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    Quote Originally Posted by xhailofgunfirex View Post
    Soo basically you are saying the Stigmata or Roadster is coming back? haha.
    Haha, nope, we'll all see in a week or so. Unfortunately I don't know the details on the cool new ones, but apparently 650b is going to take over the world.

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    What is the deal with these 150mm 29ers? Won't the head tube be so tall we'll have to run negative stems on them? I don't get the pull personally. I've been impressed with a couple 29ers, but I only really noticed a difference when it was a lower travel (80-100mm) though the rock gardens and small-chunk sections. Although I haven't rode a high travel 29er...

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    re: New Santa Cruz Bronson Bike?

    The TBLT seems to fill that 29er trail/all-mountain need. Might be my lack of experience but I can't see 10mm of travel making that much of a difference. I can see a 20-30mm travel increase being the case for calling it "completely different" if indeed its another 29er.

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    I'm convinced we are seeing a 650 in 10 days time. Therefore I will be placing an order for a TBLTc. That bike is nothing less than amazing. But I'd hate to order the black/orange now and they release new colors/graphics for it on or after when the new bike/bikes is debuted

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    Same boat here. Looking to upgrade my aluminum Nomad to a Nomadc. Hoping they release new colors. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnmark View Post
    So what is everyone's motivation for following this along so closely?

    I'm planning to buy a TBLTc and curious what's coming. If its 650b, I think I am still going 29", unless its something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT
    Sort of in the same boat.

    Actually, though, a 275 Nomad would be great for me. But, already having 29er wheels, forks, tires, and the need for that fast 29er roll on XCish rides, a TBLTc is hard to resist - and it will likely be my next bike this season.

    Ultimately having a two bike quiver with a TBLTc, and a 275 Nomad, would be ideal for what I ride.

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    I've got a Tallboy LTc, and yes it could still be a but plusher on the bigger high speed hits. I don't ride balls to the wall at all times like some do, but I still feel like the bike could have a bit more travel. For me however it wouldn't be worth it if this jeopardized the overall handling and climbing abilities of the bike. With the enduro 29er being released, unless the bike is a poor climber or something dramatic a longer travel 29er will be necessary for any bicycle manufacturer to compete. From what i gather, most with experience on 650b feel its different, and good, but not a game changer. Just my 0.2.

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    The 275 has a lot of small benefits you might not think of at first, but they do add up to make a significant difference in the ride characteristics compared to a big hoop.

    Not better than a 29, but definitely a different set of strengths that I can feel on th trail. Enough to want both a 29er and a 275.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danglingmanhood View Post
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    As in Charles or Pinchot?
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    New Santa Cruz Bronson Bike?-bronson.jpg


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    It's gotta be Charles, he was a bad@$$!

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    Guy over in the 650 forum saw the new issue of dirt rag. Santa Cruz add showing the new 150mm Bronson. What has been known and said here pages and pages ago.

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    That hasn't stopped speculation now, has it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by danglingmanhood View Post
    That hasn't stopped speculation now, has it?
    Speculation, gossip and complaining are sacred human rights.

    To be fair the whole goal of the SC 1 Apr mystery bike Ad campaign was to generate threads exactly like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vizsladog View Post
    Guy over in the 650 forum saw the new issue of dirt rag. Santa Cruz add showing the new 150mm Bronson. What has been known and said here pages and pages ago.
    Pics or it didn't happen....which means I'm going over to B&N after work

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    but what are the color options?!

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    vikb you are soooo right!

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    Man, To keep e-spec levels high:

    I deeply hope that the new Tallboy LTC color options, if there are, will be as rad as the current paint jobs. Love the yellow!

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    All I know is it is definitely carbon only
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    Where the hecks the seat! The new bike has no frickin seat!
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    re: New Santa Cruz Bronson Bike?

    Went by B&N with no luck on new magazines

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simpledesign View Post
    Went by B&N with no luck on new magazines

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    It will probably show up on store shelves on the 1st, and a few folks might get their issue in the mail the week before.
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    how are they going to make the seat tube logo look like a tin shed

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    It's called "Bronson" because "Blur TR LTc 650B" would be retarded.

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    Over in the 650B board they claim that the Bronson will be 275, lime green or black orange and 150mm. Someone saw two bikes on a trail somewhere.

