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    No new VP Free now what?

    I've been riding a 2007 bullit and love my bike but after riding a couple buddies vp bikes I was really hoping that SC would do an updated VP free for 09. Now that the interbike coverage is up I see 1. No bullit 2. No new VP free bike. What are the odds that SC will introduce a new VP free sometime after interbike?

    I'm really considering a used vp free but was really hoping for a 1.5 headtube (so I can transfer my domain 318 over) and a ISCG mount so I can try hammerschmit. Does anybody else think it's weird that SC didn't see this as a necessary bike to bring to market?

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    keep watching rumours of a V8 are swirling around with talk of a spring launch

    long time to wait though - have you seen the new uzzi!

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    Now what?
    We ride our current kick-ass VP-Free's!
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    Quote Originally Posted by munkyboy
    keep watching rumours of a V8 are swirling around with talk of a spring launch

    long time to wait though - have you seen the new uzzi!
    There are only 2 prototype Uzzis... so they are still a ways off from production aand thus availability. If there are no prototypes of a new VPF yet, it does not seem possible there would even be anything in production before the middle of '09. This is assuming that SC even has any plans for a new VPF.

    What to do? I'll most likely find a used VPF, saving myself a good chunk of cash, and call it good for a year (or more).

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    now what???
    Quit waiting and buy a Blindside.... or a blow-up girlfriend

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    Quote Originally Posted by munkyboy
    keep watching rumours of a V8 are swirling around with talk of a spring launch

    long time to wait though - have you seen the new uzzi!
    From a vp-free owner, that new UZZI is nice!!!!

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    Nah more like Sea Otter 09 - probably in the final stages before they settle on the what goes to production I'd say

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    It would be really cool if we saw the prototype stages, were included on the build, and could give rider feed back on the build.

    Sounds like this bike is more about world cup racing than a real second generation vpfree. If this bike really is just a smaller v10 I don't know why they would even pull the vp-free.
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    Does anyone outside of SC (and probably therefore being kept quiet) actually know whats going on with this bike? I doubt it'll be a world cup bike, thats what the V10 is for. I expect a long travel freeride bike like the Uzzi.

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    I know

    we hound them with email and phone calls about the new free, they submit and release some spy shots

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    maybe there will be two - a v8 and a SS type ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by art23
    There are only 2 prototype Uzzis... so they are still a ways off from production aand thus availability. If there are no prototypes of a new VPF yet, it does not seem possible there would even be anything in production before the middle of '09. This is assuming that SC even has any plans for a new VPF.

    What to do? I'll most likely find a used VPF, saving myself a good chunk of cash, and call it good for a year (or more).
    There is at least one proto, it has been spotted at Whistler by many, why there are no phone pics is anyone's guess.

    It is as rumoured a scaled down V-10 type machine. We'll just have to be patient and see it when its ready.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BiGWaVeDave

    I'm really considering a used vp free but was really hoping for a 1.5 headtube (so I can transfer my domain 318 over)
    Emm, the later VPs do have 1.5" headtubes do they not?

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    sure do... my mates is a 1.5!

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    Response from Santa Cruz:
    "The VP-Free has been discontinued but we're working on a project to replace."

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    VP-Free

    I would stick with the current VP as its more than capable and to be honest as they say if its not broken, dont fix it!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by profile
    Emm, the later VPs do have 1.5" headtubes do they not?
    I think there's only a handful of those. When I was looking into getting a free last fall, that's what I was told.

    Supposedly one of the last batches of Free's made had a 1.5" headtube, 83mm bottom bracket, and ISCG tabs, IIRC.


    EDIT: BTW, I've only ever seen one of these frames, and it was on ebay and still went for a pretty penny even used, FWIW.
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    I was at my LBS yesterday and asked (again) about the new VP Free. The answer I got was Spring, although he wasnt to sure about the exact timing.....

