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    Show your Tallboys picture thread? Is there one?

    Hi,
    didnīt find anything with the search engine.
    Is there a Tallboy picture thread yet?
    Are there even Tallboys out there?

    Iīd be very interested to see you bikes!

    Greetings Znarf

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    Here is mine:

    Large
    Black/red Carbon
    RS Monarch 3.3 Rear Shock
    '09 RS Reba Team 120 w/Maxle
    King Headset
    Sunline XC Stem 90x0
    Salsa Pro Moto Carbon Low Rise 31.8
    SRAM X.0 Grip Shift
    Serfas Soft Grips
    Thomson Masterpiece Post
    WTB Shadow V saddle
    King Bottom Bracket
    XT Cranks
    XT Front Derailluer
    SRAM 991 Hollow Pin Chain
    XT Cassette 11-34
    SRAM X.0 Rear Derailluer Long Cage
    Shimano 959 Pedals
    Avid Juicy 5 160 F&R w/Straitline Levers
    DT 240's 6 Bolt 20mm/QR
    Stan's Arches 32h
    DT Double Butted Spokes
    DT Aluminum Nipples
    Panaracer Rampage 2.35 F
    WTB Nanoraptor 2.1 R
    Q Tubes Ultralight F&R

    As it sits now it is about 27 lbs. Depending on my tire choice. Could probably drop another 1/2 lb.

    Had it since begining of Nov. and have beat the crap out of it. Takes it all and asks for more.
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    YEAH,
    thatīs what I was looking for.

    NICE bike, great build. Love those Straitline levers.

    btw. your truck really dwarves the 29" wheels

    Letīs hope there are MOAAAAR Tallboys out there!

    Greetings Znarf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Znarf
    YEAH,
    thatīs what I was looking for.

    NICE bike, great build. Love those Straitline levers.

    btw. your truck really dwarves the 29" wheels

    Letīs hope there are MOAAAAR Tallboys out there!

    Greetings Znarf

    Actually think it was the angle of the shot........looks even funnier when I have the Heckler shot that way.

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    Well,
    that couldnīt work out better.

    I ride a Heckler too, with a 160mm adjustable travel fork. Great trailbike. But I am intrigued by the 29" wheels.
    I feel the need for a second bike, something even snappier and lighter than the Heckler. For the reaaaaallly long epic rides.


    How does your Tallboy compare to your Heckler? Does it feel a lot different?


    Greetings Znarf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Znarf
    Well,
    that couldnīt work out better.

    I ride a Heckler too, with a 160mm adjustable travel fork. Great trailbike. But I am intrigued by the 29" wheels.
    I feel the need for a second bike, something even snappier and lighter than the Heckler. For the reaaaaallly long epic rides.


    How does your Tallboy compare to your Heckler? Does it feel a lot different?


    Greetings Znarf

    Take this with a grain of salt.........

    I have been riding 29ers since 2004, so obviously I like the way they ride.

    Since I got the Tallboy, I have not ridden the Heckler(XL, Float 36, DHX Coil...33 lbs.)

    The Tallboy replaced my Ventana El Padrino hardtail 29er.

    My Heckler obviously has a taller front end so it doesn't climb the steeps nearly as well as the Tallboy. Top tubes are within .5" of each other so the fit of the 2 bikes is really close.

    THe Heckler is smoother through the rough stuff, but that has more to do with amount of travel. I don't feel that I am giving up any speed on the Tallboy. With the 120mm fork, the Tallboy has a nice slack feel to it......but not slow in the steering.

    The Tallboy definately changes direction well....it is light and stiff so you can throw it around.

    The Heckler may not get as much use as it used to....the Tallboy has so far handled everything that I have thrown at it. For AM/FR type rides, the Heckler is the way to go, but for just about everything else the Tallboy is hard to beat.

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    This is my new Tallboy.
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    Purrrrty

    I like orange! Mine will look staright somber compared to yours.

    I also got the mntnkings. They work really well for our neck of the woods. What size frame?

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    Size large frame. I changed out the the Mtn. Kings for some WTB Stouts. It is super wet here in the south.

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    winter sucks

    yeah, I'm in GA. the freeze/ rain cycle has been brutal. Where about are you in the south?
    I'm dreaming of sunny days in pisgah

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    Hrrmmmmmm....

    I'd show mine.....................................If Santa Cruz would DELIVER it. When was Jan. 25?

