120mm fork would make the steering feel sluggish, and even the 110 felt too tall with 20% sag, but with 25% sag just fine. I can now use slightly lower air pressure with slightly more available travel.

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    Latest version of my 2012 SL (2x9 setup)

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    Lost another pound today!
    2013 Superlight 29 XL, down to 27.5lb.

    I finally caved and went 1x10 with a Raceface narrow wide 30t ring. It felt great getting rid of the front derailleur and shifter. It looks so clean.

    Also installed a set of VP-69 pedals. Not that I'm really trying to shave grams off the bike, just needed to replace the non-rebuildable Azonics that are thrashed after 2 months of use. 4th set of pedals this season...

    Anyway, there are no drivetrain issues even with the 11-40 cassette and long cage. No chain shortening, no derailleur adjusting, totally "plug and play". No chain drops either. Almost perfect for my local terrain.

    No pictures yet, but be sure I'll bore you all to death with them at some point.

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    Just made 2 upgrades to my SL:
    - swapped the 2007 Marzocchi MX Pro for a 2012 RS Recon Gold RL
    - converted to 2x9 22-34 x 11-34, with 170mm cranks instead of 175mm

    Not only is the bike lighter, but the front end is much plusher and with the shorter crank arms I almost eliminated hitting rocks/roots.

    It's like I'm riding 2.0 version of the already excellent Superlight: loving it even more.

    Getting close to my "perfect" setup.
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    Some very nice bikes in this thread.

    Here's the latest version of mine after new pivot bearings, shock axles, serviced rear shock and heavy duty shock bushes from TFtuned here in the UK

    Rides very well indeed, although I am tempted by a new 5010.



    Not the best pic, but build is now as follows

    2007 large annodised frame
    SID 120 15 mm maxle forks
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    Hope pro 2 evo hubs, stans arch EX rims
    Tubeless with intense 2.25 tyres
    1x10 hope 32t retainer front on xtr m970 cranks
    Hope St/ST btm bkt
    11-40 xt + hope trex rear
    Xt shadow plus rear mech
    Xt 10 sp shifter
    King headset
    Easton haven carbon bars
    Random 80mm stem
    Xt m785 brakes 180mm front, 160mm rear
    Lizard skins peaty lock on grips
    Thomson in line seat post
    WTB rocket saddle (I think)
    XT spd pedals.

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    About as finished as I'm going to get it I suppose.
    I had some plans for it with some stiffer wheels and carbon bits but I just pulled the trigger on a Highball carbon 29er.
    Guess where my next few paychecks are going?


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    Quote Originally Posted by joyu View Post
    To your divorce lawyer?

    I am running out of hiding places for all of the new bikes and parts.
    I'll have to start moving some things into the storage unit. Might as well get comfortable there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barman1 View Post
    Lost another pound today!

    I finally caved and went 1x10 with a Raceface narrow wide 30t ring. It felt great getting rid of the front derailleur and shifter. It looks so clean.

    Anyway, there are no drivetrain issues even with the 11-40 cassette and long cage. No chain shortening, no derailleur adjusting, totally "plug and play". No chain drops either. Almost perfect for my local terrain.

    No pictures yet, but be sure I'll bore you all to death with them at some point.
    I recently went with the RaceFace NW 32 on my 2013 Superlight 29 size small. Love it... and also no issues to this point, although I did replace the chain since it was about time anyway.
    NTFTC

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    Bumping this thread with a new pic. A classic frame needs classic looking tires...

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    That looks great!

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    Wow!!! Have been riding this same bike for almost ten years now! I still love it! Rebuilt both front and rear shocks, went through countless set of tires and added:

    - Chris King bottom bracket
    - WTB titanium Rocket Saddle

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    Superlight Love

    ^^^such an awesome shot!^^^


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    Cold!! day today and bored with 3 feet of snow so I dragged the Superlight into the living room and went to work.
    It was a job that was bugging me just in case I want to take a trip south to ride for a week the bike needs to be ready.
    All new everything. Except for the shock and cable housings anyway.
    New Pro Pack, 2x10 26-39 XO carbon cranks, X9 derailleurs and shifters, Easton carbon bars and post, Manitou Tower Pro fork, Diety compound pedals, Hayes stroker gram brakes, Stan's ZTR Arch EX 3.30 hubs, Sram PG-1070 cassette 11-36, all ti hardware, etc, etc...
    Now weighs in at 26.4 pounds. Not too shabby, I'm happy with that.

