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    That's a tough one, I'm 6'2" and owned a large TB. I had to get a dropper seatpost to make it work for me. The XL is pretty big, IMO opinion it will depend on the style of riding you prefer.

    From experience I can tell you the Thompson setback is not the solution if your running a 120 fork up front. The front end will not stay planted due to the short chainstays.

    I would suggest trying out one of the online fittings competitive cyclist or speedgoat offers, they sell a ton of these bikes and prob would be able to steer you in the right direction.

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    Tallboy in winter...


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    Quote Originally Posted by dpastore22
    That's a tough one, I'm 6'2" and owned a large TB. I had to get a dropper seatpost to make it work for me. The XL is pretty big, IMO opinion it will depend on the style of riding you prefer.

    From experience I can tell you the Thompson setback is not the solution if your running a 120 fork up front. The front end will not stay planted due to the short chainstays.

    I would suggest trying out one of the online fittings competitive cyclist or speedgoat offers, they sell a ton of these bikes and prob would be able to steer you in the right direction.

    Thanks for the input.
    I was out skiing with my LBS mech today and we were talking a bit about it as he is getting one too. We have always ridden the exact same size bikes with similar set ups (he even rode a shorter stem on some occasion) He is going XL and I did some measuring last night and think I should stick with the Large. I like to ride a short stem and have been comfortable on my hardtail 29er with a 24.2 TT, set back post and 70mm stem with flat bar. I know some things will change with adding rear suspension, like sag, squatting when climbing etc and I'm feeling like I could always add 20mm to the stem and run a straight post if I end up too far off the back and will still have a stem under 100mm.
    Interesting what you say about the set back and 120 fork. I have a 120 Fox 15qr that I needed to slacken out my hardtail but may drop it down to 100...
    Looking forward to my build as I am combining two of my bikes and using the best of the best, favorite of the favorite parts. It may not be the lightest with Hope M4's, King Hubs, 1x9/10 MRP Lopes chain guide, and a Joplin, but this thing is gunna rip!

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    Absolutely love mine. I rode a 2011 S-Works 29er and felt that the Tallboy suited me best. This thing has been amazing so far. I was concerned about running 2x10, but those concerns have since evaporated.

    This bike is so fast up and down. Super stiff and you don't even have to use the propedal if you have the correct air pressure.

    Here is my parts list:

    '11 Medium Tallboy
    '11 Fox F29 FIT RLC
    '11 XTR Brakes
    '11 XO 10 spd Triggers
    Race Face Riser Carbon Bar
    Easton EA90 Stem
    ESI SL Foam Grips
    Cane Creek Headset (Being Replaced with a red Chris King)
    Rock Shox Reverb seatpost
    Specialized Ti Saddle (Being replaced with something else lighter, not quite sure yet)
    '11 XTR 2x10 Cranks
    Cranks Brothers 2 Ti Pedals
    'X9 2x10 Front Derailleur
    XX Cassette
    '11 XO Rear Derailleur
    Chris King Hubs laced to Stans Arch Rims (Being replaced with Roval SL 29 Carbon)
    Tubeless Tires

    Weight as of now is 25.10 lbs. Thats with a bottle cage, Garmin Computer w/ mount, and a bell.

    The new wheelset should shed almost a pound off. I'm playing with the idea of swapping the Reverb for a Thomson Masterpiece. That should shed another half pound.
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    my xmas present has arrived







    not the best but dark garage and late...this was a stock bottom specs TB...but added X( rear derl., X9 shifters, Monkey bars, my old XTR brakes, Ritchey foam grips, Twin Spyder saddle,
    SRAM S1400 crank 39x26, Masterpiece and for the season an Ardent front tire...

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    Before I put the saddle and brakes on she weighed 27 lbs 6oz with pedals at the shop, so now she should be right at 27 lbs...next I'm gonna Ghetto the wheels...no money for wheels yet...that will hopefully shave another third of a pound off or so...


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    Ok I'll play. Just got mine built up over Thanksgiving. with all of this rain its been sitting though....
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    There are only two things more agonising than looking at all these Tallboy rigs and not owning one...
    1. paying for one
    2. having to wait 2 weeks until it arrives

    I am currently experiencing this after paying a hefty deposit today...

    Size large, XO XC build kit, 120mm fork, Reverb seatpost, Stan's Arch rims, Chub and DT Swiss hubs.

    Photos in 14 days and counting!