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    Quote Originally Posted by velez3000
    yeah, I'm in GA. the freeze/ rain cycle has been brutal. Where about are you in the south?
    I'm dreaming of sunny days in pisgah
    I am in North Mississippi. Our trails have been saturated for a few months. My wife is from
    Greenville, SC and I miss it. Pisgah is a great place to ride. As for the tires, the Stout is not a racing tire by no means, but it is a good training tire.

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    greenville

    Yeah, Greenville is a sweet town and really close to asheville or Georgia. Enjoy the TB. I'll post up when it arrives.

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    The orange looks even better in person. Only problem is it has way too many gears.
    if you don't feel like riding, that's usually when you need it most

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkilgore
    This is my new Tallboy.

    I'm liking the orange also.
    I can fix it............... my dad has an awesome set of tools

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikej

    Large
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    RS Monarch 3.3 Rear Shock
    If you don't mind me asking...

    what's your saddle height, center of bb along the seat tube to top of the saddle?

    Trying to figure out what size I need by that measurement and the eff top tube...

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by fleanutz
    If you don't mind me asking...

    what's your saddle height, center of bb along the seat tube to top of the saddle?

    Trying to figure out what size I need by that measurement and the eff top tube...

    Thanks

    Wish I could help you with that.....I am currently broken, so the bike is living at the LBS for display/demo.

    However, you can kinda to the math if you have Thomson post. The length of the post is 350mm. I have about 1.5" extra before the limit line inside the frame.


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    Thanks for the info!

    Recover quickly.

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    Stupid double post.

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    Just got my XL frame today! Can't wait to build it up. Weighs in at 5.15lbs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rushak
    Just got my XL frame today! Can't wait to build it up. Weighs in at 5.15lbs.


    Sweet. .....is that what you got instead of the Blur XC?

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    Yup! I was hoping for an orange one, but this one will do just fine. Still need to get a few things before I can start building it up...mainly a fork. How you feeling?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rushak
    Yup! I was hoping for an orange one, but this one will do just fine. Still need to get a few things before I can start building it up...mainly a fork. How you feeling?

    Not a fan of the orange, but when done correctly, they look nice. We finally got 2 of the mediums that were ordered months ago.

    Feeling good......am able to drive and get around on my own now......still in a cast for another few weeks, then ????? Tired of being seditary. I have jumped on the bike and rode around the house 1 legged a few times, but felt like I was going to die.

    Post up some pics when you get it built.

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    [QUOTE=rushak]Just got my XL frame today! Can't wait to build it up. Weighs in at 5.15lbs.

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    Is that 5.15 weight with the seat clamp?

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    My XL w/Fox RP23 came in yesterday. I pressed the cups in and weighed it with the non-qr seatcolar.........5 even pounds on the scale.

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    Here's my build. Finished it over the weekend and I absolutely love this bike!

    Frame: Santa Cruz Tallboy, XL
    Rear Shock: Monarch 3.3; 6.5" x 1.5" (165x38mm)
    Fork: Fox F29 120mm RLC Q15 with FIT 2010 (non-tapered)
    Saddle: Specialized Phenom SL plus Gumby
    Seatpost: Easton EC90
    Seatpost Clamp: Santa Cruz QR
    Handlebar: Easton MonkeyLite XC
    Stem: Easton EA90 90mm 10 degree rise
    Grips: LizardSkins Charger
    Headset: Chris King
    Brakes: Avid Elixir CR, 160mm front/rear rotors
    Shift Lever: Simano XTR SL-M970
    Chain Guide: MRP 1.X
    Rear Derailleur: Shimano XTR RD-M972 Shadow
    Crankset: Shimano XTR M970 32t chainring 180mm length
    Bottom Bracket: Chris King
    Chain: Shimano XTR CN-7701
    Pedals: Time Atac XS Carbon
    Cassette: Shimano XT 11-34t
    Wheels: DT Swiss 240s laced to DT X470 rims. Converted tubeless
    Tires: Maxxis Aspen 2.1 Front; Specialized Captain Control 2bliss 2.0 Rear. Stans Tire Sealant

    Weight: 24.2lbs.






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    Quote Originally Posted by rushak
    Here's my build. Finished it over the weekend and I absolutely love this bike!

