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    Something new coming June 1st! Oh what could it be?
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    A tweet from TrailScotland.co.uk

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    After finding the tweet, here is the link:

    http://www.trailscotland.co.uk/santa...lusive-launch/

    ďThe product launch is a world exclusive Ė itís going to blow people away."

    Let the wild and crazy speculation begin!
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    It's obviously a Bronson TRc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash-VR View Post
    It's obviously a Bronson TRc...
    I hope your speculation is right on the money!!
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    I told y'all SC had something else coming . . . . you guys didn't really think that SC would let the Bronson fly solo as the only 650b bike in their lineup did you?!

    Edit: Should added my predictions . . . . low and slack 650b trail bike, built around a 130mm fork, with ~4.92" of rear travel and about ~13.5" BB height. In otherwords . . . a 650b TRc.

    Edit Edit: and the frame will be < 5lbs.
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    What 007 said. I want one. I hope you are right guys. Clearly the Bronson won't go solo, but the big thing is when, when will they accompany it.....

    When you look at it, SC has a potential gap in the Trail category. The TB LT could be more in AM, leaving some big wheeled TR action to come. Certainly some interesting possibilities lay ahead.

    Anyway my desires aside, the TB is their biggest seller ever. The TBc has been out for a while, so economics would dictate that an update would be the next thing on their mind. Keeping the lead seller in the lead and prominent in the marketís mind will be important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamK View Post
    What 007 said. I want one. I hope you are right guys. Clearly the Bronson won't go solo, but the big thing is when, when will they accompany it.....

    When you look at it, SC has a potential gap in the Trail category. The TB LT could be more in AM, leaving some big wheeled TR action to come. Certainly some interesting possibilities lay ahead.

    Anyway my desires aside, the TB is their biggest seller ever. The TBc has been out for a while, so economics would dictate that an update would be the next thing on their mind. Keeping the lead seller in the lead and prominent in the marketís mind will be important.
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    Hey all...Looking for some clarification/enlightenment. What would the main differences be in the current Bronson and a Bronson TRc?
    I'm new to SC bikes but have really been reading a lot about the Bronson and will be able to try one out in the near future. My concern is that it might be more bike than I need. A little history---used to ride a Yeti 575 then drank the 29er kool-aid and have been on a hard tail 29er for the last two years. I have missed the squish and now it's time to get back on a full sussy and start going faster again. I really like the idea of the 650b wheel size and the benefits of it and really like everything I've seen and read about SC. I like to ride all over and ride up but the ride down is why I ride up.

    So...if SC puts out a 650b Bronson TRc will it basically be a scaled down version or significantly different? Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cryde View Post
    Hey all...Looking for some clarification/enlightenment. What would the main differences be in the current Bronson and a Bronson TRc?
    I'm new to SC bikes but have really been reading a lot about the Bronson and will be able to try one out in the near future. My concern is that it might be more bike than I need. A little history---used to ride a Yeti 575 then drank the 29er kool-aid and have been on a hard tail 29er for the last two years. I have missed the squish and now it's time to get back on a full sussy and start going faster again. I really like the idea of the 650b wheel size and the benefits of it and really like everything I've seen and read about SC. I like to ride all over and ride up but the ride down is why I ride up.

    So...if SC puts out a 650b Bronson TRc will it basically be a scaled down version or significantly different? Thanks.
    Of course this is purely speculation, but you can bet that its going to be different enough so as to not significantly overlap with the Bronson. Make no mistake, the Bronson is a burly bike . . . whatever else they've got up their sleeve is likely going to be more of a trail rocket. Low, slack and light.
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    I don't know what it will be, but I bet its been 20 years in the making.

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    Ah, an invite for some outrageous and non-evidence based speculation. Much better than finishing off work here at 4+ pm.

    The Bronson has a BB that is on the higher side IMO, looks like only a 3mm BB drop. Not bad, at least it is a drop. The CS was lengthened to provide stability and given the speed a Bronson could go at, that is a very good thing.

