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    My New Blur LT... 650B'ed!

    Cross-post from the 650B forum, but wanted to put it in this forum as well for more traffic. I'm happy to answer any questions I can about the bike.

    After searching for deals online and putting it together over the last month, I finally have it 99% done. I'm still waiting on a lock ring and new brake pads so I haven't ridden it yet... but I hope to this weekend. I will give a full ride report once I do.

    A few comments:
    - The front tire clearance (pictured) seems to be plenty in the standard position- at least 3/8". When I deflate the fork and push it down, the crown does touch the tire when it's *completely* bottomed out. No rub otherwise.
    - The rear tire clearance is similar- about 3/8", and it only rubs when the shock is completely bottomed out.
    - The BB height seems a little high when I rode it around my street, but I think I'll get used to it once I get the rest of the bike dialed in.
    - I don't have a scale, but the bike weighs around 27 lbs, with pedals and with the Reverb seatpost dropper. It should be perfect for the combination of XC and trail riding I do here in Colorado.

    On to the specs and pictures....

    Frame: 2012 Santa Cruz Blur LT, size Large
    Fork: 2012 Fox 32 Float FIT 150mm RL, 15mm thru-axle
    Shock: Fox CTD
    Wheelset: Stan's ZTR Arch EX with XT/SLX hubs, tubeless
    Tires: WTB Wolverine 2.2", front and back (will eventually get Vee Trail Taker for the front)
    Brakes: Avid Elixir 3 w/160mm rotors
    Crankset: RaceFace Evolve
    Drivetrain: XO shifters, XT front der, X9 rear der
    Seatpost: RS Reverb '12
    Headset: Cane Creek 40
    Stem: FSA Gravity Gap
    Handlebar: RaceFace Respond
    Grips: ODI Rogue Lock-on












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    Any way I can trouble you for a measure of your BB, so I can get some numbers in mind? TIA.
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    It's right around 14-1/4".

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    Quote Originally Posted by smmokan View Post
    It's right around 14-1/4".
    Thanks!
    Bad thing for me...I'm running Conti TK 2.4 (26") w/ a Fox 36 Float RC2 at 160mm on my BLTc, and I'm right around 14"
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    For the 650Blur, you might try an offset shock bushing coupled with lowering the fork to 140.

    14" is just way too high for me . . . most threads that I've read on BLT conversions end up dumping it after a while secondary to poor handling. I think if you could get the BB down, it would help immensely.

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    If for some reason it doesn't work for me, I'm not opposed to selling the wheelset and riding it as a 26" bike.

    However, given that I ride in Colorado where most trails have some pretty big rocks and boulders, I'm thinking that the higher BB clearance will actually help me out.

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    This is the first I've seen for a 650 blur lt. Lots of people are doing the 650b conversion on their blur TRc. I bet it rides well

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    Quote Originally Posted by smmokan View Post
    If for some reason it doesn't work for me, I'm not opposed to selling the wheelset and riding it as a 26" bike.

    However, given that I ride in Colorado where most trails have some pretty big rocks and boulders, I'm thinking that the higher BB clearance will actually help me out.
    I actually agree w/ you on the CO/FR assessment. BUT, if I stuck a set of 650b on my Blur w/ the 36, I'd be looking at 14.5 or 14.75 BB, and that's excessively tall. 14 is still cool, but any more than that...

    OP, have you given any thought to the offset shock hardware? I had emailed someone in the Czech Rep about getting a set...$50 to get -1 degree HTA and -1/2" on the BB. But if you do this, you'll def need to shim out the rear shock to 2.25" stroke, cause you're already into the stroke by 4mm. Almost be worth opening up your rear shock and just shorten the i2i by 1/4"...
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    LTc was my first go at 650b...the too high bb and it's effect is why I looked at the TRc.

    I'd hope that SC look at the LT as their 650b bike and do what Intense have done with 26/27.5" convertable dropouts to correct the geo between wheel sizes.

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    Quick review after my first ride today:

    I rode the Blur LT about 15-16 miles on a couple of trails I know like the back of my hand which are a mix of smooth, fast hardpacked singletrack, rocky singletrack, and very technical rock gardens. The overall climbing was around 2500 vert. For comparison, I have ridden these trails dozens of times on my previously-owned NomadC and Trek HiFi Pro, so I'll comment on relation to these two bikes.