    Frame: Santa Cruz Tallboy, XL
    Rear Shock: Monarch 3.3; 6.5" x 1.5" (165x38mm)
    Fork: Fox F29 120mm RLC Q15 with FIT 2010 (non-tapered)
    Saddle: Specialized Phenom SL plus Gumby
    Seatpost: Easton EC90
    Seatpost Clamp: Santa Cruz QR
    Handlebar: Easton MonkeyLite XC
    Stem: Easton EA90 90mm 10 degree rise
    Grips: LizardSkins Charger
    Headset: Chris King
    Brakes: Avid Elixir CR, 160mm front/rear rotors
    Shift Lever: Simano XTR SL-M970
    Chain Guide: MRP 1.X
    Rear Derailleur: Shimano XTR RD-M972 Shadow
    Crankset: Shimano XTR M970 32t chainring 180mm length
    Bottom Bracket: Chris King
    Chain: Shimano XTR CN-7701
    Pedals: Time Atac XS Carbon
    Cassette: Shimano XT 11-34t
    Wheels: DT Swiss 240s laced to DT X470 rims. Converted tubeless
    Tires: Maxxis Aspen 2.1 Front; Specialized Captain Control 2bliss 2.0 Rear. Stans Tire Sealant

    Weight: 24.2lbs.
    Nice! Is that a King headset?

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    Quote Originally Posted by red5jedi
    Nice! Is that a King headset?
    Yup..CK headset.

    Inset Mixed Tapered:

    http://www.bikebling.com/Chris-King-...mixtapered.htm

    Plus a 1.5" to 1-1/8" Reducer baseplate.

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    Stealthy. I like the 1X9 setup. I haven't changed out of the middle chainring yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rushak
    Here's my build. Finished it over the weekend and I absolutely love this bike!
    That turned out nicely...liking the 1x9 too bad it's not orange...(we all know the orange ones are better j/k) looks like SC really came through on the frame replacement. Let us know how that MRP 1x guide works out.
    BTW wrap that chainstay and support truss (trust me).

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvilBkr
    That turned out nicely...liking the 1x9 too bad it's not orange...(we all know the orange ones are better j/k) looks like SC really came through on the frame replacement. Let us know how that MRP 1x guide works out.
    BTW wrap that chainstay and support truss (trust me).
    MRP 1x works great so far. No problems with shifting or the chain coming off the ring. I've only ridden it once up to Old Camp and down the luge. Wish this rain would let up. Surprisingly enough, the chain slap is very minimal. I'm guessing that is due to more tension on the chain. I actually have clear protective tape on the inside of the chainstay, seatstay and support truss. I will throw a chanstay protector on soon enough, but I don't think it's really necessary with a 1x9 setup. I really do love the orange, but I'm actually glad SC sent me the carbon after building it. We need to do a TB's only ride...lol!

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    Purchasing frame separate appears to be the way to go

    The full builds that are offered in the 5000.00 range , don't seem like a very good deal. Has anyone bought a complete bike. For 2600.00 , you are better off purchasing what you want. Nice bikes, how does the Monarch compare to the Fox? thanks Rich

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    just getting started...
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    Was wondering if the tallboy would be a good bike for competing in Super D's with the 120mm front fork option? Anyone with any experiences?

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    My frame showed up yesterday. Can't wait to get it together and see what it is capable of. The frame weight is just nuts!

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    Medium with XX and Mavic C29SSMax. 23.8lbs with 670g tires.
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    Hmm, this thread making me thirsty for my very own Tallboy.
    For sale: NEW Race Face D2 stem, black, zero rise, 50mm length. $40

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    Completed build

    XXL - 24.5 lbs. XTR, Stans/American Classic wheels, hope race x2 brakes, specy captain tires, easton cockpit and seatpost, time pedals.

    Can't wait to ride it... need some snow to melt.
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    Dont have a TB yet but got to ride one yesterday.
    Set up with XT,Avid Elixers and a 100mm Fox Fit RLC and Fox Float RP23. Cockpit was set up with a 110mm 0deg stem and a flat bar (L size when I really needed an XL).
    Not sure what the guys who say it is too Trail for XC expect from an XC bike vs a "Trail" bike but apart from the ride being awesomely smooth the Tallboy is every bit as XC as my old Jet.
    The front end is nice and light and picking it up to put it over trail obstacles was just too easy. It hugged the curves and FELT fast. IMO if it feels too plush then you have set up the fork and shock too soft. Again IMO the tables for the Fit RLC are waaaaay out. Fox's recommendation for me at 185lb was 95psi but doing the sag test I only needed about 65psi in the fork. RP23 felt OK at the recommendation on the Santa Cruz site but could perhaps have been slightly higher.
    Only negative was the Small Block 8's that were installed which were absolutely horrible for the trails where I was riding.
    A beautiful bike all in all and now even higher up my list of options for endurance racing.

