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    PUSH linkage for Nomad 2 and Butcher

    Looks like they've broken cover with the linkages they teased at Interbike.

    http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php...8.184214282102

    Now we wait for more info on what they're changing, why and what we can expect from the ride.
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    I think they cracked VPP, I read somewhere that for many years, they were not very enthusiastic about VPP. Maybe through redesigning the upper link, they were able to alter or "neutralize" the shock rate to something allowed them to customize and modify characteristics to their liking.

    From my understanding, Push has really been concentrating on the Nomad Carbon, and maybe took the approach differently and the key was in the upper linkage. I am intrested to see how their links and custom shocks will change the riding characteristic for VPP bikes.
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    That link on the butcher definitely looks longer than the stock one.

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    Very interesting indeed...
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    Looks like they increased the nomad's travel, since the shock bolt distance appears longer. Look at the lower shock bolt - it is much closer to the rear triangle than stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricardo12
    Looks like they increased the nomad's travel, since the shock bolt distance appears longer. Look at the lower shock bolt - it is much closer to the rear triangle than stock.
    no it's the same travel from what I hear

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    I read somewhere that for many years, they were not very enthusiastic about VPP
    Not true. We're big fans of SantaCruz bikes and VPP and have been riding them for years.

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    I've been bursting at the seams not saying anything about this when Mr. Murphy mentioned them to me.
    "It looks flexy"

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    Dear Darren

    Have my ****ing babies you brilliant mad scientist.
    Stuff.

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    Hey Darren,

    Thanks again for your help with my Monarch...quick ride around the parking lot and it seems sweet...cant wait for my days off this week!!!

    Todd

    ps...if you ever re-do a link on the MK1 Nomad Ill probably just buy it for fun...awesome!

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    So, functionally, what do the links change? Longer stroke shock and lower leverage rate? Different leverage rate curve?

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    Depending on where the shock mount in degrees and distance/length in relation to where the seatstays attach to the link can change the leverage rate like you said, but also the shock rate (speed it up or slow it down); the amount of travel; the shock curve in general..really it can change the way the bike rides as a whole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dubdryver
    Depending on where the shock mount in degrees and distance/length in relation to where the seatstays attach to the link can change the leverage rate like you said, but also the shock rate (speed it up or slow it down); the amount of travel; the shock curve in general..really it can change the way the bike rides as a whole.
    I'm fully aware of what is possible by changing the links, I'm just wondering what they specifically modified.

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    Only ones that probably know is Push Ind. My guess is they hold a mini electric motor like the one Fabian Cancellara is rumored to have..or maybe a cute little bunny that get the chicks 60% of the time every time...but then again, I am the worst guesser in the world.
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    Only ones that probably know is Push Ind. My guess is they hold a mini electric motor like the one Fabian Cancellara is rumored to have..or maybe a cute little bunny that get the chicks 60% of the time every time...but then again, I am the worst guesser in the world.
    I heard they brew coffee for you pre-ride, and then a nice cold beer post-ride.

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    I'd settle for an extra inch of BB height.

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    Push linkage for Nomad.

    Let me google that for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k1creeker
    I'd settle for an extra inch of BB height.
    I'd settle for a quarter inch less BB height.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endomaniac
    I'd settle for a quarter inch less BB height.
    Same here. You can have your 15" BB height

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    Really? I'm smacking pedals all the time. I must be running too much sag, or it's a geographic thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k1creeker
    Really? I'm smacking pedals all the time. I must be running too much sag, or it's a geographic thing.
    I hit my pedals from time to time, but not all that often - 2x a ride? 3x? All the time, IMO, is 40x or something like that in 2 hours.

    Personally, with stock linkage, I feel like the Nomad needs less than 30% sag. Somewhere between 25 to 30 for AM riding. Just seems like if you run less it gets wallowy and if you run more it's way too tight riding. 27%ish seems to hit the suspension curve just right (for me, on my trails) for my usual 2400 ft of climb and descent.

    I can see how if you ran 30+% how it would wallow around in the mid and deeper parts of the travel and you would end up with a lot of pedal strikes.

