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    PUSH vs. NOMAD

    Something is brewing at PUSH.........
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    Good job! Damn you!

    Quote Originally Posted by PUSHIND
    Something is brewing at PUSH.........
    You tempt us! So cruel.

    I guess we'll just have to wait and watch as the drool pools on the floor....
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    The **** Darren, I hate foreplay .

    So what are we expecting to see?

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    You tempt us! So cruel.
    Guilty!

    So what are we expecting to see?
    A VERY original Nomad!

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    We need more photos! Show us some more photos as the build comes along so we can atleast guess =P

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    So is that a Pike crown I see?

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    Looks like you're gonna make some special links for the back. Hmmm, interesting.
    BTW, those are Boxxer crowns.
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    dang! well at least i got the RS down, havent seen any dual crown forks on Nomads yet.

    Kerry- how the heck can you tell the difference?

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    Swing Links?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kerry
    Looks like you're gonna make some special links for the back. Hmmm, interesting.
    BTW, those are Boxxer crowns.
    New Swing Links like they did for the Intense 5.5 and Spider?

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    Nomad

    Well, other than machining the hub bearing guides, all of the pivot pins, pivot caps, replacing all of the fasteners with Titanium, building a one-off Boxxer U-Turn with 360 Maxle, custom XO shifter perch clamps, of course Team Edition DHX Coil, as well as a few other goodies......it's completely stock!

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    I got to see this boxxer and maxle!
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    That guy and his company should be banned from MTBR. He does this little teasing stunt on the Turner forum regularly and now he is moving over to the SC forum. He even has accomplices (a certain Larry, relatively unknow here on MTBR!!!) on the Turner forum so sometimes it's the accomplice that posts those teasing photos or text. I just can't believe we, the mountain bike customers, tolerate such behavior, and worst of it, we even spend our dollars encouraging such a guy!

    Ho OK, so what is it gonna be Darren? I guess my Push RP3 on my Banzai will need a little brother when I get my FloatR Nomad, or is it gonna be my Rocco that will need a PUSH sticker, or my bearings that will need to be PUSHed out or am I gonna have to PUSH and shove my rockers around! Eventually, we'll start saying WTP instead of WTF!

    Thanks for providing these goodies to us, but PLEASE, let us know exactly WHAT goodies we can expect!

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    Update

    I got to see this boxxer and maxle!
    Can't give you any close-ups, but here you go!

    That guy and his company should be banned from MTBR


    Thanks for providing these goodies to us, but PLEASE, let us know exactly WHAT goodies we can expect!
    I'll continue to post the updates...should only take another day or two to get it built. Test day at the Moto track on Thursday will keep me from the office so I'm hoping to have it finished by that morning. Glad you guys are interested....this is turning out to be a pretty fun project for us. It's been in the low 70's here so I can't wait to rip on it!

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    Darren, great, you'll be riding a Nomad now. So when I send you my FloatR or my Rocco later this year you'll be able to do a good job on them for me! The Push RP3 on my Banzai is the best air shock I've had but there is still something to be desired in terms of small bump compliance on the downhill. I think the Nomad with Rocco will take care of that but I'll send you the FloatR for a treatment!

    Have fun riding it, and since you've been teasing us like that it would be just fair if you would pay us back with some nice feedback on how you like the ride on the Nomad...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PUSHIND
    Something is brewing at PUSH.........


    Whats your guy's stance on the Nomad, any time on one yet on the trails?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PUSHIND
    Can't give you any close-ups, but here you go!






    I'll continue to post the updates...should only take another day or two to get it built. Test day at the Moto track on Thursday will keep me from the office so I'm hoping to have it finished by that morning. Glad you guys are interested....this is turning out to be a pretty fun project for us. It's been in the low 70's here so I can't wait to rip on it!

    Darren

    Dont forget to post 'em pictures from test day !

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    Whats your guy's stance on the Nomad
    Came apart easily! Seriously, I've got limited time on my friends Nomad. This will be the first bike that I log some real miles on.

    Dont forget to post 'em pictures from test day !
    When we're riding Moto, it's nearly impossible to get anyone to stop to take photos.

