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    Spotted in Whistler... a new 650B Nomad

    I saw the SC guys testing it in the bike park this week. I asked one of them about it and they said it was a Bronson, but let's just say he had a bad poker face! Besides, I own a Bronson so I know what one looks like.....

    Essentially it looked like a slightly thicker Bronson and appeared to have 650B wheels which would fit with him trying to tell me it was a Bronson. The rear triangle was the same design as a current Nomad and they both had linkages un-polished and straight out of a machine shop. The frames on the other hand looked far more finished. Painted white with full Santa Cruz decals on the side. There was internal routing for a rear derailleur not just the seat post as on the Bronson. I'd imagine also for the rear brake but I can't quite remember.

    Overall it looked just like what you would expect if you melded a Bronson with a current Nomad.

    I guess there's no way of telling if it will go into production, and I'm sure nobody is surprised they are testing it..... My only thought was that if they didn't want people to talk to them about it or see it, then why paint it bright white with Santa Cruz on it. Why not spray it like a Bronson. Also you would imagine that geometry testing for such a machine would be done with an aluminum frame but this was Carbon. If I were a betting man I'd have to say spring '14 release for this. Also the decals were new, not taken from existing bikes. Instead of a solid colored text the it was multicolored with what seemed to be a kind of galaxy/space design.

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    Sounds like the bike I saw back in September, definitely looked like a tweener nomad.... they said the same thing to me "its a bronson"

    Makes you wonder about travel and angles though, seems like the bronson has the enduro thing pretty dialed, maybe 170mm of travel and super slack???

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    I was wondering the same thing when I looked at it. Especially since I'm riding a Bronson right now I really thought what more could I want? If it was longer travel it would only make sense for it to be way slacker. But they certainly weren't testing longer travel up front as they had 34s on it not even 36s.

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    I bet we see a Nomad and a V-10 27.5 very soon....

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    Quote Originally Posted by whistlerdan View Post
    I was wondering the same thing when I looked at it. Especially since I'm riding a Bronson right now I really thought what more could I want? If it was longer travel it would only make sense for it to be way slacker. But they certainly weren't testing longer travel up front as they had 34s on it not even 36s.
    36s are only 26" i think
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    Really eh? Funny that they make 40s in a 27.5 now and not 36s. I'm sure they must be coming down the pipeline soon enough.

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    Great news! Did it have Float X?

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    Yes Float X

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    internal routing for the rear derailleur? All the way from the front or just the rear triangle?

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    Due to Fox 34 maxing out at 160mm, I would guess that the frame also has 160mm of travel (or perhaps 165mm). I would also guess that it has 66 HA because Bronson has 67 and no way they have the guts to go down to 65. They are probably working to optimize the linkage for Float X and nailing the right tune for it. I dont think there are any surprises left, just waiting game until the release... Got to start saving!

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    It make me wonder where the niche is for a 27.5 Nomad. Is it going to be that much of difference in geometry and travel over a Bronson? It would seem like too much overlap would be present. Alternatively, the Nomad could be pushed into the bigger travel arena as a pocket DH/Park/freeride rig. That however, is a very small market. Perhaps a modular dropout that would allow you to adjust the geometry and position for 26/27.5 wheels ala Banshee's system would be nice. Who knows?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HELLBELLY View Post
    It make me wonder where the niche is for a 27.5 Nomad. Is it going to be that much of difference in geometry and travel over a Bronson? It would seem like too much overlap would be present. Alternatively, the Nomad could be pushed into the bigger travel arena as a pocket DH/Park/freeride rig. That however, is a very small market. Perhaps a modular dropout that would allow you to adjust the geometry and position for 26/27.5 wheels ala Banshee's system would be nice. Who knows?
    If it wasn't for the fact the Nomad is such a strong model name for SC I'd think they'd just get rid of it. More than one company has said the market for pedalable bikes in the 170mm+ range just isn't there outside a few select locations. And the Bronson has the Nomad's niche in the 650B line up covered.

    Knolly has the same issue. They have a well known 26er model at 160mm and a new 150mm 650B model nipping at its heels.