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    There seems to be more sizing uncertainty with the TB than any frame I've ever looked at. I guess SC's sizing is a little odd. I've ridden nothing but large turners for the better part of the last decade but the TB large is a little smaller than my spot. After comparing the frames side by side but only getting to ride the large I went xl. I'm 6'2" and the large just felt too cramped. The xl is not monster truck big like some xl's and the bend in the TT gives me tons of standover. I did pay the weight penalty though, the large was 5.15# and my xl is 5.3#. Ok, not really. But on the large I would have to run a lot of post, a stem with a ton of rise and a wonky setback post or the seat pushed all the way back and so on to get into a comfy riding position. My brother is almost 3" shorter and he prefers the xl to the large as well. I'm also running my reba at 140 and I like to ne more upright than the xc-racer types. Everyone is differen so your results may vary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AK Chris
    There seems to be more sizing uncertainty with the TB than any frame I've ever looked at. I guess SC's sizing is a little odd. I've ridden nothing but large turners for the better part of the last decade but the TB large is a little smaller than my spot. After comparing the frames side by side but only getting to ride the large I went xl. I'm 6'2" and the large just felt too cramped. The xl is not monster truck big like some xl's and the bend in the TT gives me tons of standover. I did pay the weight penalty though, the large was 5.15# and my xl is 5.3#. Ok, not really. But on the large I would have to run a lot of post, a stem with a ton of rise and a wonky setback post or the seat pushed all the way back and so on to get into a comfy riding position. My brother is almost 3" shorter and he prefers the xl to the large as well. I'm also running my reba at 140 and I like to ne more upright than the xc-racer types. Everyone is differen so your results may vary.
    after my research that is one other reason I liked the TB! It has the shortest chainstain measurement of all the 29ers I considered (GF, SPC, Giant, and SC) when I first test rode the TB I was apprehensive, b/c all they had was a LG and I am 5' 9'' and had always heard go a size smalller when going 29er...well I rode it set it up correctly (another thing that is so important when demoing any bike) ie since I got it from a store I reversed the stem, tilted the HB the way I like it added 10 lbs to the rear shock and I was in LOVE with it and could not understand why everyone said MEDUIM, even the one sales guy, but the owner said ride it and see what u think.

    So when I compared the measurements etc it is almost like whatever size you think you need you need to get one larger, BUT the great thing is that IMHO one of the advantages of the TB is that I still have a shorter wheelbase and can cut corners better than the other guys with smaller bikes/frames from the other bikes I considered! and the price is not that bad when u consider YOU ARE GETTING A FULL CARBON FRAME! Look at the prices the EPIC UNLESS you get a S-Works has an Alum rear triangle! So, I am patient enough and low on $$$ but can have one of the "best" frames with lower end components that will be right up there when the $$$ start rolling in better again....

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    Quote Originally Posted by cale399
    after my research that is one other reason I liked the TB! It has the shortest chainstain measurement of all the 29ers I considered (GF, SPC, Giant, and SC) when I first test rode the TB I was apprehensive, b/c all they had was a LG and I am 5' 9'' and had always heard go a size smalller when going 29er...well I rode it set it up correctly (another thing that is so important when demoing any bike) ie since I got it from a store I reversed the stem, tilted the HB the way I like it added 10 lbs to the rear shock and I was in LOVE with it and could not understand why everyone said MEDUIM, even the one sales guy, but the owner said ride it and see what u think.

    So when I compared the measurements etc it is almost like whatever size you think you need you need to get one larger, BUT the great thing is that IMHO one of the advantages of the TB is that I still have a shorter wheelbase and can cut corners better than the other guys with smaller bikes/frames from the other bikes I considered! and the price is not that bad when u consider YOU ARE GETTING A FULL CARBON FRAME! Look at the prices the EPIC UNLESS you get a S-Works has an Alum rear triangle! So, I am patient enough and low on $$$ but can have one of the "best" frames with lower end components that will be right up there when the $$$ start rolling in better again....
    Agreed, the short chainstays are awesome, especially since its attached to 100mm of travel and not a HT. That combined with the weight is what led me to buy a non-turner for the first time in years and my first 29er as well. It just took me awhile to wrap my brain around stepping up to an XL frame. But like I said, its not as big as most XL's and there's no weight penalty so it was a good choice for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBO
    2. having to wait 2 weeks until it arrives
    Two weeks is great, I waited three MONTHS this summer for my XL! Today, my LBS owner mentioned that SC had caught-up with demand and that sounds to be the case. He said they have frames but are more challenged getting all components in stock at the same time for the complete bikes.

    Quote Originally Posted by cale399
    After comparing the frames side by side but only getting to ride the large I went xl. I'm 6'2" and the large just felt too cramped
    6'1" here riding an XL. Agreed you almost need to move-up one size with SC.
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    I'm 6'0 and I went for a large...I hope its going to be ok when it arrives...

