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    Santa Cruz Bronson and Cane Creek DB Air CS - Perfect Pair!

    Well, I've had a couple rides on the Bronson with the DB Air to compare it to the Fox that was on it originally. And it is NIGHT AND DAY!!!!

    I'm still dialing settings and will give a more in depth review when I get a little more time on it to give it a proper write up. But so far, this bike flat out rips!!
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    Very nice! Will be interested to read your more in-depth review of the new shock.
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    Very nice. I look forward to hearing how you get on with it as I might ditch the RP23 CTD as soon as my Bronson arrives.

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    Is your bike still sub 26lbs? Isn't the cane creek double barrel air considerably heavier then the fox you took off?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronsondude View Post
    Is your bike still sub 26lbs? Isn't the cane creek double barrel air considerably heavier then the fox you took off?
    Now it's sitting at 26.2 It was right at .5lb gain. But I can tell you it has been worth every gram! The DB Air, which I've had on most all of my bikes, tracks like nothing else.

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    How does it climb/pedal?
    Out of the saddle?
    I'm sure it's an awesome shock, and I just picked up a bronson,
    Looking to swap out the shock, but not sure I want to give up
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    Quote Originally Posted by tppon View Post
    How does it climb/pedal?
    Out of the saddle?
    I'm sure it's an awesome shock, and I just picked up a bronson,
    Looking to swap out the shock, but not sure I want to give up
    Lockout.
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    On smooth terrain it climbs almist as good as the 29" Stumpy hard tail I was racing this summer. On anything with roots/rocks or dips, it's faster because the rear tracks but doesn't spike or skip. The whole idea of the DB Air CS is efficiency when climbing. If your tire is skipping across the trail you don't have traction and you can't put power down. It's hard to tell what it's doing on smooth stuff, but when start climbing rough technical trail engaging the CS switch makes a huge difference. It also lets me run the DB Air on optimal traction settings for when I'm descending with the CS switch off. It really is an amazing feature and enhancement to an already great shock. Transforms the Bronson into an even more capable descender IMHO!

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    Nice!
    Thanks for posting that up.
    Sounds good, gonna look for a bike I can
    Demo with a cs.
    This float just ain't cutting it.

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    What was the configuration required for this shock to be installed on the Bronson? Was the 0.6 spacer required?

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    I have a float x on my tallboy LTc and now on my Bronson, and am much happier too. With the db air shock, are u able to fit a water bottle in the fram3?
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    Quote Originally Posted by argibson View Post
    I have a float x on my tallboy LTc and now on my Bronson, and am much happier too. With the db air shock, are u able to fit a water bottle in the fram3?
    Haven't tried yet. I'm waiting on a side load Specialized Zee cage to come in and will try. I like not having to wear a camelbak on shorter rides

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    Quote Originally Posted by regularbob View Post
    What was the configuration required for this shock to be installed on the Bronson? Was the 0.6 spacer required?
    No, right now it is stock. Cane creek was working with Santa Cruz last week I believe, to get a general base tune for the Bronson. My settings are changing a little as I ride trying different things out, but so far I'm liking it with the below settings until cane creek puts up something else to try. Curious to see how close I am to theirs.

    All adjustments from full open:
    HSC - .75 turns in
    LSC - 6-8 clicks in
    HSR - 2.25 turns in
    LSR - 11 clicks in

    I'm 185lbs ready to ride running around 135-145 psi mark yielding about 28-30% sag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aappling72 View Post
    No, right now it is stock. Cane creek was working with Santa Cruz last week I believe, to get a general base tune for the Bronson.
    As in you ordered your Bronson C from SC with the CC DB Air and it came from SC installed? Or your LBS replaced the stock Fox Float CTD with the CC DB Air for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by regularbob View Post
    As in you ordered your Bronson C from SC with the CC DB Air and it came from SC installed? Or your LBS replaced the stock Fox Float CTD with the CC DB Air for you?
    My Bronson came with the Fox. I ordered the DB Air CS from Suspension Experts and installed it myself.
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    Ash, whats the shock length/stroke on the Bronson? I know its shorter than the older SC standard of 8.5" X 2.5". That Screaming Yellow Zonker looks good. I rode a 27.5 wheeled bike a couple weeks ago and really liked the way the wheels handled even though I did not like the bike. A 27.5 SC of some sort is in my future be it a Heckler or a Bronson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HELLBELLY View Post
    Ash, whats the shock length/stroke on the Bronson? I know its shorter than the older SC standard of 8.5" X 2.5". That Screaming Yellow Zonker looks good. I rode a 27.5 wheeled bike a couple weeks ago and really liked the way the wheels handled even though I did not like the bike. A 27.5 SC of some sort is in my future be it a Heckler or a Bronson.

    Now if it was me, I would make a small copy of the mohawked Screaming Yellow Zonker guy and adhere him to the top tube out of respect...or insanity.[/B]
    That's funny! I think the size is 7.875 x 2.25. I'd have to check.

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    What's the latest word on the DB Air CS on your Bronson....?
    Have you changed any settings? More in depth ride report.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by cryde View Post
    What's the latest word on the DB Air CS on your Bronson....?
    Have you changed any settings? More in depth ride report.....
    Well my opinion...fwiw, is that this new generation of VPP feels amazing. Honestly it felt pretty good with the stock fox until things got high speed and chattery. The Cane Creek DB Air CS, just took a great bike and design, and made it better. At the cost of a .4-.5lbs of weight, yes, but so worth it when the descent starts.

    Things I've noticed that the DB seems to excel at on the Bronson:

    1- Small bump tracking at slow speed is much more sensitive. Almost giving a feeling of the tire is low on air. This a good thing and happens with the CS lever on or off

    2- The CS feature works well. I like being able to remove the compromise that had to be made with the first generation DB Air between good descending and efficient pedaling. Now I can set the shock up for optimal traction and DH handling and utilize the CS when I want to stand and hammer a hill or just pace up a gravel grind. Keep in mind, the Bronson is an efficient pedaling bike even with the CS switch off.

