Frames, built bikes, weights, opinions, lets have it!
When you say finally, how long are you talking? I sent my peddles into Crank Bros for a warranty repair about 2 weeks ago, and I was told it would be a 2-3 day turn around on their end... I may have to find something else to use in the meantime.krolik said:Joplin R (finally arrived from warranty clamp exchange plus upgraded to Remote for free)
Finally means it took 3.5 weeks Poland-USA-Poland, express shipping on both ends. Mind you we had a free long weekend here in Poland which delays the shipping 4days on my side.Boogie Man said:When you say finally, how long are you talking? I sent my peddles into Crank Bros for a warranty repair about 2 weeks ago, and I was told it would be a 2-3 day turn around on their end... I may have to find something else to use in the meantime.
Thanks that makes me feel a little better. Hopefully, my peddles won't be much longer.krolik said:Finally means it took 3.5 weeks Poland-USA-Poland, express shipping on both ends. Mind you we had a free long weekend here in Poland which delays the shipping 4days on my side.
Yeti makes frames in Taiwan too.MtnBikerDan said:Have you scrutinized a Moots, or Merlin, or Yeti or Ventana frame.... all hand welded and mighty fine work. Paul Sadoff, Rick Hunter, John Caletti these guys are artists with a Tig torch. If a machine welded frame looks better than any Made in USA frame you've ever seen, I think you may need to look more closely at more US made frames.
yep I've noticed that too.munkyboy said:hey those are new frame graphics - where is the 'swoosh' over the lettering and on the seat stay - does this mean all frames are getting the new look?
Yeah, you'd think with attention to detail, better accuracy and precision, superior fabrication all around, better finish and assembly, the superior Taiwanese frames would cost alot more than the USA made.MtnBikerDan said:Made in Taiwan for a Made in USA price.
Or maybe the $1750 price of a powdercoated frame would be over 2k like an Intense 5.5.MtnBikerDan said:Made in Taiwan for a Made in USA price.
Amen to that! The latest Taiwan frames have become increasingly higher in quality, and not just from Santa Cruz.syadasti said:Yeti makes frames in Taiwan too.
Numerous US frame builders use materials and parts from overseas in their US made framesets.
Taiwan has world class bike manufacturers, so that argument isn't solid. They build it to the spec requested by the brand and can do anything they want in terms of quality and features.
You have a very poor understanding of modern economics if you are spouting that typical made in the USA story.
Look on the "bright" side though. Since this country has been run horribly over the last 8 years our dollar is weak enough for both domestic and foreign companies to bring more production back our way.
Their high volume models are Taiwan made. - AS-X , DJ, and 575 and their prices reflect that fact, being $100's cheaper than they would be if US made.syadasti said:Yeti makes frames in Taiwan too.
I don't care, I have my preference for US made frames for personal reasons.syadasti said:Numerous US frame builders use materials and parts from overseas in their US made framesets.
Never said they didn't, on the contrary, SPC derived mass production mfg that has been adopted by Asian markets was the brain child of an American who was snubbed by US big business. BUT 1 operator tending 4-10 robots isn't a craftsman, he's an operator/engineer.syadasti said:Taiwan has world class bike manufacturers, so that argument isn't solid. They build it to the spec requested by the brand and can do anything they want in terms of quality and features.
What story is that? I want to buy local American to feed a local American family?syadasti said:You have a very poor understanding of modern economics if you are spouting that typical made in the USA story.
That "bright" side might be a Nuclear flashsyadasti said:Look on the "bright" side though. Since this country has been run horribly over the last 8 years our dollar is weak enough for both domestic and foreign companies to bring more production back our way.
The bike manufacturers have a small footprint overall compared to the mining and processing companies that make the materials that go in to the bike. That is were made in the US won't really mean much as most of the materials are from overseas - that is were it matters but good luck finding that out from any bike maker. Mining and processing operations are horrible for the environment even in the US. Overall making a bike or bike parts is bad for the environment regardless of what country you are in.MtnBikerDan said:OTOH - Taiwan doesn't have the environmental standards in place, I wouldn't be surprised that they dump toxic mfg by products directly into the environment. And expose their operators to all the toxic fumes from tig welding to boot.
What can you say about the continual damage being done by them to our already injured planet?
What kind of carbon footprint does a Taiwan made frame have compared to a US made one? Factory, Truck, Ship, Truck, Truck,shop? compared to factory, truck, truck,shop.
and that's not considering the Carbon footprint of getting the production materials to the factories, and unregulated environmental concerns.
so maybe that's why they cost more; in order to get my made in Taiwan bike, I gotta pay compensation to put more hurt on the environment.