    Bike will have a 120mm fork and I do like to sit a bit more upright so hopefully I can play around with the stem and get it right for me...

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    You'll probably be fine. There's no hard and fast rule here.

    I'm 6'2" with short legs/long torso. I ride a large TallBoy with a 90 mm stem. Fits me like a glove.

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    thanks Leon...was getting a bit nervous!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBO
    I'm 6'0 and I went for a large...I hope its going to be ok when it arrives...

    Bike will have a 120mm fork and I do like to sit a bit more upright so hopefully I can play around with the stem and get it right for me...
    My teammate is about 6'0/6'1 and is on the large. He bumped the stem to 110mm and it fits him very well.

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    I just ordered my Tallboy from Colorado Cyclist.

    I got a black large frame. I'm a bit over 6', but a bit long in the torso. I haven't been able to find a large anywhere and have only been able to ride an M and an XL. The M was way too small. The XL felt pretty good. Hopefully it'll work out.

    I specced it with...
    XT 10-spd
    TALAS
    Haven Carbon wheels
    Thomson X4/Masterpiece
    Enve bar

    All that only cost about $550 more than the standard SPX kit, which is approaching what I would've paid in tax if I had bought locally.

    The fork, wheels, and frame are all backordered!

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    Quote Originally Posted by funkydrum
    Two weeks is great, I waited three MONTHS this summer for my XL! Today, my LBS owner mentioned that SC had caught-up with demand and that sounds to be the case. He said they have frames but are more challenged getting all components in stock at the same time for the complete bikes.



    6'1" here riding an XL. Agreed you almost need to move-up one size with SC.
    Delayed gratification is the worst. I saw a Speedgoat ad that showed they had it in stock... ordered it that day, had it the next day since I live within 1 day shipping by UPS (or at least I did before they moved to Chicago).

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    My Tallboy (Passerby)

    Tallboy Med Blk w/ Rockshox RT3
    Roval Control EL Wheels DT Swiss 36T Mod.
    Maxxis Ikon 2.2 EXO Front/Rear setup tubeless
    Rockshox Reba Team 120 Tapered 20 T/A
    Cane Creek 110 Tapered
    SRAM X9 2x10 Shifters
    SRAM X9 2x10 Fr. Derailleur
    SRAM XO 2x10 R. Derailleur Med. Cage (Red)
    SRAM S-2200 (XO) 2x10 Crank 38T/24T w/ Carbon Bash (Red)
    SRAM PC-1091R Chain 10 Speed
    SRAM XX 11-36 Cassette
    Bontrager XXX Lite Carbon 31.8 90mm 12deg. Stem w/ Carbon spacers
    Truvativ Noir WCS Carbon 31.8 Low Rise Bars
    Crank Bros. XC foam lock-on grips
    Hayes Stroker Gram Carbon brakes w/ Ti. hardware
    Alligator Serration 160mm rotors
    Easton EC90 Zero Carbon Seatpost
    Fizik Aliante Gamma XM K:ium Saddle
    Shimano XT Pedals
    Jagwire Ripcord Shifter housing (Red)
    Crankskins frame protection kit 20mil
    Specialized Cages (Red)

    I don't know the weight...I imagine around 25lb. w/ pedals, cages, computer and trinket thingy under the seat :P It could be even closer to 24lb....need to weigh it.
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    Not a negative here because i'll be on a Tallboy soon enough. But is it me or do all tallboys look the same apart from orange or black.
    Why are there so many threads about cheap ass bikes?

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    Well there is only two colors, and the majority of components are black in color so its going to be small details that are going to differ from one bike to the next. Also if you buy a build kit, it definitely will...but thats the same with every bike except for a handful that have custom color options. Then you also have companies like Specialized where the color signifies the model. An expert doesn't have the same color scheme as the S-Works or Comp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gnriden
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    what saddle is that you got there?
    looks good want one

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    24 pounds of carbon bliss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtyjack
    24 pounds of carbon bliss.

    What size frame is that and are you running a 120mm fork?
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    Mine just arrived! Just need a headset to get riding.

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    photos crisco, photos!

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    Where did he get that bike rack? I've been looking for something like that for ages...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbaturo
    Where did he get that bike rack? I've been looking for something like that for ages...
    You talking about the wall thing? It looks like it hangs the bike by the pedal . . . very cool. No idea where they come from though, but try checking some Euro sites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbaturo
    Where did he get that bike rack? I've been looking for something like that for ages...
    http://www.bike-mailorder.de/shop/MT...ng::17055.html

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    Thanks!

