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    Santa Cruz introduces new 27.5 Heckler


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    yikes, and the Blur XC & Blur LT are gone. 26 really is dead.

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    Yeah. Bikerumor writes:

    So whats left to 650B in their line-up? Just two of our favorite trail bikes the Nomad and Chameleon. The only other 26″ bikes in the stable are the V10 downhill bike, which just received a major update, and the dirt jump/pumptrack oriented Jackal. Since the Chameleon received a pretty major overhaul in November of last year, were really hoping for a new Nomad just in time for summer loving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markymark View Post
    yikes, and the Blur XC & Blur LT are gone. 26 really is dead.
    And the Superlight 26er

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    Quote Originally Posted by markymark View Post
    yikes, and the Blur XC & Blur LT are gone. 26 really is dead.
    They also removed the Superlight and moved the Tallboy LT back to the trailbike category.

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    Santa Cruz introduces new 27.5 Heckler-image.jpg

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    So I guess that's the remaining SC bike that some of the journos hinted was still to come after the Solo launch.

    The TB-LT back in the trail category means no TB TR. this year, I guess!

    Not only have the bikes all been re-categorised, but the kit options and pricing have changed. All of the red special kit prices are gone. The Bronson SPX Kit is now way more expensive than it was when the bike was released, for example. And there are now X0-1 kits listed.

    Given how quickly the web site seems to be changing these days, and how many mistakes have come and then been corrected, this could all change by Monday morning!

    I'm really beginning to wonder why they didn't just update and announce everything at the same time. Let people know exactly what their options were going to be. This slow dribble doesn't make much sense to me.

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    Glad to see the Heckler getting love, but I just got a 26" Heckler in Feb and would have been nice to know this was coming so I could have waited. Still, the RAM kit now cost $500 more which would have been out of my price range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WasteMindu View Post
    Glad to see the Heckler getting love, but I just got a 26" Heckler in Feb and would have been nice to know this was coming so I could have waited. Still, the RAM kit now cost $500 more which would have been out of my price range.
    I just bought a Superlight 29 a couple months ago and I'm glad I did...I got the RXC kit with the Fox 120 front fork and list price was 2450, now the RXC with same fork is like 2900. Better brakes it looks like but not sure what else is better and no way I could afford 2900.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegweed View Post
    I just bought a Superlight 29 a couple months ago and I'm glad I did...I got the RXC kit with the Fox 120 front fork and list price was 2450, now the RXC with same fork is like 2900. Better brakes it looks like but not sure what else is better and no way I could afford 2900.
    Me and a buddy both bought new bikes and I really wanted to get something with 27.5, but I decided on Heckler with hopes to rebuild in a few years with 27.5. As the frame could always take 27.5, I would just have to get a new fork, I think.

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    BAM!

    Love that turquoise Heckler.

    How about building one with a 160mm Fox 36 and 26inch wheels?

    That'd be a super low bb single pivot monster. Only the longer stays stink

    I might just do that...

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    Prices went up across the board with 2014 build kits. The Bronson SPX kit is $233 more today and There are now XO-1 Kits!

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    i wonder how much longer theyll keep the TRc around... seems rather redundant with the Solo and i cant imagine theyll be selling too many TRcs now that customers have the option to buy a Solo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mehukatti View Post
    Yeah. Bikerumor writes:
    Chameleon isn't on the site anymore

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    Quote Originally Posted by Znarf View Post
    BAM!

    Love that Club Tropicana Heckler.

    How about building one with a 160mm Fox 36 and 26inch wheels?

    That'd be a super low bb single pivot monster. Only the longer stays stink

    I might just do that...
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    Awesome! Now I own an antique!! Out of production = more valuable! (Right?!)
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    Right on!!!

    I think this is the coolest of the new models offered for several reasons. First, the Heckler is truly a legendary bike and was due for an update. I have always loved single pivot simplicity and durability thus the tradition continues. This geometry change for those who have not ridden a bike with it is the shiz. I rode a Kona Honzo last year that had the slack front end with a steep seat angle...it rips and I predicted that it would be on every AM/Enduro/Whatever-the-f*#k they are calling these bikes going forward. Nine months later, my predictions are validated.