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    A couple of pics of mine. Wheels/tires are borrowed until I get mine. So far (2 rides) I am very impressed with it. 26.3lbs as pictured.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogboy
    A couple of pics of mine. Wheels/tires are borrowed until I get mine. So far (2 rides) I am very impressed with it. 26.3lbs as pictured.
    Build and size??
    Seems heavy for that bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR
    Build and size??
    Seems heavy for that bike.
    Could be that some of the weights in this thread are a wee bit on the optimistic side...

    My build is as follows:
    SC Tallboy frame Medium
    Rock Shox Reba Team 120mm, tapered steerer, Maxle
    Cane Creek tapered headset - XX II lower, ZS-3 upper
    Easton EC90 seatpost
    WTB Silverado Team saddle
    Truvativ Stylo Team Stem 90mm
    Race Face Atlas FR 1/2 riser bar
    Race Face Sniper Lock-on grips
    Shimano Deore XT disc brakes, 160mm rotors f/r
    Shimano XTR shifters
    Shimano XTR Shadow GS rear derailleur
    Shimano XT front derailleur
    Shimano XTR chain
    Shimano XT 11/32 cassette
    Shimano XTR crankset 172.5mm, 22/32/BG
    Stans Arch/Hope Pro II wheels
    Continental Race King 2.2 tires w/Stan's sealant

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogboy
    A couple of pics of mine. Wheels/tires are borrowed until I get mine. So far (2 rides) I am very impressed with it. 26.3lbs as pictured.


    That is a nice bike but you need to becarful of the fatique resiatence in crabon fiber. It is new and it has no build up of fatique resitsance in the crabon fiber yet yet . Ima expert CAT3 road racer making me qualified to comment and a expert in fatique resistence I really no alot about this field ...............................

    I have some good ideals to make to that frame to take affective wait reduction,,, ........................ making it acelerate faster, longer , stronger , but I cant give them to you for free but if you wish to employ my expertise their will be a fee .





    What size shoes are those they nome size

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    Hey guys I was wondering can I put just a regular headset on the bike I have seen all the 1/1.8 on the top are inset. I should not have problem with a regular headset on top right? I like my bars a little higer so no prob there. I have a medium Stumpjumper fsr 29er at 24.6 pounds so I hope to get my Tallboy under 23lbs.
    Your big wheels are so awesome!

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    Getting the TB a little dirty

    Here's my Large TB coming in at 27lbs with Fox 120 pretty much XT stock build minus tires and Fizik Aliante test saddle. I'm 6'2" 185 lbs just loving this ride....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Badpichu
    Hey guys I was wondering can I put just a regular headset on the bike I have seen all the 1/1.8 on the top are inset. I should not have problem with a regular headset on top right? I like my bars a little higer so no prob there. I have a medium Stumpjumper fsr 29er at 24.6 pounds so I hope to get my Tallboy under 23lbs.


    The Tallboy uses an 1 1/8 semi-integrate upper cup and 1.5" regular external lower cup.

    Like the one here in the middle:



    If you want to get your bars up a little higher, try an additional spacer or a higher rise bar.
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    So a regular 1 1/8 headset top will not work? it has to be inset? Maybe that should of been my question.
    Your big wheels are so awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badpichu
    So a regular 1 1/8 headset top will not work? it has to be inset? Maybe that should of been my question.
    A traditional 1 1/8" press fit headset cup will not work. The frame uses the 1 1/8" ZS standard - 44.0mm.

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    You can use the one on the left as well...no?
    I am immune to your disdain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by indyfab25
    You can use the one on the left as well...no?
    The one on the left "may" have a 1.5" ZS lower cup. In that case, no. It has an OD of 55.95 vs. 49.61 for a traditional 1.5" press-fit cup. If you use a tapered steerer, you must use a traditional, external lower cup. If you use a straight 1 1/8" steerer, you can use an internal or external lower cup.

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    Thanks.
    Your big wheels are so awesome!

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    Still playing around with the spacers - as you can see I have it in the middle
    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikej
    The Tallboy uses an 1 1/8 semi-integrate upper cup and 1.5" regular external lower cup.

    Like the one here in the middle:



    If you want to get your bars up a little higher, try an additional spacer or a higher rise bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogboy
    Could be that some of the weights in this thread are a wee bit on the optimistic side...