    Man, that's some pretty overlapping lineup. Which is good as far as choice. But you know, if you can only have one you better think hard before committing.

    29 or 27,5?

    Will 650B be a straw fire. Or is it here to stay?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Znarf View Post
    Over in the 650B board they claim that the Bronson will be 275, lime green or black orange and 150mm. Someone saw two bikes on a trail somewhere.

    Man, that's some pretty overlapping lineup. Which is good as far as choice. But you know, if you can only have one you better think hard before committing.

    29 or 27,5?

    Will 650B be a straw fire. Or is it here to stay?

    You assume that the rest of the line up is to remain unchanged . . . I don't believe that to be the case. I think that slowly, SC is going to start thinning their lineup, starting with the the now classic BLT. I think the BLT and the BXC are soon to be discontinued. If they dump the BLT, then a 150mm 650b now makes sense.

    As for sticking around vs. straw fire? I have no idea, but I'm 100% certain people asked the same questions when 29" wheels were popping up
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    You're right. Good assumption.
    I think that there's a fair bit of overlap between the Bronson and the Tallboy LTC.
    You'll get the customers who want a 29er and those who want a 275er.
    Don't know what I'll get. Love the big wheels, do miss a tiny bit of flickability. Haven't ridden a Tallboy yet though. Just my Specialized 29ers and everyone just keeps raving how nimble both tallboys feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    You assume that the rest of the line up is to remain unchanged . . . I don't believe that to be the case. I think that slowly, SC is going to start thinning their lineup
    Agree, and it is something they need to do.

    In 2010-2012 SC had so many bikes that to me, it seemed their own product line was competing with one another. Many are/were outdated, especially considering how quickly things in the MTB world are currently evolving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXZJ View Post
    Agree, and it is something they need to do.

    In 2010-2012 SC had so many bikes that to me, it seemed their own product line was competing with one another. Many are/were outdated, especially considering how quickly things in the MTB world are currently evolving.
    Yeah, I'm guessing they don't sell a lot of Blur XCs.

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    Still, they just updated the BXC and the BLT so they must still be selling a bunch otherwise they wouldn't have touched them. What's the point paying to change the tooling to add a 12x142 axle to an XC bike otherwise?
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    Don't understand a word, but isn't the yellow TBLTC a sexy bike?

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    This rumor was renewed by someone "seeing" an ad that has been out for awhile, the "now for something completely different", and saying "I can totally see the 650b wheels!"

    Bunch of BS.
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    quick translation

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    Don't understand a word, but isn't the yellow TBLTC a sexy bike?
    Yes it's 27.5, and it's carbon. He says the 29er gives him great stability and grip (both in turns and climbs)

    can't wait to see the Bronson. My hope for a new bike soon would be a TB TRc. In between a TB and LTC

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    This rumor was renewed by someone "seeing" an ad that has been out for awhile, the "now for something completely different", and saying "I can totally see the 650b wheels!"

    Bunch of BS.
    The ad posted above is not the new ad. The new issue of Dirt Rag officially drops April 2, so it makes sense SC would have an ad with all of the details of the new bike in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bog View Post
    Still, they just updated the BXC and the BLT so they must still be selling a bunch otherwise they wouldn't have touched them. What's the point paying to change the tooling to add a 12x142 axle to an XC bike otherwise?
    Or its a last ditched effort to boost sales. Given the integration of the 142x12 standard across the remainder of their product line, to integrate it into the existing tooling was probably minimal expenditure. And had they not done so, it would have spelled certain death for those two frames. The BXC (especially the carbon, which is all thats left) was aimed specifically at the XC race crowd, and to the best of my knowledge, there is not one competitive pro-level racer still riding 26" wheels (on the XC circuit).
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    Good gawd....can't believe the readers here who just can't believe the bike is 650b. He didn't see the old ad. He saw a new add from dirt rags newest issue that has the new bike in it.

    It's 650b it's 150mm and its vpp........believe it.

    And just think,it was only in December that a guy who is freinds with a sc rep told him it was coming. I told you so......