    Darren

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    Quote Originally Posted by PUSHIND
    Came apart easily! Seriously, I've got limited time on my friends Nomad. This will be the first bike that I log some real miles on.



    When we're riding Moto, it's nearly impossible to get anyone to stop to take photos.

    Darren

    Just remember, lots of photos of trick Nomads on mtbr means lots of money in Darren and Jimmy's pockets!
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    Very interesting

    Just when I thought my Nomad was complete...Will the Team Edition DHX Coil be avaible for us mortals? If so whats the ETA.

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    damn thats a nice fork!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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    Getting Closer

    Will the Team Edition DHX Coil be avaible for us mortals
    Unfortunately No, but we will have some pretty cool DHX kits coming later this month!

    damn thats a nice fork
    And if you could only see what we've got inside of it!

    Well, had a little time this morning to make a few additions.....here's what I've got so far:

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    OMG...that thing is hot! RED hot..
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    Holy facking sheet!

    mmmm that rear shock

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    Will it be available in other colors than RED? I was thinking of gold color scheme for my nomad, I might have to reconsider now.

    That red would really match BanzaiRider's Nomad! Sweet!!

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    I am more interested in why you chose to work on a nomad over other similar bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobsterCraw
    I am more interested in why you chose to work on a nomad over other similar bikes.
    The answer seems rather obvious after reading this

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    HAHAHAHAHA, the second Nomad with a Rocco (edit: ho no it's not a Rocco)!

    Darren, put aside a kit of this red bearing kit, I want one. You can't refuse that to me, I mean, I was the first one to buy a Red Rocco Nomad, I WAAAAANT those red bearing caps on mine, pleeeeeeease. (edit: are you going to offer tuning/service on the Rocco?)
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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! Holy Soiled Pants!

    Quote Originally Posted by PUSHIND
    And if you could only see what we've got inside of it!

    You sick bastard!

    You will sell those kits quickly.
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    Wheelset???

    I gotta beleive the RED Industry Nine wheelset/spokes/hubs are going to show up on this Nomad next. This Nomad needs to go to the Smithsonian!

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    Darren, will you be tuning Boxxers any time soon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BanzaiRider
    . (edit: are you going to offer tuning/service on the Rocco?)
    Yes, they are planning on doing the Rocco. Shouldn't take all that long either as a lot of the parts are similar to what they've developed for the DHX.

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    I dunno..... looks kinda dangerous.....
    This is definitely an awesome build.

    I'm watching carefully for the Push guys to start tuning DHX-Air shocks.... I'd gladly ride a rigid 'cycle while I wait for my DHX to get Push'ed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bombardier
    I dunno..... looks kinda dangerous.....
    This is definitely an awesome build.

    I'm watching carefully for the Push guys to start tuning DHX-Air shocks.... I'd gladly ride a rigid 'cycle while I wait for my DHX to get Push'ed.
    I second that

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    Okay, this is yet another push stringing us along thread. Got it. What is the big deal? They tune shocks and forks. Great. But why is everyone hangin on D's nuts for posting pictures. Any one of you can send off your alloy bits and have them anodized ($150-200 lot charge). Hell, if you are really creative you can do anodizing in the garage Also, why all the props for a stripped down dhx? Where are the adjusters for boost and platform??

    Don't get me wrong. I hear that Push does a hell of a job tuning to individuals needs And that Nomad build is looking tight..

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    Quote Originally Posted by dscot420
    Where are the adjusters for boost and platform?..
    oh man...good eye! I was going to send my DHX in to get PUSHed, but I might have to reconsider now!!

    Oh wait...it's already at PUSH - too late!

    Seriously tho I think what PUSH (Darren) is doing is cool. There is more into these type of projects than simple anodized parts. I’ve gotten all my Fox Dampers tuned by PUSH, but not before having ridden them stock first to compare (e.g. Pre vs Post Pushed).

    I love my PUSHed products and will support them any way I can. Ever since his days at Romic, Darren has been very instrumental helping me better understand suspensions – he was also kind enough to let me try some prototype stuff like a new rebound circuit that he had done for the Romic Twin Tube shock. I felt like the rebound wasn’t constant and at times inexistent. His new rebound circuit fixed the problem I had. So even before he started PUSH I was a strong believer in Darren’s work.