    3- Square edge impacts, like large roots, rocks, etc...that are hit at speed don't seem to cause the bike to lose composure or give a bucking sensation.

    4- High Speed cornering traction is the one of jewels of this shock. Leaning into off camber, rutted, rooty sections of single track (when set right) the DB excels!

    5- Jumps medium sized drops (4-6 ft with decent transitions) and the bike lands like a cat with the DB. You almost expect to prepare for some feedback from the bike due to hitting the jump/drop a little weird, but the bike just feels composed ...frt (RS Pike) and rear

    Those are my initial (2 weeks of riding) thoughts. Again, settings that are off, can make or break the ride with the DB on any bike, but I've owned DBs for about 7 years and ridden them everything from DH bikes to Turner 6 Packs, Intense AM bikes, yeti SB, Mojo HD, Spec Enduro, and now the Bronson. Setup on this shock is crucial which is why CC has created the Base Tune lounge. They haven't posted a Bronson starting point yet, but I spoke with them and got a general starting point and have fine tunes from there. If you are the kind of person after the best performance you can get, the quit waiting and pick up the Cane Creek DB Air CS. I cannot recommend a better place to get it from than www.mtbsuspensionexperts.com

    Ask for Kevin. They are an authorized Cane Creek service center as well. So, if there was an issue they would handle it with extreme professionalism. Not to mention, they are about 15-20 minutes away from Cane Creek so that sure helps with any warranty issue should you have one.

    Hope that helps. If I run into any other notable things I'll post back.

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    Fantastic... Thanks for posting up the report!
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    I'm running a CCDBA on my Nomadc and couldn't be happier. Night and day difference from the RP23. I don't like propedal switches because I always end up hitting a section mad realizing I forgot to turn it off. These bikes pedal just fine with the VPP. I actually feel more mid stroke support on the CCDBA than I did with the RP23 and the propedal engaged.

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    I'm planning to do this same upgrade to my Bronson, will get the frame in a week, now ordering that ccdba cs, since I don't have the frame yet, I need to ask you guys, what it the correct size mounting hardware from canecreek, 10mm, 8mm, 6mm or 9,5mm

    Thanks

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    You gotta Get Up to Get Down!

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    Oh, that was easy
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    Did your shock come with the proper mounting hardware?

    Just got mine for my bronson and its just the bare shock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mt. Tam Haze View Post
    Did your shock come with the proper mounting hardware?

    Just got mine for my bronson and its just the bare shock.
    When you order one, the supplier should order it with the proper mountain hardware for you. For instance, when I ordered mine via bikerbob - he asked which bike it was to be mounted to. The shock arrived w/ the proper hardware with it. Maybe whoever you ordered it from could also ship you the missing hardware?

    Otherwise I'm sure you can contact a distributor and order it. Not much special to it other than the spacing.

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    The hardware needed is the 22.1x8mm kit

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    Do you use a Solo Air Pike or Dual Position Air one?
    I am building one with very similar setting with yours, thanks!

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    REVIEW: I just put a CCDB CS on my Aluminum Bronson, and fully agree that even with the base tune and 30% sag, the bike has transformed significantly (in a good way). I only have about 6 hours on the bike, but I can confidently recommend this shock to anyone that is not satisfied with the performance of the rear. Previously I could not find a balance between plushness and performance in high speed rock gardens while still absorbing bigger hits. Realistically the Fox CTD never felt plush, and always had a pogo-stick feel. I feel that by being able to independently tune the high speed and low speed compression, you can help fill in some of the gaps of the mid-stroke progression indicative of the VPP. I'm 185 in street clothes and probably 205 in gear. I'm running 125 psi in the X-Vol can with one large spacer using the tune below.

    HSC- 1.75 HSR- 1.75 LSC-7 LSR- 10

    For anyone concerned about the climbing ability, forget it. The climb switch works great and provides improved traction on technical climbs while still working great on smooth tarmac.

    No regrets whatsoever...
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    I've been riding my Bronson with the CCDB w/CS and XV can on it. It came with no volume reducing spacers in it, but I decided to set it up as is, ride it, and see how it felt.

    Now, obviously, everything depends on what you ride and how you ride. Living in SoCal, there’s a lot of steep climbing and everything from smooth/flowy to downright rocky/chunky downhill. I have an affection with the bumpy downhills, and I consider myself pretty good tuning suspension. Set at 33% sag (again, with no air spacers), the bike sat in the middle of its stroke and pedaled very well. But, it went through the first part of travel fairly easily, and I really struggled to utilize full travel. Even backing out the HSC significantly more than the suggested 1.75 turns, it felt harsh. In 5psi increments, I lowered the air pressure to 105 psi, therefore increasing the sag to around 40%...maybe a touch more. The beginning travel feels the same, mid stroke feels better, and I can get full travel without harsh bottom out. I am 175lb without gear, and the settings from fully closed were at HSC=1.75, HSR=1.75, LSC=12, LSR=10. Oh, by the way, with these settings, the bike still climbs ridiculously well.

    I then decided to install the large air spacer in the XV can. At 125psi the shock felt better through the beginning stroke to mid stroke, but again, I struggle to get full travel. This makes sense, as the air spacer will make the shock more progressive. I kept messing with air pressure, and am now back down to 105psi again, with HSC at 2.25 turns. It feels better compared to 125psi, and beginning to mid stroke feels a bit more supple, the bike still climbs well (I keep getting PRs on my climbs…yea me!), but I’m still not getting full travel.

    I’ll go for another ride in the next day or two, but I think before I do I’ll take out the large volume spacer and replace it with the smaller one. I’m trying to get the perfect balance between a better feeling beginning to mid stroke with the large spacer, and the plush feel at the end stroke with no spacers.

    So why am I posting this? Just to chime in with my $0.02 and to ask, has anybody else had any similar feelings? BTW, I demo’d the bike with the Fox…that thing was $h!tty. This shock feels VERY good…I’m just picky and trying to get it to feel 100% instead of 90%.