    I can't see companies keeping so many similar models for too long, but they might carry them for another year or two just so customers who really want a 26er have an option. The R&D costs for the 26ers are all ready spent so it's just a question of keeping them in stock and continuing to market them.
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    I agree with people here about it being potentially close to Bronson. I wonder if they could do it over would they do the Bronson at 140mm, so you'd have 125 SOLO, 140 Bronson, and 160 Nomad? Though I'm already struggling with the Bronson vs. SOLO decision and leaning SOLO, so this would make it really tough. For a 2 bike stable, a SOLO and a Nomad would be sweet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by So Cal RX View Post
    I wonder if they could do it over would they do the Bronson at 140mm, so you'd have 125 SOLO, 140 Bronson, and 160 Nomad?
    They still could make that change. The Bronson is new so people's expectations of it are not fixed yet.

    I was a bit surprised they just didn't call the Bronson the Nomad 27.5. Then they could have kept or ditched the 26er version depending on sales numbers.
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    Spotted in Whistler... a new 650B Nomad

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    Due to Fox 34 maxing out at 160mm, I would guess that the frame also has 160mm of travel (or perhaps 165mm). I would also guess that it has 66 HA because Bronson has 67 and no way they have the guts to go down to 65. They are probably working to optimize the linkage for Float X and nailing the right tune for it. I dont think there are any surprises left, just waiting game until the release... Got to start saving!
    Fox does make a 34 170mm fork for Scott's genius lt 650b. Maybe they have a couple of those for the prototype.
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    Who knows they might kill the Bronson off for this new mystery bike.

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    I think Bronson as more of a long travel trail bike. Small air shock, steepish 67 HA, sleek frame, etc. It is NOT a proper do-it-all bike, because with such specs it is not optimal to bike parks. In my opinion, the upcoming 27.5 Nomad will be THAT bike. Confidence inspiring slacker 66 HA, bigger air shock, plusher suspension, burlier frame, 160mm front and rear out of the box (or perhaps slightly more), etc. Bronson will probably have an edge on pedaling stuff, but the 27.5 Nomad won't be far behind. But on bike parks and rough fast stuff the 27.5 Nomad will be in a class of its own. I think some people will regret that they bought Bronson and didn't wait for a bit longer...

    And not having a single bike in the 150 < x < 200 range. Really? That would be a HUGE gap in their lineup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mehukatti View Post
    I think Bronson as more of a long travel trail bike. Small air shock, steepish 67 HA, sleek frame, etc. It is NOT a proper do-it-all bike, because with such specs it is not optimal to bike parks. In my opinion, the upcoming 27.5 Nomad will be THAT bike. Confidence inspiring slacker 66 HA, bigger air shock, plusher suspension, burlier frame, 160mm front and rear out of the box (or perhaps slightly more), etc. Bronson will probably have an edge on pedaling stuff, but the 27.5 Nomad won't be far behind. But on bike parks and rough fast stuff the 27.5 Nomad will be in a class of its own. I think some people will regret that they bought Bronson and didn't wait for a bit longer...

    And not having a single bike in the 150 < x < 200 range. Really? That would be a HUGE gap in their lineup.
    If you want a proper do-it-all bike that is optimal for bike parks, it won't pedal decent enough for all day rides. I have a Bronson and it will handle more than maybe you think. It's not gonna be a park bike but it handles chunk and steeps really well.

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    Spotted in Whistler... a new 650B Nomad

    I've been hearing rumors of a new nomad in 27.5 but with 180mm rear travel to fill the gap between the V10 and the Bronson but I would prefer a little less travel to make it a do it all bike as the current nomad

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    Re: Spotted in Whistler... a new 650B Nomad

    165-170mm sounds sweet. Something to compete with Firebird, Chilcotin...

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    It didnt happen without photos...come on folks, why all the bashfullness....snap a pic from your smart phones as we are dying to see these.

    My Bronson will be up for sale ASAP once these are availible.

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    Here's a shitty one for you. Found on nsmb.com and as reported already, 10+mm travel over Bronson, one with Fox 34, other with Pike, Float X, room for water bottle in triangle.
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    mehukatti makes a good point, they need a bike with a 8.5 x 2.5 shock size.

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    I think an updated nomad with 27.5 would come in handy for the WC guys at tracks like pietermaritzburg and maybe even a few others.

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    Fox has to bring out a 36 650b 180mm fork, then the new nomad would make a lot of sense with 180 both ends. If they can only put a 34 on what's the diff to the bronson? An extra 10mm in the rear???

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    How about an Xfusion Metric on it.

