New Tallboy C came with WTB Frequency i19s, not TN719s

[IoC]

Hey all,

Just wanted to let you know that if you order a Tallboy C, you might not get the rims you expect. I picked up a stock SPX XC build last night and it had WTB Frequency Team i19 'Teams' instead of Mavic TN719s. Everything is laced to DT Swiss 350s as advertised.

Did some quick Googling and these rims are lighter than the TN719s and some earlier chatter in other mtbr forums calls them comparable to Arches but says they're stiffer and 'harder' (don't dent as easily). Haven't gone for a real ride yet, but some after some driveway sprints, they sure feel stiff.

Ditching the TN719s for Arches was going to be one of my first moves, so it sounds like SC is a step ahead of at least one of its customers.

[indyfab25]

Bout time. The TN719, while being a well built rim, is not marketable. No tubeless, not wide enough, and heavy.

[Stupendous Man]

Yep! Mine came from the LBS the same way. At first I was worried as the WTB quality was spotty, but these new I19s look very good so far.

[aoizip]

damn.. mine came with TN719 with DT350 hub. and i just picked it up 2 weeks ago.
owell... it gave me more reason to upgrade my wheelset.

[BigKidOnBike]

Yeah, me too. I've been thinking that I'm feeling a bit o flex back there on my C Tallboy. Just ordered some Easton EA 70s to test my theory. Really wanted some carbon Havens but cannot go that deep after just busting the piggy bank on this bike last summer.

[IoC]

Two days / 32mi of Pisgah on the i19s and I've got say they're pretty nice. It's probably a combo of the frame, the QR15 up front, and the wheelset, but this thing just tracks whatever line I ask for.

[KV69]

Just picked mine up today. Same thing, had the WTB i19.

[bog]

Originally Posted by BigKidOnBike

Yeah, me too. I've been thinking that I'm feeling a bit o flex back there on my C Tallboy. Just ordered some Easton EA 70s to test my theory. Really wanted some carbon Havens but cannot go that deep after just busting the piggy bank on this bike last summer.

The TBc has a flexy back end. Even Haven carbons didn't do much for the flex. You don't get a sub 6 lbs 29er frame by having burly tubes!

[hillharman]

Originally Posted by bog

The TBc has a flexy back end. Even Haven carbons didn't do much for the flex. You don't get a sub 6 lbs 29er frame by having burly tubes!

Flexy compared to what? The chain stays are an inch in diameter and it's one solid piece of carbon.

[bog]

Flexy compared to a Blur XCc, Niner RDO, Rocky Mtn MSL, Rocky Mtn Element 29, Rocky Mtn Altitude 29, Yeti SB-66, and a bunch of others that I've ridden. If you stand beside the bike, grab the top of the rear wheel in one hand and the seat tube in the other then push the wheel back and forth you'll know what I mean.

And no, the chainstays are not an inch in diameter. They may be pretty big at their midpoint but not where it really matters near the link.

[BigKidOnBike]

That flex test you are talking about? I did it and felt what you are talking about. I called SC on that. They said that is common to 29ers. Are you saying there is a F'S 29er out there that will not produce any such flex in the same test? I'd like to see that.

[bog]

You're obviously very sensitive about this so I'm sorry to have offended you.

Yes, there are a few FS 29er's that don't flex nearly this much. I named a couple of them in case you didn't read my post properly.

I own a TB and love it but it certainly has more flex in the back end than I'd like. The could have beefed up the lower link area quite a bit and gone with a 12x142 axle. The 12x142 made a heck of a difference on my SB-66 and surprise, surprise it is even a 26" wheeled bike!

[BigKidOnBike]

No worries bog! I suppose I am pretty touchy about this subject--I spent $5K on a bike. It's worth more than my daily driver. The research I conducted seemed to indicate it was about as stiff as a 29er could get. That being said, I do feel a bit embarassed to admit that I made a discovery the other day that has improved the situation already: I have been riding this new bike using pretty much the same cornering technique I used with my old Jekyll (i.e., sitting through corners once in a while). That is exactly where I would feel the 'wash out effect'/flex back there, especially when in the looser/muddy stuff. I finally realized that the leverage on that big hoop back there can be minimized if I get my butt of the saddle and disperse thatt weight to the BB. Major improvement. Now before you critics out there go and sling your arrows because off this 'late discovery', consider leaving it alone. Perhaps there are others who could learn from 'my mistake'.

[bog]

I found a very similar thing. I can corner on my Yeti with my weight back and really push the back end but I have to be farther forward on my TB to get it to carve better. The flex is especially apparent when I stuff the back end into a rooty corner and it kind of twangs out of it. It doesn't really bother me because it is my XC bike and built up pretty light. It still hauls.

[BigKidOnBike]

Right on. Couldn't agree with you more. The benefits far outweigh this shortcoming. The only thing is, when I demoe'd this bike at Duthie, the back end was rock hard consistent. I didn't feel a mm of flex and I was really looking for that. I guess part of it was the trails up there (lots of flowy bermy stuff) but the other thing is they were running Havens on those demo bikes. I thought they were carbon Havens, but when I called SC the other day they said no/they run the standard Havens on their demo days. Ride on!

[IoC]

Originally Posted by BigKidOnBike

I made a discovery the other day that has improved the situation already: I have been riding this new bike using pretty much the same cornering technique I used with my old Jekyll (i.e., sitting through corners once in a while)....I finally realized that the leverage on that big hoop back there can be minimized if I get my butt of the saddle and disperse thatt weight to the BB. Major improvement. Now before you critics out there go and sling your arrows because off this 'late discovery', consider leaving it alone. Perhaps there are others who could learn from 'my mistake'.

Heh, no arrows here. On Saturday I intentionally did a 9-mile climb on a switchbacked gravel road just to have dozens of turns to sort on some positioning, and I found out the same thing. I have to take a more forward and aggressive position on the Tallboy than I did on my LT. Once I started to get some muscle memory behind it, though, woohoo! - controlled drift city. (Except for the part where I almost missed the turn with one hell of a dropoff. That was almost messy short city.)

[kbell]

Stiffest bike I've ever owned!

[birdofallwinds]

I just got a dxc kit but upgraded to this whrelset. Looks pretty good so far. Ill post pics soon