    My build is as follows:
    SC Tallboy frame Medium
    Rock Shox Reba Team 120mm, tapered steerer, Maxle
    Cane Creek tapered headset - XX II lower, ZS-3 upper
    Easton EC90 seatpost
    WTB Silverado Team saddle
    Truvativ Stylo Team Stem 90mm
    Race Face Atlas FR 1/2 riser bar
    Race Face Sniper Lock-on grips
    Shimano Deore XT disc brakes, 160mm rotors f/r
    Shimano XTR shifters
    Shimano XTR Shadow GS rear derailleur
    Shimano XT front derailleur
    Shimano XTR chain
    Shimano XT 11/32 cassette
    Shimano XTR crankset 172.5mm, 22/32/BG
    Stans Arch/Hope Pro II wheels
    Continental Race King 2.2 tires w/Stan's sealant
    Sorry but I am struggling to see how your bike weighs anywhere near that weight.
    We weighed the L size demo with XT buildkit and not light wheels on the weekend and it weighed about that (without pedals).
    Full XTR build like yours should be considerably lighter.
    My large Jet9 with SRAM X9 build weighed about 26.5lb

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR
    Sorry but I am struggling to see how your bike weighs anywhere near that weight.
    I am pretty confident that it is accurate. It was weighed on the same scale showing the sub-5lb frame/shock weight in an earlier post. My bars aren't superlight and the pedals aren't either when compared to something like a ti Eggbeater. One thing I'm not 100% sure on is the wheels. They are loaners and I haven't looked closely to see if they are Competition, Supercomp, or Revolution spokes. They do have alloy nipples. I also don't know how much sealant is in the tires - for all I know there are 3 scoops in each tire.

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    I have those exact same hubs and rims. From memory they are around 1800g built up with Comp spokes.
    If the pedals are Atacs they are not light but they are not stupidly heavy either.
    I run XTR pedals which fall into the same boat.
    There would be grams to be saved on the pedals, bar and grips but surely not over 2lb.

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    Exerts in the feld are quit aware of mfr tolrances . was your scale calberated smarty pants . if so , how . what make of scale do you have hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm???????

    crabon fiber, tires . hydro fluid , as well as region and time of year can all have a fluxuational affect mfr tolereses as well on the outcome of mass .

    seriously I am an epert too and I am an expert to and will not untill we get to the bottom of this weight discrepisy, dogboy now was you scale calimabrated ,,, hmmmmmm?????

    and what size shoe do you where you look like you have some pretty feet

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    Hey - who is that directed at? Do I need to post a picture on the scale?

    Maybe you are just using heavy stuff on your build. Wheels, cassette, bars, grips, brakes... we could get that beast down to 24 in no time.



    Quote Originally Posted by Dogboy
    Could be that some of the weights in this thread are a wee bit on the optimistic side...

    My build is as follows:
    SC Tallboy frame Medium
    Rock Shox Reba Team 120mm, tapered steerer, Maxle
    Cane Creek tapered headset - XX II lower, ZS-3 upper
    Easton EC90 seatpost
    WTB Silverado Team saddle
    Truvativ Stylo Team Stem 90mm
    Race Face Atlas FR 1/2 riser bar
    Race Face Sniper Lock-on grips
    Shimano Deore XT disc brakes, 160mm rotors f/r
    Shimano XTR shifters
    Shimano XTR Shadow GS rear derailleur
    Shimano XT front derailleur
    Shimano XTR chain
    Shimano XT 11/32 cassette
    Shimano XTR crankset 172.5mm, 22/32/BG
    Stans Arch/Hope Pro II wheels
    Continental Race King 2.2 tires w/Stan's sealant

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    Quote Originally Posted by RWGreen
    Hey - who is that directed at?
    Not directed at anyone in particular. I do know what a sub-24lb Tallboy looks like though and it has some pretty exotic kit on it. As for mine, I am more than happy with the weight. Heck, it's going to gain a little when my wheels are done. I built it to handle the way I ride and I am confident in the parts spec. Plus, it's about 5lbs lighter than my trail bike from last year

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    Quote Originally Posted by cholo
    Exerts in the feld are quit aware of mfr tolrances . was your scale calberated smarty pants . if so , how . what make of scale do you have hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm???????

    crabon fiber, tires . hydro fluid , as well as region and time of year can all have a fluxuational affect mfr tolereses as well on the outcome of mass .

    seriously I am an epert too and I am an expert to and will not untill we get to the bottom of this weight discrepisy, dogboy now was you scale calimabrated ,,, hmmmmmm?????

    and what size shoe do you where you look like you have some pretty feet
    cholo

    Go away and sober up before posting again.
    I, and probably others, have NFI what you are trying to say with your rambling posts.