    I look at Intense and they have a VPP 150mm 650B bike with a CS of 17Ē, shorter and stability compensated with it being lower in the BB, which gives a berm railing BB drop of 10mm. Ah, thatís more to my liking.

    So to hone in on trail riding, my hope is, low, slack and slightly shorter CS than a Bronson. 17Ē CS can be done. This will shorten the wheel base slightly, further improving nimbleness for trail riding.

    Now, my speculation might go out the window next week because I am getting a Bronson to test ride for a few days. I could be seduced and made to eat my speculation (yuk, what could be worse...), which will probably go with the stupid grin on my face. Which in turn will go with my wifeís angry face and my empty wallet....

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    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamK View Post
    Now, my speculation might go out the window next week because I am getting a Bronson to test ride for a few days..
    Can you try it with a "short shock".....make it all TRc like?

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    a trail Bronson is my guess as well not because there is really a huge gap in their lineup for it, but because thats what customers will want and its more in line with what most people would think a 650b bike should be. travel 120-130mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamK View Post
    Anyway my desires aside, the TB is their biggest seller ever. The TBc has been out for a while, so economics would dictate that an update would be the next thing on their mind. Keeping the lead seller in the lead and prominent in the marketís mind will be important.
    I'm up for an update on the Tallboy. The Tallboy being out for sometime and still being all that, an update would be real nice. The Tallboy and Jet9RDO seem to over and over again get so much attention. That says alot about doing something and doing it right the first time. Lets see what they come out with, not that far away...

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    my bet is a Nomad 29"or 27.5" to strike back Spec Enduro 29, if it's a product which is going to blow people's minds it has to be something really innovative I suppose....

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    Considering Fort William DH race is a week after, I am willing to bet a 650b v10.

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    I think a Bronson TRc is too similar to the original Bronson for now. They just released the Bronson, they don't want to start cannibalizing their sales already by confusing their customers with multiple models. I think it will either be a refresh of an existing best-seller (like the tallboy), or a "re-imagining" of a best-seller, like a 650B Nomad or something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerms View Post
    I think a Bronson TRc is too similar to the original Bronson for now. They just released the Bronson, they don't want to start cannibalizing their sales already by confusing their customers with multiple models. I think it will either be a refresh of an existing best-seller (like the tallboy), or a "re-imagining" of a best-seller, like a 650B Nomad or something like that.
    So a Bronson TRc is too similar to the Bronson but a 650b Nomad is sufficiently different?

    A TB refresh does make sense, and I'm sure its forthcoming, though I'll bet money that this is not the "reveal" that's coming on the first.

    And a trail oriented 650b is definitely not going to detract sales from the Bronson . . . very different applications of the same platform.
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    @007, what do you think it'll happen with the Nomad then? Do you think it'll eventually disappear?

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    Tallboy TRc FTW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ban View Post
    @007, what do you think it'll happen with the Nomad then? Do you think it'll eventually disappear?
    Depends on what happens with the Bronson and how it sells
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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post

    Edit: Should added my predictions . . . . low and slack 650b trail bike, built around a 130mm fork, with ~4.92" of rear travel and about ~13.5" BB height. In otherwords . . . a 650b TRc.

    Edit Edit: and the frame will be < 5lbs.
    How is this any different than a current TRc 650b conversion? The only real difference will be the ability to fit fatter 650b tires on it.

    All they need to do is make a new TRc rear triangle with replaceable dropouts, like the Carbine has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dispatch View Post
    Considering Fort William DH race is a week after, I am willing to bet a 650b v10.
    +1
    I've been trying to get the Canfield guys to build a 650b rear end for the Jedi...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wncunderground View Post
    Tallboy TRc FTW.
    I assume you mean a Tallboy that is less XC and more trail, right? 120mm travel seems to be the sweet spot for trail 29ers, so a Tallboy with 120mm travel and a bit slacker geometry, while keeping the chainstays at 17.5" or shorter, should be very popular.