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    Has anyone found better pics of the bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mehukatti View Post
    I think Bronson as more of a long travel trail bike. Small air shock, steepish 67 HA, sleek frame, etc. It is NOT a proper do-it-all bike, because with such specs it is not optimal to bike parks. In my opinion, the upcoming 27.5 Nomad will be THAT bike. Confidence inspiring slacker 66 HA, bigger air shock, plusher suspension, burlier frame, 160mm front and rear out of the box (or perhaps slightly more), etc. Bronson will probably have an edge on pedaling stuff, but the 27.5 Nomad won't be far behind. But on bike parks and rough fast stuff the 27.5 Nomad will be in a class of its own. I think some people will regret that they bought Bronson and didn't wait for a bit longer...

    And not having a single bike in the 150 < x < 200 range. Really? That would be a HUGE gap in their lineup.
    Agree.

    That is why for my second bike I'm looking at a Mach 6 - that will be built up closer to the AM spectrum of trail riding. A bit slacker, burlier, and lower than the Bronson. I have an TBLTc that covers lesser trail/xc duties - that is not too far off from a Bronson. As the 275 gains popularity a 150mm travel bike leaves a lot of room above for more bike.

    Fork - I have a 140mm Pike on a 29er and it is a great stiff fork. I'd guess a 160-165mm Pike on a 275 would have close to the same A2C. Being plenty stiff on the 29er, I'd imaging it would do well at 165mm on a 275 wheel.

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    Comparing the current Bronson and Nomads in carbon with XO1 kits they both have a 67 deg HTA and weight within 0.5lbs of one another. If you put a 160mm fork on the Bronson it would be slacker than the Nomad at the same fork length.

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    now i am excited.. this is the bike i have been waiting for. i hope it has 170mm + travel..

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Comparing the current Bronson and Nomads in carbon with XO1 kits they both have a 66 deg HTA and weight within 0.5lbs of one another. If you put a 160mm fork on the Bronson it would be slacker than the Nomad at the same fork length.
    Actually they have 67 deg HTA both. But that just mainly tells that the geo on Nomad mk2 has been outdated for a while now. Most people that I know run an angleset on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mehukatti View Post
    Actually they have 67 deg HTA both. But that just mainly tells that the geo on Nomad mk2 has been outdated for a while now. Most people that I know run an angleset on it.
    Good catch - edited my post. I run my Nomad at the stock HTA. Doesn't feel outdated to me. Feels like a great do it all bike - which it is. The other two Nomad riders I know also run the stock HTA.
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    FYI I run the xfusion vengeance on my bronson carbon which is a 36mm / 170mm fork head angle is at 66 with a ccdb air it is a beast

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    is this all the info we have? I know sc likes to keep things quiet, but a little e speculation should be going on here considering there might be a new, killer bike coming along, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJobe View Post
    FYI I run the xfusion vengeance on my bronson carbon which is a 36mm / 170mm fork head angle is at 66 with a ccdb air it is a beast
    Got a buddy with the same fork . . . he's really happy with it, and to describe it as "beastly" would be very appropriate.
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    Its hard to add much to the point made here, but definetily a vote for degree slacker HA. Also I would like to have wider sag window on the rear end. This can open more chassis setting opportunity. You could set-up lower or higher still retaining good pedalling characteristics.

    And off course other known geo changes would make Nomad better... Longer reach and slightly shorter cs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stiga View Post
    Its hard to add much to the point made here, but definetily a vote for degree slacker HA. Also I would like to have wider sag window on the rear end. This can open more chassis setting opportunity. You could set-up lower or higher still retaining good pedalling characteristics.

    And off course other known geo changes would make Nomad better... Longer reach and slightly shorter cs.
    I doubt the CS will be shorter on a 650b version...

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    bump... just cause i cant stop thinking about it...

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    Agreed on that.

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    If it's released next spring, do you think they deliver faster if you buy whole bike from them instead of just the frame? Would be nice to be riding it as soon as possible and not wait until autumn to get the frame only option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markymark View Post
    internal routing for the rear derailleur? All the way from the front or just the rear triangle?

    Better start saving...
    Internal routing is the dumbest thing ever. You must not work on your own bike, and/or like paying lots of money to have it worked on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotth72 View Post
    Internal routing is the dumbest thing ever. You must not work on your own bike, and/or like paying lots of money to have it worked on.
    Warning: long winded - having my coffee, taking care of business pre-ride this morning.