    I still may upgrade the shock from the stock unit that I've ridden for a season. I'm sure there's plenty of life left in it but any recommendations??

    Sorry for the boring indoor shot but other than dragging it back out and stuffing it in a 4 foot snowbank...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barman1 View Post
    Cold!! day today and bored with 3 feet of snow so I dragged the Superlight into the living room and went to work.
    It was a job that was bugging me just in case I want to take a trip south to ride for a week the bike needs to be ready.
    All new everything. Except for the shock and cable housings anyway.
    New Pro Pack, 2x10 26-39 XO carbon cranks, X9 derailleurs and shifters, Easton carbon bars and post, Manitou Tower Pro fork, Diety compound pedals, Hayes stroker gram brakes, Stan's ZTR Arch EX 3.30 hubs, Sram PG-1070 cassette 11-36, all ti hardware, etc, etc...
    Now weighs in at 26.4 pounds. Not too shabby, I'm happy with that.

    I still may upgrade the shock from the stock unit that I've ridden for a season. I'm sure there's plenty of life left in it but any recommendations??

    Sorry for the boring indoor shot but other than dragging it back out and stuffing it in a 4 foot snowbank...
    Nice build up too bad our SuperLights can't live up to their namesakes.
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47 View Post
    Nice build up too bad our SuperLights can't live up to their namesakes.
    I've finally succumbed to peer pressure and ordered up all of the gizmos to go tubeless. That'll drop another half pound or so down to 25 pounds and change.
    That's about all I can expect from an XL Al framed FS bike I suppose.
    After that I'd have to spend more money than I care to.

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    Right on. That's a pretty good weight for that bike actually.
    I have a med with med parts build. Never weighed mine have to throw it on a scale.
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    So I wonder if there is still a supply of new 29er Superlight frames with the 135 rear end in size large available? My wheelset that I would swap in is new enough that i would not want to replace it and is not convertible to 142 standard. Thanks for any leads!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kustomz View Post
    So I wonder if there is still a supply of new 29er Superlight frames with the 135 rear end in size large available? My wheelset that I would swap in is new enough that i would not want to replace it and is not convertible to 142 standard. Thanks for any leads!
    I got mine as a new leftover off feebay this past august. Great price and if you can get free shipping that works out well.
    Unfortunately I couldn't find an XL frame only so had to pick up the whole D build. Worked out alright though, ran the hell out of it till the recent build. Lots of spare parts now.

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    Cracked Swingarm

    Driving out of the corners it began to exhibit a squirrelly, flexi sort of feel. After getting home, this is what I found:

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    ^^Dang^^
    That just made me go look at mine.
    What are you doing for a fix?

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    Fix was simple. Emailed SC photos on a Friday morning. Willie called Friday afternoon and asked where to send the replacement. I had a Saturday afternoon ride planned and he shipped it FedEx - Saturday AM overnight. By noon on Saturday, I was test riding it.

    I can't say enough good things about SC warranty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleared2land View Post
    Fix was simple. Emailed SC photos on a Friday morning. Willie called Friday afternoon and asked where to send the replacement. I had a Saturday afternoon ride planned and he shipped it FedEx - Saturday AM overnight. By noon on Saturday, I was test riding it.

    I can't say enough good things about SC warranty.
    That's exactly the answer I was looking for.