    Climbing:

    The BLT killed the Nomad, hands down. I think part of it is an improved rear shock for climbing (CTD vs the Monarch RT3), but I also noticed the BLT was rolling up and over several features in the mile-long rock garden much easier than the Nomad ever did. On the smooth sections of singletrack I switched it into "Climb" mode on the rear shock, but I don't think that's necessary on anything but fire and paved roads. The "Trail" function was more than adequate and there was minimal pedal feedback or bobbing. It was close to the HiFi Pro 29er in climbing performance- I'd give the edge to the HiFi on most of the trail, but I actually preferred the BLT in the tight, technical stuff going up. Color me impressed.

    Downhill performance:

    First off, I'm a decently fast rider going down, but by no means am I a downhill expert. I obviously prefer my old NomadC on the technical downhills and tight, rocky sections, but I was impressed by the BLT. The front fork (Fox 32 150mm w/15mm t/a) was solid, and the extra 1.5" wheel diameter helped make up for some of the lack of travel in comparison to my old Lyrik 170mm. It wasn't nearly as big a dropoff from the NomadC as I was expecting. On the smooth, flowy sections coming down I thought both bikes were similarly fun. I wasn't able to push the bike in the corners due to mud and snow on the trails, but I'll report back next weekend when it's dried up a little more. I noticed the BLT was significantly quicker and more maneuverable (?) than my HiFi Pro. Not even close, really.

    Other stuff:

    I thought the WTB Wolverine tires held up really well, and they only got squirrely in the mud and soft snow. That doesn't concern me, however, since I rarely ride in anything soft here in Colorado. They gripped well on the hardpack, and gripped the large rocks and boulders really well. Once there are a few more wide tire choices (2.3-2.4"), I'll probably swap out the front tire for added grip and stability, but I like it in the back for sure. Seemed to be pretty fast rolling.

    I know a lot of people have concerns about the higher BB on the Blur LT, but I think it's actually a plus for the type of riding I do. A get a LOT of pedal strikes here on the Front Range of Colorado (and when I go to Fruita/Moab), and today I noticed that I didn't hit nearly as many as usual. The cornering performance and "higher" center of gravity weren't noticeable, but part of that may be due to my lack of pushing the bike.

    I didn't bottom out either front or rear, so there were no clearance issues whatsoever. Even with a muddy back tire, there was plenty of room for the 2.2" Wolverine to spin freely. I'm not concerned about clearance whatsoever.

    Overall, I'm very happy with the performance of the bike today; it did exactly what I built it to do. Better performance on the climbs and flats than my old NomadC, and much more fun coming downhill than my HiFi Pro. I think I've found the perfect trail bike for my style of riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smmokan View Post
    A get a LOT of pedal strikes here on the Front Range of Colorado (and when I go to Fruita/Moab), and today I noticed that I didn't hit nearly as many as usual.
    Smmokan,
    Where did you do your test ride?
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    Hall Ranch (full lollipop loop from the rock garden side) and then I went over to ride the bottom few miles of Picture Rock, both in Lyons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smmokan View Post
    Hall Ranch (full lollipop loop from the rock garden side) and then I went over to ride the bottom few miles of Picture Rock, both in Lyons.
    Haven't hit Hall yet...
    I'm literally a mile from Apex, so I use that trail as mu benchmark

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    ^^^ It's worth the drive, go ride Hall. It's one of the most fun FR trails, IMO. It was 90% dry today with only a little snow and mud on the top 1/3 of the lollipop loop.

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    Just a quick update after getting a couple weeks worth of rides on the BLT (way too many rides in fact, since I should be skiing instead).

    After getting things dialed in, I'm a huge fan of this bike for the style and terrain I ride. I wanted something that's a good compromise between the climbing ability of a 29er and the nimbleness of a 26" bike, and I found it. I do a lot of 1500-2000 ft climbs over rocky, mildly technical terrain, and I can tell the larger wheels help quite a bit. It's significantly more efficient on the way up than my old NomadC, that's for sure.

    On the descents, it took a few rides but I'm digging the bike a lot now. The bigger wheels help roll over technical sections, but the bike is still very quick and nimble in tight spaces. The BB is a tad high, but not that detrimental to the handling on the trails I ride. In fact, I like the higher BB since it means fewer pedal strikes.

    I ordered a 2.4" Trail Taker for the front, and I think that'll help even more on the descents in Colorado and Utah. Additionally, I have to say that the rear Fox CTD is much better than I was expecting. The "Trail" setting is perfect for flats and climbing, and the "Descend" is great to flick on for extended downhills.

