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    I'm hoping Santa Cruz makes this into an enduro ripper, and one that comes in a proper XXL for us bigger folk! A large enduro has a reach that is 1.2" longer than my XL Nomad C. Time to update sizes so that we can run longer top tubes and shorter stems SC!

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    V10 alu or new vpfree/bullit would be cool (and about time)

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    He is wearing a full face helmet

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpaulusma View Post
    He is wearing a full face helmet
    Yep. Plus the Enduro World Series logo at the lower right. A new Nomad I would guess. I would also guess 27.5 or 26 for the wheels. Can't wait to see what it is.

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    Hoping for the revised Nickel with 13.1 BB and lighter weight, at least under 6 lbs. Same geo, same price.

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    Update the superlight with APP and Nickel/TR's Geo...

    Hurry up with it too SC, because I'm itching to buy TRC soon to relace my Stumpy carbon Evo.

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    A V10 29er... That would be completely different. A lot of company making 650b so my guess would be big wheels AND big travel...

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    I'm jumping on the TRc 650b bandwagon...

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    I hope it's a 27.5.. whatever the travel
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    I kinda seriously doubt it would be a (new) Nomad Mk3, even in aluminum, since the 2013 Nomad C, is already available and unchanged from the previous MY2012, apart from the 142x12 rear axle.
    Unless they introduce a brand new aluminum design for the Mk3 Nomad (similar to how Spesh changed the Enduro design in 2010, with the X cross section in the frame, I think).
    Looking forward to April 1st, nonetheless...

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    This would be fantastic. My XL Nomad is far too short in reach for a modern bike. Not hat I don't love it but I need to run a longer stem than I'd like.
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    They just need to make a rear triangle with replaceable dropouts for the TRc, so you can build it with either 26 or 27.5 wheels (and fit big 27.5 tires with full travel) -- like Intense does. Same for the Nomad.

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    @eleven-yo, I'm still laughing. No offense to Marky, but your post was hilarious and definitely puts into perspective what is, and what is not, inexcusable. I'm sorry, but having to wait for a frame isn't on the inexcusable list. And if it is, some perspective is in order. For a list of what is inexcusable, try a cancer board, or maybe one around recovery-- lots of inexcusable there. Not so much here.
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    Here's what I see
    29 r wheel
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    My guess - 29 nomad. Maybe 29DH but my gut says 29 nomad. It also says Faaaarrrrttt!
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    I'm guessing, something for Enduro (it has the Enduro World Series simbol) so something BLT/Nomad, but 29"?? almost anybody are using 29" on Enduro, at least here in Europe, 650??? well the guys from Cube are using the new model, but 95% preferring the 26".

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    I also think that the Wheel Looks kind of tall.
    I wish it was a 29er Nomad.

    Rock Shox is coming out with a 160mm 29er fork, as I am told by rumor.

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    a 29er with 150-160 mm travel would be sick. nomad 29 would be perfect but I honestly do not think they will be doing it. moreover, I more think it will be a 27,5 which I honestly would not buy cause 29 is the right choice for trail. i tried the scott 27,5 trail bike and I could not see any difference between 26 and 27,5 . it was quite the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crackerjack69 View Post
    i tried the scott 27,5 trail bike and I could not see any difference between 26 and 27,5 . it was quite the same.
    I suppose it just depends what trails you ride. I went from an average 2.35" tire [Nevegal] to a bigger than advertized 2.4" tire on my Nomad [Conti Trail King] and the difference is amazing on my rooty/rocky trails. The 2.4" rolls over roots and rocks without getting hung up and my pedal strikes are significantly reduced. I think 650B will be perfect for our trails.

    I've also got a 29er hardtail and would rather get a 27.5/650B FS 6" travel bike - call it a Nomad or call it something else. I'm not sold on 29" wheels for a 6"+ travel FS bike.

    If I lived somewhere buff I probably wouldn't notice a difference or care about 27.5/650B bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I suppose it just depends what trails you ride. I went from an average 2.35" tire [Nevegal] to a bigger than advertized 2.4" tire on my Nomad [Conti Trail King] and the difference is amazing on my rooty/rocky trails. The 2.4" rolls over roots and rocks without getting hung up and my pedal strikes are significantly reduced. I think 650B will be perfect for our trails.

    I've also got a 29er hardtail and would rather get a 27.5/650B FS 6" travel bike - call it a Nomad or call it something else. I'm not sold on 29" wheels for a 6"+ travel FS bike.

    If I lived somewhere buff I probably wouldn't notice a difference or care about 27.5/650B bikes.
    I agree. Long travel 29s always end up having funky frame geometry due to the large wheel size and trying to make enough room for wheel travel. I think anyhting over 4" travel should be 27.5 or 26. They just plain ride better overall. Granted, a 29 wheel will always roll over things better, but there is definitely a point of diminishing returns as the travel increases. We may well see 27.5 becoming the standard within a few years for longer travel bikes. Bike manufactures have jumped on the bandwagon of larger hoops, but they just don't work in some cases. Personally I just don't like the oveall ride of a 29 bike on any frame, but that's just my opinion. 650B for me!