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    low and slack is whats hot now rail'n corners is a blast. a more comfortable climbing 650b, will come later. here's what light looks like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jabrabu View Post
    How is this any different than a current TRc 650b conversion? The only real difference will be the ability to fit fatter 650b tires on it.

    All they need to do is make a new TRc rear triangle with replaceable dropouts, like the Carbine has.
    Because a) it would be purpose-built frame from the ground up, and not a "conversion;" b) you can run fatter 650b tires on it; c) anything - and I don't care what it is - that is built for two possible platforms (in this case 26" and 27.5" wheels) will necessarily make compromises in order to achieve that flexibility; d) what makes you think that the TRc is going to stay in the lineup?

    One thing that SC has done a tremendous job of is creating pervasive loyalty, and not just for their brand, but for the specific bikes in the line up. Anytime there is suggestion that a model is no longer "the latest/greatest" or might face the axe, man do people get riled up and rally to it's defense!

    The writing is on the wall folks . . . my grandiose predictions are that there will be a 650b trail bike coming on June 1. SC will monitor sales between the competing bikes in the line up (Bronson-Nomad; TRc-mystery bike) and the platform that undersells is done. Maybe it will be the 650b bikes? Maybe it will be the 26" bikes . . . who knows! Its comparable to what they did with the APP bikes and the single pivots. Single pivot's won based on the numbers, and where are the APP bikes now?

    One thing is for sure though . . . the BlurLT is a done deal. It no longer "fits" the market because it makes too many compromises.
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    Is it supposed to be that new Julianna? I don't know, since that info is already out there, maybe it is something different.

    i don't know, I know nothing. I had two orders of hash browns this morning though, that's all I care about at this moment.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    So a Bronson TRc is too similar to the Bronson but a 650b Nomad is sufficiently different?

    A TB refresh does make sense, and I'm sure its forthcoming, though I'll bet money that this is not the "reveal" that's coming on the first.

    And a trail oriented 650b is definitely not going to detract sales from the Bronson . . . very different applications of the same platform.
    If this is really a "BIG REVEAL", why are they doing it at a relatively obscure event when their main customer base is in the U.S. I can see the angle that they are trying to improve their customer base in Europe, but still kind of a head scratcher...

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    That's just a custom badged Nomad:
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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    That's just a custom badged Nomad:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Craw View Post
    Ah yes, I see
    Still a super sweet bike though, and those black stanchions look awesome! Much better than Fox's blingy bling Kashima.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    Still a super sweet bike though, and those black stanchions look awesome! Much better than Fox's blingy bling Kashima.
    Agree, totally. The black is awesome. Related note, not to stray too far off topic, the Enduro slideshow on Vitalmtb.com is worth checking out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craw View Post
    Agree, totally. The black is awesome. Related note, not to stray too far off topic, the Enduro slideshow on Vitalmtb.com is worth checking out.
    My boss would neg rep you for distracting me.

    Edit: that WAS worth watching
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    EDIT: Damn, I'm an idiot.... you guys already covered this!


    Well Anka Martin seems to be riding something new at the Enduro series this weekend ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by whistlerdan View Post
    Well Anka Martin seems to be riding something new at the Enduro series this weekend ?

    Check photo #12 in this post on Vital : SLIDESHOW: Historic Enduro World Series Kick Off in Punta Ala, Italy - Mountain Biking Pictures - Vital MTB

    Captioned : Anka Martin on a new Santa Cruz ________

    Looks like 650b .... and pretty sure that says Juliana on the side of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    My boss would neg rep you for distracting me.

    Edit: that WAS worth watching
    Haha yup, same here. Although rapidly switching between browser windows, and work at least "sounds" like working.