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    ^^^ Great Post^^^

    Are you not using full travel during during square edge bumps at speed (HSC), or during drops (LSC)? What do you weigh? I'm getting 95% of full travel at 125psi with the settings posted above, and I'm 205 in gear. The unofficial base tune form CC recommends ~30% sag.

    I also live in SoCal and have an affinity for technical downhills. Where are you riding this weekend?

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    Quote Originally Posted by INCONEL View Post
    ^^^ Great Post^^^

    Are you not using full travel during during square edge bumps at speed (HSC), or during drops (LSC)? What do you weigh? I'm getting 95% of full travel at 135psi with the settings posted above, and I'm 205 in gear. The unofficial base tune form CC recommends ~30% sag.

    I also live in SoCal and have an affinity for technical downhills. Where are you riding this weekend?

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    Good question; you're right, that does make a difference. I'm talking about it being hard to get full travel at speed on square edge hits while riding downhill. If I'm not getting full travel while doing drops, I would not mind it as much. I'm about 175 without gear. I could/should back out the HSC more, but to me, it seems that if I need to back it out significantly more than suggested, there might be something else going on. But that being said, I've found that for the 6" Marz Z1 I had, as well as my new Pike 160mm DPA, I need to run less air than recommended in order to get the feel that is right for me.

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    The baseline HSC tune for the Bronson is 1.75, and it feels good to me, but I'll see this weekend as I'll be doing some higher speed rocky DH runs along with some freeride tech. When sessioning a section and tuning my shock, I backed off the HSR to 1.5 and it helped prevent some of the skipping that was noticed.
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    I had to edit a few posts above, as I was running lower pressure than I thought (125 vs. 135).

    This weekend I rode some pretty gnarly rocky descents and did not achieve the travel desired (75%). I've decided to reduce pressure to 115psi and dial back HSC by 1/2 a turn to 1.25, and LSC by two clicks to 5. I will report back.

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    I did quite a few runs this past weekend, and settled on a base:

    110psi (gets this 175lb rider 33% sag, maybe a touch more)
    1 Large Air Volume Spacer
    HSC = 1.50-1.75
    HSR = 1.25
    LSC = 14
    LSR = 10

    With these settings, I've got a bike that handles VERY well. VPP's shock rate falls then rises, and air shocks ramp up towards the end of their stroke. I've got low input from the HSC knob so that this "rampy" quality is subdued, and I get close to full travel (if not complete travel in some instances) while maintaining that "bottomless" feel. Also, due to the way the shock ramps up through its travel, and the initial falling shock rate of the bike, it needed more LSC than recommended. It feels very close to a coil shock, but since it "likes to sit" in its mid-stroke, it pedals way better!

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    Can't wait to try out this tune. Nice work!

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    My Summary thus far:

    Bike: AL Bronson with 150mm Fox CTD fork (ugh..)
    Rider: 185lbs (205lbs in gear)
    Riding Type: All-Mountain/Freeride
    CCDB CS Configuration: X-Vol Can with 1 Large Volume Spacer
    Pressure: 115psi 20mm sag (~35%)

    HSC = 1.25
    HSR = 1.75
    LSC = 7
    LSR = 10

    This is the setup that I rode this weekend doing lower-speed freeride type riding with a good mix of steep technical descents, drops (4'-7'), and jumps. I felt very controlled and the landings felt plush. I only used full travel once after a fairly large ladder drop, however I did not notice it until after looking at the o-ring location.

    I will be riding a higher speed DH trail this coming weekend and see if it keeps up through some high speed technical rock gardens. The increase in control and traction is very noticeable and provides confidence to hit larger features. The bike is also much livelier and easier to pop off of jumps.
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    Re: Santa Cruz Bronson and Cane Creek DB Air CS - Perfect Pair!

    Quote Originally Posted by INCONEL View Post
    My Summary thus far:

    Bike: AL Bronson with 150mm Fox CTD fork (ugh..)
    Rider: 185lbs (205lbs in gear)
    Riding Type: All-Mountain/Freeride
    CCDB CS Configuration: X-Vol Can with 1 Large Volume Spacer
    Pressure: 115psi 18mm sag (32%)

    HSC = 1.25
    HSR = 1.75
    LSC = 7
    LSR = 10

    This is the setup that I rode this weekend doing lower-speed freeride type riding with a good mix of steep technical descents, drops (4'-7'), and jumps. I felt very controlled and the landings felt plush. I only used full travel once after a fairly large ladder drop, however I did not notice it until after looking at the o-ring location.

    I will be riding a higher speed DH trail this coming weekend and see if it keeps up through some high speed technical rock gardens. The increase in control and traction is very noticeable and provides confidence to hit larger features. The bike is also much livelier and easier to pop off of jumps.
    Awesome write up. For freeriding, I would add another .50-.75 turns of HSR to mine, which would get me in the vecinity of yours.

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    Santa Cruz Bronson and Cane Creek DB Air CS - Perfect Pair!

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    Quote Originally Posted by INCONEL View Post
    My Summary thus far:

    Bike: AL Bronson with 150mm Fox CTD fork (ugh..)
    Rider: 185lbs (205lbs in gear)
    Riding Type: All-Mountain/Freeride
    CCDB CS Configuration: X-Vol Can with 1 Large Volume Spacer
    Pressure: 115psi 20mm sag (~35%)

    HSC = 1.25
    HSR = 1.75
    LSC = 7
    LSR = 10

    This is the setup that I rode this weekend doing lower-speed freeride type riding with a good mix of steep technical descents, drops (4'-7'), and jumps. I felt very controlled and the landings felt plush. I only used full travel once after a fairly large ladder drop, however I did not notice it until after looking at the o-ring location.
    Rode a DH trail this weekend with a good mix of high-speed rock gardens, jumps, and drops (7').

    With about 35%-38% sag at 115psi, I noticed that I was using about 65% of travel through the rock gardens while absolutely pinning it. I had a couple of buddies ride their rigs through the same section, and they are seeing similar travel on their 160mm bikes. Not sure if there is much that I can do here without sacrificing bottom-out on larger drops. I also bottomed out the suspension after hitting a 7' trail drop and landing relatively smoothly.

