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    Spotted in Whistler... a new 650B Nomad

    I saw the SC guys testing it in the bike park this week. I asked one of them about it and they said it was a Bronson, but let's just say he had a bad poker face! Besides, I own a Bronson so I know what one looks like.....

    Essentially it looked like a slightly thicker Bronson and appeared to have 650B wheels which would fit with him trying to tell me it was a Bronson. The rear triangle was the same design as a current Nomad and they both had linkages un-polished and straight out of a machine shop. The frames on the other hand looked far more finished. Painted white with full Santa Cruz decals on the side. There was internal routing for a rear derailleur not just the seat post as on the Bronson. I'd imagine also for the rear brake but I can't quite remember.

    Overall it looked just like what you would expect if you melded a Bronson with a current Nomad.

    I guess there's no way of telling if it will go into production, and I'm sure nobody is surprised they are testing it..... My only thought was that if they didn't want people to talk to them about it or see it, then why paint it bright white with Santa Cruz on it. Why not spray it like a Bronson. Also you would imagine that geometry testing for such a machine would be done with an aluminum frame but this was Carbon. If I were a betting man I'd have to say spring '14 release for this. Also the decals were new, not taken from existing bikes. Instead of a solid colored text the it was multicolored with what seemed to be a kind of galaxy/space design.

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    Sounds like the bike I saw back in September, definitely looked like a tweener nomad.... they said the same thing to me "its a bronson"

    Makes you wonder about travel and angles though, seems like the bronson has the enduro thing pretty dialed, maybe 170mm of travel and super slack???

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    I was wondering the same thing when I looked at it. Especially since I'm riding a Bronson right now I really thought what more could I want? If it was longer travel it would only make sense for it to be way slacker. But they certainly weren't testing longer travel up front as they had 34s on it not even 36s.

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    I bet we see a Nomad and a V-10 27.5 very soon....

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    Quote Originally Posted by whistlerdan View Post
    I was wondering the same thing when I looked at it. Especially since I'm riding a Bronson right now I really thought what more could I want? If it was longer travel it would only make sense for it to be way slacker. But they certainly weren't testing longer travel up front as they had 34s on it not even 36s.
    36s are only 26" i think
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    Really eh? Funny that they make 40s in a 27.5 now and not 36s. I'm sure they must be coming down the pipeline soon enough.

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    Great news! Did it have Float X?

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    Yes Float X

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    internal routing for the rear derailleur? All the way from the front or just the rear triangle?

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    Due to Fox 34 maxing out at 160mm, I would guess that the frame also has 160mm of travel (or perhaps 165mm). I would also guess that it has 66 HA because Bronson has 67 and no way they have the guts to go down to 65. They are probably working to optimize the linkage for Float X and nailing the right tune for it. I dont think there are any surprises left, just waiting game until the release... Got to start saving!

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    It make me wonder where the niche is for a 27.5 Nomad. Is it going to be that much of difference in geometry and travel over a Bronson? It would seem like too much overlap would be present. Alternatively, the Nomad could be pushed into the bigger travel arena as a pocket DH/Park/freeride rig. That however, is a very small market. Perhaps a modular dropout that would allow you to adjust the geometry and position for 26/27.5 wheels ala Banshee's system would be nice. Who knows?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HELLBELLY View Post
    It make me wonder where the niche is for a 27.5 Nomad. Is it going to be that much of difference in geometry and travel over a Bronson? It would seem like too much overlap would be present. Alternatively, the Nomad could be pushed into the bigger travel arena as a pocket DH/Park/freeride rig. That however, is a very small market. Perhaps a modular dropout that would allow you to adjust the geometry and position for 26/27.5 wheels ala Banshee's system would be nice. Who knows?
    If it wasn't for the fact the Nomad is such a strong model name for SC I'd think they'd just get rid of it. More than one company has said the market for pedalable bikes in the 170mm+ range just isn't there outside a few select locations. And the Bronson has the Nomad's niche in the 650B line up covered.