    That said I was downhilling on my Free today after changing all the pivot bearings and it's still an awesome bike..
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    I have seen the V-8. It looks like a mini V-10 with a hydro-formed downtube. Trust me there won't be a single complaint when you see it. It rides so good!
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    Do you think the bike will be as freeride-ish? It seems like most people's needs would be met with high 6" to low 7" of travel, lower weight, and lower bottom bracket rather than a true meat hucking machine (though the current free is not a super heavy frame).

    I think the new Uzzi proto is a good example of this--basically a burly trail bike with a bit of extra travel and a degree or so slacker than the typical AM bike. I would personally love to see the new free be just a little "bigger" than the Nomad, rather than another 8" beast.

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    Now I've got my Free down to a sensible BB height, I know what I want the new Free to be. For me, I do want that scaled down V-10. I realise thats not what everyone wants from it, but I don't want or need a 10" travel bike. I think the Nomad covers the all day freeride bike quite nicely, and I don't see the need for a jacked-up Nomad either.
    Lower BB, slack angles and ISCG05 on the BB for either Hammerschimdt or chain device please!

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    so...i got the new video, This is australia...and i believe there's someone riding a v8. some kid that also rides dirtbikes and 4wheelers. It looked like a v10 but he was running a totem and when he was riding, it just looked smaller. Is that the v8???

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    K, this is getting ridiculous.

    Somebody post a spy picture already!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nmpearson
    so...i got the new video, This is australia...and i believe there's someone riding a v8. some kid that also rides dirtbikes and 4wheelers. It looked like a v10 but he was running a totem and when he was riding, it just looked smaller. Is that the v8???
    Link?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudd
    Link?
    it's a documentary about dh riders from australia...go out and buy it. it was just released and a pretty dang good movie. it made me realize how freakin awesome rennie is. he throws down

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete-G
    Now I've got my Free down to a sensible BB height, I know what I want the new Free to be. For me, I do want that scaled down V-10. I realise thats not what everyone wants from it, but I don't want or need a 10" travel bike. I think the Nomad covers the all day freeride bike quite nicely, and I don't see the need for a jacked-up Nomad either.
    Lower BB, slack angles and ISCG05 on the BB for either Hammerschimdt or chain device please!
    One thing that I realised the other day is that if the new Free or V8 if sort of like a V10 (interrupted seat tube design)...it could be run with a Crank Brothers Joplin seatpost.
    This would overcome lots of the worries people that have to pedal the bike sometimes..
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    Quote Originally Posted by nmpearson
    it's a documentary about dh riders from australia...go out and buy it. it was just released and a pretty dang good movie. it made me realize how freakin awesome rennie is. he throws down
    Which video is it then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmpearson
    so...i got the new video, This is australia...and i believe there's someone riding a v8. some kid that also rides dirtbikes and 4wheelers. It looked like a v10 but he was running a totem and when he was riding, it just looked smaller. Is that the v8???
    No. You're talking about either Rhys Willemse or Shaun O'Connor. Rhys was on an old red/black VP-Free with Totems or Boxxers depending on the scene, Shaun was on a V10 with Totems.

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    Anybody....

    Quote Originally Posted by rscecil007
    I think there's only a handful of those. When I was looking into getting a free last fall, that's what I was told.

    Supposedly one of the last batches of Free's made had a 1.5" headtube, 83mm bottom bracket, and ISCG tabs, IIRC.


    EDIT: BTW, I've only ever seen one of these frames, and it was on ebay and still went for a pretty penny even used, FWIW.
    Does anybody have one of these newer production frames for sale in a Large, with the 1.5 HT, ISCG and 83mm BB. I just saw a brand new small green one on ebay.