    After increasing the pressure to 120 psi, we did the full trail again and I ended up using ~90-95% of travel which I assume is attributed to the in-trail drops. This is probably where I want to be considering the kind of riding that I do. I'll keep fine tuning it as I go. Going forward I'm going to shoot for ~33% sag and likely add a little more HSC to minimize bottoming out.

    project_d: Can you comment on why you're running so much LSC? Do you pedal a lot on your trails? I would say that Stairsteps, 5-oaks, and Lynx in Aliso as well as T&A in Laguna are the types of (legal) trails that I ride most.

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    After a couple more weeks of testing and tuning, I've increased the HSC back to recommended level to have a little more "bottom-out" prevention while still keeping the ride plush enough to eat up the braking bumps and rock gardens. Very happy with this setup.

    Bike: AL Bronson with 160mm RS Pike
    Rider: 185lbs (205lbs in gear)
    Riding Type: All-Mountain/Freeride
    CCDB CS Configuration: X-Vol Can with 1 Large Volume Spacer
    Pressure: 120psi - 18mm sag (~32%)

    HSC = 1.75
    HSR = 1.75
    LSC = 7
    LSR = 10

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    Yup, I ride those same trails. I do a fair bit of shuttling, but I also a fair bit of climbing. Since the wheel rate is regressive then progressive, I noticed the extra LSC helps when I climb San Juan Lollipop, yet the bike still super plush for shuttling trails like Mt Lowe.

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    Some CCDBA tuning recommendations from Noel Buckley of Knolly fame. Worth a read.

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    Just got a DB CS with the XV can, set it to the recommended base settings with ~17mm sag, and took it for a ride. I expected to blown away, but I came away feeling disappointed. Seemed to be blowing through travel and bottoming fairly harshly. Tried turning up the HSC a bit, but still didn't feel bottomless. My fork would have another .5-1in of travel and the rear was maxed.

    These are on the same drops and trails I rode with the stock CTD shock. I actually never bottomed it harshly and liked the general feel of that shock. It just lacked at higher speeds, chatter, square edges, and fade.

    I've got 1 large spacer in place. I was thinking of adding another spacer or two. Has anyone else run into any problems? I'm assuming the base settings are set from the full open, as little damping as possible position, correct?

    I'm 165 riding and have it pumped to ~115psi

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    i haven't been blown away with the performance of the CCDB CS with XV can either. there's no question, on the downhills, it feels bottomless, smooth and controlled. If I closed my eyes, it would be near impossible to tell if i am riding my V10c or the Bronson.

    However, my bronson isn't a downhill bike. with the stock fox float ctd, it was far more lively. gave a nice pop off jump faces. there's a pump track section at my local trails, and i could actually accelerate with the bronson/fox. pedalling inputs were more instantaneous. and this was with the shock in "descend" most of the time.

    with the CCDB Air, the bike feels muted. I don't have that terrain feel (positive feedback) with the CCDB Air.

    I typically run alot of low speed compression for pedalling efficiency, keeping the suspension higher in the travel, less brake dive.

    My current settings are:

    195lbs (fully geared) at 135psi

    LSC 18clicks from Zero (fully open, minimum compression)
    HSC 1.5turns from zero (fully open)

    LSR 7 clicks from zero
    HSR 2 turns from zero

    i'm still noticing a fair amount of shock activation from pedalling. There's 25 clicks of adjustment on the LSC and i'm actually considering adding a 2 or 3 more clicks. Is that crazy?

    Are my expectations just unreasonable given that this is a 150mm travel bike? i felt like the bronson was more efficient and held speed well with the fox. just when the trail pointed downwards it was really lagging behind the bump eating performance of my front fork (Bos Deville)

    With the CCDB Air, It almost the reverse. It's descending really well, feels planted. but when I am needing liveliness coming off jumps, pumping transitions, pedalling response, its sorely lacking.

    I'd appreciate y'alls input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chillindrdude View Post
    when I am needing liveliness coming off jumps, pumping transitions, pedalling response, its sorely lacking.

    I'd appreciate y'alls input.
    Maybe try HSR at 1.5 for a bit more pop/liveliness.

    Did you try this base setting? The Lounge | Rider Forums | Santa Cruz Bronson Tune If you compare the base setting with your settings above how does that feel to you?
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    Chillindrdude: How is that lack of livliness affected by the CS switch? I'm thinking of getting this shock for my Tallboy LT, but I don't want to feel like I'm on a DH bike when I'm on a roller-coaster sprint-and-carve trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chillindrdude View Post

    I'd appreciate y'alls input.
    If you dont have the large air volume spacer installed...do this right away and your problem may be solved. I found that gave me more mid stroke support. If you already have it in, try another 0.5 turn of HSC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by @dam View Post
    Chillindrdude: How is that lack of livliness affected by the CS switch? I'm thinking of getting this shock for my Tallboy LT, but I don't want to feel like I'm on a DH bike when I'm on a roller-coaster sprint-and-carve trail.
    the CS is noticeable, and in a good way. it's not a platform so i wouldn't characterize it making the bike more lively. but i think they tuned the CS damping circuit to essentially cancel out natural climbing pedaling cadence/bob.

    the high speed circuits are unchanged according to CC. so essentially the shock should remained active.

    the way my shock was responding, I wanted to leave it with CS on. but thats just a crutch. the shock isn't dialed yet and still not optimal.

    *update*
    I installed the volume spacer today. reset the base tune (with just alittle more LSC) to the following:

    Start with 15mm of sag (i'm at 135psi)

    For the DBAir-CS: X-Vol Can with 1 Large volume spacer-

    HSC- 1.75 HSR- 1.75-2.00 LSC-7 (I dialed 10) LSR- 10

    I hope to get some trail testing this weekend and I will report back. Just bouncing on it in the yard, i can tell it's more progressive. we'll see. but i see myself backing off alittle more HSR and upping LSC some more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by project_d View Post
    Please do.
    As noted previously, I added the large volume spacer.