    Dunno about you, but I would rather be what he’s doing instead of being stuck in an office 9 to 15 hours a day!

    Ask pretty much anyone that has had the pleasure of running a PUSH damper - most of them will tell you that it improved the ride quality/performance of their bike. Also being associated with The Syndicate team this year mean that there will be more cool stuff coming down the pipe! In a way it’s like the RockShox BB program – test the product with the top racers then release it to consumers.

    Power to PUSH...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bombardier
    I dunno..... looks kinda dangerous.....
    This is definitely an awesome build.

    I'm watching carefully for the Push guys to start tuning DHX-Air shocks.... I'd gladly ride a rigid 'cycle while I wait for my DHX to get Push'ed.
    Don't hold your breath, my understanding is that they have no plans tune the DHX-Air, only the coil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dscot420
    Also, why all the props for a stripped down dhx? Where are the adjusters for boost and platform??
    Because the "stripped down" Push'ed DHX with no boost valve assembly rides FAR better than the stock shock. There's a LOT more going on inside there than meets the eye. And I'm not even on the latest version, the final production version is even better than the prototype I'm on now.

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    Good. I would hope there is more going on than just removing external adjustments and slappin a Push decal on

    Information is great. Speculation on spy photos is bad. Mmmmkay. I remember when Tune rebadged a Rohloff last year and everyone assumed it was magically lighter since it had the Tune branding on it. I like bike porn as much if not more than the next guy. But I wouldn't go propping something just because I saw a picture of it. Maybe I am just old fashioned that way

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    New question here. Why no PUSH DHXair?!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ventanarama
    Don't hold your breath, my understanding is that they have no plans tune the DHX-Air, only the coil.
    Really?! I wonder whats up with that... The DHXair is a popular shock on the Nomad. Sure it's had it's issues too, but I'd think it merits a PUSHing.
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    Almost Done

    Well, its almost complete. RD cable, final adjustment on the stem height, and a brake bleed and we're good.

    Here the specs:

    -Large Nomad Frame with PUSH Factory Pivot Pins and Red Ano bearing caps
    -Rock Shox Boxxer U-Turn with PUSH Factory 360 Maxle, PUSH Factory Motion Control, PUSH Factory Ti Hardware Kit, PUSH Factory Rebound Rod, PUSH Factory Bottoming Control
    -Red King Headset
    -PUSH Factory Team Edition Fox DHX rear damper with Ti Spring, Vault Housing, VxR2 Piston assembly, adjustable VxCR compression valve, and Factory Bump Stop System
    -DT 440/340 hubset, 14/15 DT spokes, DT Red Ano Nipples, DT 6.1 hoops
    -Kenda Nevegal F/R rubber
    -Avid Juicy 7's with Goodridge lines, Red Alloy fittings, and Red caliper carriers
    -Thomson Post/WTB Saddle
    -Race Face Deus Bar/Stem
    -XO Shifters with custom Red perches
    -XO Rear Der.
    -XT Ft. Der
    -Truvative Stylo Crank/BB
    -Misc PUSH Factory Ti Hardware throughout

    Basically this is going to be a pretty fun project bike that we're going to build a few things for......should be fun!

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    Good job! Daaaaaaamn

    Quote Originally Posted by PUSHIND
    Basically this is going to be a pretty fun project bike that we're going to build a few things for......should be fun!
    Thats the understatement of the day. That thing is hot.

    What are the advantages of your pivot pins? I'm building my Nomad up and I know little about the pivots other then I need to keep an eye and an ear on them...
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    I am more interested in why you chose to work on a nomad over other similar bikes.
    It actually wasn't because of the Syndicate Program. I actually wanted one after riding my buddies here in town. Hats off to Rob and the gang at SC for getting one in our hands though!

    Darren, put aside a kit of this red bearing kit, I want one
    We're probably going to offer them based on the response. I'm having the NC shop quote them right now. We'll offer them in different colors.

    edit: are you going to offer tuning/service on the Rocco?)
    As Larry mentioned, yup. Parts are in production....looking like May.

