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    Quote Originally Posted by gfs69 View Post
    The bottom bracket is actually way too low. And the fork is too stiff.
    Don't be silly. The fork isn't SC's problem
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    The HA is not slack enough.......

    The ST is not steep enough......

    The water bottle bolts are in the wrong place.....

    They don't offer it in XXS or XXL.....

    The shock rate is too progressive......

    The shock rate is too linear......

    It is only available in 142x12.......my wheels won't work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikej View Post
    The HA is not slack enough.......

    The ST is not steep enough......

    The water bottle bolts are in the wrong place.....

    They don't offer it in XXS or XXL.....

    The shock rate is too progressive......

    The shock rate is too linear......

    It is only available in 142x12.......my wheels won't work.
    You forgot one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikej View Post
    The HA is not slack enough.......

    The ST is not steep enough......

    The water bottle bolts are in the wrong place.....

    They don't offer it in XXS or XXL.....

    The shock rate is too progressive......

    The shock rate is too linear......

    It is only available in 142x12.......my wheels won't work.
    ......... And it blows through in the middle!

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    Don't forget it will probably be too expensive. Going to wait till the prices drop.
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    Nothing to see here move along.
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    The Path is one of the few bike shops I trust, and surprise, they actually have information.

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    I wish they'd get away from Fox suspension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    I wish they'd get away from Fox suspension.
    Actually, it would be pretty nice to be able to buy a frame only, sans rear shock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    Actually, it would be pretty nice to be able to buy a frame only, sans rear shock.

    As for the Path . . . I trust they know what they are doing, as damaging the relationship they have with SC would be pretty bad for business. I must admit though, I'm pretty damn shocked that they've posted ANYTHING, including pricing, before SC has even formally announced the bike.

    If they DON'T have permission to release that info yet though, that just spelled the end of their vendor agreement . . . .
    That would be a great idea.

    I was thinking the same about Path. Time will tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    Actually, it would be pretty nice to be able to buy a frame only, sans rear shock.

    As for the Path . . . I trust they know what they are doing, as damaging the relationship they have with SC would be pretty bad for business. I must admit though, I'm pretty damn shocked that they've posted ANYTHING, including pricing, before SC has even formally announced the bike.

    If they DON'T have permission to release that info yet though, that just spelled the end of their vendor agreement . . . .
    Cutting out the Path might be enough to get me off of Santa Cruz bikes. They are one of the best bike shops in the country. People, including myself, drive 1hr+ to do business with them.

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    Same here...
    I even think they are the most successful SC dealer...
    The announcement on The Path website has been pulled down.
    It seems they spilled the beans a bit too early

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzanova View Post
    Same here...
    I even think they are the most successful SC dealer...
    The announcement on The Path website has been pulled down.
    It seems they spilled the beans a bit too early
    Whoooops!!!!
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    Pleased it's going to be alu as well as carbon. Also pleased they are not jumping on the wave of hype and asking $3,000 + for a carbon frame. Not that $2,699 is cheap . . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzanova View Post
    Same here...
    I even think they are the most successful SC dealer...
    The announcement on The Path website has been pulled down.
    It seems they spilled the beans a bit too early
    Yeah...there's still a hit on google from their forum on socaltrailriders.org; but they pulled that post too. Double-whoops...

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    But what is being skipped is that it is indeed a 150mm 650b called the Bronson.........that was posted here a lllloooonnnnggg time ago but most refused to believe.

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    Last edited by 007; 03-28-2013 at 07:25 PM.
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    I would bet that they know a lot of bikes are coming out this spring/summer with 27.5. Even heard yeti and ibis are on the way. So they they are smart to try to not charge a premium. Not that $2699 isn't expensive. I think bike shops are a little nervous that people are going to try and wait to see what the "next best thing is". Seems like these days that no matter when you buy a bike, there is always a new one soon after you wish you had waited for. So, keep the price within reason. It's all relative of course. I'm in the market for a new 27.5 and this is in the forefront for me. But would love to see an Ibis HD 27.5 for sure. I am exactly what is making the shops a little nervous.

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    ^ like buying a computer. A better one is just a week away.

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    Not talking about Santa Cruz here, as they dont do that business model, but if you look at a lot of bike brands - they upgrade their lineup with such incremental iterations that as a customer you
    a) buy several bikes a year, which are just a tiny bit better than last years and then outdated quickly

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    b) start to hesitate with the upgradeitis and "wait" for something with fundamental new or better characteristics and end up buying nothing for years.