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    Question for you, I noticed that majority of TB are set up with ZTR wheels.
    What wheels would you recommend in place for the stock: Mavic TN 719 disc rims laced to Chub 15mm front hub and DT 240S rear hub w/ DT 14/15 guage spokes, alloy nipples.
    Let me know your thoughts about durable and light wheel for 160lbs rider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neehooya
    Question for you, I noticed that majority of TB are set up with ZTR wheels.
    What wheels would you recommend in place for the stock: Mavic TN 719 disc rims laced to Chub 15mm front hub and DT 240S rear hub w/ DT 14/15 guage spokes, alloy nipples.
    Let me know your thoughts about durable and light wheel for 160lbs rider.

    Depends on whether you wanna run tubeless or not.

    I have been pretty happy with my Velocity Blunts.
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    Yes I forgot to mention that I prefer tubeless

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    Neehooya, I think a lot of people are using the Stan's wheels on their buggies since they are fairly reasonable for a complete wheelset. I've also had really good luck with my Hope Pro II's laced to Flows on my single speed.

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    here is an update all though a small one, added FSA OS-99 and one ghetto one the front, so she sits at 26.6lbs. Tomorrow I'll do the rear and change the front tire, so then she should be right at 26 lbs, hope she comes in at 25.99 just for the mental side of things


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    also thinking about putting a XX front derl on, what type do I need to order?

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    Here is the new pride and joy that I've just about finished building up - just some grips and a straighter seat position needed!

    All comments welcome


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    My bike Large black Tallboy arrived. It has...


    XT 10-spd
    TALAS Fork
    RP23 shock
    Haven Carbon wheels
    Thomson X4/Masterpiece post
    Niner bar
    Laser V SLT saddle
    Shimano SPD pedals, XT
    180 mm front rotor
    Chris King headset
    Rampage front tire, Ignitor rear

    So...I threw it on the scales, and it was....


    ...slightly disappointing at 26.56 lbs without pedals, 27.31 with.

    The tubes are .5 pounds each, so it'll help to go tubeless, but I couldn't seat the tires with a handpump (for some reason, the valve cores aren't removable). Removing the tubes and adding 8 oz of sealant will save 1/2 a pound.


    I could save ~100 grams with a lighter front tire, and probably save some more with egg beaters, although I'm partial to Shimano. It also has the more normal looking Eargon grips, which are lock-on, so there's a potential few oz of savings, too. Other than that, any additional weight savings would involve replacing very expensive parts like the XT crankset, or going to a smaller front rotor. Add on a few more oz for a computer, a little protective tape, trail bell, etc. and it'll be right around 27.

    I mean, there are no stupid-light parts on the whole bike...but I thought I'd have a little more distance from the SPX kit, which is about 27.7 lbs with pedals and paint.

    I put some protective tape on the top tube and around the head tube, but that didn't turn out so well. Glossy, and tons of teeny tiny bubbles.

    So, although the weight isn't quite what I'd hoped for, this is one sweet machine! Can't weight to ride (unfortunately it'll be 10 degrees tomorrow)
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    @dam,
    Use short pieces of black electrical tape where your cables rub against your frame and other parts where cables come in contact with things, it worked good for me and it is hiden pretty well.

    My Tallboy with med frame and complete XT components, Easton EC 70 carbon flat bar, GA-1 Ergon grips, Shimano pedals, Stans Flow rims, CK wheels, Crossmark tires, RS XX fr shock with remote lockout, Thomson set back seat post, weighs in at 27.0 lbs. This is one nice riding bike!

    I have been keeping a nice trail open by my house keeping the snow packed down enough to ride. Some days things go better than others but this bike works really well in the snow. You may be suprised how warm you actualy keep in 10 deg weather? This is my first winter riding any bicycle, and I am loving it. The snow melts off and it is clean again, no mud, give it a try you might like it!

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    I used a frameskin to protect my tallboy frame, forks and cranks - $95 for the whole bike.
    Couple of small air bubbles but hardly noticeable on a black bike!
    Google 'frameskin' and have a look.
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    Quote Originally Posted by @dam
    My bike Large black Tallboy arrived. It has...


    So...I threw it on the scales, and it was....


    ...slightly disappointing at 26.56 lbs without pedals, 27.31 with.

