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    Something new coming June 1st! Oh what could it be?
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    A tweet from TrailScotland.co.uk

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    After finding the tweet, here is the link:

    http://www.trailscotland.co.uk/santa...lusive-launch/

    “The product launch is a world exclusive – it’s going to blow people away."

    Let the wild and crazy speculation begin!
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    It's obviously a Bronson TRc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crash-VR View Post
    It's obviously a Bronson TRc...
    I hope your speculation is right on the money!!
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    I told y'all SC had something else coming . . . . you guys didn't really think that SC would let the Bronson fly solo as the only 650b bike in their lineup did you?!

    Edit: Should added my predictions . . . . low and slack 650b trail bike, built around a 130mm fork, with ~4.92" of rear travel and about ~13.5" BB height. In otherwords . . . a 650b TRc.

    Edit Edit: and the frame will be < 5lbs.
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    What 007 said. I want one. I hope you are right guys. Clearly the Bronson won't go solo, but the big thing is when, when will they accompany it.....

    When you look at it, SC has a potential gap in the Trail category. The TB LT could be more in AM, leaving some big wheeled TR action to come. Certainly some interesting possibilities lay ahead.

    Anyway my desires aside, the TB is their biggest seller ever. The TBc has been out for a while, so economics would dictate that an update would be the next thing on their mind. Keeping the lead seller in the lead and prominent in the market’s mind will be important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamK View Post
    What 007 said. I want one. I hope you are right guys. Clearly the Bronson won't go solo, but the big thing is when, when will they accompany it.....

    When you look at it, SC has a potential gap in the Trail category. The TB LT could be more in AM, leaving some big wheeled TR action to come. Certainly some interesting possibilities lay ahead.

    Anyway my desires aside, the TB is their biggest seller ever. The TBc has been out for a while, so economics would dictate that an update would be the next thing on their mind. Keeping the lead seller in the lead and prominent in the market’s mind will be important.
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    Hey all...Looking for some clarification/enlightenment. What would the main differences be in the current Bronson and a Bronson TRc?
    I'm new to SC bikes but have really been reading a lot about the Bronson and will be able to try one out in the near future. My concern is that it might be more bike than I need. A little history---used to ride a Yeti 575 then drank the 29er kool-aid and have been on a hard tail 29er for the last two years. I have missed the squish and now it's time to get back on a full sussy and start going faster again. I really like the idea of the 650b wheel size and the benefits of it and really like everything I've seen and read about SC. I like to ride all over and ride up but the ride down is why I ride up.

    So...if SC puts out a 650b Bronson TRc will it basically be a scaled down version or significantly different? Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cryde View Post
    Hey all...Looking for some clarification/enlightenment. What would the main differences be in the current Bronson and a Bronson TRc?
    I'm new to SC bikes but have really been reading a lot about the Bronson and will be able to try one out in the near future. My concern is that it might be more bike than I need. A little history---used to ride a Yeti 575 then drank the 29er kool-aid and have been on a hard tail 29er for the last two years. I have missed the squish and now it's time to get back on a full sussy and start going faster again. I really like the idea of the 650b wheel size and the benefits of it and really like everything I've seen and read about SC. I like to ride all over and ride up but the ride down is why I ride up.

    So...if SC puts out a 650b Bronson TRc will it basically be a scaled down version or significantly different? Thanks.
    Of course this is purely speculation, but you can bet that its going to be different enough so as to not significantly overlap with the Bronson. Make no mistake, the Bronson is a burly bike . . . whatever else they've got up their sleeve is likely going to be more of a trail rocket. Low, slack and light.
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    I don't know what it will be, but I bet its been 20 years in the making.

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    Ah, an invite for some outrageous and non-evidence based speculation. Much better than finishing off work here at 4+ pm.

    The Bronson has a BB that is on the higher side IMO, looks like only a 3mm BB drop. Not bad, at least it is a drop. The CS was lengthened to provide stability and given the speed a Bronson could go at, that is a very good thing.

    I look at Intense and they have a VPP 150mm 650B bike with a CS of 17”, shorter and stability compensated with it being lower in the BB, which gives a berm railing BB drop of 10mm. Ah, that’s more to my liking.

    So to hone in on trail riding, my hope is, low, slack and slightly shorter CS than a Bronson. 17” CS can be done. This will shorten the wheel base slightly, further improving nimbleness for trail riding.

    Now, my speculation might go out the window next week because I am getting a Bronson to test ride for a few days. I could be seduced and made to eat my speculation (yuk, what could be worse...), which will probably go with the stupid grin on my face. Which in turn will go with my wife’s angry face and my empty wallet....

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    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamK View Post
    Now, my speculation might go out the window next week because I am getting a Bronson to test ride for a few days..
    Can you try it with a "short shock".....make it all TRc like?

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    a trail Bronson is my guess as well not because there is really a huge gap in their lineup for it, but because thats what customers will want and its more in line with what most people would think a 650b bike should be. travel 120-130mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamK View Post
    Anyway my desires aside, the TB is their biggest seller ever. The TBc has been out for a while, so economics would dictate that an update would be the next thing on their mind. Keeping the lead seller in the lead and prominent in the market’s mind will be important.
    I'm up for an update on the Tallboy. The Tallboy being out for sometime and still being all that, an update would be real nice. The Tallboy and Jet9RDO seem to over and over again get so much attention. That says alot about doing something and doing it right the first time. Lets see what they come out with, not that far away...