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    that's a red painted nomad, but I think this could be a sign that we see a Julianna Bronson 650b on June 1st

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    You go it. Throw on some iscg 05 tabs, 120mm rear travel, internal dropper post routing, slacken the head angle a couple of degrees, make it compatible with up to a 140-150mm fork, make it 1x compatible only and shorten the chainstays as much as possible. Those would be my suggestions and would turn it into a trail killer.

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    650 v10
    Fox came out with the fox40 for 650 wheels

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    Given the venue, it does seem like this will be downhill oriented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabrabu View Post
    I assume you mean a Tallboy that is less XC and more trail, right? 120mm travel seems to be the sweet spot for trail 29ers, so a Tallboy with 120mm travel and a bit slacker geometry, while keeping the chainstays at 17.5" or shorter, should be very popular.
    The bike you describe would lead me to sell my TBLT (to achieve the combos of performance, light weight, and fitting 2 bottles on the frame for long rides). I'd probably stick with a 34 stanchion fork though if they fitted it with a 32.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike T View Post
    The bike you describe would lead me to sell my TBLT (to achieve the combos of performance, light weight, and fitting 2 bottles on the frame for long rides). I'd probably stick with a 34 stanchion fork though if they fitted it with a 32.
    The weight isn't going to be significantly different if you spec a 34 fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    The weight isn't going to be significantly different if you spec a 34 fork.
    Yeah, you're right about that. It's just that I recently rode my TBLT and my friend's TB back to back on the same rocky, chunky trail and the TBLT performance seemed dramatically better in the front end on that terrain with the 34 compared to the 32 that I'd be willing to suffer the weight penalty (perhaps I'm deluded and the performance was in the 135mm rear compared to 100mm, but I don't think that was entirely so).
    So I guess my deciding factor is 2 bottle cages, which seems a silly reason for frame choice, but I do hate riding with a backpack!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike T View Post
    Yeah, you're right about that. It's just that I recently rode my TBLT and my friend's TB back to back on the same rocky, chunky trail and the TBLT performance seemed dramatically better in the front end on that terrain with the 34 compared to the 32 that I'd be willing to suffer the weight penalty (perhaps I'm deluded and the performance was in the 135mm rear compared to 100mm, but I don't think that was entirely so).
    So I guess my deciding factor is 2 bottle cages, which seems a silly reason for frame choice, but I do hate riding with a backpack!
    I hear you. I ride with a pack, but I'd still like to have a bottle in the frame. My only complaint about the bike really.

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    I am doing the POC king queen enduro at the tweedlove festival .There is also DH races duel slalom,road races etc....The glentress 7 is a xc race were they are doing the product launch. So my bet is on a xc bike.

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    Maybe they're releasing a disc-equipped, carbon cross bike ? Who knows ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike T View Post
    Yeah, you're right about that. It's just that I recently rode my TBLT and my friend's TB back to back on the same rocky, chunky trail and the TBLT performance seemed dramatically better in the front end on that terrain with the 34 compared to the 32 that I'd be willing to suffer the weight penalty (perhaps I'm deluded and the performance was in the 135mm rear compared to 100mm, but I don't think that was entirely so).
    So I guess my deciding factor is 2 bottle cages, which seems a silly reason for frame choice, but I do hate riding with a backpack!
    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    I hear you. I ride with a pack, but I'd still like to have a bottle in the frame. My only complaint about the bike really.
    The lack of cage mounts is really a drawback for the BlurLT and the TBLT in my opinion, and I don't want one run on the UNDERSIDE of the DT either where its multipurposed as a mudflap as well.

    I too would spec a 34 fork if available for whatever my next build is . . . I just wish someone would do a short-travel burly trail fork. 34/35x140 would be tits for what I ride.

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    650 v10
    Fox came out with the fox40 for 650 wheels
    I'll bet money that its not a DH bike . . .
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    this must be the folding bike I heard about.
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    Well fox have the 650b 40, enve released the 650b dh rim, v10 carbon 27.5

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    Hi Gripo, Yes that thought did pass my mind, 140mm, 130mm. Better wait and see for a few weeks, kick yourself if you could have had it lighter and with a slightly shorter WB.

