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    But a 29er is sufficiently different from a 26". My earlier comment was that I failed to see how they're *better*, but they're different.

    650B, I just don't think is anything worth buying a new bike over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dustman View Post
    I just opened the newest Dirt Rag Magazine and on the second or third page it has a new Santa Cruz ad. "And now for something completely different" "April 1st 2013." Does anyone know what this is referring to? i have an order in for a TBLTc, but if something new is coming out... Maybe a 650b?
    So dustman... Do you wait or just do the tallboy ltc... I a in the same exact boa

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    I have had an order in for the TBLTc for over a month. I guess the silver lining is, I will see the new bike on April 1, before the TBLTc ever gets here!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzy View Post
    Here's what I see
    29 r wheel
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    Looks like a 29" wheel to me too. A carbon 29" AM hardtail would definitely qualify as "completely different", wouldn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dustman View Post
    I have had an order in for the TBLTc for over a month. I guess the silver lining is, I will see the new bike on April 1, before the TBLTc ever gets here!!!
    So dustman, or anyone else with an opinion, I have one more question. I'm about to order a tall boy ltc. Debating between xtr with three up front, two up front, or the SRAM with xx1. Ride around ma but will do west trips. Older, fatter and slower than I was years ago so slightly afraid the xx1 will beat the crap out of me when I have to do several thousand feet of climbing on west trips... Suggestions?

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    I am older and slower as well and can appreciate a granny ring at 7-8k feet above sea level. My butcher has a single 30 up front with a 36 in the back and I have been considering upgrading to 38 or 41 in the back. Then again my bike weighs 33LBS and has aggressive tires on it and rolls like snot.


    IMHO, I'd do a well ratio-ed double up front if you have concerns. Triples are a PITA.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hallpass View Post
    So dustman, or anyone else with an opinion, I have one more question. I'm about to order a tall boy ltc. Debating between xtr with three up front, two up front, or the SRAM with xx1. Ride around ma but will do west trips. Older, fatter and slower than I was years ago so slightly afraid the xx1 will beat the crap out of me when I have to do several thousand feet of climbing on west trips... Suggestions?
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    New Santa Cruz Bike?

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    Last fall I put some fresh winter rubber on my Nomad....

    ....Now I realized it was the bigger wheels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hallpass View Post
    So dustman, or anyone else with an opinion, I have one more question. I'm about to order a tall boy ltc. Debating between xtr with three up front, two up front, or the SRAM with xx1. Ride around ma but will do west trips. Older, fatter and slower than I was years ago so slightly afraid the xx1 will beat the crap out of me when I have to do several thousand feet of climbing on west trips... Suggestions?
    A 28t front ring with XX1 will get you basically the same low gear as a 24t granny on a double or triple with a 36t rear cog. If I had the money I'd go XX1 but I've got CK hubs.

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    On the great rock facebook page there is a on one prototype compatible with 160 MM. fork Maybe 160 29er fork are in the pipeline.
    A LLTc Tallboy would be great!

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    I've been bugging SC over the past couple years for a VP Free type replacement to fill the void between the Nomad and V10. Their response has repeatedly been that the Freeride segment has seen decreasing demand...


    "No new freeride oriented models to announce at this time, sorry!"

    This is too bad, I was hopeful that they would make a carbon 7" to 8" travel frame in carbon, like say a Nomad LTc. I hope that's what we will see in April.

    As for the picture, unless there is a higher res image then the one attached, I think it is pretty hard to tell what the wheel size is. Due to the full-face helmet, my guess is that it is not likely to be a 29er. Despite the claims from 9er weenies, the big wheels are not well suited for fast DH/enduro riding. See the comparison test on PB: Opinion: 26 vs 27.5 vs 29-inch Wheels - Pinkbike

    Perhaps 650b may fit the bill, but I am keeping my fingers crossed for my Nomad LTc

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    ^^ Good link, hadn't seen it. And if I may quote a small piece:

    Ultimately, the differences between the wheel sizes were more or less what you would expect. The 29-inch bike could barrel through sections wide-open, but it was harder to carry speed through tight corners. 26-inch wheels tended to lose speed more readily, but you could play with the bike more easily. It's here I take issue with 27.5-inch wheels. The traditional logic states that they roll-over things better than a 26-inch bike, but handle more nimbly than a 29-inch bike. However, if you flip that logic on its head, they don't roll-through as well as a 29er and don't handle as well as a 26-inch wheeled bike. For me, at least, 26-inch bikes are the most fun to play with and, at the end of the day, that's what mountain biking is supposed to be about. If you start looking at the new generation of fast-handling 29-inch bikes coming through, like the Specialized Stumpjumper 29er, the Santa Cruz Tallboy or the Orange Five 29, the inevitable question for me is "What's the point of 27.5?" The sacrifices for running a bigger wheel size are becoming fewer, so why lose that extra roll-over? The in-between size starts to look like an unnecessary compromise.
    My point exactly.