    So, although the weight isn't quite what I'd hoped for, this is one sweet machine! Can't weight to ride (unfortunately it'll be 10 degrees tomorrow)
    That is a bit surprising. Getting to the lower weights is an exercise in applying sometimes very marginal weight saves across large numbers of components though, and you really don't have much of anything weight weenie on that build except the frame. (edit: and masterpiece post - nice)

    Would like to see a picture of the wheels on the bike -not sure I've seen a tallboy with those yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RWGreen

    Would like to see a picture of the wheels on the bike -not sure I've seen a tallboy with those yet.
    Here 'ya go- straight out of the box. That's the Douglas Booty Luv Ti saddle. It's was only $25, but I already replaced it with a Laser V Ti SLT I had lying around on. Same weight...a bit more padded. I plan on putting the Douglas on my road bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bizman
    @dam,
    Use short pieces of black electrical tape where your cables rub against your frame and other parts where cables come in contact with things, it worked good for me and it is hiden pretty well.

    My Tallboy with med frame and complete XT components, Easton EC 70 carbon flat bar, GA-1 Ergon grips, Shimano pedals, Stans Flow rims, CK wheels, Crossmark tires, RS XX fr shock with remote lockout, Thomson set back seat post, weighs in at 27.0 lbs. This is one nice riding bike!
    The electric tape for cable rub is a good idea. I'm looking for fuller coverage though- when I ride with my friends, a lot of times we have a ton of bikes lined up in the back of a truck, rubbing against each other the whole way. How does the carbon finish look after scratches & rub? Better than the paint, I imagine.

    You have a lighter fork and tires, I have lighter wheels and a few other small parts (seatpost, probably stem), so I guess it makes sense our bikes are both about 27.

    BTW- my grips are the Ergon GA1 Leichtbau Grip. Kinda porky at 150 grams. If I go foamie, I can save about 120 grams, or about 1/4 pound.


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    I would advise protecting both sides of the lower swing arm. Before doing my left side I banged it up a little while wrecking on some rocks. As far as scratches I don't really have any?

    I have banged it off a tree stump with the seat tube with no marks, got tangled up in a small bush after coming off a steep power line trail flipping the bike and going over the handlebars, not a scratch (on the bike that is, hehehe). The carbon seems to be very durable so far other than tangleing with rocks, but I don't think many metal frames will go mark free either. I am loving this carbon frame!

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    Quote Originally Posted by @dam
    So...I threw it on the scales, and it was....

    ...slightly disappointing at 26.56 lbs without pedals, 27.31 with.
    27.26 with XT pedals, dropper post, downtube guards, computer, 180 front rotor, non carbon Havens.......

    and tires as thin as a condom. Love those carbon Havens!!



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    Diggin' the "General Lee"............

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    man- how do you match my weight with all that extra gear + paint, killjoyken? The only thing I see lighter on yours is the 1/2 pound lighter tires (total) and the missing big ring. But, my seatpost alone is a pound lighter. I don't get it.

    Oh yeah- I just set it up tubeless and now it's 26.68 lbs, so that saved 2/3 pound.

    Cool bike BTW. I also have a dropper post I'll put on when I hit the more dicy trails. How'd you do that downtube protector.

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    I've got a few other things that are lighter, but it doesn't seem like enough to make up for the command post. My cranks are a little lighter, I've got Haven carbon bars and my Formula K24s are lighter than XTs....and grips....that's all I can think of. Those carbon Haven wheels are 200g lighter than mine, but your front tire is about 250g heavier. I have no idea...

    As for the lower guard, it's just some 1/8" delrin scrap with 2 holes drilled in it. I used a heatgun to mold it over a pipe, and some thick foam weatherstripping for padding over the bb. I've heard some nasty impacts from rocks and sticks and it seems to be holding up just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD33
    Diggin' the "General Lee"............

    Thanks! It was the first thing that popped into my head the first time I saw the orange. The second thing that popped into my head was, "where can I get a bike horn that plays Dixie?"
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    After looking at some of these builds with carbon wheels bars and cranks, paper thin tires. I am afraid my rig is going to be at least 28-29 lbs.... That's still 5lbs lighter that my last suspension bike. I need to just get it together and find out I guess. I was kind of hoping to get my wheels re-laced to stans rims before I put it together and wait for a king BB,, but maybe today I will get started

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    OK- here we go...maiden voyage. Just a quick 14 mile back-door ride in the foothills.

    Awesome! So nice to be on my first new bike since 2003. Man...there were a few snowy sections...no problem. There's this one quick switchback with a rocky step that I never make on my Blur. No problem. It's better than my Blur in every way but two...