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    I know this isn't "it" but just for discussion purposes... what would you say about an adjustable travel TB? Between 100 and 120 giving you the XC and "TR" in the same bike? Seems like a a number of companies had adjustable travel frames a few years ago now there's just a lot more bike models with just slightly different geo's and travel or wheel size.
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    I'd be all for TBc 120 rear and a wee bit slacker

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedster View Post
    I'd be all for TBc 120 rear and a wee bit slacker
    Me too :-)

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    Reporting back:

    I took a L Charlie out for a run today. Tennis ball yellow and it looked great in the changing light conditions I had this morning. It was fitted with 2.4 HRs and 2.25 Ardent on some heavy steel wheels (yuk). A Fox 34 on the front, desperately needs to be a Rockshok, and out the back was a Bos air shock. 50mm stem on 730mm bars. Fit was fine, Iím 5í 11 ĹĒ or 181cm.

    First impressions are that this is a highly sorted high end bike. Very nice, great balance, great poise.

    Second impression Ė Pedalling

    First of all, Iíve ridden various SC bikes (29Ē and 26Ē), and have also owned Blur Lt, XCc and Trc (and a Highball). Oh, and I 650B converted my Trc for a month to. I tend towards efficient pedalling bikes, so the longer travel bikes arenít my go for the climbing I have to do and the whippets I have to ride with. Years back, I had an ASR 5C for a month of testing and I didnít like its pedalling on the flats and ups. Fun bike on the downs, but the XCc was more than a match for it up and down. Now a year ago I would have said to you, there is no way I need a lot of travel, no way I would need 150mm, I donít need to lug that up hills. Iíd respect it on the downs, donít get me wrong, it is really a matter of where the compromise best suits your riding and trails. For me, itís got to be efficient and then fun on the downs, have a handling capability that belies its limited travel Ė enter the TRc.

    With that background, I just want to make this super subjective statement. Full of new bike blush and bias, full of wanting it to be better because its new and all yellow and totally lacking any definitive measurements - impressions only.

    The Bronson is a very very efficient pedaller. Here is the list of what it out pedals that ran through my mind while on a grind. Blur TRc, Blur LTc and NomadC. Whatís it like, to me it pedals as well as a Blur XCc. It is nuts. And, it is better than an XCc on the flats or slight rises, because those bigger wheels have you rolling better.

    I watched the rear shock on a steeper fire road climb, and it definitely moves less than a TRc rear shock on a climb. It is freaky, I want to know how they did it....

    2.4s are fatter than I usually run on trails (on bike trips yeah), but for what they are they rolled really well, a significant indicator. It has all the hallmarks of a 29er type rolling. Not as good, but you can feel it is somewhat like it. On very slight grades, it entices you to mash out a higher gear and you are rewarded with better rolling. Or should I say, improved rolling.

    These are some short notes on my first impressions. I hope to ride some of my Ďhomeí trails tomorrow and really explore the bike some more.

    Because impression number three was, gee this is nimble. A no brainer comment here, it does feel like a bigger bike, but conversely, it is surprisingly nimble. I felt the TR still ripped berms better and so it should with a 1 ĹĒ shorter wheel base, but I was starting to get some action happening with my growing familiarity. The 650s helped it to exit corners faster, that I have notice before.

    All in all, this is a very fast bike. So capable, yet, very able to stretch your personal abilities. What it can or could do is faster than most peopleís skill sets. Having said that, it is very admirable to ride at any pace. I find the TR has to be applied to shine, old Charlie rolls better and is a pleasure everywhere. I think more people are going to like it. I also think, what is the point of the Blur or the Nomad anymore Ė thatís not trying to be antagonistic, itís just an opinion or conclusion about past bikes I have loved and admired and respected and about how good this latest bike is, possibly it is a culmination of 20years.

