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    I have an Elevensix on the HT at the moment and love it - it really is as transforming as everyone says. I also have an X2 on the way to try out so will report back!


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    Quote Originally Posted by tuckerjt07 View Post
    I, especially with the possibility of getting a new link, just wish there was a shock where the user could change travel as easily as some forks allow.

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    New link isn't a guarantee. I wouldn't get too hung up on that.


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    Santa Cruz Hightower

    Anyone else obsess about their cable tidiness?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LCBooger View Post
    New link isn't a guarantee. I wouldn't get too hung up on that.


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    Doesn't matter, that's optimal but a readily available offset will serve the purpose if no new link.

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    Sorry of I missed it, but has anyone actually ridden with a M/M tune shock?
    After reading though a lot of this tread, and searching various key words, I couldn't find anyone who did.

    I did see a few people complain about "bad shocks" though, so that may be my issue?

    Situation is...215lbs + gear and I have to inflate to 285+ psi go even get close to 30% sag and then the shock feels like crap (super stiff) when it gets moving. Small bump is decent, but not impressive and I do get frequent pedal strikes.

    Im going to order a RC3 plus anyway, and then send the RT in for warranty, but what about L/L vs M/M tunes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by robnow View Post
    Yeah SDMTBer, was just perusing through the Switchblade thread and noticed you are coming off the SB on to the HT. Curious on your reasons for change. Did you consider the 5.5 as well?
    I don't have a Pivot SB but that was in the running. In the end I didn't want the 157 hub and wanted to go a new direction as I have had a number of Pivots. Very happy with my choice but something about the HT isn't giving me the same traction on steep loose climbs. Strange because the STA is steeper than the 429 Trail. I don't have my oval ring on yet so maybe that is part of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    But your avatar...

    Still have two Pivots - 2017 Firebird and 2016 429 Trail

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    Quote Originally Posted by SDMTB'er View Post
    I don't have a Pivot SB but that was in the running. In the end I didn't want the 157 hub and wanted to go a new direction as I have had a number of Pivots. Very happy with my choice but something about the HT isn't giving me the same traction on steep loose climbs. Strange because the STA is steeper than the 429 Trail. I don't have my oval ring on yet so maybe that is part of it.
    Ovals help. But from reading a ton of posts, it seems the bike does better w/ a better rear shock. The X2 is fantastic, but limited to ppl weighing around 220 and less...because of its 250 psi max.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SDMTB'er View Post
    I don't have a Pivot SB but that was in the running. In the end I didn't want the 157 hub and wanted to go a new direction as I have had a number of Pivots. Very happy with my choice but something about the HT isn't giving me the same traction on steep loose climbs. Strange because the STA is steeper than the 429 Trail. I don't have my oval ring on yet so maybe that is part of it.
    My first 3 rides without oval ring compared to now with oval ring makes hell lot of difference. Think the stock shock affects the descent more than climb. Looking to get X2 soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LCBooger View Post
    New link isn't a guarantee. I wouldn't get too hung up on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Ovals help. But from reading a ton of posts, it seems the bike does better w/ a better rear shock. The X2 is fantastic, but limited to ppl weighing around 220 and less...because of its 250 psi max.
    I can second Pau11y's x2 experience. Traction on techy, rocky climbs got much better when I got my x2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Ovals help. But from reading a ton of posts, it seems the bike does better w/ a better rear shock. The X2 is fantastic, but limited to ppl weighing around 220 and less...because of its 250 psi max.
    What do you recommend rear shock wise for the 220+ crowd?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whiptastic View Post
    What do you recommend rear shock wise for the 220+ crowd?
    DHX2. I think coils will work better w/ bigger riders. If you want ramp up control, something like a X-Fusion HLR coil also works well. I've tried on on the HT and it feels fine. And with ovals, you won't have too much pedal bob.

    Or, if you want to stick w/ air, CCDBaCS? I've also seen someone on here w/ a Vivid Air.
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    For HT shocks you really want an EVOL or debonair. They play well on VPP.

    Long shocked the HT is a beast. I have a DBair that ive run and its planted. I ended up with an X2, but that may change b/c I just picked up an intense spider for a 275 - and I'm thinking of HT being an enduro beast and the Spider the play/jump bike.