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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    Or its a last ditched effort to boost sales. Given the integration of the 142x12 standard across the remainder of their product line, to integrate it into the existing tooling was probably minimal expenditure. And had they not done so, it would have spelled certain death for those two frames. The BXC (especially the carbon, which is all thats left) was aimed specifically at the XC race crowd, and to the best of my knowledge, there is not one competitive pro-level racer still riding 26" wheels (on the XC circuit).
    It's not all that easy to simply "integrate it into the existing tooling". You have to start by modifying the 3D model, produce drawings, have reviews, complete FEA, modify tooling, create prototypes, complete testing (lab and real world), ... just to bring a change like that to market. This has to be done of each model that is being updated.

    Up here the BXCc is probably more common than the TBc for racing and trail riding. Complete with a 120mm fork it is a great XC race and trail weapon for the steep ups and downs where the lighter weight and shorter wheelbase shine.

    Your wrong about nobody using 26" wheels for racing at the pro level. There are tons of racers left on 26ers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bog View Post
    It's not all that easy to simply "integrate it into the existing tooling". You have to start by modifying the 3D model, produce drawings, have reviews, complete FEA, modify tooling, create prototypes, complete testing (lab and real world), ... just to bring a change like that to market. This has to be done of each model that is being updated.

    Up here the BXCc is probably more common than the TBc for racing and trail riding. Complete with a 120mm fork it is a great XC race and trail weapon for the steep ups and downs where the lighter weight and shorter wheelbase shine.

    Your wrong about nobody using 26" wheels for racing at the pro level. There are tons of racers left on 26ers.
    The 142x12 dropout area is basically identical on all of the rear triangles. I think you may be overblowing the work involved in putting them in another frame.

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    You can't simply assume that the stresses are the same in every frame because they're not. An engineer must do his due diligence in order to ensure that they're all safe to ride, won't injure anyone and won't come back as warranty claims. Take it from an engineer that has been in the R&D business for over 15 years, it isn't that easy.

    On top of that, they need to pass testing just to be allowed to sell the frames in certain large markets.
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    It's clear one bike is 650b Carbon, but maybe there is another one or not? Just because that bike can replace Blur and Nomad at the same time, but for more agressive riding that we are doing with Nomad (180 and coil) the 650 150mm will be short IMO.
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    I bet its in one of the new UK mags.
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    New Santa Cruz Bronson Bike?-screen-shot-2013-03-25-1.05.53-pm.jpg

    This is a little bit better capture.

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    Not a 26" nomad ???

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    That's his Nomad. There is something on the bench that make it looks like the upper shock mount spans the DT/TT.


    Aside from CSI style techno-wizardry I don't think there is any way of determining the wheel size. Plus he rides for Mavic, which currently has not released any 650B wheels aside from the Crossmax SLR 650B, which those wheels are definitely not.
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    Well, the rider in the ad looks to be riding a bike with 29inch wheels. And since the rider is wearing a full face and goggles, I am guessing it is going to be a 29er Nomad or some sort of freeridish / all mountain 29er.

    Remember, Specialized just dropped a 29" Enduro. Who knows. Big hit 29ers could be the next 650B. lol

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    In one of the UK mags Santa Cruz is using that same picture for a Tallboy LTc ad.
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    This is a little bit better capture.
    That's a Nomad and with a Bos Deville in the front
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    it could be the new bike just with 26" wheels, the shock mounting looks different to me....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    As in Charles or Pinchot?
    Funny. Actually Bronson is the street Santa Cruz is located on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivet View Post
    Funny. Actually Bronson is the street Santa Cruz was located on.
    Fixed it for ya . . . and yeah, I know. I'm just being a smartass. I like to keep this thread going because the rampant imagination is entertaining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rivet View Post
    Funny. Actually Bronson is the street Santa Cruz is located on.
    Thank you for providing this hitherto unknown information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velez3000 View Post
    My hope for a new bike soon would be a TB TRc. In between a TB and LTC
    +1 on that hope. It would tempt me to sell my TBLTc. Would you go 32 fork or 34?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balakeka View Post
    It's clear one bike is 650b Carbon, but maybe there is another one or not? Just because that bike can replace Blur and Nomad at the same time, but for more agressive riding that we are doing with Nomad (180 and coil) the 650 150mm will be short IMO.
    I don't think a 150mm chassis w/ Fox 32/34 can replace Nomad, regardless of wheel size. 150mm bikes are generally lighter and one step below 160mm bikes and Fox 32/34 forks are not stiff enough for hard riding. Bronson sounds like a nice bike, but I'm waiting for Nomad replacement.