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    I say 29'er and 650B women's specific bikes..
    We need more options for the ladies !!

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    There's a bunch of excellent new bikes coming from SC.... Lighter weight for sure....

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    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamK View Post
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    A Fox 34 on the front, desperately needs to be a Rockshok, and out the back was a Bos air shock. 50mm stem on 730mm bars.


    I watched the rear shock on a steeper fire road climb, and it definitely moves less than a TRc rear shock on a climb. It is freaky, I want to know how they did it....
    Interesting. I wonder if that was due to the bike or due to the rear shock.

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    santa cruz roadster carbon maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamK View Post
    I also think, what is the point of the Blur or the Nomad anymore
    Thank goodness SOMEONE else get's it . . .

    Loved the impressions and will look forward to more long term thoughts. I particularly value your impressions of the climbing ability on this one as that's my biggest concern. I too question if I need 150mm of rear travel, truth is I probably don't . . . but if the bike rides well all-around, then who cares?

    Still really interested to see what's coming on a couple weeks . . . . I have my suspicions, but we'll see!!
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    A correction

    Above I said the stem was 50mm, sorry, it is actually a 70mm stem.

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    I ran some measurements for my own info, thought Iíd share these. The BB height was 348mm, 13.7Ē and the FOC was 733mm which was interesting because the FOC on my TR is 715mm and it is a sub 67⁰ HA.

    My second run this morning was on some home turf and I could enjoy and appreciate some more of what the bike had to offer. Still pedals amazingly, I still subjectively believe it pedals better than a TRc.

    Another thing I noticed with the bigger tyres (in both directions) is the braking capacity, man it can really pull up HARD. Having XO Trails helps of course.

    Generally the bike, as expected, was faster everywhere, holds better speed between features and is still playful to ride. Hop over logs, pop off lips and general mayhem is all there. (I think the volume of the TR is probably a little louder for the mayhem, but it canít carry the speed the same Ė compromises. TR definitely leans harder, but that could also be familiarity, but I donít think so.)

    I was able to settle in with the bike some more this morning and I had a Zen moment, where it disappeared under me and I could just flow through the single track focused on the flow. We were getting very close to each other, second ride in. You donít need me to say it, but it is a very very good bike.

    I to will hold out for a week or two, see what comes. Vain hope probably. I can only begin to imagine what lower version would be capable of.....

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    June 1st tomorrow.....

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    Knowing SC . . . they'll be late with the announcement. I'm giving them a week's margin of error.
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    Hi folks, the new bike bad been revelated here in France.
    He is name is the Solo, itīs a 650b bike with 125mm of travel, 68 degres head angle, 73 degres seat angle...
    Describe by SC guys as a baby Bronson...
    Frame gona ne avalaible in carbon or aluminium...



    This is the Solo, sorry for the poor quality but it's a picture of a forts page of a French magazine

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    I called it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash-VR View Post
    I called it.


    If that were true, I'd offer you a prize . . . but its not.
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    I've been building up the willpower to pull the trigger on a bronson, but with this news -- glad I'm holding back just a bit longer - would prefer something just a bit lighter, with a little less travel. Solo would be interesting, but .. doesn't sound like its reality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khaspir View Post
    I've been building up the willpower to pull the trigger on a bronson, but with this news -- glad I'm holding back just a bit longer - would prefer something just a bit lighter, with a little less travel. Solo would be interesting, but .. doesn't sound like its reality?
    I'm pretty sure its real . . . unless that French mag is okay with just makin' shit up!

    Here's a better pic of the cover:
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    Never know with those french folk ...

    Found a link that confirms things a little - thanks!!

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    Man I want that new Syndicate saddle. WTB and SC both can't/won't sell it to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by mestapho View Post
    Man I want that new Syndicate saddle. WTB and SC both can't/won't sell it to me
    You mean the South African flag one that Greg Minaar is riding? Yeah, its pretty badass . . . something else that's pretty sweet are the limited edition Union Jack Thomson Elite seatposts floating about. Those are easier to get though if you look hard enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post


    If that were true, I'd offer you a prize . . . but its not.