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    New Santa Cruz Bike?

    While I would be interested in a 650b/27.5 Santa Cruz, now that I have my TBLTc the only thing that would improve it for me would be a carbon wheel set. The carbon wheel set would still be cheaper than selling and buying a new bike

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    People: let's stop the bickering over which wheel size is better, and get back on track by engaging in all sorts of crazy pointless e-speculation about what this new bike will be.

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    150mm travel 29er FS, like a Niner WFO. lower link clearance will be an issue, just like the Niner, but people want more travel and SC has the engineering and technology to serve it up.

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    Did anyone notice that the rider is a girl? SHE's riding either a 26" or 27.5" but def not a 29" And since they are sponsoring the ENDURO, good bet it's an Enduro bike...Maybe a new Blur LTc 27.5 or a Nomad, or something completely new. I'd love a Blur LTc 27.5" In the market for a new bike and have rode the Tallboys and Tb LT's and loved them but think I want a little more fun and agile than pure speed.

    Spoke too soon, wrong pic...this one is what I was looking at..
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    Still the rest I'm sticking with...Enduro, BLT 27.5 or Nomad is my guess. Either way, I'm probably holding out til then to replace my beloved 10y.o Superlight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by teledude View Post
    Did anyone notice that the rider is a girl? SHE's riding either a 26" or 27.5" but def not a 29"
    You must have a better picture than me. Any chance you can post a link to a hi-res image?

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    Pic probably not even related to the announcement...

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    Quote Originally Posted by teledude View Post
    Did anyone notice that the rider is a girl? SHE's riding either a 26" or 27.5" but def not a 29" And since they are sponsoring the ENDURO, good bet it's an Enduro bike...
    I've pointed this out before (in this thread) - thats a TRc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by teledude View Post
    Did anyone notice that the rider is a girl? SHE's riding either a 26" or 27.5" but def not a 29" And since they are sponsoring the ENDURO, good bet it's an Enduro bike...Maybe a new Blur LTc 27.5 or a Nomad, or something completely new. I'd love a Blur LTc 27.5" In the market for a new bike and have rode the Tallboys and Tb LT's and loved them but think I want a little more fun and agile than pure speed.

    Spoke too soon, wrong pic...this one is what I was looking at..
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    Still the rest I'm sticking with...Enduro, BLT 27.5 or Nomad is my guess. Either way, I'm probably holding out til then to replace my beloved 10y.o Superlight.


    That is Katrina Strand. She is ridding a TRc with a Fox 36 on it. I believe this pic is from the 2012 Crankworx Enduro on Top Of the World on Whistler Mtn.

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    I think it is the advetising for the Enduro serie (see bottom page of the the right page)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNormsk View Post
    While I would be interested in a 650b/27.5 Santa Cruz, now that I have my TBLTc the only thing that would improve it for me would be a carbon wheel set. The carbon wheel set would still be cheaper than selling and buying a new bike
    Put the Enve AM wheelset with CK hubs on the TB LTc and there's literally not anything I would change with my set-up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k2rider1964 View Post
    Put the Enve AM wheelset with CK hubs on the TB LTc and there's literally not anything I would change with my set-up.
    Until next week when the next great thing comes along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    Until next week when the next great thing comes along.
    +1 - too true...
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    Quote Originally Posted by teledude View Post
    Did anyone notice that the rider is a girl? SHE's riding either a 26" or 27.5" but def not a 29" And since they are sponsoring the ENDURO, good bet it's an Enduro bike...Maybe a new Blur LTc 27.5 or a Nomad, or something completely new. I'd love a Blur LTc 27.5" In the market for a new bike and have rode the Tallboys and Tb LT's and loved them but think I want a little more fun and agile than pure speed.

    Spoke too soon, wrong pic...this one is what I was looking at..
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    Still the rest I'm sticking with...Enduro, BLT 27.5 or Nomad is my guess. Either way, I'm probably holding out til then to replace my beloved 10y.o Superlight.
    That bike is a 26. The reason I know this is because I blew it up then compared the ratio of the rotor to a 26 and 27.5 wheel. Guessing the caliper was both 160 and 180 it had the same ratio (for both sizes) as one would expect to see from a 26 in wheel not a 27.5. But as someone stated it probably has nothing to do with the bike in question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wncunderground View Post
    Tallboy Trail
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    shorten the stays and go single ring only
    bump up travel slightly
    Might be on to something. Even though the TB and TBLT aren't that far apart, my LBS has expressed he wished for a TB in around 120mm version.