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    My hope for a new bike soon would be a TB TRc. In between a TB and LTC
    Why not DIY, send your TBLT shock off to a suspension specialist to have it "short shocked" and revalved to suit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Znarf View Post
    You're right. Good assumption.
    I think that there's a fair bit of overlap between the Bronson and the Tallboy LTC.
    You'll get the customers who want a 29er and those who want a 275er.
    Don't know what I'll get. Love the big wheels, do miss a tiny bit of flickability. Haven't ridden a Tallboy yet though. Just my Specialized 29ers and everyone just keeps raving how nimble both tallboys feel.
    Agree. For me right now, it's between TBltc and this fabled Bronson 275. I'm on 27.5" now, my friends are on 29". One has TBc another a Niner XC bike. Both insist that if I want a light carbon trail bike, I'd be nuts not get the TBltc. I have demoed the Niner (but can't fit on the TB). I love the roll, but not the feel as compared to my Jamis 560b2

    If the Bronson comes out, I will give it and the TB saddle time at LBS before parting with cash. If no Bronson, I think I'll go with TBltc. I just don't think that any 27.5" on the market right now can compete with TBltc for performance and value. Unless SC does produce the Bronson.


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    I'm on vacations and bring this test mule, that I already had ride last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mehukatti View Post
    I don't think a 150mm chassis w/ Fox 32/34 can replace Nomad, regardless of wheel size. 150mm bikes are generally lighter and one step below 160mm bikes and Fox 32/34 forks are not stiff enough for hard riding. Bronson sounds like a nice bike, but I'm waiting for Nomad replacement.
    Comments like this just slay me. The ONLY thing holding someone back on a 150mm vs. 160mm bike is a lack of skill. You will see plenty of folks on 150mm bikes killing it racing enduro and just genrally shredding.

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    Comments like this just slay me. The ONLY thing holding someone back on a 150mm vs. 160mm bike is a lack of skill. You will see plenty of folks on 150mm bikes killing it racing enduro and just genrally shredding.
    Not to mention (gasp) climbing up steep grades fast.


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    Not to mention (gasp) climbing up steep grades fast.


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    "something completely different" would be a customizable carbon frame fab process + design consulting service that would let me pick (for example) wheel size, wheelbase, STA, HTA, BB drop and rear travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eedavis View Post
    "something completely different" would be a customizable carbon frame fab process + design consulting service that would let me pick (for example) wheel size, wheelbase, STA, HTA, BB drop and rear travel.

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    The TRc is an enduro machine and 120mm.
    Then following dogboy's reasoning, it takes more skill descend on than a 160mm or a 150mm, and following my reasoning climbs better than either.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike T View Post
    +1 on that hope. It would tempt me to sell my TBLTc. Would you go 32 fork or 34?


    32 @120 or 34 @ 130 depending on riding style terrain, rear travel at 120, room for water bottle in main triangle and stealth routing for droppers. Would be interesting if SC brings out a Ripley competitor as I see the Ripley as more of a TBc with more travel vs. a TB LTc competitor

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfas View Post
    I'm on vacations and bring this test mule, that I already had ride last year.

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    Yep, I think it was the first one I saw built up on the forum last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogboy View Post
    Comments like this just slay me. The ONLY thing holding someone back on a 150mm vs. 160mm bike is a lack of skill. You will see plenty of folks on 150mm bikes killing it racing enduro and just genrally shredding.
    Luke Strobel clearly demonstrates here that this 150mm bike is holding him back.
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    Something wicked this way comes...

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    And the SC Instagram feed...

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    a screen snip:

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    Seems fun, but prefer the other color
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    Whatever he's riding, he's been riding it for a while . . . custom Enve rims too. Looks like a yellow frame (FTMFW!)
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    Looks like it might be pretty.
    Frustratingly vague picture. Can't see the shock or fork legs to guess travel.
    Are those definitely 275's? Can't see any markings that make it a lock on the rim or tire.