    Second, the new Heckler runs the older shock length 8.5 X 2.5 standard. So for us old Nomad, Bullit, Heckler, Butcher, Nickel holdouts we can run whatever shock from our old bikes on it.

    Finally, Its a deal. You will not have to break the bank, get divorced or whatever to get in on the 650b Enduro thing.

    As it stands, I am thoroughly pleased with my Butcher and have zero intentions of replacing it anytime soon. However, this would be a worthy option if I opt not to shell out for the Bronson. It comes in a nice understated black too.
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    Nice!!! My buddy and I were just talking on how a 27.5 Heckler makes perfect sense and was wondering how long it would take them. I have been contemplating converting mine.

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    What are the specs on the build kits?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moefosho View Post
    What are the specs on the build kits?


    Should we hold your hand while we walk you to the website?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 123ski View Post
    Chameleon isn't on the site anymore
    It is now back

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    Just noticed that they adjusted the top tube length.

    Used to be 23.5/L and 24.5/XL

    Now 23/M. 24/L. 25/XL
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    Most likely so that you can run a 50-70mm stem comfortably. Also puts it closer to the length of the Nomad (and Bronson) which have alwasys felt longer than the Heckler/Butcher..etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 123ski View Post
    Most likely so that you can run a 50-70mm stem comfortably. Also puts it closer to the length of the Nomad (and Bronson) which have alwasys felt longer than the Heckler/Butcher..etc.

    I think it is great......that was my one complaint when I had my Heckler. The Large was a little too short, but the XL felt a little too big. Now it looks like they got it just right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikej View Post
    I think it is great......that was my one complaint when I had my Heckler. The Large was a little too short, but the XL felt a little too big. Now it looks like they got it just right.
    I agree. I upgraded from Medium Heckler (which always felt too cramped with a 50mm stem) to a Medium Nomad, which felt just right with a 50mm stem.

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    no news about a superlight 27.5 with 125 travel? a monopivot in the trailride catalog?

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    I thought SC was very smart for "bronsoning" the heckler and offering a good option in the 650b AM category at an affordable pricepoint. However, I also think they're up in the night if they're going to pass off a DEORE equipped bike for almost 3k! Particularly when last years D kit model could be had for under 2k.

    Come on guys. How much did you spend on that freaking building?
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    But the DEORE stuff works great. The disc brakes are really, really good and it even has a clutch derailleur. Better than x.7 by far.

    X.7 gets upgraded shifters this year as well though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Znarf View Post
    But the DEORE stuff works great. The disc brakes are really, really good and it even has a clutch derailleur. Better than x.7 by far.

    X.7 gets upgraded shifters this year as well though...

    I'm sure the upcoming revised deore group will work well, but it's still deore. Unless competitor's bikes are comparably equipped in that pricepoint, it's going to impact an educated buyers decision.

    Overall, i think the the 27.5 heckson is going to be a great bike, just a bit under-equipped.
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    I'm actually a little sad at the turn they are heading. Dropping all 26 inch bikes, and having crazy prices just because they are 27inch? The Koolaid manufacturing is overflowing in SC headquarters...

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    Any word on a frame only? Price?

    I am perfectly happy with my Nickel for now, but if I ever move back to the mountains hawt dayum this would sweet!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmscheip View Post
    Any word on a frame only? Price?

    I am perfectly happy with my Nickel for now, but if I ever move back to the mountains hawt dayum this would sweet!!!
    Website says $1299.
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    Yowzers...must have missed that on their site. Hasn't that frame been $1049 for years now?

    Still a great deal compared to comparable frames I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmscheip View Post
    Yowzers...must have missed that on their site. Hasn't that frame been $1049 for years now?

    Still a great deal compared to comparable frames I suppose.
    I think it was less than $1100.00 before, but looks like that has changed. All in all, the frame is still a pretty good deal considering what you're getting. I would imagine they are still working some of the R&D costs through the heckler. Just last year it was "butchered" and now it has been "bronsoned".
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    Part of it might be to clear out the older inventory. Given the changes made, they need to sell the 26" frames and bikes. Few people will buy them if the new models are close to the same price.