    Ok so, did about 2hrs of testing on my local trails. soft conditions. but it's good mix of terrain from flowy rollers, to high speed downhill roots and rockgardens.


    Air spring at 140psi. yielding 15mm of sag with my usual trail riding gear + hydration.

    HSC- 1.75
    HSR- 1.75
    LSC- 12
    LSR- 10

    Bike felt far more responsive. Even with LSC at 12. still some hint of pedaling sluggishness. but, maybe i'm being nitpicky. starting to get alittle harsh off the top, so i think this is as far I am gonna go. bike still doesn't have that pop off jump faces that I like (used to with the fox ctd) but may be a combination of soft conditions and early season cobwebs. I am considering decreasing HSR by 1/4 and dropping LSR 2 clicks. On the roughest downhill section of trail, i'm still have about 1cm of travel remaining as per the rubber travel indicator. I'm not feeling any noticeable spiking on the big hits, but I may also decrease HSC by 1/4 and trying that.

    How does the above settings look to you suspension gurus?

    I think the Bronson was tuned well with the Fox CTD with the emphasis on pedalling efficiency. Switching to the CCDB Air, that emphasis has changed somewhat towards bump compliance and downhill performance.

    My local trail is an XC oriented. as the DH sections are fun but short, and nothing really taxing. I am shaving time off the roughest sections no doubt, but overall, my lap times have gone up by 10-15 mins since the switch. But again, this may just be early season flabbiness from couch surfing (and occasional snowboarding) all winter.

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    Hey guys, been following this with quite a bit of interest. I went back to the CC Lounge and found some interesting news. If I read correctly, it seems the standard can may be the way to go?? See CC's response from today (3-24) in the comments section..

    The Lounge | Rider Forums | Santa Cruz Bronson Tune

    Also, for those with Pike's, 150 or 160 travel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigwaved View Post
    Hey guys, been following this with quite a bit of interest. I went back to the CC Lounge and found some interesting news. If I read correctly, it seems the standard can may be the way to go?? See CC's response from today (3-24) in the comments section..

    The Lounge | Rider Forums | Santa Cruz Bronson Tune

    Also, for those with Pike's, 150 or 160 travel?
    Very interesting. As for the Pike, definitely the 160.


    March 24, 2014 9:34am by CaneCreekCyclingComponents

    Actually through initial rider feedback we were given the impression that the Bronson did need it. We now have test results back from Santa Cruz and they prefer the standard can. Its seems the XV can makes the spring curve too linear for the Bronson. We now recommend the standard can only. Sorry for any confusion. With new bikes that we don't have spec on and haven't tested with, we are often in the dark about tuning. Sometimes through rider feedback, educated guesses, etc. we can figure out the best set up. In this case we got a lot of conflicting feedback, a lot of which is probably due to set up and riding style preferences.

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    Ugh....just saw this. Looks like i need the standard can and im back to square one...

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    I've been talking with Cane Creek a bit recently. I bought a DBair with XV can and was blowing through the travel even with minimal sag and I didn't think the compression circuits were functioning. They recommened adding some more volume spacers so I borrowed some from a friend. Now running the XV can with 2 large and a small spacer. The shock is much better. According to CC, 3 large spacers is equal to the standard can. I'll be trying this out as I'd still like a bit more ramp to the stroke while dropping the HSC a bit.

    Give CC a call and tell them whats up. See if they won't send you a few more volume spacers. They've been super helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jselwyn View Post
    They recommened adding some more volume spacers so I borrowed some from a friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INCONEL View Post
    Very interesting. As for the Pike, definitely the 160.


    March 24, 2014 9:34am by CaneCreekCyclingComponents

    Actually through initial rider feedback we were given the impression that the Bronson did need it. We now have test results back from Santa Cruz and they prefer the standard can. Its seems the XV can makes the spring curve too linear for the Bronson. We now recommend the standard can only. Sorry for any confusion. With new bikes that we don't have spec on and haven't tested with, we are often in the dark about tuning. Sometimes through rider feedback, educated guesses, etc. we can figure out the best set up. In this case we got a lot of conflicting feedback, a lot of which is probably due to set up and riding style preferences.
    Thanks for digging this up. I run a CCDBA CS on my Tallboy LTc, and the standard can is perfect.

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    I rather have the standard can than 3 spacers in a XV can. M i will get flamed for this, but the standard can is lighter than the XV, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jselwyn View Post
    According to CC, 3 large spacers is equal to the standard can. I'll be trying this out as I'd still like a bit more ramp to the stroke while dropping the HSC a bit.

    Give CC a call and tell them whats up. See if they won't send you a few more volume spacers. They've been super helpful.
    Thanks for the recommendations. I just picked up a couple large volume spacers from CC, and I agree that they were more than helpful. I like the idea of having the tunability with the XV can. Similar to the RS Pike with the bottomless tokens. It ships with zero tokens installed and you can install up to 3. I tried it with 2 and it felt like crap. Went to 1 token and I love it (set at ~18-20% sag). I plan to do the same with the CCDB volume spacers. I'll try 2 large or maybe 2 large and one small spacer and see how it feels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INCONEL View Post
    Similar to the RS Pike with the bottomless tokens. It ships with zero tokens installed and you can install up to 3. I tried it with 2 and it felt like crap. Went to 1 token and I love it (set at ~18-20% sag).
    Not to de-rail the thread, but I just put one of the tokens in my 150mm Pike and like it better this way too.