    Darren, will you be tuning Boxxers any time soon?
    Yup, keep an eye on the site next month.

    Also, why all the props for a stripped down dhx
    Based on what we do, you thought the DHX woudl be stock?

    What are the advantages of your pivot pins
    They're just lighter. Much like the front hub axle in the above photo, the pins are post machined to reduce weight were we can get away with it.

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    Very Nice...

    Damn... you folks at PUSH do know how to *BLING* a ride out.

    Looking at THAT bike just wants to make a me go ride. That rear shock looks mighty nice as well. Maybe Darren can chime in and give some pointers on how to tweak the DHX air from blowing through all it's travel too quickly (If there are any). I've fiddled with it enough and maybe it's just time suck it up and get a coil.


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    ... and if we just ... push: Daren

    How much does this bike weigh? Does the boxxer rake the front end too much or not really compared to a 36 talas. How much travel does this boxxer get and can boxxers reduce their travel?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PUSHIND
    We're probably going to offer them based on the response. I'm having the NC shop quote them right now. We'll offer them in different colors.
    You can put my name immediately on the wait list for a "PUSH Factory Pivot Pins and Red Ano bearing caps" kit. I'll send you an email with my coordinates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by benja55
    Really?! I wonder whats up with that... The DHXair is a popular shock on the Nomad. Sure it's had it's issues too, but I'd think it merits a PUSHing.
    I agree 100%. If any shock needs PUSHing its the DHX air, it has the potential to be a great shock but somethings just not right. It blows through its travel and if your over 200lbs you need to run like 275psi just to get the sag dialed(w/ a max of 300psi).I'm also surprised to see they won't be working on the Fox 36.

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    Hey Darren,

    You'll be happy to know that your double secret seal/wiper setup on my Float 130 is holding up nicely.

    Will you have this pin kit available for Blurs and Frees also?
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    Should one order a Nomad with DHX coil, or are you also going to offer Your own DHX coil and not just the kit?

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    Darren,

    will it matter what type of dhx shock you have (3.0 vs 4.0 vs 5.0) or will they all undergo the exact same tuning and then be essentially the same shock?

    that nomad looks sweet... to say the least

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    What are the performance differences between the PUSHed Roco and the PUSHed DHX? And why are you tempting me to buy so much

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    How much does this bike weigh?
    34lbs 2 oz currently, but that'll drop by about a pound once I adjust a couple of things.

    Does the boxxer rake the front end too much or not really compared to a 36 talas.
    The fork is a 7" travel U-Turn and is set with about the same A-C as a Vanilla 36.

    You can put my name immediately on the wait list for a "PUSH Factory Pivot Pins and Red Ano bearing caps" kit. I'll send you an email with my coordinates.
    LOL, got your email.

    You'll be happy to know that your double secret seal/wiper setup on my Float 130 is holding up nicely.
    I was wondering, but the fact that I hadn't heard from you clued me in.

    Will you have this pin kit available for Blurs and Frees also?
    We're looking into a few things at this point.

    Should one order a Nomad with DHX coil, or are you also going to offer Your own DHX coil and not just the kit
    Either. If you're getting a new frame it might be easier to get it with the bike.

    will it matter what type of dhx shock you have (3.0 vs 4.0 vs 5.0) or will they all undergo the exact same tuning and then be essentially the same shock?
    We'll have packages for all of the DHX-Coil Models.

    What are the performance differences between the PUSHed Roco and the PUSHed DHX?
    The kits are similar. The DHX is just a lot lighter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PUSHIND
    The kits are similar. The DHX is just a lot lighter.

    Darren
    So, is there a point to buying the ROCO over the DHX? Or is it mainly for people that already have the ROCO that want it to be better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PUSHIND
    34lbs 2 oz currently, but that'll drop by about a pound once I adjust a couple of things.

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    The big question, sounds like you like the ride of the Nomad. Being a suspension guru and a guy that will probably only ride a bike that performs well and has lots of upgrade-itus possibilities, Can you fill us in with your thoughts of the Nomads performance?
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    heavier oil

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty D
    Damn... you folks at PUSH do know how to *BLING* a ride out.