    Agreed -sorta. My bike in this "category" is a 2011 Reign-X - the only thing I dislike is the rear derailleur cable running through the chain-stay. It has a couple funky bends - I've put on some thick, clear acrylic tubing to protect the housing in those entry/exit spots, and it keep the tubing from getting kinked. Works well enough, but was a pain in the ass.

    The idea isn't so bad for shifting, but IMO, a not so hot for brakes. Will admit I like the looks of it for the Reverb on my TRc though!

    Anyhow - the Reign-X with a -1* Works Components headset, Totem Solo Air, Vivid Air, Reverb, and two wheel/tire setups is this bike for me. 65* HTA that way, 31# with the trail wheels, about 35# with the heavy stuff. Single ring 1x10 setup has gearing that is low enough for me to get up the local stuff, but not be spinning out at the lifts.

    It's a bit overkill on most of my local trails, but in the right spots is a sweet bike. The heavy setup has been quite durable at the lifts, provided one doesn't ride like a hack. Helps that Im only about 175# all RTR.

    Something like that setup, or a Mojo HD would be sweet as well! The whole point to my rambling here - when the Reign-X dies or gets too old, I'd love to replace it with something from SC, based on how much I like riding my TRc. Hope they get something in the lineup!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotth72 View Post
    Internal routing is the dumbest thing ever.


    It looks great, but if you gave me a choice of the same bike with and without internal cable routing I'd take the external cable bike every time. I'd even pay a bit more for the privilege.

    If I do end up buying a bike with internal cable routing I'll get some stick on external cable guides and send pics to the manufacturer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotth72 View Post
    Internal routing is the dumbest thing ever. You must not work on your own bike, and/or like paying lots of money to have it worked on.
    ha ha, you must be an awesome mechanic if you struggle with internal cables. So difficult!

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    Subd... Interesting!

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    Just when I was considering stepping into 27.5 with a Rocky Mountain Altitude to replace my Butcher I come across this thread...maybe ill wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwyooaj View Post
    Just when I was considering stepping into 27.5 with a Rocky Mountain Altitude to replace my Butcher I come across this thread...maybe ill wait.
    if they were smart they would let the cat out of the bag with so many options coming out, a lot of people like myself for getting ready to pre order a new frame!

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    Likewise here...hopefully the tt of the new nomad is slightly longer hehehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by lazymuf View Post
    Likewise here...hopefully the tt of the new nomad is slightly longer hehehe
    Exactly. Hopefully Santa Cruz catches on, longer TT, shorter stays & stems is where its at. A cramped cockpit is what made me sell my old Nomad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by socalMX View Post
    Exactly. Hopefully Santa Cruz catches on, longer TT, shorter stays & stems is where its at. A cramped cockpit is what made me sell my old Nomad.
    same here....same here

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    Looks like there'll be a lot of speculation for a release on this before next April......

    If I had some spare coin, and warranted one for rider ability , I'd get a current Nomadc at discount, put a 650 up front to help the HTA abit and call it good. But at times I tend to be a little behind the learning curve......
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    With so many new bikes and updates already this year I would be shocked to see a new bike announcement before Apr 2014.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post


    It looks great, but if you gave me a choice of the same bike with and without internal cable routing I'd take the external cable bike every time. I'd even pay a bit more for the privilege.

    If I do end up buying a bike with internal cable routing I'll get some stick on external cable guides and send pics to the manufacturer.
    Where did you find those exact guides, or what is the brand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J View Post
    Where did you find those exact guides, or what is the brand?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
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    Whatever they don't make they will help you find in about 4.234 seconds.
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    Seriously...with all the new bikes they released recently, maybe Joe et al. needed a vacation.

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    If its gonna be 160-180 mm travel, the xfusion metric would be its perfect mate
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    Agree, especially for bike park use. And it has 20mm axle unlike most of the other 27.5 forks. But I'm still hoping to see 27.5 Fox 36 and 27.5 Lyrik (with Charger Damper), both with 20mm axles. But they won't probably be released on time so Santa Cruz will spec the bikes with 160mm or 170mm Fox 34, as seen on the spy photos from Whistler...