    Knolly has the same issue. They have a well known 26er model at 160mm and a new 150mm 650B model nipping at its heels.

    I can't see companies keeping so many similar models for too long, but they might carry them for another year or two just so customers who really want a 26er have an option. The R&D costs for the 26ers are all ready spent so it's just a question of keeping them in stock and continuing to market them.
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    I agree with people here about it being potentially close to Bronson. I wonder if they could do it over would they do the Bronson at 140mm, so you'd have 125 SOLO, 140 Bronson, and 160 Nomad? Though I'm already struggling with the Bronson vs. SOLO decision and leaning SOLO, so this would make it really tough. For a 2 bike stable, a SOLO and a Nomad would be sweet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by So Cal RX View Post
    I wonder if they could do it over would they do the Bronson at 140mm, so you'd have 125 SOLO, 140 Bronson, and 160 Nomad?
    They still could make that change. The Bronson is new so people's expectations of it are not fixed yet.

    I was a bit surprised they just didn't call the Bronson the Nomad 27.5. Then they could have kept or ditched the 26er version depending on sales numbers.
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    Spotted in Whistler... a new 650B Nomad

    Quote Originally Posted by mehukatti View Post
    Due to Fox 34 maxing out at 160mm, I would guess that the frame also has 160mm of travel (or perhaps 165mm). I would also guess that it has 66 HA because Bronson has 67 and no way they have the guts to go down to 65. They are probably working to optimize the linkage for Float X and nailing the right tune for it. I dont think there are any surprises left, just waiting game until the release... Got to start saving!
    Fox does make a 34 170mm fork for Scott's genius lt 650b. Maybe they have a couple of those for the prototype.
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    Who knows they might kill the Bronson off for this new mystery bike.

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    I think Bronson as more of a long travel trail bike. Small air shock, steepish 67 HA, sleek frame, etc. It is NOT a proper do-it-all bike, because with such specs it is not optimal to bike parks. In my opinion, the upcoming 27.5 Nomad will be THAT bike. Confidence inspiring slacker 66 HA, bigger air shock, plusher suspension, burlier frame, 160mm front and rear out of the box (or perhaps slightly more), etc. Bronson will probably have an edge on pedaling stuff, but the 27.5 Nomad won't be far behind. But on bike parks and rough fast stuff the 27.5 Nomad will be in a class of its own. I think some people will regret that they bought Bronson and didn't wait for a bit longer...

    And not having a single bike in the 150 < x < 200 range. Really? That would be a HUGE gap in their lineup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mehukatti View Post
    I think Bronson as more of a long travel trail bike. Small air shock, steepish 67 HA, sleek frame, etc. It is NOT a proper do-it-all bike, because with such specs it is not optimal to bike parks. In my opinion, the upcoming 27.5 Nomad will be THAT bike. Confidence inspiring slacker 66 HA, bigger air shock, plusher suspension, burlier frame, 160mm front and rear out of the box (or perhaps slightly more), etc. Bronson will probably have an edge on pedaling stuff, but the 27.5 Nomad won't be far behind. But on bike parks and rough fast stuff the 27.5 Nomad will be in a class of its own. I think some people will regret that they bought Bronson and didn't wait for a bit longer...

    And not having a single bike in the 150 < x < 200 range. Really? That would be a HUGE gap in their lineup.
    If you want a proper do-it-all bike that is optimal for bike parks, it won't pedal decent enough for all day rides. I have a Bronson and it will handle more than maybe you think. It's not gonna be a park bike but it handles chunk and steeps really well.

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    Spotted in Whistler... a new 650B Nomad

    I've been hearing rumors of a new nomad in 27.5 but with 180mm rear travel to fill the gap between the V10 and the Bronson but I would prefer a little less travel to make it a do it all bike as the current nomad

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    Re: Spotted in Whistler... a new 650B Nomad

    165-170mm sounds sweet. Something to compete with Firebird, Chilcotin...

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    It didnt happen without photos...come on folks, why all the bashfullness....snap a pic from your smart phones as we are dying to see these.