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    If only I can talk myself into it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainbiker24 View Post
    Part of it might be to clear out the older inventory. Given the changes made, they need to sell the 26" frames and bikes. Few people will buy them if the new models are close to the same price.
    Fair idea, but they've got the V7 Hecklers on the VPLS right now for $550 so that should clear out a lot of their inventory.

    I still agree the Heckler is a helluva deal, just was bummed to see the $150 bump in price. Don't pay attention to me though, I am just an internet complainer that wishes I could be out riding my bike right now :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by daves4mtb View Post
    I'm kind of going back and forth between it, the Bronson, and the Turner Burner.
    I have my eyes on the Solo.

    I like my '12 SuperLight29 a lot, but it feels big even after a custom fitting.

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    Re: Santa Cruz introduces new 27.5 Heckler

    Quote Originally Posted by cmscheip View Post
    Fair idea, but they've got the V7 Hecklers on the VPLS right now for $550 so that should clear out a lot of their inventory.

    I still agree the Heckler is a helluva deal, just was bummed to see the $150 bump in price. Don't pay attention to me though, I am just an internet complainer that wishes I could be out riding my bike right now :P
    I don't see any V7 Hecklers on sale, only V6.1...

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    I think the $1299 includes a DT RWS hub.. From F.A.Q. on Santa Cruz site "The Heckler uses a 142x12 rear hub, and includes a DT RWS with the frame"

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCal380 View Post
    I think the $1299 includes a DT RWS hub.. From F.A.Q. on Santa Cruz site "The Heckler uses a 142x12 rear hub, and includes a DT RWS with the frame"
    I believe that stands for "rear wheel skewer" and does not include a hub.
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    Yeah, just the axle itself.

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    when are these going to be available? anyone ridden one yet?

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    Santa Cruz introduces new 27.5 Heckler

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    Cambria bike has them now available, Santa Cruz Heckler R AM 27.5 Kit (100127539) at CambriaBike.com
    The R AM kit is $3k and the D AM kit is $2.6k, I am debating frame or one the kits.
    But as far as I can see they do not list the fork model on the two builds.

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    The fork on the RAM kit is a RS Sektor Gold. IMO the Fox 34 fork in the next kit up is worth the extra $400.

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    got the frame last month,been ordering parts online since. took everything to my mechanic friend to put it together last night, when I found out I ordered wrong size tapered headset Will have to wait another week to ride, very excited anyway.

    edit: hopefully my bike mechanic assembly skills are better than my photo attaching skills but you get the idea
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    Cool, I just do not think that I am in the mood to build a bike right now.

    So I went to the lbs today to test the waters how much room to haggle there is and without asking he knocked already 10 % off the $3k model.

    Good for me that they did not have the right color in my size.


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    This makes me want to ride.
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    Anyone been riding one yet? What do you think of the 439mm long chain stays? Longest of all the 150-160mm bikes I've been eyeing... Next closest is the Foes at 434, then a bunch at 432 and the lowest the Process at 425 (but with a crazy long wheelbase overall)

    The Norco Range seems the best balance 427 CS with 1149 WB... But I love the simplicity of the Heckler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chico Walnut View Post
    got the frame last month
    Quick question for you, where are the 2 sets of water bottle cage mounts? I notice one under the downtube, but can't see the other in any photos online.

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    just one set of cage mounts!

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    Ah, so the Santa Cruz Website Lies!!!!

    Thanks!

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    no bottle opener either, (upgrading from 2004 Heckler)

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    Quote Originally Posted by geraldooka View Post
    Anyone been riding one yet? What do you think of the 439mm long chain stays? Longest of all the 150-160mm bikes I've been eyeing... Next closest is the Foes at 434, then a bunch at 432 and the lowest the Process at 425 (but with a crazy long wheelbase overall)

    The Norco Range seems the best balance 427 CS with 1149 WB... But I love the simplicity of the Heckler.
    I'm with you on the advantage of short CS and WB with WB being the most noticeable to the rider. But as far as chain stay, don't think anybody could feel the diff between 439 vs 432. 15-20mm in wheel base probably.