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    INteresting thread. Subscribed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markymark View Post
    ha ha, you must be an awesome mechanic if you struggle with internal cables. So difficult!
    Really? When you have to take either the crank and/or the fork off the bike to change a rear derailleur cable? Or when you have to shove pipe insulation down the down tube through the head tube to quiet the internal cables from rattling? No, internal cable routing is the best thing ever. Especially when the shop gets to charge you an hours worth of work for a 5 dollar cable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scotth72 View Post
    Really? When you have to take either the crank and/or the fork off the bike to change a rear derailleur cable? Or when you have to shove pipe insulation down the down tube through the head tube to quiet the internal cables from rattling? No, internal cable routing is the best thing ever. Especially when the shop gets to charge you an hours worth of work for a 5 dollar cable.
    I like internal cables and don't have a problem with servicing them myself, I like how clean they make a bike look. Never take my bike to a shop.

    Let's not get into a stupid internet argument about minutiae on a bike that may or may not exist. I am going to buy the new nomad next year, internal cables or not. : )

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    Quote Originally Posted by reformed roadie View Post
    Seriously...with all the new bikes they released recently, maybe Joe et al. needed a vacation.
    The next time I expect a new bike announcement from SC is 1 Apr 2014...so they have some time to relax until then.
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    Back to the proto's seen in whistler, I saw them also between sept 10-14th, saw them during a two days span. I asked a few questions and was given short or non verbal answers. Which was expected. But wanted to see if they would crack. They gave me the bronson answer also. Which I know what a bronson and a nomad looks like. Shop I work at is a santa cruz dealer.

    Rear triangle definitly looked like the nomad rear, didn't look any shorter tho, since I have a nomad I was trying to do a mental comaprison.

    I confirm that the bike did look a tad bit burlier than the bronson but not a whole lot. Very subtle if anything. So hard to say since it's a proto. I did ask if they are saying bronson cause it surely looked like a 27.5 nomad. And they could neither confirm or agree to my assumstion hahaha

    Anyways I do agree with those that have mentioned that it would such an overlap between the bronson and nomad if it stayed 160mm.

    Also it could be very well the new 2014 bronson and could be replacing the nomad and the 1stgen bronson all together. Which is my guess.
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    Perhaps a Bronson LT - Long Travel?

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    I have a hard time believing SC would kill the Nomad brand entirely. I can see it moving to 27.5 no problem or longer than 160mm travel. I could see SC getting rid of the Bronson like they killed the Nickel/Butcher and replacing it with a 27.5 Nomad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doodooboi View Post
    Also it could be very well the new 2014 bronson and could be replacing the nomad and the 1stgen bronson all together. Which is my guess.
    If your shop is a SC dealer then you should have some idea on the product cycles for SC products, I will give you a clue it's more than 12 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I have a hard time believing SC would kill the Nomad brand entirely.
    A lot of people said the same thing about the Blur . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I could see SC getting rid of the Bronson like they killed the Nickel/Butcher
    this scenario seems implausible.
    here we go again

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    Going out on a limb here... really hope the new Nomad is still a 26". 160-170mm rear. And all the other stuff that's been mentioned. Wanna put a 36 on it.

    Coming out in 26" makes sense, they are still selling, and there are a ton of people who will only ride them, and they are funner. A 650b will be too close to the bronson already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I could see SC getting rid of the Bronson . . . and replacing it with a 27.5 Nomad.
    Quote Originally Posted by doodooboi View Post
    . . . it could be very well the new 2014 bronson and could be replacing the nomad and the 1stgen bronson all together. Which is my guess.
    Quote Originally Posted by eleven-yo View Post
    this scenario seems implausible.
    I actually don't really see this as all that unrealistic. The Bronson may very well have been a test to see how well 27.5 sells in the long travel market. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see a 27.5 bike come out that has the geo of the Bronson with a rear triangle design of the Nomad; essentially a beefier Bronson. Who know's what the hell they'd call it, but having two 6" travel 650b bikes makes zero sense.
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    I think that they will keep the Bronson, because it's barely a year old and seems to be a hugely popular bike. Like someone pointed out, they have a much longer product cycle and killing it would be like admitting to failure. But they need a 27.5 bike that's one step above the Bronson. More travel, slacker HA, beefier frame, designed for big air shocks. I don't think that they will call it Bronson LT, although it's a possibility. Nomad has been such a popular bike over the years and has a strong identity of its own. It's almost an icon like V10. I think they will have a unique name for the new bike, targeting existing Nomad owners and anyone who wants something beefier than the current crop of 150mm enduro bikes. I think this bike will be a year or two ahead of times, if released April the 1st, leading 27.5 march upwards in bike categories. Soon DH bikes will be the only ones using 26 wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mehukatti View Post
    ...targeting existing Nomad owners and anyone who wants something beefier than the current crop of 150mm enduro bikes...
    Maybe what you mean is, even longer travel enduro bikes, since currently the latest patch of enduro bikes, like the Pivot Mach 6, Evil Uprising, Norco Range Killer B, Trek Scratch 9, SC Bronson to name a few, are more than beefy (and hackable) enough for the regular weekend warrior/amateur racer.