    And obviously you are not an expert speller or spell check user.

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    I am kinda of shocked at the weights of your bikes actually, like I said I had my sj down to 24 and half pounds and I know the frame is like 7 pounds. I will have mine built soon I will post the weight. I don't have any "exotic" parts either. Interesting, maybe my sub23 pound bike was a pipe dream! haha
    Your big wheels are so awesome!

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    1.) Dogboy's sweet new frame arrives.

    2.) Dogboy posts picture of frame on scale. No one balks.

    3.) Dogboy posts sweet new frame built, along with specs, and total weight*

    4.) Weight weenies balk at Dogboy's stated weight, but do not balk at any other claimed weight from other builds in same thread.

    5.) Cognitive bias.

    6.) WGAF. Nice bike Dogboy. I am sure it's a blast to ride.



    * I find it interesting Dogboy posts a picture of his sweet new frame hanging on a scale. No one argues the weight. I little deductive reasoning should indicate the same scale was used for Dogboy's complete weight claim. The complete weight claim should be as valid as the frame-only claim. No?

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    A little deductive reasoning would indicate that there are many other builds here and elsewhere that are purporting to be lighter than Dogboy's and enquiring minds would then question why Dogboy's awesome bike is so comparitively heavy.

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    Can you please resize your pic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR
    A little deductive reasoning would indicate that there are many other builds here and elsewhere that are purporting to be lighter than Dogboy's and enquiring minds would then question why Dogboy's awesome bike is so comparitively heavy.

    Illogical. No other photo shows a scale. No deduction can be made to validate their claims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jkilgore
    This is my new Tallboy.
    NIce!! I love the orange!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR
    A little deductive reasoning would indicate that there are many other builds here and elsewhere that are purporting to be lighter than Dogboy's and enquiring minds would then question why Dogboy's awesome bike is so comparitively heavy.
    Purporting is the key word here. I am seriously not trying to start anything, but I think my posted weight is accurate. As I said, I have some "not so light" parts mixed in with my "pretty light, but not exotic ti/carbon" parts. Mine is not a spreadsheet weight, but an actual weight that when compared with my other bikes weighed on the same scale seems legit.

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    So - still not sure I understand why people can't understand the relative weights of different builds. Dogboy has a really solid build, and the weight seems perfectly reasonable to me given XT disk brakes, XT cassette, 1800g wheels, etc. It's not at all hard to see how there are much lighter builds. 2lbs lighter would be super easy if that's where he wanted to go. There are some high end builds here, and add XX, light tires (like the 500g aspens) and crank bros 4ti pedals - you could see some crazy light stuff. Bottom line is this is an amazing 29er frame that shocks me how light you can build it without doing dumb stuff.
    Here is verification of the weight on my XTR build XXL frame.
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    Well said RWGreen. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR
    I have those exact same hubs and rims. From memory they are around 1800g built up with Comp spokes.
    If the pedals are Atacs they are not light but they are not stupidly heavy either.
    I run XTR pedals which fall into the same boat.
    There would be grams to be saved on the pedals, bar and grips but surely not over 2lb.

    - He does have XT: Brakes, Cassette & Frt. Der., Heavy Bar/Stem and THREE scoops of Stans in each tire.

    I'd believe that build weight. Heck, my XL, Taper Float 120, I9's w/arches, Easton carbon bar/EA90 stem, FULL XTR except for Elixr CR's w/ XX 185 rotors, Spec. S-Works Purgatory 2.2's 1 scoop Stans each, KS i950r seatpost and Spec. Ti railed seat weighs 26 on the nose.

    When I swap to an EC90 seatpost I will drop a full POUND.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogboy
    Well said RWGreen. Thanks

    - Yes. VERY well put.

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    Look, I agree that the Tallboy is a fantastic bike and was certainly not having a go at anyone here.
    I simply wondered whether Dogboy had made an error with his calculation was all.
    I would be happy to have any of the builds that I have seen here and am waiting patiently (not) for mine to arrive this week.
    Hopefully I will have a built up Tallboy to show you within the next couple of weeks.

    I will make sure I picture it hanging from a scale.

    Cheers all.

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    i dont personally give a **** about the weights. i will say this....the black Tallboy is absolutely beautiful and I hate all of you who own one. (because i want it)

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    I tihnk its just heavy with awsomenes!!! I love the bike. hahah
    Your big wheels are so awesome!