    My Bronson will be up for sale ASAP once these are availible.

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    Here's a shitty one for you. Found on nsmb.com and as reported already, 10+mm travel over Bronson, one with Fox 34, other with Pike, Float X, room for water bottle in triangle.
    Spotted in Whistler... a new 650B Nomad-nomad.jpg

    mehukatti makes a good point, they need a bike with a 8.5 x 2.5 shock size.

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    I think an updated nomad with 27.5 would come in handy for the WC guys at tracks like pietermaritzburg and maybe even a few others.

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    Fox has to bring out a 36 650b 180mm fork, then the new nomad would make a lot of sense with 180 both ends. If they can only put a 34 on what's the diff to the bronson? An extra 10mm in the rear???

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    How about an Xfusion Metric on it.

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    Has anyone found better pics of the bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mehukatti View Post
    I think Bronson as more of a long travel trail bike. Small air shock, steepish 67 HA, sleek frame, etc. It is NOT a proper do-it-all bike, because with such specs it is not optimal to bike parks. In my opinion, the upcoming 27.5 Nomad will be THAT bike. Confidence inspiring slacker 66 HA, bigger air shock, plusher suspension, burlier frame, 160mm front and rear out of the box (or perhaps slightly more), etc. Bronson will probably have an edge on pedaling stuff, but the 27.5 Nomad won't be far behind. But on bike parks and rough fast stuff the 27.5 Nomad will be in a class of its own. I think some people will regret that they bought Bronson and didn't wait for a bit longer...

    And not having a single bike in the 150 < x < 200 range. Really? That would be a HUGE gap in their lineup.
    Agree.

    That is why for my second bike I'm looking at a Mach 6 - that will be built up closer to the AM spectrum of trail riding. A bit slacker, burlier, and lower than the Bronson. I have an TBLTc that covers lesser trail/xc duties - that is not too far off from a Bronson. As the 275 gains popularity a 150mm travel bike leaves a lot of room above for more bike.

    Fork - I have a 140mm Pike on a 29er and it is a great stiff fork. I'd guess a 160-165mm Pike on a 275 would have close to the same A2C. Being plenty stiff on the 29er, I'd imaging it would do well at 165mm on a 275 wheel.

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    Comparing the current Bronson and Nomads in carbon with XO1 kits they both have a 67 deg HTA and weight within 0.5lbs of one another. If you put a 160mm fork on the Bronson it would be slacker than the Nomad at the same fork length.

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    now i am excited.. this is the bike i have been waiting for. i hope it has 170mm + travel..

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Comparing the current Bronson and Nomads in carbon with XO1 kits they both have a 66 deg HTA and weight within 0.5lbs of one another. If you put a 160mm fork on the Bronson it would be slacker than the Nomad at the same fork length.
    Actually they have 67 deg HTA both. But that just mainly tells that the geo on Nomad mk2 has been outdated for a while now. Most people that I know run an angleset on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mehukatti View Post
    Actually they have 67 deg HTA both. But that just mainly tells that the geo on Nomad mk2 has been outdated for a while now. Most people that I know run an angleset on it.
    Good catch - edited my post. I run my Nomad at the stock HTA. Doesn't feel outdated to me. Feels like a great do it all bike - which it is. The other two Nomad riders I know also run the stock HTA.
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    FYI I run the xfusion vengeance on my bronson carbon which is a 36mm / 170mm fork head angle is at 66 with a ccdb air it is a beast

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    is this all the info we have? I know sc likes to keep things quiet, but a little e speculation should be going on here considering there might be a new, killer bike coming along, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJobe View Post
    FYI I run the xfusion vengeance on my bronson carbon which is a 36mm / 170mm fork head angle is at 66 with a ccdb air it is a beast
    Got a buddy with the same fork . . . he's really happy with it, and to describe it as "beastly" would be very appropriate.
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    Its hard to add much to the point made here, but definetily a vote for degree slacker HA. Also I would like to have wider sag window on the rear end. This can open more chassis setting opportunity. You could set-up lower or higher still retaining good pedalling characteristics.