    Would put in line to compete with the new Niner Rip 9 RDO
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    Quote Originally Posted by h20-50 View Post
    That bike is a 26. The reason I know this is because I blew it up then compared the ratio of the rotor to a 26 and 27.5 wheel. Guessing the caliper was both 160 and 180 it had the same ratio (for both sizes) as one would expect to see from a 26 in wheel not a 27.5. But as someone stated it probably has nothing to do with the bike in question.
    The other reason we know this is because that is a 2012 TRc (mentioned several times above) and that picture has nothing to do with the ad the OP is talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    Might be on to something. Even though the TB and TBLT aren't that far apart, my LBS has expressed he wished for a TB in around 120mm version.

    Would put in line to compete with the new Niner Rip 9 RDO
    It might work. Specialized has been successful with their Camber line, which fits between the Epic and Stumpjumper FSR.

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    It might work. Specialized has been successful with their Camber line, which fits between the Epic and Stumpjumper FSR.
    The trouble is that this is not "something completely different" but rather just an iteration of an existing design.

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    Electronics like lappiere? That would be quite different. Or a 28.125 wheel standard

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    I'm expecting VPP3 on a bike that is similar to the Nomad in a lot of ways, but maybe with 150 travel, a little lighter, a little slacker up front, and a little less slack at the ST. TRc on steroids. I'm not bothered if it's 650, but I would like to see a slight tweaking of the VPP on such a bike in the 150-170 range - something a bit closer to VPP1. I suppose this would be VPP1.5, and not VPP3.

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    Everyone keeps speculating on a new full suspension design, but what if it isn't? Hardtail 29ers with more "trail" or "all mountain" geometry are beginning to pop up. Bikes like the Diamondback Mason and Trek Stache are changing it up with slacker angles and beefy components. With Santa Cruz's success in the 29er market, it would be a winner.

    With all the hype they're creating, it better be good!

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    It's going to be a 29er FS Fat Bike.

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    I found a spy shot of it.

    This thing is sweet!
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    Quote Originally Posted by mestapho View Post
    The other reason we know this is because that is a 2012 TRc (mentioned several times above) and that picture has nothing to do with the ad the OP is talking about.
    Yeah read that, but thanks for the heads up captain obvious......

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    The hardtail theory could be right. Chameleon 29er?

    I am really curious!

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    This thread is hilarious . . . . where's my popcorn?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Znarf View Post
    The hardtail theory could be right. Chameleon 29er?

    I am really curious!

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    Return of the bullit...in app

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    Quote Originally Posted by buck8154 View Post
    Return of the bullit...in app
    That would be nice!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by buck8154 View Post
    Return of the bullit...in app

    That's what they should have done in the first place. They should have dropped the true single pivot and gave the bullit, Heckler and even the Superlight an APP makeover.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daves4mtb View Post
    Collboration with Jeep to produce all-conquering santa cruz jeep bike
    That would be horrible!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    That's what they should have done in the first place. They should have dropped the true single pivot and gave the bullit, Heckler and even the Superlight an APP makeover.
    And kept the frames at a low price point lie they have done with the current heckler...for all of us that can't afford $2700-$3000 frames

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    Quote Originally Posted by buck8154 View Post
    And kept the frames at a low price point lie they have done with the current heckler...for all of us that can't afford $2700-$3000 frames
    Yes, but not advertise them as a low cost alternative. I think that's one thing that doomed the APP. No one wants to be known for ridding a low cost alternative.

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    They don't even have to advertise it as budget...just advertise it as the bike park bike for those who aren't dh racers, but like to play hard...oh yeah, it's also dependable as f$&k like the last two bullit's

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    But now it pedals more efficiently for those who still earn their turns

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    Quote Originally Posted by buck8154 View Post
    advertise it as the bike park bike for those who aren't dh racers, but like to play hard
    Where is this from?

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    It could just be a tallboy in a small frame size. I know those would sell.

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    re: New Santa Cruz Bronson Bike?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtdan View Post
    It could just be a tallboy in a small frame size. I know those would sell.
    Best answer in this thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtdan View Post
    It could just be a tallboy in a small frame size. I know those would sell.
    I'd love one for my wife.
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    I hear of these long wait times for SC bikes. I orderedmy TBLTc early April with Colorado Cyclista. I ended up calling several shops and got my LTc from Golden bikes May 16or 20 and for $300 under list with choice of tires and set up tubless. So thats a 5 week wait for an extremely popular bike and a discount. Go Figure

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