    One last thing- I haven't had any instances of either front or rear suspension bottoming out and rubbing on the tires, so it seems to be a non-issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smmokan View Post
    The BB is a tad high, but not that detrimental to the handling on the trails I ride. In fact, I like the higher BB since it means fewer pedal strikes.
    smmokan,
    Hey, I've been tinkering w/ a Monarch RC3+ and a thought for you... The way RS does their top-out is a rubber bumper ring on the main shock body (what you'd called the 'stanchion' part of the air shock) and the air can. I'm not sure if the Fox can have this...seems you'd need a hard aluminum lip in the air can to do this...but you might be able to fine tune the i2i length of the rear shock to tweak the BB height...

    I'm going to revisit this conversion for my BLTc, once this Sequestration BS is done...possibly a set of those LB carbon hoops...since I'm running the Monarch, and can tweak my HTA/BB height.

    Say, would you let me swing by to "fit" your 650b wheels to my BLTc, to see if there are any tolerances issues w/ my older frame...say some rainy wknd? Does your front hub allow for 20mm TA as well as 15? And, is your frame the 142 or 135 rear spacing?
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    Sure thing... just shoot me a PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smmokan View Post
    Sure thing... just shoot me a PM.
    Thanks so much!
    I'll PM you closer to the wknd...looks like winter is taking revenge for this past wknd...SUCK!
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    Bump for a good thread...
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    a lot of BLUR LT are up on SCB sale... this will breath life (not that it's dead) to the Blur LT. Too bad it is only offered in Canada and the US, if not i could get one and make an affordable 'BLURSON' hehe

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    I am about to 650 mine (waiting on parts) and IF the bike handles and rides as I hope it will, I see no need to jump on the bandwagon of buying the latest and greatest every few months just to keep up with the Jones's.. With or without 650 conversion, I still like my Blur as is. I am going the cheap route by buying just the rims and using the hubs from the stock wheels the bike came with. The DT Swiss hubs are fine enough for me, no need to go nuts....
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    Bump... I had to go back to 26" for a couple months, but I just put 650B wheels and tires back on. This bike is incredible with this wheel size. I'm killing it on the climbs (in Colorado) and the downhills are faster than ever.

    I put Sun Ringle Inferno 27s on with a Ardent front, Wolverine in the rear. The bike weighs around 28 lbs right now and is perfect. I came within mm's of bottoming out the rear shock and no tire rubbing at all. I love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    I am about to 650 mine (waiting on parts) and IF the bike handles and rides as I hope it will, I see no need to jump on the bandwagon of buying the latest and greatest every few months just to keep up with the Jones's.. With or without 650 conversion, I still like my Blur as is. I am going the cheap route by buying just the rims and using the hubs from the stock wheels the bike came with. The DT Swiss hubs are fine enough for me, no need to go nuts....
    Oscar- see my post last night, but changing back to 650B wheels enabled me to do just what you described. I don't see the need to even think about a Bronson or Solo with my BLT setup now, as I don't think the price difference would come close to the increase (or decrease) in performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smmokan View Post
    Oscar- see my post last night, but changing back to 650B wheels enabled me to do just what you described. I don't see the need to even think about a Bronson or Solo with my BLT setup now, as I don't think the price difference would come close to the increase (or decrease) in performance.
    Yup read your post and today I went to the bike shop to set up the wheel build and ordered new bearings for the front hub. Can't wait to get it done!! Will post up here with my results and impressions.
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    My New Blur LT... 650B'ed!-img_0098.jpg2012 Santa Cruz Blur LT 2.2 with Stan's ZTR Flow rims. Kenda Nevegal 2.3 front/2.1 rear; Fox Talas 36; XT build; KS LEV seatpost; bb height 14 1/4; HT angle 66.5 degrees...What do you think!?