    And off course other known geo changes would make Nomad better... Longer reach and slightly shorter cs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stiga View Post
    Its hard to add much to the point made here, but definetily a vote for degree slacker HA. Also I would like to have wider sag window on the rear end. This can open more chassis setting opportunity. You could set-up lower or higher still retaining good pedalling characteristics.

    And off course other known geo changes would make Nomad better... Longer reach and slightly shorter cs.
    I doubt the CS will be shorter on a 650b version...

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    bump... just cause i cant stop thinking about it...

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    Agreed on that.

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    If it's released next spring, do you think they deliver faster if you buy whole bike from them instead of just the frame? Would be nice to be riding it as soon as possible and not wait until autumn to get the frame only option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markymark View Post
    internal routing for the rear derailleur? All the way from the front or just the rear triangle?

    Better start saving...
    Internal routing is the dumbest thing ever. You must not work on your own bike, and/or like paying lots of money to have it worked on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotth72 View Post
    Internal routing is the dumbest thing ever. You must not work on your own bike, and/or like paying lots of money to have it worked on.
    Warning: long winded - having my coffee, taking care of business pre-ride this morning.

    Agreed -sorta. My bike in this "category" is a 2011 Reign-X - the only thing I dislike is the rear derailleur cable running through the chain-stay. It has a couple funky bends - I've put on some thick, clear acrylic tubing to protect the housing in those entry/exit spots, and it keep the tubing from getting kinked. Works well enough, but was a pain in the ass.

    The idea isn't so bad for shifting, but IMO, a not so hot for brakes. Will admit I like the looks of it for the Reverb on my TRc though!

    Anyhow - the Reign-X with a -1* Works Components headset, Totem Solo Air, Vivid Air, Reverb, and two wheel/tire setups is this bike for me. 65* HTA that way, 31# with the trail wheels, about 35# with the heavy stuff. Single ring 1x10 setup has gearing that is low enough for me to get up the local stuff, but not be spinning out at the lifts.

    It's a bit overkill on most of my local trails, but in the right spots is a sweet bike. The heavy setup has been quite durable at the lifts, provided one doesn't ride like a hack. Helps that Im only about 175# all RTR.

    Something like that setup, or a Mojo HD would be sweet as well! The whole point to my rambling here - when the Reign-X dies or gets too old, I'd love to replace it with something from SC, based on how much I like riding my TRc. Hope they get something in the lineup!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotth72 View Post
    Internal routing is the dumbest thing ever.


    It looks great, but if you gave me a choice of the same bike with and without internal cable routing I'd take the external cable bike every time. I'd even pay a bit more for the privilege.

    If I do end up buying a bike with internal cable routing I'll get some stick on external cable guides and send pics to the manufacturer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotth72 View Post
    Internal routing is the dumbest thing ever. You must not work on your own bike, and/or like paying lots of money to have it worked on.
    ha ha, you must be an awesome mechanic if you struggle with internal cables. So difficult!

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    Subd... Interesting!

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    Just when I was considering stepping into 27.5 with a Rocky Mountain Altitude to replace my Butcher I come across this thread...maybe ill wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwyooaj View Post
    Just when I was considering stepping into 27.5 with a Rocky Mountain Altitude to replace my Butcher I come across this thread...maybe ill wait.
    if they were smart they would let the cat out of the bag with so many options coming out, a lot of people like myself for getting ready to pre order a new frame!

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    Likewise here...hopefully the tt of the new nomad is slightly longer hehehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by lazymuf View Post
    Likewise here...hopefully the tt of the new nomad is slightly longer hehehe
    Exactly. Hopefully Santa Cruz catches on, longer TT, shorter stays & stems is where its at. A cramped cockpit is what made me sell my old Nomad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by socalMX View Post
    Exactly. Hopefully Santa Cruz catches on, longer TT, shorter stays & stems is where its at. A cramped cockpit is what made me sell my old Nomad.
    same here....same here

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