    1) It needs a 22T granny for the mountain riding this summer
    2) Not quite as plush feeling. This is probably as much due to the fox shock (have a swinger on the Blur) as the 15 mm less travel. I wish, instead of propedal, I could play with the compression damping a bit. I don't see me ever using propedal anywhere but the road...maybe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by @dam
    man- how do you match my weight with all that extra gear + paint, killjoyken? The only thing I see lighter on yours is the 1/2 pound lighter tires (total) and the missing big ring. But, my seatpost alone is a pound lighter. I don't get it.

    Oh yeah- I just set it up tubeless and now it's 26.68 lbs, so that saved 2/3 pound.

    Cool bike BTW. I also have a dropper post I'll put on when I hit the more dicy trails. How'd you do that downtube protector.

    - Your Bar, Grips, Stem, Headset, Seat, Brakes, Tires, Fork and Cranks are all heavier.
    In 1 pic your pedals are equal but the other pic he posted has platforms.... + a couple grams.

    Just RIDE it and enjoy!

    Edit: Your bike looks really nice @dam, enjoy it brutha!!

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    will a racing ralph 2.4 fit on the back of a tallboy?
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    Holy cr*p, those Easton wheels are cooooooooooool. Übergeil my german friends would say...

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    Nice!

    Criscokid, nice build. That is very similar to how I'm building mine up. 1x10, chainguide, short stem, and 120 fork. What does yours weigh? It looks like a great trail bike set-up.

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    A little on the heftier side around here. 28.7lbs. Has tubes and RF Atlas cranks. Both of those will change eventually.

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    Here is what my new Tallboy looks like until UPS get here on Friday. Placed my order at Colorado Cyclist for a Med orange frame with a Fox 100 fork, Hope hubs, Stans 355 Rims, full XO 2x10 kit, Niner carbon flat bar, easton stem and masterpiece post. This will be my first 29'r and first dual suspention bike all in one. Comming off a 14 year old Kestrel CSX that has had more than a few parts kits on it over the years but still a great ride.
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    Damn- that's a fantastic price for all that. Should be light.

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    I think that price includes everything but the fork. Add in the fork and it falls in line with most other shops. As the poster mentioned a 100mm Fox fork in the build, I'm assuming he is aware of this and not getting any costly surprises on Friday. Anyway, good luck with it! My orange Tallboy is due for delivery 3/15 (from the shop,not SC) Four... more... weeks.... wait ... is.... excruciating! But well worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by @dam
    Damn- that's a fantastic price for all that. Should be light.
    The price listed is the base, the fox 100 fork is about $600 more as they give you a good deal with the bike and then I added a few upgrades on the bar, post and spokes. I found it to be a good deal from what I shopped at other places and I have done business with CC for many many years. I much rather would have spent my money and even a bit more at a LBS but no one had the bikes, or they were the wrong size, or they said they were going to get them in in a few months or they just stood there with a dumb look on thier face as I stood in front of them with a pocket full of cash. You cant sell what you dont have so I went else where. There also is not a Santa Cruz dealer with 30 miles of me so free tune ups and support did not matter to me.

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    well here it is, quick cell phone pic. just out of the box from colorado cyclist. Med frame XO group, Hope hubs, 355 rims, Niner carbon bar, -10 deg Easton stem, tubeless wheels, Fox 100 fork, King headset. As soon as it stops raining this thing is getting dirty.
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    looking good!!! NICE SET UP!

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    Help me chose Tallboy colours: Orange or Matte Black?

    Help me choose...I'm about to order a Tallboy frame...

    Key question: Pro's and con's of Orange vs Matt Black.

    I've seen both colours in the shop; and like to hear other people's opinions of why they choose the colour and are they happy with it. Oh, I should mention that I have the option of building this bike up with a black Carbon lefty with white bonded crown/bridges

    Pro's for Black: More subtle, can be matched with other bling components; may fit the glossy black carbon Lefty fork better.
    Con's for Black: Matte colour is to dull, hard to keep clean...never liked / or had a black bike....

    Pro's for (bright) Orange: It's bright! It stands out (too much?), Unmistakably Santa Cruz.
    Con's for Orange: hard to match components colours, bit 'showy', Glossy colour doesn't really show the bling carbon frame underneath....looks bit like a kid's bike....? Does it match the Black Glossy carbon lefty?

    Your view? (no flames please)...Thx in advance!

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    Here's how I saw it: Orange is flashier and, IMHO, cooler looking...more fun. I think it looks better...for now. In a few years, it'll be chipped to hell and battered looking, while I think the black won't show it's age as much. You don't have a black chip or scratch surrounded by and contrasted with orange- it's just black-on-black. Also, you save a bit of weight with black. I think I read .2 pounds somewhere, but I'm not sure. Black might also be a touch more subtle for thieves...it doesn't stand out quite as much as a big-$ bike as something more flashy. That's just speculation though.