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    Maybe they're going to introduce a line of components -- drivetrains or wheels or something. It seems like "completely different" should mean more than just a new 650b or 29er, but that could just be marketing of course.

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    More spy shots

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    SWEEEET!! I want one! I just wonder how soon it will show up on their website.

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    Santa Cruz has me interested - been looking at the Nomad C or TBLTC. This announcement might change things a little. Intrigued so might as well jump in with some e-speculation. 150mm travel, 650b, low, slack, blah, blah, blah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bone Saw View Post
    SWEEEET!! I want one! I just wonder how soon it will show up on their website.
    "Taking Pre-Orders Now for the Santa Cruz ********, a Revolutionary Dual-Fork Downhill Race bike!"


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    Quote Originally Posted by ColinL View Post
    "Taking Pre-Orders Now for the Santa Cruz ********, a Revolutionary Dual-Fork Downhill Race bike!"

    I just heard from high up sources at Santa Cruz that they are going to have a naming contest for this bike. I'm submitting "Frankenbike", any others??

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    I am thinking its not a bike but what is on the bike... A new line of clothing for enduro riders maybe.. I know one bicycle brand that has gone down this route..

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    Look at the ad carefully, clearly there is only one 29" wheel visible-that only leaves a 29er trail unicycle. I say it's about time!

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    Exchangeable rear ends/ links. 26/650b any way you please.

    That would be smart thinking?

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    Easier to think through what its not: V10 just got update - TRc just got Alu version - Tallboy & TBLT arent too old yet - APP just got discontinued + I dont think they would advertize those this way - Hecker and Superlights are not to be changed, why else they remain pretty much as is through time.

    This leaves their Blur XC, Blur LT and Nomad. Looking at picture, guy shredding, its propably not XC bike purely.

    My money is for either new platform (gap between Nomad and V10 would be filled), BLT or Nomad update. If its completely different - don't know as Santa Cruz is not jumping to new fashion things too quickly. Could be they 650B both BLT and Nomad ...

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    Am I the only one who wants to see a new driver 8?! I know from the picture that would be my last guess, but a man can dream can't he?

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    Stiga, BLT and BLTc also got updated for 2013 with 142x12 and ISCG05 tabs that were missing on both. So I would take these out of the equation.
    It could be a new Nomad Mk3 in alu, only for 2013.
    Also, you are right in your reasoning about a new freeride platform either 26" or 650b to fill in the gap between Nomad Mk2 and V10, (there hasn't been a real freeride bike in their line since the Bullit; the Driver 8 was just a shorter (cheaper for privateers) travel V10, that could be used with a single crown fork, though it's doubtful if it was used by the majority in this configuration).

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    I would guess that the new bike is focused for enduro/AM, maybe redesigned Blur LT(c). I mean they announced a while back, that they are sponsoring the 2013 Enduro World Series and are going to have team riders participating. It would make sense that they would release a new bike to go with it. I really doubt that they would release a freeride bike. I mean, Driver8 really didn't sell too well if I recall correctly, you can use V10c in 8" mode instead, and the whole "freeride" category is pretty much dead, or rather a blast from the past. I kind of doubt that the new bike would have 27.5" wheels either, because they are quite conservative into adopting new things. But maybe 29" tought them a lesson, I think they were a bit late into that game?

    Part of me wishes that they would release NomadC Mk3, but on the other hand that would burn a hole into my wallet.

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    My guess: reborn of the Bullit (with 170/180mm rear travel). I see in that pic the front triangle of the discontinued Bullit, i can dream too!

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    New Santa Cruz Bronson Bike?-max_ews2013.jpg

    If this is the same bike then 650b Blur is my bet.

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    That there is last years black with green TR frame.

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    If this is the same bike then 650b Blur is my bet.
    Yeah that's a Blur LT650 for sure.....

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    Doubt it is same bike, although that is definitely a TRc. Certainly not same location. I think this is just an ad by the event organisers, whereas the other one is an ad by SC.

    I have spent way too much time thinking about that SC ad and what that "something completely different" might be. Even a 650B bike is not going to be that - even though that makes sense. Maybe a 650B with new suspension - VPP3??. This would be nice, and would make some sense given all the complaints about VPP2 on the Nomad.

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    That's a friend of mine on her TRc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gripo View Post
    Yeah that's a Blur LT650 for sure.....
    Thats a TRC, you can see the green stripes by the headtube.
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    Santa Cruz engineer Joe Grainey doesn't seem like he would be going with 650B: How to Break Into the Cycling Industry – Santa Cruz Bikes Engineer Joe Graney - Bike Rumor

    "You know what I could really f–kin’ do without? 650B. What a pain in the ass that’s going to be."


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    New Santa Cruz Bike?

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtdan View Post
    Santa Cruz engineer Joe Grainey doesn't seem like he would be going with 650B: How to Break Into the Cycling Industry – Santa Cruz Bikes Engineer Joe Graney - Bike Rumor

    "You know what I could really f–kin’ do without? 650B. What a pain in the ass that’s going to be."