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    Hightower, 1 year later

    It's been a year since I bought this bike. Still enjoy it! Over time changed a few items; carbon bar at 780mm, 35mm length stem, 26t chainring, XT ICE tech rotors. Went with a Roval carbon 29er wheelset and recently had Colorado Cyclist build a 27+ wheelset. Fork is still 140mm, just went with a 3.0 tire upfront. I prefer the bike in 29er mode, but the 27+ is a lot of fun. It really is like having 2 bikes in one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 25lbs&counting View Post
    It's been a year since I bought this bike. Still enjoy it! Over time changed a few items; carbon bar at 780mm, 35mm length stem, 26t chainring, XT ICE tech rotors. Went with a Roval carbon 29er wheelset and recently had Colorado Cyclist build a 27+ wheelset. Fork is still 140mm, just went with a 3.0 tire upfront. I prefer the bike in 29er mode, but the 27+ is a lot of fun. It really is like having 2 bikes in one.
    How was the bike handling in 27+ wheels with 140mm fork? Flip chip at high?


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    Quote Originally Posted by 25lbs&counting View Post
    It's been a year since I bought this bike. Still enjoy it! Over time changed a few items; carbon bar at 780mm, 35mm length stem, 26t chainring, XT ICE tech rotors. Went with a Roval carbon 29er wheelset and recently had Colorado Cyclist build a 27+ wheelset. Fork is still 140mm, just went with a 3.0 tire upfront. I prefer the bike in 29er mode, but the 27+ is a lot of fun. It really is like having 2 bikes in one.
    I rock Roval Traverse SL Fattie 29's too...They're great super wide and light

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    26t Chainring..?? Wow. Is that like Grannie on steroids? I've often thought of what it would be like to go from 30t to 28t but.....26t...??? Say it ain't so!
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    So I've finally decided on my latest and newest bike upgrade which most likely could be my last. After hours of reviews, research, questioning folks here, and demo's I finally pulled the trigger and ordered my new Santa Cruz HT C (Matte Carbon & Mint) in the 27.5+ mode. Riding those 2.8" tires over my current 3.0" was unlike anything Ive ever experienced. Not to mention going from a hardtail to FS! But the bike felt like BUTTER in my hands. It's getting a few extra "bells & whistles" added above the normal stock bike. After I pick it up on friday (crossing my fingers) I'll be sure to list what I'm adding. Nothing major. I appreciate all the great positive comments on all of your SC HT bikes here! It really helped make my decision much more easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldManBiker View Post
    So I've finally decided on my latest and newest bike upgrade which most likely could be my last. After hours of reviews, research, questioning folks here, and demo's I finally pulled the trigger and ordered my new Santa Cruz HT C (Matte Carbon & Mint) in the 27.5+ mode. Riding those 2.8" tires over my current 3.0" was unlike anything Ive ever experienced. Not to mention going from a hardtail to FS! But the bike felt like BUTTER in my hands. It's getting a few extra "bells & whistles" added above the normal stock bike. After I pick it up on friday (crossing my fingers) I'll be sure to list what I'm adding. Nothing major. I appreciate all the great positive comments on all of your SC HT bikes here! It really helped make my decision much more easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldManBiker View Post
    26t Chainring..?? Wow. Is that like Grannie on steroids? I've often thought of what it would be like to go from 30t to 28t but.....26t...??? Say it ain't so!
    With a 9-44 it works out to the same as Eagle on a 1x11


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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkr80015 View Post
    With a 9-44 it works out to the same as Eagle on a 1x11


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    Well 28 tooth with 9-46 1x11 would be closer, but the eThirteen TRS-r wasn't available when I did mine


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    Quote Originally Posted by OldManBiker View Post
    26t Chainring..?? Wow. Is that like Grannie on steroids? I've often thought of what it would be like to go from 30t to 28t but.....26t...??? Say it ain't so!
    Oh, and where do you ride? Some of us here ride at 7,000+ feet with super steep extended climbs and are middle aged and out of shape due to 6 months of snow on the ground. XC skiing can only do so much, and fat bikes aren't allowed in Yellowstone National Park nor does the snow level enable it. By the way it is the same as a 22-36 on a double


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    Thinking about some upgrades for my S build.

    Rear Shock
    Wheelset
    Drivetrain

    I've heard the DVO Topaz and some of the FOX EVOL stuff is good, but I think I could get a better experience out of the stock shock with some adjustment/tuning put in.

    The wheelset and hubs are probably going to be the most noticeable improvement. I'd really like to find a used ENVE wheelset with DT Swiss, Chris King or HOPE hubs. I've heard the the rear hub is pretty important when delivering power to the wheel. I've also heard light bicycle, ibis and those carbon roval hoops aren't too bad. I'm seeing some ENVE wheelsets M70 with DT Swiss 240s for ~$1700, not bad?