    I really love Santa Cruz for the "almost" no ******** business model. Even a five year old Santa has character and would make me want to ride it.

    Try that with a five year old Specialized. They introduce so many "all-new" generations that youll ride not simply an outdated model, but a three times outdated one. Not to say that the ride quality of the old bike really suffers, but their marketing makes you or other believe so.

    enough rambling and praising though.

    Let the Bronson come =)

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    Whoops, don't want to get the unamed bike shop in trouble as they are terrific guys and if I still lived in the area, the only shop I'd go to. Editing posts to reflect that. I encourage everyone else to do the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Znarf View Post
    I really love Santa Cruz for the "almost" no ******** business model. Even a five year old Santa has character and would make me want to ride it.
    Why I've held onto my original blur after being tempted to sell it so many times. It's still an awesome bike even with it's faults and I don't have as much fun as I do on that, than other "modern" 4" bikes. It's its still light enough I climb almost everything I ride 1x.

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    Funny thing I emailed SC a little while ago and got an auto response saying they were moving the factory [I assume that means warehouse] from Bronson to 2841 Mission Street, Santa Cruz, CA 95060. So my guess is the 650B Nomad will be called the Mission!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hackdan10 View Post
    I would bet that they know a lot of bikes are coming out this spring/summer with 27.5. Even heard yeti and ibis are on the way. So they they are smart to try to not charge a premium. Not that $2699 isn't expensive. I think bike shops are a little nervous that people are going to try and wait to see what the "next best thing is". Seems like these days that no matter when you buy a bike, there is always a new one soon after you wish you had waited for. So, keep the price within reason. It's all relative of course. I'm in the market for a new 27.5 and this is in the forefront for me. But would love to see an Ibis HD 27.5 for sure. I am exactly what is making the shops a little nervous.
    Ibis already has a 650 bike. The mojo hd 140 is either 26 or 650b it's been certified for 650b a lllloooonnnnggg time and doesn't effect the warranty.

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    One of the reasons I would never consider buying another bike brand is SC's pragmatic approach to model releases. They only upgrade frames when needed (i.e. 142mm rear spacing) and you don't need to cringe thinking about resale value when the calendar turns. This calculated approach and timing to launch 27.5 is exacly what we should expect from a world class company. It's even sooner than I hoped, and sooner than what history has tought us. Good on you SC, for delivering what your consumers want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vizsladog View Post
    Ibis already has a 650 bike. The mojo hd 140 is either 26 or 650b it's been certified for 650b a lllloooonnnnggg time and doesn't effect the warranty.
    Hopefully it's obvious why this isn't the same thing as a bike designed for 650B from the ground up.

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    Yeah, it's been certified. That just means the rear wheel fits in.

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    I had a dream last night that this new bike rides like garbage... Just letting you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtdan View Post
    I had a dream last night that this new bike rides like garbage... Just letting you know.
    Lol, post it in the MTBR official dream thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikej View Post
    The HA is not slack enough.......

    The ST is not steep enough......

    The water bottle bolts are in the wrong place.....

    They don't offer it in XXS or XXL.....

    The shock rate is too progressive......

    The shock rate is too linear......

    It is only available in 142x12.......my wheels won't work.
    I can't convert it to 650B...

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    Quote Originally Posted by markymark View Post
    I can't convert it to 650B...
    I ordered my frame already. My plan is to convert it to 26" wheels, putting a longer stroke shock and fork on for more travel - or maybe leaving it as is because I like low BBs.
    its gonna be sick!
    here we go again

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    Quote Originally Posted by vizsladog View Post
    Ibis already has a 650 bike. The mojo hd 140 is either 26 or 650b it's been certified for 650b a lllloooonnnnggg time and doesn't effect the warranty.
    Um, sorry, enough with this arguement already. I own a HD and as much as I want to convert it to 650B, its such a compromise that its not worth it. I want a bigger wheel bike designed from the ground up, not a "well it fits".

    Tried the Tallboy LT and really liked it, just a little shy on travel...pretty sure I'm going to sell the HD and give SC a try with this Bronson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robnow View Post
    Um, sorry, enough with this arguement already. I own a HD and as much as I want to convert it to 650B, its such a compromise that its not worth it. I want a bigger wheel bike designed from the ground up, not a "well it fits".