    Nah SC double speak right there....

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    Folks, 650B/27.5 is utterly stupid. Why would you want new wheels, new fork, new frame for a tire & wheel 5% bigger diameter than a 26" of the same width? Why would you go from a massive variety in forks, frames, wheels and tires to having at best 10% of that availability?

    But all that is not going to stop a lot of people from trying to capitalize on it. The world went 29er crazy the past 2-3 years, and some manufacturers just see dollar signs for 650B. Dollars that may or may not be there.

    I'm with Joe Grainey. And Brian Lopes. And a lot of other smart folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColinL View Post
    Folks, 650B/27.5 is utterly stupid. Why would you want new wheels, new fork, new frame for a tire & wheel 5% bigger diameter than a 26" of the same width? Why would you go from a massive variety in forks, frames, wheels and tires to having at best 10% of that availability?

    But all that is not going to stop a lot of people from trying to capitalize on it. The world went 29er crazy the past 2-3 years, and some manufacturers just see dollar signs for 650B. Dollars that may or may not be there.

    I'm with Joe Grainey. And Brian Lopes. And a lot of other smart folks.
    Let me ask you. Have you ever ridden a 650b bike, or a 29er?
    I have a XC 29er and a TRc with both 26" and 650b wheels.
    All of them are legit and the differences are there.
    650b was initially pushed by the enthusiast riders, not by the industry.
    Stay alert, you might not have noticed yet, but the 650b revolution is already here.
    My prediction is that it will become mainstream in 1-2 years.
    LBS have problems selling 26er bikes, the market was taken over by 29er.
    The era of 650b has just begun

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    Nah SC double speak right there....

    Exactly. They are good in it even without Ferrentino

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    If they make a 650B FS carbon fiber frame in a size small, my fiance could possibly be the first one to own one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzanova View Post
    Let me ask you. Have you ever ridden a 650b bike, or a 29er?
    I have a XC 29er and a TRc with both 26" and 650b wheels.
    All of them are legit and the differences are there.
    650b was initially pushed by the enthusiast riders, not by the industry.
    Stay alert, you might not have noticed yet, but the 650b revolution is already here.
    My prediction is that it will become mainstream in 1-2 years.
    LBS have problems selling 26er bikes, the market was taken over by 29er.
    The era of 650b has just begun
    +1 - people said 29ers were a gimmick as well until they became a proven quantity. 650B will do great for the longer travel FS market. The question is will the market for 26ers be strong enough to support two wheel sizes in a lot of models or are 26" wheels going to be dropped for the most part?

    I was a skeptic about 29ers and 650B in the past. Then I experimented with wheel size changes and was shocked at the result. At least for where I ride...
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    Yes, I have ridden 29ers. I could not perceive any advantage in rolling ability. I could perceive a disadvantage in weight and agility. I'm not alone here.

    For 650B, I would bet that if you took some 26" and some 650B, stripped off decals and painted over the tires, and disallowed test riders to inspect them closely, people would be unable to reliably detect which bikes were which. 5% diameter is hardly a factor.

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    But, I'm done talking about it. I love bikes. Some people look for any reason, valid or not, to buy a new bike. And that's fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ColinL View Post
    Yes, I have ridden 29ers. I could not perceive any advantage in rolling ability. I could perceive a disadvantage in weight and agility. I'm not alone here.

    For 650B, I would bet that if you took some 26" and some 650B, stripped off decals and painted over the tires, and disallowed test riders to inspect them closely, people would be unable to reliably detect which bikes were which. 5% diameter is hardly a factor.
    Why do you disagree with physics so much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gripo View Post
    Nah SC double speak right there....

    Agree.....they kept telling us for years that they wouldn't get into the 29er market as well......and look how bad of an investment that was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColinL View Post
    For 650B, I would bet that if you took some 26" and some 650B, stripped off decals and painted over the tires, and disallowed test riders to inspect them closely, people would be unable to reliably detect which bikes were which. 5% diameter is hardly a factor.


    Last fall I put some fresh winter rubber on my Nomad. Went out for a ride on the new tires and was pretty shocked at how crappy my ride was. I couldn't clean tech sections I normally rocked and had tons of pedal strikes. I kept getting hung up on rocky/rooty zones I typically had no issue with, I was surprised because I expected the fresh rubber to have lots of traction and ride better than my worn older tires.

    I went into this assuming the new setup would be a big improvement.



    So then I went back to my old tires and every techy part of the trail was better. Hmm. The new tires had better traction, but the old tires were bigger. You can see the difference in these pics ~20mm overall diameter.

    Then I lent my bigger tires to my GF who is not a big spender when it comes to bike parts and just rides her bike until something stops working. She liked them so much she spent $150 for new tires.

    I went into this "experiment" biased against the bigger rubber because it was worn and I figured a slightly smaller wheel [~3% difference] wouldn't be noticeable. I came out totally appreciating that extra 20mm.

    The only downside to all this was a year ago when I put the bigger tires on my riding got noticeably better. At the time I just assumed it was because I was getting more awesome... Now I realized it was the bigger wheels...
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