    The drivetrain would be cool to replace, but other than carbon cranks and faster shifting, I don't think it'd be a good way to spend $1k at this point. But I'd like an X01 Eagle setup.

    What do you guys think?
    What bike is that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbkr80015 View Post
    Oh, and where do you ride? Some of us here ride at 7,000+ feet with super steep extended climbs and are middle aged and out of shape due to 6 months of snow on the ground. XC skiing can only do so much, and fat bikes aren't allowed in Yellowstone National Park nor does the snow level enable it. By the way it is the same as a 22-36 on a double
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    How cool to ride Hightower like they did in NZ!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris9888 View Post
    How cool to ride Hightower like they did in NZ!

    https://youtu.be/N7AK1vl5FXk
    That's some proper fun, screw the race. They are killing it on 29ers. Looks just as fun when they ride 5010s.


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    Too funny!!!

    NZ Enduro Day 2: The Nydia Bay massacre ? Dirty Nomad

    "To try and distract myself from my own mental instability and catastrophizing, I resorted to EWS PRO Bike stalking, purely because the idea of watching the MTBR Hightower Forum regulars head’s exploding in a cloud of pink spray like they’re Marvin seated behind Vincent Vega holds massive appeal."

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    Quote Originally Posted by wytemike21 View Post
    I hope all 3,600 posts helped you out!

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    I'm not sure I follow your comment about the 3,600 posts as I only have a whopping 151. So maybe you have me confused with someone else. But the few I have made in regards to an upgrade have been quite helpful so thank you for the care Mikey!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldManBiker View Post
    I'm not sure I follow your comment about the 3,600 posts as I only have a whopping 151. So maybe you have me confused with someone else. But the few I have made in regards to an upgrade have been quite helpful so thank you for the care Mikey!
    There are 3,600 posts on this hightower thread, hopefully reading through them helped you out. cheers!

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    Do you guys know if it's ok to use 15wt oil instead of 0w30 in Pike lowers?


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    Quote Originally Posted by nathanbal View Post
    I have an Elevensix on the HT at the moment and love it - it really is as transforming as everyone says. I also have an X2 on the way to try out so will report back!


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    Can't wait to hear about the differences. Is the X2 going to be a long shock or standard 51mm?

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    There you have it just waiting for the official release..


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    Quote Originally Posted by yuppie View Post
    Thinking about some upgrades for my S build.

    Rear Shock
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    I've heard the DVO Topaz and some of the FOX EVOL stuff is good, but I think I could get a better experience out of the stock shock with some adjustment/tuning put in.

    The wheelset and hubs are probably going to be the most noticeable improvement. I'd really like to find a used ENVE wheelset with DT Swiss, Chris King or HOPE hubs. I've heard the the rear hub is pretty important when delivering power to the wheel. I've also heard light bicycle, ibis and those carbon roval hoops aren't too bad. I'm seeing some ENVE wheelsets M70 with DT Swiss 240s for ~$1700, not bad?

    The drivetrain would be cool to replace, but other than carbon cranks and faster shifting, I don't think it'd be a good way to spend $1k at this point. But I'd like an X01 Eagle setup.

    What do you guys think?
    I will give an opinion here, but it is just that, my opinion.

    First do not pay the premium for Enve unless you just have to have Made in the USA. They are not as durable as LB/Ibis and provide no additional performance despite the massive increase in price. I would also stay away from Roval unless you are a lighter/less aggressive rider. While durable they do flex quite a bit (not in a good way) which makes for difficulty holding lines in rough, fast or off camber sections. My personal choice (having owned Derby/Enve and LB) is Light Bicycle laced up to your hubs of choice. For $1700 you can just about get two sets, one 29 and one 275+, brand new or just one set and have enough left over for your shock upgrade.

    On the shock upgrade, it depends on what you are looking for. The Topaz is a nice shock, similar to the Float X. Great balance for an all around Trail shock with slightly more tuning options stock. X2 will provide a much more plush feeling on the descent, but is definitely more active on the climbs. Where I ride it is a huge benefit since it absorbs a lot of the chatter going uphill and also provides a lot more traction. I do 4K climbing days on my X2 without ever flipping the climb switch so it just depends on what you are looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8 1/2 View Post


    There you have it just waiting for the official release..


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    Very interesting, 160 fork and an obviously non stock rear link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8 1/2 View Post


    There you have it just waiting for the official release..