    Interesting on the latest view on the standard can for the CCBDA... I'm kind of glad I haven't committed my $$$ just yet
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    I'm currently running the cs Xv with one large volume spacer at 30% sag and the cs factory settings from the cc lounge. I am getting an extremely rough ride down super fast rocky downhill. Any suggestions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJobe View Post
    I'm currently running the cs Xv with one large volume spacer at 30% sag and the cs factory settings from the cc lounge. I am getting an extremely rough ride down super fast rocky downhill. Any suggestions?
    Put two more large spacers in it. With 30% sag and that air spring, you are probably blowing through the travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJobe View Post
    I'm currently running the cs Xv with one large volume spacer at 30% sag and the cs factory settings from the cc lounge. I am getting an extremely rough ride down super fast rocky downhill. Any suggestions?
    Are you blowing through the travel? If yes, start by adding more HSC. If that still doesn't work, add a bit more air, like 5psi-15psi. If that still doesn't do it, you need another air spacer in that, or just the regular can.

    Are you not getting enough travel? If so, back off HSC.

    You're getting enough travel but it's still rough? Check your HSR; it's either too slow or too fast.

    BTW, Cane Creeks trail tuning guide is superb! It really goes through the entire process step-by-step. You tune, tune, tune, until you've gone too far, then go back one step. It's pretty darn good. I had a good ride, kept speeding up the HSR until it felt like I got bucked off small lips. I backed off HSR about 1/4 turn, and now the bile feels money!

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    Make sure you scroll back up this thread to see that the initial recommendation of the XV can was incorrect. After consulting with SC, they now recommend the regular can. You can achieve the same volume as the regular can by adding 3 large spacers.

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    Have 2 db air cs's on the way, one for myself and one for my son. both are going on bronsons.

    for me i got the standard can - I'm 185lbs with gear & i will start with the base tune recommendations listed in the Cane Creek longue, even though those were for the xv can. Or are there some updated numbers that i should start with?

    for my son, he weighs about 130lbs with gear. Cane Creek recommended the xv can for him, to provide some additional tuning range. I'll be putting in 2 of the bigger spacers initially. Any recommended modifications to the base tune numbers listed @ Cane Creek for someone at his weight?

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    I found the base tune for the Nomad to do a pretty good job once I got the air volume reduced. Running a bit more HSC ~1 turn, but rest is feeling pretty good with 16mm of sag.

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    it seems to me the cane creek db air cs doesn't meet all the hype it getting on the bronson bike. imo..its still too firm at both ends of speed, even with minimal lsc and hsc
    settings..not as bad on the high side. i am 185lbs riding weight and the stock fox feels alot nicer at low speed than the ccdba, and the ccdba feels alittle bit better at high speeds other than still too firm at end of stroke. ccdba needs to change tune a lot lighter compression than the stock offers now, unless you weigh more than 200..
    its funny how many people say it changes the bronson...it does, though in the wrong direction... but it has potenetial if they can tune it better for the bronsons suspension

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    Quote Originally Posted by burpp View Post
    it seems to me the cane creek db air cs doesn't meet all the hype it getting on the bronson bike. imo..its still too firm at both ends of speed, even with minimal lsc and hsc
    settings..not as bad on the high side. i am 185lbs riding weight and the stock fox feels alot nicer at low speed than the ccdba, and the ccdba feels alittle bit better at high speeds other than still too firm at end of stroke. ccdba needs to change tune a lot lighter compression than the stock offers now, unless you weigh more than 200..
    its funny how many people say it changes the bronson...it does, though in the wrong direction... but it has potenetial if they can tune it better for the bronsons suspension
    I'm pretty sure that the levels of compression damping available on the CCDBA are significantly lighter than any stock tune you could buy. You are doing something wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    I'm pretty sure that the levels of compression damping available on the CCDBA are significantly lighter than any stock tune you could buy. You are doing something wrong.
    i dont think i am. i am not saying another "stock" tune shock has lighter compression damping, but the ccdba needs a lighter compression damping tune on the bronson
    i will keep trying to tune it, but i dont think ccdba has nail it quite yet on the bronson
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    Quote Originally Posted by burpp View Post
    i dont think i am. i am not saying another "stock" tune shock has lighter compression damping, but the ccdba needs a lighter compression damping tune on the bronson
    i will keep trying to tune it, but i dont think ccdba has nail it quite yet on the bronson
    What settings and air can are you using? I've found the DB to be super supple on top and very tunable in the ramp up at the stroke's end. Aircan volume plays a large part in the end stroke. Less volume=more progressive/classic air spring. More air volume=more linear coil like spring

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    This thread has died.

    I will say that with two large spacers and one small spacer on the XV can, I am not blowing through travel and am still impressed with the small bump compliance. I routinely do 4-6 foot drops and ride a lot of FR/DH and am just getting full travel on big hits. To each their own, but no regrets here.

    On a side note, that Nomad sure is tasty looking (in Black). Wish it was available in AL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INCONEL View Post
    This thread has died.

    I will say that with two large spacers and one small spacer on the XV can, I am not blowing through travel and am still impressed with the small bump compliance. I routinely do 4-6 foot drops and ride a lot of FR/DH and am just getting full travel on big hits. To each their own, but no regrets here.

    On a side note, that Nomad sure is tasty looking (in Black). Wish it was available in AL.
    What are you running hsc at ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sanman View Post
    What are you running hsc at ?
    Bike: AL Bronson with 160mm RS Pike
    Rider: 185lbs (205lbs in gear)
    Riding Type: All-Mountain/Freeride

    CCDB CS Configuration: X-Vol Can with 2 Large and 1 Small Volume Spacers
    Pressure: 120psi - 18mm sag (~32%)
    HSC = 1.75
    HSR = 1.75
    LSC = 7
    LSR = 10

    RS Pike Configuration: 160mm, 1 Volume Spacer, 25% Sag
    LSC: 4 clicks LSC
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    Quote Originally Posted by INCONEL View Post
    Bike: AL Bronson with 160mm RS Pike
    Rider: 185lbs (205lbs in gear)
    Riding Type: All-Mountain/Freeride

    CCDB CS Configuration: X-Vol Can with 2 Large and 1 Small Volume Spacers
    Pressure: 120psi - 18mm sag (~32%)
    HSC = 1.75
    HSR = 1.75
    LSC = 7
    LSR = 10
    nutty, i'm nearly the same. tho, i'm a tad lighter. prob 195lbs with gear on. running about 125psi - yielding about 15mm sag. running alot of LSC however, about 11, to get that efficiency I am after.

    up front i'm running the BOS Deville. it was basically a flip of the coin between the BOS and the Pike for me.