    See, what happened here is that I misread your skeptisicm as being about the Solo content, rather than Crash-VR's claim. Oops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    You mean the South African flag one that Greg Minaar is riding? Yeah, its pretty badass . . . something else that's pretty sweet are the limited edition Union Jack Thomson Elite seatposts floating about. Those are easier to get though if you look hard enough.
    It's what all the syndicate guys had at SOC. Not the South African flag but just the red and white stripes like in the picture of the Solo

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    Any geo info on the diffrent frame sizes? This might be the bike to get me back on a santa cruz!
    Quote Originally Posted by pierroleloup View Post
    Hi folks, the new bike bad been revelated here in France.
    He is name is the Solo, itīs a 650b bike with 125mm of travel, 68 degres head angle, 73 degres seat angle...
    Describe by SC guys as a baby Bronson...
    Frame gona ne avalaible in carbon or aluminium...



    This is the Solo, sorry for the poor quality but it's a picture of a forts page of a French magazine

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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post


    If that were true, I'd offer you a prize . . . but its not.
    What? You mean you wouldn't call this a 27.5 version of the TRc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fuenstock View Post
    Any geo info on the diffrent frame sizes? This might be the bike to get me back on a santa cruz!
    Best bet is that the geo will match the Juliana 650b -

    Juliana Bicycles | The Original Women's Mountain Bike

    &nbsp; S M L
    WHEEL SIZE 27.5&quot; 27.5&quot; 27.5&quot;
    STANDOVER 28.0 28.2 28.5
    SEAT TUBE LENGtd - CENTER TO TOP 16.3 17.0 18.5
    TOP TUBE 21.8 23.0 24.0
    HEAD TUBE &deg; 68.0 68.0 68.0
    SEAT TUBE &deg; 73.0 73.0 73.0
    [UL]
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    [/UL]
    BOTTOM BRACKET HEIGHT 13.1 13.1 13.1
    WHEEL BASE 42.6 43.9 44.9
    HEAD TUBE LENGtd 3.5 3.9 4.3
    CHAINSTAY LENGtd 17.1 17.1 17.1
    SEAT TUBE ANGLE &mdash; EFFECTIVE 73.0 73.0 73.0
    REACH 14.8 15.9 16.8
    STACK 22.9 23.2 23.6
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    Solo (5.73 lbs) & Solo carbon (5.06 lbs). 125mm "Trail"

    It would be nice, SCruz Webmaster, if you didn't have an auth popup for every page... Buy a dev server.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kattrap View Post
    Solo (5.73 lbs) & Solo carbon (5.06 lbs). 125mm "Trail"

    It would be nice, SCruz Webmaster, if you didn't have an auth popup for every page... Buy a dev server.
    Did I miss something? I didn't see the Solo on the main Santa Cruz site.

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    The assets (images and text) for the Solo has been created, but it's not published yet. They are also trying to keep us from getting the info before the official launch, hence the constant log-in requests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kattrap View Post
    Solo (5.73 lbs) & Solo carbon (5.06 lbs). 125mm "Trail"

    It would be nice, SCruz Webmaster, if you didn't have an auth popup for every page... Buy a dev server.
    Is the 5.73 lbs for the aluminum frame? If so, that's a really light frame. Most of their AL frames are 1.5 to 2 lbs heavier than the carbon version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash-VR View Post
    What? You mean you wouldn't call this a 27.5 version of the TRc?
    No, that's exactly what this is . . . a TR 275. The notion of such a bike, however, was brought forth long before you "called it."
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    Quote Originally Posted by wheatgerm View Post
    Is the 5.73 lbs for the aluminum frame? If so, that's a really light frame. Most of their AL frames are 1.5 to 2 lbs heavier than the carbon version.
    That discrepancy is actually fairly consistent with the VPP frames. For the BlurLT, the carbon frame only saved about 2/3rds of a pound. I haven't looked in a while though, so maybe that discrepancy has grown.