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    SWEEETTTT!! I am waiting for my wheels to be built by my LBS...Should be done tomorrow or Saturday...Can't wait.
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    I'm still looking for my first MB and this has caught my attention. Thinking of buying the frame from SC and building one. I've never built one before but like to tinker and figured it would be a good way to learn about the parts of a MB. Can anyone give me an idea on what it would cost to build one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny North View Post
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    Planning to build a BLUR-SON as well I will be using a 160 mm Float 36? how does it ride? do I have to lower it to 140 or 150 with the 650B? which would handle better?
    I also have a 150 Float 32 RLC 15mm TA... which is which? thanks guy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by saddle pimp View Post
    Planning to build a BLUR-SON as well I will be using a 160 mm Float 36? how does it ride? do I have to lower it to 140 or 150 with the 650B? which would handle better?
    I also have a 150 Float 32 RLC 15mm TA... which is which? thanks guy...
    My 36 is a Talas. It helps to lower the front on steep, steep climbs. I wouldn't use the Float 36, yet it would be nice to have the thicker fork legs and a 20 mm front axle. I would use the Float 150 since you do not have the Talas option.

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    Thanks, excited already, been gathering parts originally for a 650B conversion on a SUPERLIGHT initially. But while reading this I guess this is a more sensible conversion giving my riding here, I'll most probably use the Float 150 RLC to keep the build a little in the light side. I have the NOMAD MK2 for the chunky stuff anyway. Was going to convert the my Superlight to 650B but i might just keep it at 26'er. I might get a good deal on a 2010 (non-tapered) Blur LT medium from someone I know who wants a bronson and his letting it go dirt cheap... BLURSON on the way... will post pictures once I get started... thanks guys!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCOutdoors View Post
    Can anyone give me an idea on what it would cost to build one?
    Including the $900 frame I got from the SC sale, I spent right around $2,000 on my build. That included a mix of new and used parts for an XT/X9 3x9 drivetrain, Fox 32 150mm Float fork, Stans Arch EX wheels, Avid Elixir brakes, and mostly Race Face other bits. I had my seat post dropper already, so if you want one of those add another $200'ish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smmokan View Post
    Including the $900 frame I got from the SC sale, I spent right around $2,000 on my build. That included a mix of new and used parts for an XT/X9 3x9 drivetrain, Fox 32 150mm Float fork, Stans Arch EX wheels, Avid Elixir brakes, and mostly Race Face other bits. I had my seat post dropper already, so if you want one of those add another $200'ish.
    That's pretty good compared to the price of a Bronson which has caught my attention as a kit bike. I want to try and build one but still have a lot to learn about shocks/forks.

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    I have a lot to learn too, but I'm perfectly happy with the setup I have: the Fox 32 150mm Float RL (15mm T/A) on the front and the Float CTD on the rear. Eventually I'll probably upgrade to a 34 front fork, but for the price and the weight, it's a great fork for out here in CO.

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    Can anyone give me some input on a frame size? I'm 6'1"ish and around 31.5inseam.

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    5' 11 - 7/8" w/ 33" inseam...a lrg feels tight w/ a 70mm stem. I need to get my 90mm back on this bike. If I were you, XL to start, and then, maybe a XXL...unsure if they make that tho.

    Edit: FYI, I'm also on a Tallboy LTc...e-top tube is close to 3/4 of inch longer for the same size. Using the same 70mm stem, it feels great!
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    Went to my LBS and got to try a few MB's and got to ask questions. They had an xl BronsonC that felt/looked awesome. My question is how close would a BLT w/650B wheels feel to a Bronson? Are you using a front fork that is spec'd for a 27.5", could I use a 27.5" fork with a 26" wheel? If i understand correctly I can use a 27.5" spec'd fork on a BLT and I wont have any issues with tire clearances? any tire clearance issues for the rear? A Bronson would be cool but pricey.

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    I had my first ride today and I am amazed how well the Blur handles the bigger wheels. I even knocked a few minutes of my lap time, simply because roots and the rock garden were no problem at all. The extra clearance with the BB resulted in no pedal strikes at all either, even though they happen very rarely. The higher CG took about 10 minutes to get used to also. Did a parking lot ride first though.. All in all I am very happy with the conversion. I will get a 650 specific fork in the future as my Fox has almost 6K miles on it and is getting tired. I have WTB Wolverine 2.2 tires on Stans Flow EX hoops with DT Swiss 350 hubs.
    No pics yet as I was too excited to try it out and there was bad weather on the way... 6" of rain on the trails right now..
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    Quote Originally Posted by OCOutdoors View Post
    Went to my LBS and got to try a few MB's and got to ask questions. They had an xl BronsonC that felt/looked awesome. My question is how close would a BLT w/650B wheels feel to a Bronson? Are you using a front fork that is spec'd for a 27.5", could I use a 27.5" fork with a 26" wheel? If i understand correctly I can use a 27.5" spec'd fork on a BLT and I wont have any issues with tire clearances? any tire clearance issues for the rear? A Bronson would be cool but pricey.
    Sorry, can't help you there...don't have a Bronson. Entirely TOO expensive for my budget. Don't even know if I can pick one up if I sold my BLTc AND my TB LTc!
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    OC- I do believe you can use a 650B fork on a Blur LT "conversion" with no issues, although it might be a little "longer" than a standard 26" fork. I've run some really big tires up front on my Fox 32 150mm fork (Trail Taker 2.4" specifically) and I haven't ever had an issue with bottoming out or rubbing. I've only had a WTB Wolverine 2.2"- which is a fairly tall tire- on the rear and it's not an issue either.