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    IMO not really sure lack of travel is holding most riders back. Lack of skill is. See Ratboy shredding the TRA on trails many people shuttle. I find rubber (tread pattern, psi), weight, geo, make a much bigger difference. I recently switched frames from an LT2 to an intense carbine. It had an extra 10mm travel and everything else is the same including the fork. I'm overall about 20% faster. The travel doesn't make a difference, I'm hardly ever using it all. The geometry and weight do. SC's last 2 bikes (trc and tbltc) get both right. This next bike should be killer. BTW SC moved from Bronson onto mission.

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    I guess nobody noticed that Ratboy's photo is titled "SC650.jpg" ??
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    I guess nobody noticed that Ratboy's photo is titled "SC650.jpg" ??
    Nope. That's funny. I guess that answers that question.

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    It's because he did a screen cap and cut the picture out.

    Directly from SC's instagram it had this url:

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    Originally Posted by Dogboy
    Comments like this just slay me. The ONLY thing holding someone back on a 150mm vs. 160mm bike is a lack of skill. You will see plenty of folks on 150mm bikes killing it racing enduro and just genrally shredding.

    Quote Originally Posted by NoahColorado View Post
    Luke Strobel clearly demonstrates here that this 150mm bike is holding him back.
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    Aren't you too being a little dramatic? Since he mentioned "lighter" and didn't say anything about the bike "holding him back" I think he is just saying he views the nomad type bike as burlier than these 150 enduro bikes that are coming out. It's just his opinion, nothing to be slayed about.

    Keep up the speculation. If it's a 650b 150mm bike I would have taken that over the nomadc I have now, but it won't be causing me to replace the nomad anytime soon.

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    In the new Fox 40 vid, they say something about their 650b dual crown fork with a pic of Ratboy. Carbon 650b V10??

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    In the new Fox 40 vid, they say something about their 650b dual crown fork with a pic of Ratboy. Carbon 650b V10??
    I can't tell from that pic whether its a dual crown or not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarlaxle View Post
    I can't tell from that pic whether its a dual crown or not.


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    Oh my goodness!

    Notice how the bike in the Team MIA video (which is very worth watching for the shredding alone) is the same bright green color.

    Somebody do some screen grabs of the video, maybe work out some graphical scale to judge the wheel size (the wheels look bigger tho huh?) and start on speculatin' what we've pretty much known to be true... is true.

    A fuggin shredding 650B Enduro bike.

    Think anybody will want one?

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    Or that's Ben Cruz's Cannondale and I'm a boner and need to get some sleep...

    Throw another long on the rumor bonfire : )

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigb73 View Post
    In the new Fox 40 vid, they say something about their 650b dual crown fork with a pic of Ratboy. Carbon 650b V10??
    Now that I look at that pic, it looks like I can see the right fork leg continue up past a lower crown

    Maybe I'm just seeing what I want to see though

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    Green bike white wheels?
    thats what I thought too..
    wait.. or, is that a Nomad
    I think Ben is on the light green Cannondale with black rims..


    Quote Originally Posted by PeachesN'Cream View Post
    Oh my goodness!

    Notice how the bike in the Team MIA video (which is very worth watching for the shredding alone) is the same bright green color.

    Somebody do some screen grabs of the video, maybe work out some graphical scale to judge the wheel size (the wheels look bigger tho huh?) and start on speculatin' what we've pretty much known to be true... is true.

    A fuggin shredding 650B Enduro bike.

    Think anybody will want one?
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    The green bike ridden by the guy in the yellow jersey is definitely a SC bike. 150-160 mm fork if I had to guess.
    I think its just a green Nomadc.

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    thats not the fork stanchion above the bottom crown, its the vertical brace that makes up the front part of the rear triangle. look at any sc bike from the left side

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    5 days and all this BS ends!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigb73 View Post
    5 days and all this BS ends!!
    And then most of us will start complaining about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    And then most of us will start complaining about it.
    Quoted for truth.
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    Hahahaha

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    why wait? the head angle is too steep! the top tube is too short!

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    And the colors suck!

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    It this a good first bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rox View Post
    why wait? the head angle is too steep! the top tube is too short!
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    And the colors suck!
    And the chainstays are too long, and the BB is WAAAAAAY to high.
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    The bottom bracket is actually way too low. And the fork is too stiff.

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