    Tried the Tallboy LT and really liked it, just a little shy on travel...pretty sure I'm going to sell the HD and give SC a try with this Bronson.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gunt pimp View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by vizsladog View Post
    Ibis already has a 650 bike. The mojo hd 140 is either 26 or 650b it's been certified for 650b a lllloooonnnnggg time and doesn't effect the warranty.
    Much as I love the Mojo HD until Ibis makes a dedicated 650 triangle that fits all the "B" tires and with more than a couple ball hairs for clearance I'll wait on the sidelines. Full 160mm travel would be nice also. A new 650 HD with the eccentric pivots like the Ripley would be the cat's meow. Really cool to see how it works in such a compact design and I see no reason why this type of setup couldn't be used with a VPP setup as well.

    Can't wait to see this new Bronson and I predict SC is gonna sell a boatload of them.
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    Those of us with 650b TRc's will have to decide whether it's worth switching to the Bronson. Selling the TRc frame and fork and buying a Bronson frame and fork will probably cost about $2000, so that's an expensive upgrade. What would you get for that money? An inch more travel, maybe stiffer fork, and clearance for fatter tires. For me, the ability to fit fatter tires is probably the only real advantage, but we'll see.

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    seriously, no one had the sense to grab a screenshot? you guys are slackin!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sooner518 View Post
    seriously, no one had the sense to grab a screenshot? you guys are slackin!
    Or we just chose not post it

    The shop made a mistake, and they owned up to it. I've been contacted by them and asked politely to take down my posts, which I did. They're a good shop and have treated me well in the past so I see no reason not to do the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jabrabu View Post
    Those of us with 650b TRc's will have to decide whether it's worth switching to the Bronson. Selling the TRc frame and fork and buying a Bronson frame and fork will probably cost about $2000, so that's an expensive upgrade. What would you get for that money? An inch more travel, maybe stiffer fork, and clearance for fatter tires. For me, the ability to fit fatter tires is probably the only real advantage, but we'll see.
    Yup, this was the boat I was in when the TRc was announced. It was a chance for a decent upgrade over the BLT, but not enough to justify the cost so I waited . . . and as you point out, I think many folks with a TRc are facing the same dilemma. Fortunately for me, this time around the differences are enough and I'm actually READY for a new frame, so its likely going to be in my quiver by year's end. I'm going to hold out juuuuuust a bit longer though to see if SC has anything else up their sleeves
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    That shop was where I demoed a Blur TRc and a TB LTc, and I actually bought a '12 Blur TRc demo bike. I hope they don't get into trouble with Santa Cruz over this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sooner518 View Post
    seriously, no one had the sense to grab a screenshot? you guys are slackin!
    Copy and paste it from the subscription email.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sooner518 View Post
    seriously, no one had the sense to grab a screenshot? you guys are slackin!
    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    Copy and paste it from the subscription email.
    Or just wait like 36 more hours . . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    Or just wait like 36 more hours . . . .
    Where's the fun in that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    Where's the fun in that?
    Just pretend its 2 days before Christmas/your birthday/prom night . . . the anticipation will add to the excitement. Just don't get too excited or the show might be over before it even gets started
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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    Just pretend its 2 days before Christmas/your birthday/prom night . . . the anticipation will add to the excitement. Just don't get too excited or the show might be over before it even gets started
    Party pooper!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabrabu View Post
    Those of us with 650b TRc's will have to decide whether it's worth switching to the Bronson. Selling the TRc frame and fork and buying a Bronson frame and fork will probably cost about $2000, so that's an expensive upgrade. What would you get for that money? An inch more travel, maybe stiffer fork, and clearance for fatter tires. For me, the ability to fit fatter tires is probably the only real advantage, but we'll see.
    If your a TRc owner why would you want to do that....going by the alledged specs posted on the TBA Bronson they are two different bikes.

    Hopefully we'll see the whole Blur range that's genuinely 26/650b convertable or for something completely different "rear triangles" that are 26/650b and can be retrofitted to current bikes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gripo View Post
    If your a TRc owner why would you want to do that....going by the alledged specs posted on the TBA Bronson they are two different bikes.

    Hopefully we'll see the whole Blur range that's genuinely 26/650b convertable or for something completely different "rear triangles" that are 26/650b and can be retrofitted to current bikes!
    Amen to that. I don't think I want to trade in my TRC for a 150mm travel 650B Nomad. But upgrading my Al nomad that collects dust in the garage in favor of my TRc....

    My thoughts exactly. Hoping for a 142mm 650 specific rear trialgle to put in my TR...

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    I think I want one!
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