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    Hi guys,
    I'm seriously considering getting a new Super Light. I live in northern Illinois and most of my riding is at IMBA single track parks. I do travel a bit to ride, northern Wisconsin for example. Basically what I'm looking to do is move from a XC hard tail to a full suspension trail bike. I don't NEED a monster travel enduro. If/when I do travel to some far off exotic location like Colorado or North Carolina I'll just rent a rig there. Do you guys think I'm on the right track? I look at some of the guys riding around here and they're on $6K rigs, and they're not on a team or competitive racers or anything, just guys with a ton of cash. Sure they're awesome bikes but Midwest single track doesn't really call for mega travel. Amiright?
    In my size I'd be getting the 27.5 which I'm not opposed to. Then I go down the same rabbit hole you all know and say "for a couple hundred more I can get the Bantam". Which again looks like a fine machine. Then a couple hundred more gets me on a Tallboy and at that point why not spring for the carbon frame. Next thing I know I just added $1500 to the price of my new bike. Again that's cool but seriously, the Superlight looks like it would be more than adequate especially at that price point.
    Sorry for rambling post but you guys are in the know and where I live getting a demo ride on the above mentioned bikes is out of the question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmar View Post
    Hi guys,
    I'm seriously considering getting a new Super Light. I live in northern Illinois and most of my riding is at IMBA single track parks. I do travel a bit to ride, northern Wisconsin for example. Basically what I'm looking to do is move from a XC hard tail to a full suspension trail bike. I don't NEED a monster travel enduro. If/when I do travel to some far off exotic location like Colorado or North Carolina I'll just rent a rig there. Do you guys think I'm on the right track? I look at some of the guys riding around here and they're on $6K rigs, and they're not on a team or competitive racers or anything, just guys with a ton of cash. Sure they're awesome bikes but Midwest single track doesn't really call for mega travel. Amiright?
    In my size I'd be getting the 27.5 which I'm not opposed to. Then I go down the same rabbit hole you all know and say "for a couple hundred more I can get the Bantam". Which again looks like a fine machine. Then a couple hundred more gets me on a Tallboy and at that point why not spring for the carbon frame. Next thing I know I just added $1500 to the price of my new bike. Again that's cool but seriously, the Superlight looks like it would be more than adequate especially at that price point.
    Sorry for rambling post but you guys are in the know and where I live getting a demo ride on the above mentioned bikes is out of the question.
    ive never ridden in northern illinois or Wisconsin so take this with a grain of salt. I think it comes down to how you want your riding to progress and your style of riding and the type of terrain/features available to you. Ill use myself as an example:
    I started riding on a hardtail in Colorado. After about a year and a half, I bought an old Superlight and rode the crap out of it. I was still relatively new to biking but I liked dropping off small ledges and jumps when I could find them. I knew I was never gonna be a racer so weight was generally not a concern. I wanted to go up, but I cared more about going down and having fun rather than trying to set super fast times.

    I moved to Texas and eventually to Austin a couple years later. Austin doenst have the elevation of Colorado, but it makes up for with rocks and ledges and steep climbs. I decided to get a Blur LTc becuase I could afford it and it was a step up in travel and it aligned with how I wanted my riding to progress. I COULD ride the same trails on my Superlight, but I couldnt ride them how I want to ride them. I wouldn be comfortable hucking 4-5 foot ledges and just plowing through rock gardens on the Superlight. These things I can do more of with the Blur. Id have to be more choosy with my lines. As Ive gotten more skilled with the bike, Ive upgraded it based on how I want to ride. Bigger fork (Pike), stronger wheels, stronger brakes (losing some of the more XC stuff it was originally built with), wider bars, dropper post, etc.....

    I say all this because you should try to understand how you want your riding style to progress. Do you want to start riding bigger drops/jumps? are they available to you with the terrain you have? if the answer to both of these questions is yes, then maybe consider a bit more travel with the Bantam. Do you want/plan to race? If so, maybe its worth it to spend some more on the Tallboy or if your wife is really nice, like mine, then the TallboyC.

    If youre just looking to ride XC singletrack and you generally arent concerned with getting any air or doing drops, and you dont care about doing races, then I think the Superlight sounds like the bike for you.

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    See!!! Kind of what I was thinking. Which is why the Bantam and Tallboy are options.
    I need to test ride these things before I make up my mind. Thank you for the answer and confirming my suspicions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmar View Post
    Hi guys,
    I'm seriously considering getting a new Super Light. I live in northern Illinois and most of my riding is at IMBA single track parks. I do travel a bit to ride, northern Wisconsin for example. Basically what I'm looking to do is move from a XC hard tail to a full suspension trail bike. I don't NEED a monster travel enduro. If/when I do travel to some far off exotic location like Colorado or North Carolina I'll just rent a rig there. Do you guys think I'm on the right track? I look at some of the guys riding around here and they're on $6K rigs, and they're not on a team or competitive racers or anything, just guys with a ton of cash. Sure they're awesome bikes but Midwest single track doesn't really call for mega travel. Amiright?
    In my size I'd be getting the 27.5 which I'm not opposed to. Then I go down the same rabbit hole you all know and say "for a couple hundred more I can get the Bantam". Which again looks like a fine machine. Then a couple hundred more gets me on a Tallboy and at that point why not spring for the carbon frame. Next thing I know I just added $1500 to the price of my new bike. Again that's cool but seriously, the Superlight looks like it would be more than adequate especially at that price point.
    Sorry for rambling post but you guys are in the know and where I live getting a demo ride on the above mentioned bikes is out of the question.
    The Superlight is a great all around bike. It will work fine for you and you can take it to NC or CO and it will do fine there also. It was my main ride for 10 years in Arizona and Colorado. I doubt if a Bantam would be better for your area, unless you really slam into a lot of logs or have jumps and stuff.