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    Kinda new to this forum stuff, but just purchased a Santa Cruz Tallboy. I went the route of F120 RLC, Sram X9, Stans ZTR Wheels, Elixir R Brakes. Got it too late last night to ride, but man I cant wait to get home from work today!!!!
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    OK just got my frame I weight it 4 times cause I actually had a hard time thinking it was right it registered at 4.4 pounds. Its a medium frame but damn that is light and its half a pound lighter then the 5 pound mark wich I would of been very happy with, but 4.4 is plain stupid light. Its lighter then most ss frames I have had. Bad pic sorry.
    Your big wheels are so awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badpichu
    OK just got my frame I weight it 4 times cause I actually had a hard time thinking it was right it registered at 4.4 pounds. Its a medium frame but damn that is light and its half a pound lighter then the 5 pound mark wich I would of been very happy with, but 4.4 is plain stupid light. Its lighter then most ss frames I have had. Bad pic sorry.


    I think your scale is off. My large black was 5.26 and a large orange was 5.39 lbs. I highly doubt that there is that much of a difference in weight between the M & L frames.
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    Yea it has to be off, but who cares its so hot! I am going to ride the living hell out of the thing. lol
    Your big wheels are so awesome!

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    Stupid question but when I press the headset do I use the carbon grease that came with the frame? Thanks
    Your big wheels are so awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badpichu
    Stupid question but when I press the headset do I use the carbon grease that came with the frame? Thanks

    Yeah, you can use that or any other grease. I think I used the Park grease.
    I resolve to constantly assert my honest opinion on anything and everything - whether it is requested or not.
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    First time on a carbon frame I am def looking forward to builiding it and riding it! It's the first time I ever had a frame this glam its going to take me time to get used to it. The guys at my trails are going to drool. haha
    Your big wheels are so awesome!

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    Just Completed Tall Boy Build

    Turned out great. Ran rear der. shift cable underneath top tube and added a couple of self-adhesive cable guides to tuck Nokon's neatly in place.

    Actually got into upper 30's (F) around here, rode around neighborhood for a couple hours. Felt much more nimble and responsive as compared to my 2008 Specialized 29 FSR.

    Can't wait to get it out on the trails.

    LBS scale showed a little over 25 lbs., no claim for any verified scale calibration, does agree with my running spreadsheet component weight summation.

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    2010 Santa Cruz Tallboy - Matte - Medium: rear shock Fox RP23
    Fork: Rockshox Reba Team 29er Fork tapered
    Crankset-FSA K-Force XC MegaExo - ceramic BB
    Brakes: Hope Tech X2 - Front & Rear - 160mm disc
    Chris King NoThreadset 1 1/8" - 1 1/2"
    Thomson Elite X4 Mtb Stem - SM-E140-110mm, 10 deg.
    FSA Headset Spacers 1 1/8"
    Cassette SRAM PG990 11-34
    SRAM PC991 Hollow Pin Chain 9 sp
    Seatpost: Thomson Elite-setback 30.9/410mm
    Thomson 35.0 Seatclamp Black
    Mavic C29 crossmax
    Shimano XTR Der FD-M971 down swing
    SRAM X.0 Rear Derailleur
    SRAM X.9 Trigger Shifters
    Pedals Crank Brothers Candy SL
    Easton EC70 XC Carbon Flat Bar
    Specialized Rival SL Saddle
    Grips ODI MTB Lock-On
    Kenda Karma Tires - Front & Rear
    Nokon Gear System Cables
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    Completed Tall Boy Build - all pictures did not upload first try

    All pictures did not upload, here are a couple more.
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    Finished my build

    Here is mine finished comes in at 23.8 pounds for a FS 29er its like cheating I took it out today for the first time I ran into a guy that usually brings the pain first time I ever dropped him!!! hahaha The fact that I can peddle through corners is awesome with the stumpy it was a guarantee that I would stick a crank on the ground. The ride on the tallboy is very unique the bike feels better the faster I went, very lively feel to it. The Tallboy really has fixed most of the 29er disadvantages I think Rob Roskopp is going to be way richer with this bike under his belt!!!

    Your big wheels are so awesome!