    Looking at THAT bike just wants to make a me go ride. That rear shock looks mighty nice as well. Maybe Darren can chime in and give some pointers on how to tweak the DHX air from blowing through all it's travel too quickly (If there are any). I've fiddled with it enough and maybe it's just time suck it up and get a coil.


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    I've posted here in SC forum about a cheap solution that seems to work well: switch from stock oil to 10w. Fiddling with BA adjustment and BV pressure after the oil change produces interesting results

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    Can you fill us in with your thoughts of the Nomads performance
    I haven't ridden it just yet....looking like tommorow. As I mentioned previously, I did do a short stint on a friends and was stoked on the geometry.

    I've posted here in SC forum about a cheap solution that seems to work well: switch from stock oil to 10w.
    I'm not sure how this would have any effect on the performance of the shock? Seeing how the IFP height is absolutely critical in the DHX dampers, having this calibrated slightly in either direction is probably what you're sensing.

    Darren

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    PUSH factory pivot pins and reliability...

    Darren, any chance these things will improve reliability in this area, or decrease problems and/or maintenence vs the stock SC pivots?

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    Any more updates on this beast?
    Yamaha & Paiste, weapons of mass percussion

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    Darren, any chance these things will improve reliability in this area, or decrease problems and/or maintenence vs the stock SC pivots?
    My first VPP bike, so I don't have any experience with this.

    Any more updates on this beast?
    Soon.....Unfortunately, my schedule this week has been jacked, so I sent the bike over to Larry @ MHC for brake bleed, rear cable housing and adjust. I'll have it back next week, and will begin riding/tweaking it from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PUSHIND
    My first VPP bike, so I don't have any experience with this.

    Soon.....Unfortunately, my schedule this week has been jacked, so I sent the bike over to Larry @ MHC for brake bleed, rear cable housing and adjust. I'll have it back next week, and will begin riding/tweaking it from there.

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    Sent over to Larry? LOL's well Squeaky will be on it for several weeks after Larry, then off to Crash-the-dog for a Moab cruise, after that it will most likely be sent up to Alaska for a month long bashing then down to Georgia for some spring trail testing from SS and then just perhaps you will get it back!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PUSHIND
    As I mentioned previously, I did do a short stint on a friends and was stoked on the geometry.
    Now that's a lie. Friends don't let friends ride Nomads
    Nothing to see here.

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    Sent over to Larry? LOL's well Squeaky will be on it for several weeks after Larry, then off to Crash-the-dog for a Moab cruise, after that it will most likely be sent up to Alaska for a month long bashing then down to Georgia for some spring trail testing from SS and then just perhaps you will get it back!
    I actually drained the oil from the shock (no lie) so that it couldn't be ridden.....I trust Larry, but you never know about the rif-raf that might show up at his place (insert squeaky)

    Now that's a lie. Friends don't let friends ride Nomads
    Tell me you don't want to swing a leg over my Nomad!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PUSHIND
    Tell me you don't want to swing a leg over my Nomad!

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    Nope! But I'll try out the Pack - if I could even swing my Smurf leg that high
    Nothing to see here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drumstix
    Sent over to Larry? LOL's well Squeaky will be on it for several weeks after Larry, then off to Crash-the-dog for a Moab cruise, after that it will most likely be sent up to Alaska for a month long bashing then down to Georgia for some spring trail testing from SS and then just perhaps you will get it back!
    That's if Tscheezy doesn't find a way to break it! hahahaha

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    Now this is funny. We were this ==><== close to sneaking down to the bike storage room in the Moab hotel back in October to swap out the MC damper in the Push Papparazi's Pike and see if he even noticed the lack of Flavor Crystals.
    My video techniques can be found in this thread.

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    Now this is funny. We were this ==><== close to sneaking down to the bike storage room in the Moab hotel back in October to swap out the MC damper in the Push Papparazi's Pike and see if he even noticed the lack of Flavor Crystals.
    What's funny is that Squeaky actually thinks we did something to it!

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    Sweet Ride !!!!!!!!

    Ya it looks nice and rides even better but it's still not as fun as my MOTO

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    Any updates to this thread from Darren?

    Specifically thoughts about the Nomad vs. 6 Pack?

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