    From a personal preference standpoint I sure hope the new bike doesn't look like a scaled down v-10. I personally like the look of the old vp-free, similarly I also like the look of the Socom and Uzzi. All these swoopy curvy bikes that are coming out remind me of some kind of college design project gone wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sov
    No. You're talking about either Rhys Willemse or Shaun O'Connor. Rhys was on an old red/black VP-Free with Totems or Boxxers depending on the scene, Shaun was on a V10 with Totems.
    yeah it was shaun...well i caught the vision anyway. it looked different than the v10 and i was stoked because the tt looked shorter and also the wheelbase looked shorter

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    Ah, I don't want it to look like the V10, just the angles with a couple of inches lopped off the travel. I'd prefer it to look like the old Free thanks. Socom is my dream bike, just can't afford one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmpearson
    so...i got the new video, This is australia...and i believe there's someone riding a v8. some kid that also rides dirtbikes and 4wheelers. It looked like a v10 but he was running a totem and when he was riding, it just looked smaller. Is that the v8???
    That kid is Rhys Willemse who was riding a VP Free with totems. He now rides for Tomac factory racing team.

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    Check Ebay

    There is a guy selling several new Vpp Free frames with a 1.5 headtube.

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    Hasn't SC released like 3 new VP bikes in the last year or 2. New V10, New nomad and the New LT. As well the bullet got an update a couple seasons ago
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    New V10,Nomad,BlurLT,Superlight,Heckler,Bullit and Jackal all in the last couple of years. Can't deny that the boys at SC have been busy of late. I'm sure a new Free will be along soon enough. Unless of course they're scrapping that line altogether?!?!

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    Old design

    Quote Originally Posted by cheloco
    There is a guy selling several new Vpp Free frames with a 1.5 headtube.
    Those are probably warranty replacement frames, as SC had made some in 1.5" headtube with the same design as the previous VP Free.

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    wait till you see the new blur
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    what new blur? 4x?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete-G
    New V10,Nomad,BlurLT,Superlight,Heckler,Bullit and Jackal all in the last couple of years. Can't deny that the boys at SC have been busy of late. I'm sure a new Free will be along soon enough. Unless of course they're scrapping that line altogether?!?!
    I think the days of VPfree type bikes is done. People have realized that 6-7 inches of travel i good enough for 99% of the trails you pedal up and pedals way better than a big FR bike. I'll put money that the new Free will be an 8 inch race bike
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    Quote Originally Posted by esquire
    Those are probably warranty replacement frames, as SC had made some in 1.5" headtube with the same design as the previous VP Free.
    Eh?

    There were plenty of 1.5" headtube Veeps around for retail sale. Dunno what this "uber rare" or "probably warranty replacement" cobblers is about. I've seen enough in the shops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by munkyboy
    what new blur? 4x?

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    Quote Originally Posted by themontashu
    I think the days of VPfree type bikes is done. People have realized that 6-7 inches of travel i good enough for 99% of the trails you pedal up and pedals way better than a big FR bike. I'll put money that the new Free will be an 8 inch race bike
    i agree completely. i think the need/market for a 7" or 8" aggro trail/fr bike is rare, and will be inferior in almost all situations to a good 6" bike. conversely, a "proper" downhill bike with 8 or more inches of travel will be much faster than a freeride bike. for this reason, i personally (and i used to own a vpfree) think FR bikes are neither here nor there and really only suited for a limited slice of riding that very few do on a regular basis. just my two cents though...

    if i were SC, i wouldn't even bother making a new vpfree, especially given the current economic climate.

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    To the OP, what's wrong with your Bullit? VPP isn't 100% perfect, either. IMO.

    Also, if you want to use the hammerschmit, word on the street is you should use it on a single pivot, not on a VPP/DW/Maestro linkage bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by munkyboy
    what new blur? 4x?
    No blur 4X, LT replaced both the old LT and the 4x
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    Quote Originally Posted by profile
    Eh?

    There were plenty of 1.5" headtube Veeps around for retail sale. Dunno what this "uber rare" or "probably warranty replacement" cobblers is about. I've seen enough in the shops.
    AFAIK the last year of VP production was the slightly modified version of the frame with the 1.5"HT and ISCG tabs.

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    I've owned both (several models too) and VPP > SP

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    so blur xc then,

    or a blur SS - that would be sweeet

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    mmmmm a carbon blur xc

    now that would be interesting

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