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    Here is my Tallboy configured for endurance mode (26.5lbs). The King hubs and Arch wheel are a little on the heavy side – might get a set of AC (for race mode) and drop a pound. This bike feels great with a stiff, nimble and plush ride. The frame with headset weighed in at 5.7lbs. A big thanks to Steve at Bike Man
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    Any tire recommendations? I am running the racing ralphs front and rear and the tires seem not to grip very well with this build. Perhaps I need to run the PSI lower but I run them low as it is. I ride sandy and loose terrain.
    Your big wheels are so awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badpichu
    Any tire recommendations? I am running the racing ralphs front and rear and the tires seem not to grip very well with this build. Perhaps I need to run the PSI lower but I run them low as it is. I ride sandy and loose terrain.

    - My new favorite is the Specialized S-Works Purgatory 2Bliss 2.2
    They're a little heavier than the RR's at 675ish but have a pretty full knob and grip well in all conditions I've tried them in so far.....

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    How do people like the Conti Race King's? I am considering those or the Saguro's for my new Tallboy.
    2011 S-Works Epic 29er

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    I have always liked the Crossmark rear, Ignitor front as race tyres and will continue to run this option.
    I also have a set of Racing Ralphs to try out for this purpose.

    For general trail riding I like Ardent rear and either a Rampage or Weirwolf up front.

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    rralphs

    The racing ralphs gripped better for me on the heavier bike feel too loose on the Tallboy on loose conditions. I changed the back tire to an s-works the Captain that I already had see if that helps.
    Your big wheels are so awesome!

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    Here's an updated pic of mine with my wheels (Stan's Flow rims on I9 hubs). Ended up just over 26lbs. Very happy with it so far.

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    1 more day!!!
    Then to seek out the final piece of the puzzle.......tapered steerer QR fork.

    Black Fox or Reba?!?!?!

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    EL fox

    Dude EL fox!!! Problem is getting it, I would try calling Speedgoat and asking about the fox just say you don't see it on their site. They will say something like we don't sell those and then they will say something like I might have one I can sell you. etc...
    Your big wheels are so awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badpichu
    Any tire recommendations? I am running the racing ralphs front and rear and the tires seem not to grip very well with this build. Perhaps I need to run the PSI lower but I run them low as it is. I ride sandy and loose terrain.
    Can't go wrong with the ignitors for an all around great tire. I'm trying out the captains, but have a sneaking suspicion that I may be back on ignitors this year, after trying out mountain kings and racing ralph last year.

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    Tires

    I have the Racing Ralp on the front and the Captain in the back I really like the Combo, It's not a death grip on corners but not at all bad with the ralph on the back was not fun but the tire was worn a bit too.
    Your big wheels are so awesome!

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    It is here!!!!!
    Been talking options over with Shannon from Blacksheep Imports over here in Australia for quite some time now.
    We could not find a dually that we were 100% happy with from his range but he was fantastic in investigating what could be done to get us on the Santa Cruz Tallboys.
    Test rode one a couple of weeks ago and was extremely impressed with how it rode. Another of those bikes where it just tempts you to ride it harder.
    Many many thanks to Blacksheep Imports and Santa Cruz Australia.










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    Congrats!!! Its a great ride gets better the more you ride it too.
    Your big wheels are so awesome!

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    Looking for a good deal on 2 black tapered steerer forks (100 - 120mm convertable)
    Anyone able to give me a lead on where I can get them for a good price??
    I have not had much luck sourcing them within Australia.
    I can get the Fox with a 15mm QR but we want standard QR for compatibility of wheelsets across both my bikes.

    Definitely need to be black.
    Dont tell me I should go to 15mm, I am not interested at all.

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    speedgoat.com is the only place you might be able to get the fork, but you will only be able to get it in 15mm more then likely and you have to call them they don't sell it on their site. They will have to make you a shopping cart etc. That is how I got mine, I had to go to 15mm but I have hope hubs super easy to convert. Good luck.
    Your big wheels are so awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badpichu
    speedgoat.com is the only place you might be able to get the fork, but you will only be able to get it in 15mm more then likely and you have to call them they don't sell it on their site. They will have to make you a shopping cart etc. That is how I got mine, I had to go to 15mm but I have hope hubs super easy to convert. Good luck.
    Will contact them but 15mm is NOT an option.
    I have 2 bikes and need the wheels to be compatible between them in case of mechanical issues.
    I have Hope hubs too so know how easy it is to convert but this would mean a new fork for the 2nd bike which is not a cost I want.
    Mucking around swapping end caps in the middle of a race would not be ideal either.

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    Coming along.
    No rush seeing as though I have to source the taper steerer fork.
    I have a lead on some Fox F29's but just waiting on some responses from some other shops to see if they can offer any cheaper.
    Just installed the rigid fork so that I can get on with sorting out cockpit setup in the meantime.


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