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    Just brought this home last night, looking forward to trail riding this weekend: xx1 group(used) WTB I23 rims with white industry hubs, chris king head set, haven stem/seatpost, XT brakes. bathroom scale says 27.5lbs
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    Sweeeet looking heckler! Let us know how it rides! I am very interested in trying one out.

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    @Chico I'd be real interested in knowing how it rides with the xx1 as well. Is that the 28t up front? I have a new Heckler on the way and am wanting to go 1x but unsure of the little ring and pedal bob.

    @Bac Doc I decided wheelbase trumped cs. By contrast the Heckler had one of the shortest wheel bases which for me is a positive for the vast majority of my riding.

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    I could not wait anymore and got a black Heckler with the R AM kit, just went just on a short ride so far but on the weekend it will be put to test in the mountains.

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    Finally got it out this weekend, impressions:

    disclaimer, I'm comparing this to my previous bike, 2004 Heckler.

    surprised how nimble but at same time stable is felt. Ride was a combination of long climbs, rolling for most part/choppy downhills. Made one particular long climb that has always stymied me in past, was in lowest gear possible, could not feel any pedal bob, but at the time it felt like my head was about to burst, so take that for what it is. Cockpit area felt compact to me, almost bmx like,in a good way. Everything on bike felt so good working together. I let air out of tires(1st time with tubeless), 2nd part of ride, ride improved (was not bad at all before). It short, to me this is an amazing bike.
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    His and Her's have arrived!

    Literally took them off the car rack... No pedals or set-up yet.
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    These run about $3k with that fork right? Was trying to decide between this and the bronson...

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    Just got back from my LBS and almost pulled the trigger but couldn't decide which color. I was all set for a black one (Had a black 04 Heckler), but then saw the Blue in person. It's really unique in a good way. I told them I need some time to decide and glad they did not push me. But they would honor the price agreed till this weekend. Why did you guys choose your color? Also, would it be better to build up a frame? Not happy with some of the parts on the kit.

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    Yup 3K. The blue is awesome, if the wife wanted black I would have happily taken blue. Considering she green lighted the purchase I wasn't arguing the colour... ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by geraldooka View Post
    Yup 3K. The blue is awesome, if the wire wanted black I would have happily taken blue. Considering she green lighted the purchase I wasn't arguing the colour... ;-)
    Bet she won't like being called a "wire", My "wire" wanted an orange solo/5010 and wanted matching bikes. Probably the first time I've every agreed to the Twinsy look; it's worth it!

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    I'm really interested in the new Heckler as my first full fs bike. Can anyone help me with the sizing as I've read SC bikes run small? I'm only 5'6, 150lbs so I fall between the small and medium.

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    According to SC website, 5'5" is the split between small and medium, so you fall in medium. The reach measurement for a size small is 14.7", size medium is 15.8 ". Do you know the reach on your current ride or any other bikes that you have owned in the past? Reach is one of the better way to compare bike sizes between brands.

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    Re: Santa Cruz introduces new 27.5 Heckler

    Even now the Heckler runs smallish. SC bikes don't have the so called newer generation short stayed long ett to accommodate a short stem geo.

    I would measure your current ride assuming your happy with it and use that as a guide. Failing that test ride some bikes with similar geo if not the Heckler itself on trails during a demo day if possible.

    I'm 5'7 and change and find the reach a bit tight on the medium heckler. Despite that I think with a slightly wider and straighter bar I can bring the stem back to a 60mms from the 70mms I ordered it with. I have a hunch the medium would be a better fit for you...


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    How do you measure for reach as I can't find the dimensions for my current bike? My current bike is considered a small, 15 inch seat tube and top tube length is 22.2 inches and I'm running a100mm stem. The small Heckler has a 16 inch seat tube with a 21.8 top tube. A medium Heckler had a 17 inch seat tube and a 23 inch top tube. My thought is to go with the medium and run a shorter stem as stand over height is the same on a small and medium. Or is there something else I should be considering? Demos are out of the question as no one near me stocks them.