    So, I say Orange if you don't keep your bikes for many many years, or are very careful about not getting it scratched on the trail or in the car. Black if you keep your bike until the wheels fall off or are a total weight-weenie.

    I got the black. Matches my haven wheels, too.

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    I am havig the same orange vs black issue my self. Also going with a lefty on it either carbon(black) or alum(white) was leaning toward orange but now I am thinking black. Need to make mind up soon........Looks like 80% of tallboys are black, and 20 orange. be a follower or be the weird guy out......arrrggggg..

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    Quote Originally Posted by dapozer
    I am havig the same orange vs black issue my self. Also going with a lefty on it either carbon(black) or alum(white) was leaning toward orange but now I am thinking black. Need to make mind up soon........Looks like 80% of tallboys are black, and 20 orange. be a follower or be the weird guy out......arrrggggg..
    I went with orange because thats what was available in my size. I just came off a black bike and orange was a nice change. 2 rides in and there are some paint rub marks, small chips, but hey my new carbon cranks have a big ding in them too. No mater what color it is it is going to get messed up. Just ride and enjoy it. I didnt buy it to make money on resale of it so buy what you like and ride it till ya can or need to buy something else.

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    I went with the Black carbon.....but, was not thrilled with either color....most of my SC bikes in the past have been white. Black was the less of the 2 evils.

    The black is lighter than the orange.....black won't show scratches and chips like orange will....prefer the matte color vs. the glossy of the orange.

    Plus, I can't stand orange bikes.
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    Never realized that the Orange is paint. Thought it was an additional step in the carbon fiber curing process. So, if it is paint, can the frame be repainted, either new, or in a couple of years? BTW went with the Orange on mine. CFO who approved the purchase had some input.(Thanks Dear!). Happy w/ the choice. Colors/component matching not such an issue for me. LOVE the ride/Geometry!

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    I went with black because I thought it would blend in better with being in the woods, as well as being a touch lighter (27 lbs with pedals). So far it hasn't shown any scratches and I have been riding it almost everyday since I got it over 3 months ago. It does have a few dings on the lower left swing arm when I wrecked on some rocks (I have since put a guard on that section for protection). This is my first carbon bike, I like the nice smooth feel of the raw carbon finish, and can't say enough good about the bike, it rocks!

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    I think you have to love or hate the orange. It is a different orange in different lights, it changes a bit. Here are a few better pics of my new TB after 2 rides.
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    I just recieved TallBoy in black because I like to see the carbon fiber construction and its easier to find red or black parts and jerseys' to match it. The orange frame color is every bit as cool though and reminds me of the Schwinn Orange crate bikes back in the dawn of bike evolution. My brother and I got Schwinn Purple Crates one Xmas morning back when my grandparents were still around and lived in between Ben Lomond and Felton in the Santa Cruz Mountains off Highway 9 for 76 years . My grandmother was friends with Mary Wilder, owner of the Wilder Ranch Estate, before it was a State Park. Dotty and Mary would play cards together with all the gals in the local ladies club every week in the Brookdale Lodge and just get sh!+ faced. Riding my Santa Cruz in Santa Cruz will always feel like home and that great Xmas we had as kids back in the day.

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    This is my Tallboy whit custom decals...... and a new handlebar !!!











    Ok now is this my next upgrade i dremeled a old acid2 its 112 grms the cutted version but not finished yet



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    Lookin good Bill, yeah it would be hot in a 3rd color, the ginormous SC logo is kinda killin it for me but I still want one & am jealous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyP5
    My car rack broke sending Tallboy #1 crashing onto the highway at 60mph, here's almost-all-new #2:
    Thanks for posting. I'm assembling the parts to build an almost identical Tallboy, right now. (XL, XX, XXReba) It's cool to see what it would look like. I noticed you went from layback Thomson post to straight. Almost everyone else is running straight posts in this thread. Is the seat angle kick back enough that you don't need a layback post?

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    New question here. Pics of Tallboy with Lefty

    Before I pull the trigger on a Lefty fork, could someone please post some pics of a Tallboy with a lefty fork? Side view, too, pleeeease.

    Thx in advance.

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    pm catus jack. Mine won't be done for a coupe more weeks

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikespearo
    I think you have to love or hate the orange. It is a different orange in different lights, it changes a bit. Here are a few better pics of my new TB after 2 rides.
    beautiful !

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    I built this up last year for a few 100 milers. I love this bike. It now has ENVE wheels and a lot more dirt.
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    Sick buggy chpfly! Two questions, what size and is that a F29 120? It almost looks longer than a 120. My Tallboy is on order and I'm going to run it with a Talas 120.