    You could even put an adjustable travel fork on it, like a Talas, and the adjustable travel and change in head angle make it an even better all around ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elmar View Post
    See!!! Kind of what I was thinking. Which is why the Bantam and Tallboy are options.
    I need to test ride these things before I make up my mind. Thank you for the answer and confirming my suspicions.
    sooner518 makes some good points as well.
    But I wouldn't pick a bike because I might move to the mountains someday, or I might fly off a 5 foot drop sometime in the future even if I never do that now, or have no place to do it. From your post it sounded like you have a pretty good idea of how much bike you need.

    FWIW, I ride a TBLTc now, and I'm going to admit I love it. But I still ride my Superlight sometimes and my Intense Spider 29er sometimes. They all are great and take different techniques on certain types of terrain, but I don't miss out on any fun riding any of them.

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    I'm gonna second the Superlight being a great all-around bike. I managed to put almost 10,000 miles on my 2012 SC SL. It's seen it all. It's seen trails that it clearly wasn't designed for. You just have to exercise a little extra caution on some trails..


    Quote Originally Posted by elmar View Post
    I look at some of the guys riding around here and they're on $6K rigs, and they're not on a team or competitive racers or anything, just guys with a ton of cash.
    Now, I'm gonna speak up on this one. I have one of those bikes that you're referring to and I DON"T have tons of cash. It just happens to be that bikes are my drug of choice and I sacrifice in other areas to fund my addiction.
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    @Cleared2land No offense intended. Re-reading my post I guess I sounded to internet-ey. I too have the addiction. I have a ton of income wrapped up in bikes. I was into mountain bikes a long time ago friends, then I took a hiatus when I was in the military. When I got out I found myself here and sold my mountain bike and got into road riding. From there I got into cyclocross and that has taken me to a whole new level of bike geek. ( Just got a $1000 wheels set for my cross bike for example.) Last year I got a Salsa El Mariachi and have totally fallen in love with trail riding, It reminds me of BMX when I was a kid. And the workout I get is amazing. So I guess I should have said a $6K bike would not only out class me but it wouldn't be used to it's fullest potential. I have a nice budget for a new bike but comparing bikes on the internet I keep coming back to the Super Light. Seems like more than enough for me and a dynamite price. I'm not too concerned about the spec build it comes with, I have no problem upgrading parts as they break or wear out.
    I found a dealer that has some in stock about an hour away from me, I'll go check them out in a week or so. Maybe I'll even wait 'till mid-April to see what's new with Santa Cruz.
    Thanks guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sage97 View Post
    My SL 29er.

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    Couple questions for you guys...
    I walked into a local shop the other day and they have this New Old Stock 2013 SL 29er in my size priced at $1699

    Looking on SC web site I see they don't make the 29er in med anymore.
    how much changed from 2013 to 2015 other than the wheel sizes?
    At this time I was thinking about getting a 29er HT for solo rides but I'm not sure if I can pass this up for the price...
    I'm also riding a 29er Fandango Tandem so I was thinking of just getting a 29er HT Superfly or XTC Carbon.
    The only bike I have tested so far was this SL it felt good but like I said I've been on the Tandem and it's like driving a 18 wheeler...