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    Bronson HD as in Heavy Duty ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    I actually don't really see this as all that unrealistic. The Bronson may very well have been a test to see how well 27.5 sells in the long travel market. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see a 27.5 bike come out that has the geo of the Bronson with a rear triangle design of the Nomad; essentially a beefier Bronson. Who know's what the hell they'd call it, but having two 6" travel 650b bikes makes zero sense.
    They would not have gone to the expense of producing a carbon frame to just test the market for 12 months. If that was the vision both the Solo and Bronson would have been produced in alloy only then when the market was proven they would have released the new carbon versions.

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    Looking at all the new 160mm bikes being announced for next year, it's almost 100% 650B, and it's all longer, lower, and slacker.

    I reckon the new Nomad will be 650B with a longer top tube/shorter seat tube, and about a 66 degree head angle. 160mm front and back.

    Comparing the Bronson geo to some of the new bikes coming out next year it's almost short and upright in comparison. This will be the difference the new nomad has over it.

    check out the norco range le: Range Carbon « All Mountain/Enduro « Mountain « Bikes « Norco Bicycles something like that but made by sc with vpp and I'll be getting a new bike.

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    Here is a pic of the RangeC, what a work of art. I do agree, SC copies the Geo & numbers and they will sell a $hit ton of bikes!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by markymark View Post
    Looking at all the new 160mm bikes being announced for next year, it's almost 100% 650B, and it's all longer, lower, and slacker.

    I reckon the new Nomad will be 650B with a longer top tube/shorter seat tube, and about a 66 degree head angle. 160mm front and back.

    Comparing the Bronson geo to some of the new bikes coming out next year it's almost short and upright in comparison. This will be the difference the new nomad has over it.

    check out the norco range le: Range Carbon « All Mountain/Enduro « Mountain « Bikes « Norco Bicycles something like that but made by sc with vpp and I'll be getting a new bike.
    I can't help but think this would still be just way to close to the Bronson. A 165mm, 66* HTA, longer TT Nomad would be the minimum to really distinguish itself from the Bronson if it's going to 650B.

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    Quote Originally Posted by expatrider View Post
    I can't help but think this would still be just way to close to the Bronson. A 165mm, 66* HTA, longer TT Nomad would be the minimum to really distinguish itself from the Bronson if it's going to 650B.
    5mm makes all the difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by markymark View Post
    5mm makes all the difference?
    I think 165mm is the absolute minimum travel it would need to distinguish it from the Bronson enough that it would appeal to riders who would think the Bronson is not enough bike for them. I'm just not sure how different a 160mm Nomad would be from the Bronson. Why would Santa Cruz make that bike? I'm not saying 165mm is what a new 650B Nomad should be, just that anything less would be redundant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by expatrider View Post
    I think 165mm is the absolute minimum travel it would need to distinguish it from the Bronson enough that it would appeal to riders who would think the Bronson is not enough bike for them. I'm just not sure how different a 160mm Nomad would be from the Bronson. Why would Santa Cruz make that bike? I'm not saying 165mm is what a new 650B Nomad should be, just that anything less would be redundant.
    yeah, but check out the geo of that norco range (and yeti sb66 and the jekyl), it's what sets them apart from the current nomad and bronson, the top tube is way, way longer and seattube shorter, and headtube slacker, bb lower. I hope they bring out a bike like this and I reckon if they want to win the EWS they will. It will become their enduro weapon of choice. Mine too. : )

    Never considered a norco, ever, but dang that thing is hawt. Want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markymark View Post
    yeah, but check out the geo of that norco range (and yeti sb66 and the jekyl), it's what sets them apart from the current nomad and bronson, the top tube is way, way longer and seattube shorter, and headtube slacker, bb lower. I hope they bring out a bike like this and I reckon if they want to win the EWS they will. It will become their enduro weapon of choice. Mine too. : )