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    Is that just somebody's bike check or what's going on here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salespunk View Post
    Very interesting, 160 fork and an obviously non stock rear link.
    Not quite that Miami Vice scheme...
    Getting touch-up paint might involve some...work! HAH!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkyCO View Post
    Is that just somebody's bike check or what's going on here?
    Giving away a Hightower EWS replica. Setup with a 160 fork and other parts they won't talk about.

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    Saddlebag for the HT?

    Anyone running some form of saddlebag w/ the tire to saddle clearance of a fully squished down HT? Or, is there some form of a frame bag that'll fit in the small area right behind the head tube and in front of the shock mount, and between the top and down tube?

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    [QUOTE=Pau11y;13092555]Anyone running some form of saddlebag w/ the tire to saddle clearance of a fully squished down HT? Or, is there some form of a frame bag that'll fit in the small area right behind the head tube and in front of the shock mount, and between the top and down tube?


    You could use the Valais dropper mounting point which subtracts 25mm and might provide sufficient clearance for a small saddle bag. Valais 25 ? wolftoothcomponents.com
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Anyone running some form of saddlebag w/ the tire to saddle clearance of a fully squished down HT? Or, is there some form of a frame bag that'll fit in the small area right behind the head tube and in front of the shock mount, and between the top and down tube?
    http://cyckit.com/products/
    seat bag that will fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yuppie View Post
    Thinking about some upgrades for my S build.

    Rear Shock
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    I've heard the DVO Topaz and some of the FOX EVOL stuff is good, but I think I could get a better experience out of the stock shock with some adjustment/tuning put in.

    The wheelset and hubs are probably going to be the most noticeable improvement. I'd really like to find a used ENVE wheelset with DT Swiss, Chris King or HOPE hubs. I've heard the the rear hub is pretty important when delivering power to the wheel. I've also heard light bicycle, ibis and those carbon roval hoops aren't too bad. I'm seeing some ENVE wheelsets M70 with DT Swiss 240s for ~$1700, not bad?

    The drivetrain would be cool to replace, but other than carbon cranks and faster shifting, I don't think it'd be a good way to spend $1k at this point. But I'd like an X01 Eagle setup.

    What do you guys think?
    see me about a deal on brand new DTSWISS XM1501 30mm width with Freeza Rotors

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    My pedals were clogged with ice the other day so i did the slo-mo lay down in a techy section as I hopelessly tried to eject. Of course a sharp rock went right into the front triangle. I'm not usually that concerned with scratches but it left three large ones right on top of the downtube. Looks like chaulk on a blackboard.

    Anybody have a touch-up idea for this? I thought I saw where someone sanded it with fine grit. Is this a good idea?

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    Looks to me like they're still using a 200x50 shock with longer lower link and fixed shorter upper. Based on my new spider moving that upper alone may do the trick and add ramp up at the end.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Anyone running some form of saddlebag w/ the tire to saddle clearance of a fully squished down HT? Or, is there some form of a frame bag that'll fit in the small area right behind the head tube and in front of the shock mount, and between the top and down tube?

    I used the SWAT Bandit and it buzzed the tire at full compression. My dropper post seems to be at a similar insertion height as the one in your picture. Keep in mind I was uzing 27+ and low setting. I need to try the high setting.
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    I'll bet that's the new linkage which will allow officially to install longer rear travel suspension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzy View Post
    Looks to me like they're still using a 200x50 shock with longer lower link and fixed shorter upper. Based on my new spider moving that upper alone may do the trick and add ramp up at the end.


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    i kind of agree. But i think travel numbers would only be bumped to around the 140-145range per my unscientific unjustified guess. i think because of the fixed link position they didnt need to use the longer stroke shaft and just stick with a dedicated 50mm stroke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schuster.ryan View Post
    I used the SWAT Bandit and it buzzed the tire at full compression. My dropper post seems to be at a similar insertion height as the one in your picture. Keep in mind I was uzing 27+ and low setting. I need to try the high setting.
    That pic was taken w/ the chip in low setting, but w/ an additional 3.4mm in i2i length via offset shock hardware.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    Anyone running some form of saddlebag w/ the tire to saddle clearance of a fully squished down HT? Or, is there some form of a frame bag that'll fit in the small area right behind the head tube and in front of the shock mount, and between the top and down tube?

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    Alpine Threadworks Ltd.: Performance Satchel

    Most of my crew is running this and very happy...but we are local to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robnow View Post
    Alpine Threadworks Ltd.: Performance Satchel

    Most of my crew is running this and very happy...but we are local to him.
    Dude, you are the MAN! That is exactly what I'm looking for! Thanks! I guess I better get it soon before Cheetolini repeals NAFTA!
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