    I agree that <6lbs for an AL 5" travel frame is pretty damn light . . . I can't believe I'm about to say this, but it makes me start to question the strength of such a frame! Carbon can easily pull off weights like that . . . AL, I'm not so sure!
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    I wonder if the TRC's days are numbered now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve.E View Post
    I wonder if the TRC's days are numbered now?
    In the french mag, one of the SC engineer, says that the TRC will stay in the range. They'll observe the evolution of the market to know if it'll stay or no...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    That discrepancy is actually fairly consistent with the VPP frames. For the BlurLT, the carbon frame only saved about 2/3rds of a pound. I haven't looked in a while though, so maybe that discrepancy has grown.

    I agree that <6lbs for an AL 5" travel frame is pretty damn light . . . I can't believe I'm about to say this, but it makes me start to question the strength of such a frame! Carbon can easily pull off weights like that . . . AL, I'm not so sure!
    The carbon frames have gotten lighter as models evolved. BronsonA = 6.8, BronsonC = 5.3, Blur TRa = 6.58, Blur TRc = 4.69, TallboyLTa = 7.1, Tallboy LTc = 5.18

    This things a full pound lighter then the Blur TRa. I would still likely get the carbon though.

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    The shock's upside down. That would confuse the bejesus outta me with the switches and all.

    Anyway nice bike bro. Matte black and green would put a horn on a jellyfish.

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    June 1st

    What is it with SC paint choices, freakin horrid orange, even th matte black has got some left over green on it...

    Anways an easy bike design for them, the Solo has been test out on the trail for a couple years now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gripo View Post

    Anways an easy bike design for them, the Solo has been test out on the trail for a couple years now.
    650B is the official "meh" wheelsize... So it's a TR with a whopping 7mm bigger rim. Well done SC.

    So are all the 26" bikes on death row now?

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    This is the bike I've been waiting for... But I''ll have to keep saving and dreaming until next year sometime.

    Also have to say, that's the best SC video ( one of the best company promo videos) I've seen yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfs69 View Post

    I wonder how different the ride will be compared to the TBLT. For a large, the wheel base is almost exactly the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markymark View Post
    So are all the 26" bikes on death row now?
    I don't know about "death row" yet, but they are certainly "on trial" . . . if the 650b market takes off to a similar degree as to which the 29er market did, then yes, I think its safe to say that the 26" wheeled bike will become harder and harder to find. The one exception, I bet, will be the DH circuit . . . that's where I think 26ers will stick around the longest, but its only a matter of time.

    There is a very reputable and high-end LBS near me and they are not at all shy about the fact that they will not be ordering or stocking anymore 26" bikes except for paid-in-full special orders. Note, however, that where I'm at its mostly XC/trail/light AM riding.

    I could be totally wrong though! 650b could turn out to be too much of a compromise and go totally belly-up. We'll all know in ~5 years!
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    The Matte Black w/Grey & Green is sweet . . . one of the best looking SC frames yet.

    Edit: SC has LOST THEIR F$&*ING MIND on pricing. LOST. THEIR. MIND.

    R Kit = $4200
    SPX Kit = $6000
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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    The Matte Black w/Grey & Green is sweet . . . one of the best looking SC frames yet.

    Edit: SC has LOST THEIR F$&*ING MIND on pricing. LOST. THEIR. MIND.

    R Kit = $4200
    SPX Kit = $6000
    I thought the same thing, website is messed up, when you click on the aluminum one you are directed to the carbon, when you click on the carbon you get the aluminum

    So the AL are $3200 and $5200, but it's still a bit higher than the TB and TBLT for SPX at $4350 and $4450. I'm thinking the SPX kit price is wrong.
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