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    Hi guys, just after a spot of feedback.

    I've had the DB air CS on my Bronson for around six weeks and love the feel of it! However the bushings and mount kit, attached to the upper linkage, have already developed quite a bit of play and the mount is no longer a tight fit (it will slide straight out with no force). There is also visible wear on the mount and the bushing.

    Any of you guys come across this before? I've searched for similar issues but can't find a great deal so I guess it isn't a common problem.

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    Santa Cruz Bronson and Cane Creek DB Air CS - Perfect Pair!

    Silly question but I just got a dbair and it didn't come with mounting hardware, can I take my old hardware and use that? The DBAir has bushings installed but the axel from my fox shock seems really tight in that bushing. Are CC axels a smaller diameter? Thx


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    Santa Cruz Bronson and Cane Creek DB Air CS - Perfect Pair!

    Had a CCDBA CS on my Bronson C for almost a week now and I'm really pleased with it, it's a massive improvement over the CTD. Will post settings I'm using soon, but it's really close to the suggested base setting right now.
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    Spoke with Cane Creek one day last week as I was inquiring about the DB vs. the inline for the Bronson and learned that they have worked with SC to develop a new, slightly different, DB air specifically for the Bronson. IIRC, different in that there was something about having a negative air spring to help smooth out the beginning stroke where there current shocks don't have this. It was about a week ago so don't go holding me to every little detail! Ha! It does have it's own part # (was told BAD1108) and was told it could be ordered now. Still riding my new 1 week old Bronson to figure out my likes and dislikes before I make any decisions. Thought it would be good info to share. Call CC if you want the details as I just dropped this to give folks a heads up.

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    Interesting... would like to be able to make a back-to-back ride comparison of the standard vs Bronson specific tune!

    FYI you can pick up a new standard CCDBA CS for a little over $500 if you know where to look, which is quite a saving over RRP of almost $700.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigwaved View Post
    Spoke with Cane Creek one day last week as I was inquiring about the DB vs. the inline for the Bronson and learned that they have worked with SC to develop a new, slightly different, DB air specifically for the Bronson. IIRC, different in that there was something about having a negative air spring to help smooth out the beginning stroke where there current shocks don't have this. It was about a week ago so don't go holding me to every little detail! Ha! It does have it's own part # (was told BAD1108) and was told it could be ordered now. Still riding my new 1 week old Bronson to figure out my likes and dislikes before I make any decisions. Thought it would be good info to share. Call CC if you want the details as I just dropped this to give folks a heads up.
    On my visit yesterday, I was informed that SC has shocks in stock from CC to put on Bronsons. So they are special and available now.

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    Would be fascinated to hear a technical discussion of how the new shock works and what about the Bronson leverage curve makes it necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigwaved View Post
    Spoke with Cane Creek one day last week as I was inquiring about the DB vs. the inline for the Bronson and learned that they have worked with SC to develop a new, slightly different, DB air specifically for the Bronson. IIRC, different in that there was something about having a negative air spring to help smooth out the beginning stroke where there current shocks don't have this. It was about a week ago so don't go holding me to every little detail! Ha! It does have it's own part # (was told BAD1108) and was told it could be ordered now. Still riding my new 1 week old Bronson to figure out my likes and dislikes before I make any decisions. Thought it would be good info to share. Call CC if you want the details as I just dropped this to give folks a heads up.
    After I read this I called up CC and SC.

    Gary at CC:
    The part # is BAD1108 and any order is probably a two week minimum. This is straight from the man:

    We have been testing suspension products with Santa Cruz for over three years. This product development accommodates the improvements they made specifically for the Bronson's VPP leverage ratio. It allows for easier actuation of the shock from full shock extension which improves traction while breaking.

    The DBairCS for the 2015 Bronson has a negative spring feature that is different from previous DB shocks. ​It is a mechanical spring in parallel with the standard air negative spring.​

    From my conversation with Gary I got the impression that the spring "in parallel" is actually located in the negative air chamber.

    Joe at SC tech support:
    Here's what our product manager said:

    The Cane Creek shock we use doesn't have a name per-se, but is custom for us. Specifically it has lighter damping, and a stronger negative spring to give better small-bump compliance and traction. It's just the "Bronson
    tune".

    I'm curious what they did to lessen the damping, and if this effectively makes the shock "unswappable" to other bikes that need more damping control. Also there isn't a specific reference about which damping circuit(s) are affected.

    Interesting... and confusing.

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    I got the new Bronson (in green) with the CC DBair from factory. Unfortunately I don't have any point of comparisons between this shock and the Fox CTD specifically on a Bronson. I have a Fox CTD on my Blur LTc, and the CC feels a lot better, but that could be based on the VPP differences, the tire size change between the two bikes or many other factors. SC suggests 17% sag, which is what I tried to set mine to, but I feel I need to increase the sag to make the shock more plush and get more travel. Have the Pike 150 in front and the sag on that is setup based on Pike's factory recommendation for my weight.

    I've had the bike for a very short time and only took it on a few rides, so I need more time to play with the tuning and get it right, but as it is, and with the stock setting, the bike is great at climbing and during the downhills in rocky, rooty trails. I can only imagine it would get better with better tuning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ra-man44 View Post
    I got the new Bronson (in green) with the CC DBair from factory. Unfortunately I don't have any point of comparisons between this shock and the Fox CTD specifically on a Bronson. I have a Fox CTD on my Blur LTc, and the CC feels a lot better, but that could be based on the VPP differences, the tire size change between the two bikes or many other factors. SC suggests 17% sag, which is what I tried to set mine to, but I feel I need to increase the sag to make the shock more plush and get more travel. Have the Pike 150 in front and the sag on that is setup based on Pike's factory recommendation for my weight.