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    To measure reach, use a string with a weight tied to it. Line the string up with the center of the bottom bracket. Then measure from string to top of headtube centerline. See this diagram: Reach and stack based sizing for mountain bikes - Pinkbike

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    I am 6'1" with a 32" inseam and feel very comfy on my x-large heckler if anything it feels big but I am coming from a large 03 Specialized Enduro which was to small for me.

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    Thanks! I'll try measuring for reach today. Seems like a logical way to approach sizing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dmarzano View Post
    I'm really interested in the new Heckler as my first full fs bike. Can anyone help me with the sizing as I've read SC bikes run small? I'm only 5'6, 150lbs so I fall between the small and medium.
    5'6:/140 lbs here.

    I use to ride small size bikes but when I moved to trail riding/bikes, I don't look at the seat tube length anymore. I look at the TT. I like running 50mm stem and with 23" TT with at least 720mm bars, it's perfect fit for me! The stand over difference is .5", 28.3" for small & 28.8" for medium. I have 30" inseam so I'm good there.

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    Sooo looking for some feedback. Is the $3,000 kit really worth the $400?

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    That would be hard to answer without one of each. I believe the higher spec kit is lighter anything to help decrease weight without sacrificing strength is good in my book.


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    Nevermind! Found it

    DAM
    REAR DER: Shimano M615 SGS (Deore)
    FRONT DER: Shimano M611 or 610 (Deore)
    SHIFTERS: Shimano M610 (Deore)
    CRANKSET: Shimano M610 24/32/42 (Deore) 10spd
    BOTTOM BRACKET:
    CASSETTE: Shimano HG62 11-36
    CHAIN: KMC X10 10spd
    BRAKES: Avid Elixir 1 w/ 180mm front and 160mm rear rotor
    BARS: Raceface RIde low riser 710mm
    STEM: Raceface Ride 70mm or 80mm
    GRIPS: Lizard Skin 494
    HEADSET: Cane Creek 10
    SEAT POST: Raceface Ride 30.9x375mm
    SADDLE: WTB Volt Sport
    WHEELS: WTB ST i23 TCS rims laced to SRAM MTH716 15mm front hub and SRAM MTH 746 rear hub w/ DT 14 gauge spokes, brass nipples
    TIRES: Maxxis High Roller 2 2.3 EXO Tubeless Ready Kevlar
    TUBES: Stans Sealant

    RAM
    REAR DER: Shimano M675 SGS (SLX) Shadow Plus
    FRONT DER: Shimano M611 or 610 (Deore)
    SHIFTERS: Shimano M660 (SLX) 10spd
    CRANKSET: Shimano M610 24/32/42 (Deore) 10spd
    BOTTOM BRACKET:
    CASSETTE: Shimano HG 81, 11-36 (SLX) 10spd
    CHAIN: Shimano HG 75 10spd
    BRAKES: Shimano M615 (Deore) w/ 160mm rear/180mm front rotors
    BARS: Raceface RIde low riser 710mm
    STEM: Raceface Ride 70mm or 80mm
    GRIPS: Lizard Skin 494
    HEADSET: Cane Creek 10
    SEAT POST: Raceface Ride 30.9x375mm
    SADDLE: WTB Volt Race
    WHEELS: WTB ST i23 TCS rims laced to SRAM MTH716 15mm front hub and SRAM MTH 746 rear hub w/ DT 14 gauge spokes, brass nipples
    TIRES: Maxxis High Roller 2 2.3 EXO Tubeless Ready Kevlar
    TUBES: Stans Sealant

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    Your question is a good one. Is it worth an extra 400 bucks? looks like an upgrade on the derailleur, cassette and brakes. Same wheels, headset, bars and stem, crank and other drivetrain components. You might be better off buying the lower end group and using the 400 bucks for your own choice upgrades.

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    Santa Cruz introduces new 27.5 Heckler

    That doesn't list the shock models. But given that list alone I wouldn't think twice about it. The 400 is worth it for sure. That's probably why I couldn't recall what the lower kit had... ;-) Now that I have converted to 1x10, installed the reverb and dialled in the cockpit with a short stem and wide bars I'm seriously diggin this ride.


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    According to the specs the D AM has a Rockshox Sektor Gold RL 150 in the front while the R AM has the Fox 34 Float CTD O/C 150, the shock seems to be the same.

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