    Which leads us to the Push linkage. The stock shock rate looks like an upside-down U-shape to play nicely with air shocks, and in my opinion, especially with the DHX air. I have no idea what the Push shock rate looks like but I'm gonna guess it's not an upside down U-shape.
    "It looks flexy"

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    Quote Originally Posted by k1creeker
    Really? I'm smacking pedals all the time. I must be running too much sag, or it's a geographic thing.
    I've been riding mtb since around '95..not to say I know anything at all, but I really am not understanding this complaint. Are people actually smacking their pedals on the ground or is it just hitting pedals on rocks or tight technical sections where its either pedal, tap and maintain momentum, or plane out the pedals and loose momentum and maybe not clear the section?

    The only time I ever had problems with pedal smacks excluding dealing with technical terrain is when I used big platform pedals, and occassionally smacked one while leaning...but through improving my riding technique, its second nature to have the inside pedal (while turning) at the 12 o'clock position, and the outside pedal at the 6 o'clock, and I only ride clipless now..don't feel secure on the bike w/o it.

    Trying to figure out what all these BB height/ pedal tap relationship is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogboy
    Same here. You can have your 15" BB height
    My VP-Free had 15 1/2" BB height, felt like I was on top of a step ladder! When I got my new Nomad, I think I hit every rock in the state, now that I am used to it, the lower BB just rocks!

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    Hmmm.



    Will have to see how this all unfolds

    PS would like the slight drop in bb height.

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    I have heard more travel but less plush.
    This is just hearsay. Darren will clear it up shortly.

    Maybe.

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    Just put a 8.75" shock on yer nomad2 and abracadabra.... you have more travel and a higher bb.

    Been running one on my '08 nomad1.5 with lots of smiles.

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    Any plans for make this for a 08 Nomad MK I? I'd be interested if it provides more travel. I can always get the MX Tune at the same time, and make it ride a bit more plush

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    I have heard more travel but less plush.
    This is just hearsay. Darren will clear it up shortl
    We are definitely NOT in the business of "less plush" unless someone was to specificaly ask for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PUSHIND
    We are definitely NOT in the business of "less plush" unless someone was to specificaly ask for it.

    Darren

    pretty sure the nomad 2 couldn't get any less plush if you wanted it to...
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    Dear Push Industries,

    Please machine a bottle opener onto your awesome new link. I would like to place an unopened cold one at the link whilst riding over a bump at speed and so the cap will magically be removed.

    Yours Sincerely,
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    Dear Push Industries,

    Please machine a bottle opener onto your awesome new link. I would like to place an unopened cold one at the link whilst riding over a bump at speed and so the cap will magically be removed.

    Yours Sincerely,
    Thirsty Shredder
    I don't want an opener on the link shredding your leg while you ride, but I might be able to interest you in one of these?

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    PUSHIND, now thats just pushing the boundries...but I like it!

    Since we aren't going to be able to pry any answers out of the Push in this thread..and since my theories are never right..ill start another rumor.

    I heard push is working on a titanium link that lowers the gross weight of your bike by 20%, increases the travel by atleast 120mm w/o any consequence of ridability...or so I heard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tboned
    Just put a 8.75" shock on yer nomad2 and abracadabra.... you have more travel and a higher bb.

    Been running one on my '08 nomad1.5 with lots of smiles.

    Did that on my nomad, (CCDB off of my VP Free), and it never felt as good as th VP Free did. Too XCish not slack enough for my taste. Lord knowz I gave it a shot, after a couple of yrz i went back to th VP Free & yes it does smack th pedals & crank arms way more but itz so much better for my kinda riding.

    BTW Darren feel free to pm me bout one'o them fancy bottle openerz, I'd like to take one "round th block" and see what it'll do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PUSHIND
    I don't want an opener on the link shredding your leg while you ride, but I might be able to interest you in one of these?

    Darren



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    You could mount a bottle opener to my Lyric...oh wait, they don't do Lyrics

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    Quote Originally Posted by PUSHIND
    I don't want an opener on the link shredding your leg while you ride, but I might be able to interest you in one of these?

    Darren
    Want.

    How would one obtain?

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    I ride a Butcher, it wouldn't be politically correct if I didn't mangle and donate a little flesh in the process!