    I've had the bike for a very short time and only took it on a few rides, so I need more time to play with the tuning and get it right, but as it is, and with the stock setting, the bike is great at climbing and during the downhills in rocky, rooty trails. I can only imagine it would get better with better tuning.
    Did you mean 27% sag?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ra-man44 View Post
    SC suggests 17% sag
    Pretty sure they suggest 30% sag which works out to about 17mm of sag. I'm debating between a new Nomad or Bronson to replace my TRc & DH bike, so I'm interested in how the DBair works on both bikes. I had one on a Tracer VP a few years back and loved it.

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    Thanks for posting all the great info, aspenroot!

    Quote Originally Posted by aspenroot View Post
    After I read this I called up CC and SC.
    From my conversation with Gary I got the impression that the spring "in parallel" is actually located in the negative air chamber.
    Hmmm...wonder what this means in terms of the Inline on a Bronson? Probably too early to have a custom setup...?

    Quote Originally Posted by aspenroot View Post
    Interesting... and confusing.
    Yeah. I was all ready to pull the trigger on an Inline; but now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    Did you mean 27% sag?
    Sorry, meant 17mm Sag. Here are the rest of the recommended DB Air base tune on a card that accompanied the bike and has both SC and CC logos on it:

    HSC: 1
    LSC: 7
    HSR: 2.5
    LSR: 10

    The card also suggests there are no volume spacers.

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    Ra-man - does your Bronson with the stock DBair have the climb switch (i.e: is it a DBair CS)?

    The picture on the SC website shows the DBair CS, and the tune sheet that pops up when you click on that "Customization Option" shows the DBair CS. But they never explicitly say "CS" on the spec list!

    I'm obviously overthinking this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ra-man44 View Post
    The card also suggests there are no volume spacers.
    There won't be any volume spacers as IIRC its on a standard can not a XV can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aspenroot View Post
    Ra-man - does your Bronson with the stock DBair have the climb switch (i.e: is it a DBair CS)?

    The picture on the SC website shows the DBair CS, and the tune sheet that pops up when you click on that "Customization Option" shows the DBair CS. But they never explicitly say "CS" on the spec list!

    I'm obviously overthinking this.
    I had the same concern. I was thinking CS since it should be the norm but who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistertue View Post
    I had the same concern. I was thinking CS since it should be the norm but who knows.
    Just spoke with Joe at Santa Cruz... The Bronson shock is indeed equipped with a climb switch.

    Which is a relief since I ordered one yesterday! Cannot wait to try it out...


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    Quote Originally Posted by aspenroot View Post
    Ra-man - does your Bronson with the stock DBair have the climb switch (i.e: is it a DBair CS)?

    The picture on the SC website shows the DBair CS, and the tune sheet that pops up when you click on that "Customization Option" shows the DBair CS. But they never explicitly say "CS" on the spec list!

    I'm obviously overthinking this.
    Yes, it does have the climb switch (CS). I was also worried it may not before i got the bike, but fortunately it does. You can see the switch in this picture.

    Santa Cruz Bronson and Cane  Creek DB Air CS - Perfect Pair!-bronson-canecreek.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by ra-man44 View Post
    Yes, it does have the climb switch (CS). I was also worried it may not before i got the bike, but fortunately it does. You can see the switch in this picture.

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    That green looks lush. Ordered mine in green too with DBAir as well.

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    Thanks. I wasn't so crazy about the color when I first saw the picture, but the bike in reality is much better looking and I've been getting complements on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ra-man44 View Post
    Thanks. I wasn't so crazy about the color when I first saw the picture, but the bike in reality is much better looking and I've been getting complements on it.
    I really want to see one paired with yellow enves not just off the SC site.

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    The first 10mm of my stroke feel as if the shock has no resistance. Do you guys have the same issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahColorado View Post
    What a nice friend.
    Quote Originally Posted by ra-man44 View Post
    Sorry, meant 17mm Sag. Here are the rest of the recommended DB Air base tune on a card that accompanied the bike and has both SC and CC logos on it:

    HSC: 1
    LSC: 7
    HSR: 2.5
    LSR: 10

    The card also suggests there are no volume spacers.
    It's not like we need another CCDBairCS standard volume setting for the Bronson listed but, oh well here's mine after quite a few weeks of riding and dialing it in on the typical Durango, Co. Trails:

    sag at 17mm with 120psi (rider weight about 190 with gear)
    HSC-1.25 (1.5 was too harsh on the high speed cobblestone trails).
    HSR-2.5
    LSC-8
    LSR-10

    Pike 160 settings:
    LSC 3 clicks
    Rebound 11 clicks
    About 80 psi
    Last edited by Noyac; 07-05-2014 at 03:26 PM. Reason: Needed to add

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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJobe View Post
    The first 10mm of my stroke feel as if the shock has no resistance. Do you guys have the same issue?
    Are you talking about the 10mm after your sag? I have no idea how you can feel this.

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    So, how much is this new Bronson-tuned CCDBA going to cost me? I'm very interested in getting it. I've had a hard time coming to terms with how the rear suspension on mountain bikes feel in general compared to dirtbikes. I'm hoping the double barrel shock with a bigger volume will feel a bit more comfortable to me.

    I feel the most comfortable on coil shock DH bikes but that is not the kind of riding that I want to do. I like all mountain riding and climbing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmrocks View Post
    So, how much is this new Bronson-tuned CCDBA going to cost me? I'm very interested in getting it. I've had a hard time coming to terms with how the rear suspension on mountain bikes feel in general compared to dirtbikes. I'm hoping the double barrel shock with a bigger volume will feel a bit more comfortable to me.

    I feel the most comfortable on coil shock DH bikes but that is not the kind of riding that I want to do. I like all mountain riding and climbing.
    idk,if they r for sale separately or not or how much. but if you do buy one , make sure its the one from santa cruz because the stock ccdba sucks on a bronson

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    Quote Originally Posted by burpp View Post
    make sure its the one from santa cruz because the stock ccdba sucks on a bronson
    Really? Im going to have to disagree with you. you have to tune it for your likes.

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