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    Yes it is a 120. and a Large frame. I think it runs great with a 120 but I have not been on one with 100mm.

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    New question here. Frame protector for matte black Tallboy frame?

    Has anyone applied a clear frame protector skin/film/foil on their matte black tallboy? I'll be interested to hear how that stuff sticks and looks on a matte black frame (as it's glossy). I remember reading somewhere that the film doesn't stick that well to the matte black and air bubbles are showing....I'd actually prefer a more glossy look, but I guess the coverage is only partial.

    Please share your experience. Thank you in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Variateur
    Has anyone applied a clear frame protector skin/film/foil on their matte black tallboy? I'll be interested to hear how that stuff sticks and looks on a matte black frame (as it's glossy). I remember reading somewhere that the film doesn't stick that well to the matte black and air bubbles are showing....I'd actually prefer a more glossy look, but I guess the coverage is only partial.

    Please share your experience. Thank you in advance.
    I have. Some air bubbles but the bubbles are better than scratches. No issues and it is glossier... No problem sticking.
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    I have it on my black frame - no bubbles. I used helicopter tape. works great. I guess it looks a little glossy. I take a photo if you want one.

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    Yes please post or send some pics of the areas covered by the film.

    Thx in advance! Much appreciated!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Variateur
    Has anyone applied a clear frame protector skin/film/foil on their matte black tallboy? I'll be interested to hear how that stuff sticks and looks on a matte black frame (as it's glossy). I remember reading somewhere that the film doesn't stick that well to the matte black and air bubbles are showing....I'd actually prefer a more glossy look, but I guess the coverage is only partial.

    Please share your experience. Thank you in advance.
    I have a few 'wear strips' from my LBS in cable rub areas. They get tired and ratty after a while and I replace with new. I can't think I'd like big glossy slabs of plastic on the nice matte black frame, not to mention the big $$ expense....

    BTW, no need to always 'thank you in advance'...
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    Love it!

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    I use black electrical tape cut to size for all cable rub spots as it blends in well with the black. If it would get worn its cheap and easy to replace. I have only had to replace one piece (by the RP 23) after almost 4 months of regular daily riding.

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    Def - super nice buggy. I'm thinking ours are going to be almost twins. Black with haven wheels and 1x10 drivetrain. Very nice. What does it weigh in at? I'm going to run ardent 2.4's front and rear, so I'm thinking mines going to get porky. It should still be lighter than my heckler though.

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    Thanks!

    I think it's just a tad under or over 25 pounds. Cant recall.

    ... just checked, It's under.
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    Orange or Black ...Black or Orange..its all good,Carbon Santa-Cruzin . Get one in Black an den get won in Orange !

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    Tallboy - extra low BB = more pedal strikes?

    a) I took a Tallboy for a demo for a whole day but had frequent pedal strikes on semi rocky single track (not riding technique). Is this common with the Tallboy's low BB? Sag was adjusted at ~ 25%.

    Do you encounter more pedal strikes than normal, too?

    b) I had plans to put a LEFTY fork on this but have second thoughts as the Axle to Crown height on the LEFTY is approx 15 mm lower than standard Fox or RS 29'er forks, which would lower the BB even further (together with the extra plushness / sag of the LEFTY). Maybe I should stay with the 'normal' fork?

    Appreciate your thoughts.

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    Pedal strikes are quite common on rocky/technical trails. I think the bike more than makes up for it everywhere else. The trade off would be a bike with a higher bottom bracket and reduced cornering ability.

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    Well that sucks. Most of my interest about the bike was the so called awesome climbing ability in rocky tech terrain
    Climbing ain't easy
    when you're fat and greasy
    - 2 Bigsteve

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    The bike climbs better than most billy goats, and the bb is in a good spot. It only feels low if you're coming of off a bike with a high bb.

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    I have very limited time on the Tallboy, but I have one on order that should be here this week (crosses fingers). The bike climbs fantastically in my opinion. It is one of those things that after half a dozen rides you will learn what you can pedal through and what you may have to ratchet through. That being said, I really like a low bb. My single speed is sub 12" and I wouldn't have it any other way.

    If you can just throw a leg over one and see whatcha think.

    Cheers,
    Andy
    Disclaimer: I'm a fan-boi for Jenson USA.

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    Tallboy with new Carbon Rovals

    Rode Tallboy last year on Mavic C29 Crossmax. Only had a couple of rides around the block on the Roval's, anxiously waiting for our Michigan trails to get rideable.
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