    Being a bike snob of the highest order never even considered a norco, ever, but dang that thing is hawt. Want.
    I love the look of the Range. I'm not really seeing the geo as that much different. Bronson with a 150mm fork is 67* HTA, so about 66.5* with a 160 fork, which is the same as the Range. TT measurement can be misleading as fit will be affected by STA, so really need to look at Reach - the Range is only 7mm longer on a large frame - pretty insignificant; and BBH is only 2mm lower on the Range (344mm vs. 346mm). Still, numbers are just numbers, and I would love to test ride the Range - (Pivot Mach 6 too!!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by expatrider View Post
    the Range is only 7mm longer on a large frame - pretty insignificant
    i bet you'd notice 7mm longer reach more than you'd notice 5mm more travel

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    Quote Originally Posted by markymark View Post
    i bet you'd notice 7mm longer reach more than you'd notice 5mm more travel
    No I wouldn't. My pinky finger nail is longer than 7mm. So I wouldn't notice it at all. But yeah if that extra 7mm reach will make you happier than more travel, then have at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by expatrider View Post
    No I wouldn't. My pinky finger nail is longer than 7mm. So I wouldn't notice it at all. But yeah if that extra 7mm reach will make you happier than more travel, then have at it.
    What about internal cables? What's your stance on those?

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    Quote Originally Posted by markymark View Post
    I hope they bring out a bike like this and I reckon if they want to win the EWS they will.
    Might need a better enduro rider than Gracia/Peat/Minnaar/Bryceland to go with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuclear_powered View Post
    Might need a better enduro rider than Gracia/Peat/Minnaar/Bryceland to go with it.
    ha, too true... 95% of it is the rider, minnaar would be right up there if he did it full time though.

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    New Nomad should be something like Specialized Enduro Evo. Long travel "light weight" enduro/downhill/park capable bike. Current Nomad with updated geometry, more travel and ofcourse 27.5" wheels. Not another just enduro specific bike like Bronson.
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    It will be interesting to see what Santa Cruz team riders choose to ride in 2014 EWS. My guess is the Bronson for Italian rounds where one has to pedal to top of hills, but the 27.5 Nomad for lift-accessed rounds with high-speed downhills (Valloire for example).

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    Or they could just keep the current Nomad/C frame and just change/adapt the rear triangle only, to accept 650b wheels (similar to what Intense did). With a 160mm RS Pike 650b, a good wide rim and voluminous 650b tire like a 2.4 Trail king, Hans Dampf, High Roller 2, the head angle could easily be 66-65 degrees, with minimal cost to them.
    And again they would sell a shit load of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mehukatti View Post
    It will be interesting to see what Santa Cruz team riders choose to ride in 2014 EWS.
    My guess is just Bronsons.

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    Spotted in Whistler... a new 650B Nomad-image.jpg
    Those are 27.5" mavics, or?

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    Those are 27.5" mavics, or?
    Never mind, just saw there's a 26" version too

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    Yes, that seems to be the current Nomad with 26" Crossmax Enduro wheels. I think it's Jamie Nicoll's EWS race bike.

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    I'm surprised that so many people feel like there isn't room "above" the Bronson or that the Bronson is so capable that a longer travel bike with more progressive geometry could not satisfy a different set of needs/wants in the customer base. Fact is, the Bronson is a bad ass bike, but its geometry is fairly pedestrian and slightly more travel, a degree or so off the HTA, and lowering BB, not to mention changing around suspension setup would result in a drastically more capable bike (when pointed downhill)....think Banshee Rune and I think you have the idea. I live in a place where the bronson would be an ideal bike, but if I lived closer to real mountains, I'd want more bike.

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    Spotted in Whistler... a new 650B Nomad

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    Quote Originally Posted by ban View Post
    [ QUOTE=NCBigHit;10890751]I'm surprised that so many people feel like there isn't room "above" the Bronson or that the Bronson is so capable that a longer travel bike with more progressive geometry could not satisfy a different set of needs/wants in the customer base. Fact is, the Bronson is a bad ass bike, but its geometry is fairly pedestrian and slightly more travel, a degree or so off the HTA, and lowering BB, not to mention changing around suspension setup would result in a drastically more capable bike (when pointed downhill)....think Banshee Rune and I think you have the idea. I live in a place where the bronson would be an ideal bike, but if I lived closer to real mountains, I'd want more bike.
    I couldn't agree more, add to the Rune the new upcoming Canfield Balance.. I imagine the new nomad 27.5 similar to them....

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