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    Quote Originally Posted by XC Mike View Post
    Couple questions for you guys...
    I walked into a local shop the other day and they have this New Old Stock 2013 SL 29er in my size priced at $1699

    Looking on SC web site I see they don't make the 29er in med anymore.
    how much changed from 2013 to 2015 other than the wheel sizes?
    At this time I was thinking about getting a 29er HT for solo rides but I'm not sure if I can pass this up for the price...
    I'm also riding a 29er Fandango Tandem so I was thinking of just getting a 29er HT Superfly or XTC Carbon.
    The only bike I have tested so far was this SL it felt good but like I said I've been on the Tandem and it's like driving a 18 wheeler...
    I'm almost positive there have been no frame changes but I believe the 2013 shipped with a 100mm fork, mine did. Now there's a 120mm Recon on the front along with a few other component changes. Nothing major.
    At this point there's not one original part, not even a screw, that came on my 2013 I bought half way through last season so I'm going by memory. Not that anything failed, it's a great bike, I just swapped everything over to another frame and bought all new for the SL for this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barman1 View Post
    I'm almost positive there have been no frame changes but I believe the 2013 shipped with a 100mm fork, mine did. Now there's a 120mm Recon on the front along with a few other component changes. Nothing major.
    At this point there's not one original part, not even a screw, that came on my 2013 I bought half way through last season so I'm going by memory. Not that anything failed, it's a great bike, I just swapped everything over to another frame and bought all new for the SL for this season.
    I'm pretty sure the 2013 DXC came with a RockShox 100mm, I have the 2013 RXC and it came with a Fox 120mm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegweed View Post
    I'm pretty sure the 2013 DXC came with a RockShox 100mm, I have the 2013 RXC and it came with a Fox 120mm.
    Mine was the D with the 100mm. Now I don't know what I'd call it.
    The 120 might have been a mid season change if I remember my research correctly. But we all know the best way to get a correct answer, post up the wrong one and wait...

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    Here is a quick pic I took on Sunday it has a Fox...Superlight Love-uploadfromtaptalk1427928377153.jpg

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    Looks like it has the fork upgrade which is a plus.^^

    I just took all the measurements on mine after the build and the angles surprised me a little.
    HTA is 69.9 and STA is right on 69 degrees. A little slacker than advertised.
    I'm still waiting for a direct drive NW ring to complete the build so I'm waiting before I get some pictures and specs for a completed post. Right now it's almost living up to its namesake at 25.2 lbs. 2013 XL frame.

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    Looking to buy a superlight within the next month as my first mountain bike. Was wondering if you could swap the forks from the Rockshox to Fox. I read online that certain bikes you weren't able to swap out brakes, forks, or any other components. This sounds ridiculous to me but like I said I'm new to mountain biking. Also, what are people's thoughts about the Rockshox Recon Gold 120?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iwasthewalrus View Post
    Looking to buy a superlight within the next month as my first mountain bike. Was wondering if you could swap the forks from the Rockshox to Fox. I read online that certain bikes you weren't able to swap out brakes, forks, or any other components. This sounds ridiculous to me but like I said I'm new to mountain biking. Also, what are people's thoughts about the Rockshox Recon Gold 120?
    There are no issues with cross compatibility on the Superlight. Install whatever suspension and components you want (there are some sizing considerations obviously but you can refer to the spec sheet for specifics or ask around here) .
    For a quicker answer on the Recon fork head over here: Shocks and Suspension - Mtbr.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iwasthewalrus View Post
    Looking to buy a superlight within the next month as my first mountain bike. Was wondering if you could swap the forks from the Rockshox to Fox. I read online that certain bikes you weren't able to swap out brakes, forks, or any other components. This sounds ridiculous to me but like I said I'm new to mountain biking. Also, what are people's thoughts about the Rockshox Recon Gold 120?
    If you mean compatibility, there is no issue. If you mean, can you spec out a different build than the standard offered by Santa Cruz, that's a different issue. On the Website they only offer the Recon Gold for the Superlight. I don't know if they would upgrade the fork for you if you tried to special order. If SC won't do it, that's where a good bike shop is worth its weight in gold. Some of the shops around Denver will build a bike up any way you want, give reasonable credit for the take offs, and pretty much give you a custom spec for a reasonable price.

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    I'll give this thread a bump with my Superlight 29 build.
    First time out today.
    I won't list all of the bits but it's an XL and almost lives up to its moniker at 25.4 lbs.





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    Always love how this bike rides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjhiker View Post
    Always love how this bike rides.

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