    I can't specifically speak to the Blur LT vs Bronson comparison, but I have to imagine they're pretty similar. I'm guessing the Bronson is better on the downhills, but the Blur LT climbs better. I'm not really interested in finding out now anyways- for about $2-3k less I built up a sweet Blur LT 650B conversion that weighs a couple pounds less and is super fun. I'm thinking of picking up another Blur LT frame from the SC sale just to have down the road.

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    Thanks ssmokan- I'm gonna get a parts list together to see what it will cost and go from there. I need to decode some of this MB lingo to figure out what parts are, lol. I also tried a 2013 26" Kona Process that really felt good but the parts weren't as good.

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    This may help... here's a list of my parts build and the costs associated with by Blur LT back in January. There are a couple of zeros where I already had the part, and a couple prices ended up being lower than I estimated in this spreadsheet. My total cost was right around $2,100.

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    Frame Santa Cruz Blur LT- Seabright Blue 900
    Wheelset Stans Arch EX w/XT 365
    Tubeless setup Stans sealant, valve stems 27
    Front Fork Fox Float FIT 150mm RL 325
    Brakes Avid Elixir 3's (white) 60
    Brake rotors Shimano XT Centerlock 38
    Headset Cane Creek 40 70
    Stem FSA Gravity 30
    Handlebar Race Face Respond White 30
    Grips ODI Rogue 0
    Tires WTB Wolverine 2.2" 80
    Crankset Race Face Evolve Triple 110
    Front Derailleur Shimano XT 20
    Rear Derailleur SRAM X9 35
    Derailleur Cables Jagwire Ripcord White 25
    Shifters SRAM X0 55
    Cassette SRAM PG-970 29
    Saddle WTB Pure 35
    Seatpost Rockshox Reverb 0
    Pedals Shimano XT 0
    Chain SRAM 9-spd 20
    TOTAL 2254

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    Thanks for the breakdown. Did you buy all this from one place or just search the net?

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    All over the net. Between eBay, Pinkbike, and the various online retailers, their are a ton of deals out there.

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    Blur 650b

    Quote Originally Posted by smmokan View Post
    All over the net. Between eBay, Pinkbike, and the various online retailers, their are a ton of deals out there.
    OscarWilde, wears the new (SC Blur LT 650b) bike?

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    Blur lt 2.2

    I have recently build my blur lt 2.2 ... here it is... so... with this fork (140 CTD) i just need to get bigger wheels???

    no clearance issues in front and rear???

    having a pair of new 27.5 good wheels in stock sounds nice!!



    My New Blur LT... 650B'ed!-la-foto.jpgMy New Blur LT... 650B'ed!-la-foto-1-.jpg

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    My New Blur LT... 650B'ed!

    That's a beautiful Blur LT!

    As for the conversion... Yep, just get new wheels and tires and you're ready to go. I haven't had clearance issues yet, and I run some pretty tall tires.

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    Is that a pair of 26 inch forks?
    2008 Enduro Expert
    2010 Santa Cruz Blur LT
    2013 Yeti SB66 (WIP)

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    Quote Originally Posted by smmokan View Post
    That's a beautiful Blur LT!

    As for the conversion... Yep, just get new wheels and tires and you're ready to go. I haven't had clearance issues yet, and I run some pretty tall tires.
    smmokan: saw your bike for sale on CL here locally... what gives?

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    Heh... sold it yesterday. It didn't really have anything to do with not liking the bike, I really just wanted a new project over the winter since we won't be riding anytime soon. I bought a new/used Bronson to replace the Blur LT. It was kind of bitter-sweet selling it, I was sad to see it go.

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    How does the Bronson compare to the 650'd BLT?

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