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    Oooh, anodized now. My silver versions are working just fine, and I don't have to flip my Heckler around any more.

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    OK, now you did it. I guess the answer for most on this thread is yes.


    Quote Originally Posted by PUSHIND
    I don't want an opener on the link shredding your leg while you ride, but I might be able to interest you in one of these?

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    "It looks flexy"

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    Quote Originally Posted by thrasher_s
    You could mount a bottle opener to my Lyric...oh wait, they don't do Lyrics
    Hmmmm... And yet there is a Lyric on that Nomad. Wonder if that means anything.

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    Maybe they do the Lyrik
    "It looks flexy"

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    So the PUSH Icon bottle openers were a gift that we gave out to people who attended our World Bicycle Relief, www.worldbicyclerelief.org, party this past spring. It's a great cause that we, with the help of our customers, were able to raise a lot of money for.

    It was pretty cool because not only were people stoked to get it, but we were machining them live on our CNC mill for people to see. For those of you who've never seen an automated CNC run in person, it's pretty neat stuff.

    Anyway, we've got maybe 100 left over and it seems like you guys have some interest. Would anyone be into paying $10 to have one shipped postal to you with %100 of the proceeds going to World Bicycle Relief?

    Bit of a thread derailment, but WBR is something we here at PUSH believe in. If nothing else, swing by their site and have a look.

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    Yes - paypal?
    "It looks flexy"

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    In. Pm sent.
    this is a great idea.
    Win win for everybody!!!!
    And it goes to a great cause.
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    What does it do though? DEAR GOD WHAT DOES IT DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO?????????????!?!?!?!?!?!?!!? !?one!?!?1/!/1!


    Hey Darren, any plans for a nomad-tuned Rc4?
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    What does it do though? DEAR GOD WHAT DOES IT DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO?????????????!?!?!?!?!?!?!!? !?one!?!?1/!/1!
    It opens bottled beverages that don't have a twist top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PUSHIND
    So the PUSH Icon bottle openers were a gift that we gave out to people who attended our World Bicycle Relief, www.worldbicyclerelief.org, party this past spring. It's a great cause that we, with the help of our customers, were able to raise a lot of money for.

    It was pretty cool because not only were people stoked to get it, but we were machining them live on our CNC mill for people to see. For those of you who've never seen an automated CNC run in person, it's pretty neat stuff.

    Anyway, we've got maybe 100 left over and it seems like you guys have some interest. Would anyone be into paying $10 to have one shipped postal to you with %100 of the proceeds going to World Bicycle Relief?



    Darren

    I WOULD SO be willing, heck I'll send you $30 for 3 of them!! Tell me how and its DONE! Thats an awesome cause and so great of you guys to be supporting it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PUSHIND
    So the PUSH Icon bottle openers were a gift that we gave out to people who attended our World Bicycle Relief, www.worldbicyclerelief.org, party this past spring. It's a great cause that we, with the help of our customers, were able to raise a lot of money for.

    It was pretty cool because not only were people stoked to get it, but we were machining them live on our CNC mill for people to see. For those of you who've never seen an automated CNC run in person, it's pretty neat stuff.

    Anyway, we've got maybe 100 left over and it seems like you guys have some interest. Would anyone be into paying $10 to have one shipped postal to you with %100 of the proceeds going to World Bicycle Relief?

    Bit of a thread derailment, but WBR is something we here at PUSH believe in. If nothing else, swing by their site and have a look.

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    That Team Issue Vivid Air looks interesting on the Butcher.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by PUSHIND
    Anyway, we've got maybe 100 left over and it seems like you guys have some interest. Would anyone be into paying $10 to have one shipped postal to you with %100 of the proceeds going to World Bicycle Relief?
    Happy to pay a smidge extra to post it out to Australia. Let me know how to pay.

    Also happy to pay you to PUSH my Lyrik (with a 'K'), but prob once I source a backup fork (maybe Totem for lift/shuttle days) so I'm not without bike for the several weeks of transit.

    Actually - I heard that DirtWorks in Australia were doing PUSH work these days? Can they do my Lyrik? Will they offer these linkages and the Monarch RT3 we saw a while ago?

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