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    my bet is a Nomad 29"or 27.5" to strike back Spec Enduro 29, if it's a product which is going to blow people's minds it has to be something really innovative I suppose....

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    Considering Fort William DH race is a week after, I am willing to bet a 650b v10.

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    I think a Bronson TRc is too similar to the original Bronson for now. They just released the Bronson, they don't want to start cannibalizing their sales already by confusing their customers with multiple models. I think it will either be a refresh of an existing best-seller (like the tallboy), or a "re-imagining" of a best-seller, like a 650B Nomad or something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerms View Post
    I think a Bronson TRc is too similar to the original Bronson for now. They just released the Bronson, they don't want to start cannibalizing their sales already by confusing their customers with multiple models. I think it will either be a refresh of an existing best-seller (like the tallboy), or a "re-imagining" of a best-seller, like a 650B Nomad or something like that.
    So a Bronson TRc is too similar to the Bronson but a 650b Nomad is sufficiently different?

    A TB refresh does make sense, and I'm sure its forthcoming, though I'll bet money that this is not the "reveal" that's coming on the first.

    And a trail oriented 650b is definitely not going to detract sales from the Bronson . . . very different applications of the same platform.
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    @007, what do you think it'll happen with the Nomad then? Do you think it'll eventually disappear?

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    Tallboy TRc FTW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ban View Post
    @007, what do you think it'll happen with the Nomad then? Do you think it'll eventually disappear?
    Depends on what happens with the Bronson and how it sells
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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post

    Edit: Should added my predictions . . . . low and slack 650b trail bike, built around a 130mm fork, with ~4.92" of rear travel and about ~13.5" BB height. In otherwords . . . a 650b TRc.

    Edit Edit: and the frame will be < 5lbs.
    How is this any different than a current TRc 650b conversion? The only real difference will be the ability to fit fatter 650b tires on it.

    All they need to do is make a new TRc rear triangle with replaceable dropouts, like the Carbine has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dispatch View Post
    Considering Fort William DH race is a week after, I am willing to bet a 650b v10.
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    I've been trying to get the Canfield guys to build a 650b rear end for the Jedi...
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    Quote Originally Posted by wncunderground View Post
    Tallboy TRc FTW.
    I assume you mean a Tallboy that is less XC and more trail, right? 120mm travel seems to be the sweet spot for trail 29ers, so a Tallboy with 120mm travel and a bit slacker geometry, while keeping the chainstays at 17.5" or shorter, should be very popular.

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    low and slack is whats hot now rail'n corners is a blast. a more comfortable climbing 650b, will come later. here's what light looks like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jabrabu View Post
    How is this any different than a current TRc 650b conversion? The only real difference will be the ability to fit fatter 650b tires on it.

    All they need to do is make a new TRc rear triangle with replaceable dropouts, like the Carbine has.
    Because a) it would be purpose-built frame from the ground up, and not a "conversion;" b) you can run fatter 650b tires on it; c) anything - and I don't care what it is - that is built for two possible platforms (in this case 26" and 27.5" wheels) will necessarily make compromises in order to achieve that flexibility; d) what makes you think that the TRc is going to stay in the lineup?

    One thing that SC has done a tremendous job of is creating pervasive loyalty, and not just for their brand, but for the specific bikes in the line up. Anytime there is suggestion that a model is no longer "the latest/greatest" or might face the axe, man do people get riled up and rally to it's defense!

    The writing is on the wall folks . . . my grandiose predictions are that there will be a 650b trail bike coming on June 1. SC will monitor sales between the competing bikes in the line up (Bronson-Nomad; TRc-mystery bike) and the platform that undersells is done. Maybe it will be the 650b bikes? Maybe it will be the 26" bikes . . . who knows! Its comparable to what they did with the APP bikes and the single pivots. Single pivot's won based on the numbers, and where are the APP bikes now?

    One thing is for sure though . . . the BlurLT is a done deal. It no longer "fits" the market because it makes too many compromises.
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    Is it supposed to be that new Julianna? I don't know, since that info is already out there, maybe it is something different.

    i don't know, I know nothing. I had two orders of hash browns this morning though, that's all I care about at this moment.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    So a Bronson TRc is too similar to the Bronson but a 650b Nomad is sufficiently different?

    A TB refresh does make sense, and I'm sure its forthcoming, though I'll bet money that this is not the "reveal" that's coming on the first.

    And a trail oriented 650b is definitely not going to detract sales from the Bronson . . . very different applications of the same platform.
    If this is really a "BIG REVEAL", why are they doing it at a relatively obscure event when their main customer base is in the U.S. I can see the angle that they are trying to improve their customer base in Europe, but still kind of a head scratcher...

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    That's just a custom badged Nomad:
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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    That's just a custom badged Nomad:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Craw View Post
    Ah yes, I see
    Still a super sweet bike though, and those black stanchions look awesome! Much better than Fox's blingy bling Kashima.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    Still a super sweet bike though, and those black stanchions look awesome! Much better than Fox's blingy bling Kashima.
    Agree, totally. The black is awesome. Related note, not to stray too far off topic, the Enduro slideshow on Vitalmtb.com is worth checking out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craw View Post
    Agree, totally. The black is awesome. Related note, not to stray too far off topic, the Enduro slideshow on Vitalmtb.com is worth checking out.
    My boss would neg rep you for distracting me.

    Edit: that WAS worth watching
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    EDIT: Damn, I'm an idiot.... you guys already covered this!


    Well Anka Martin seems to be riding something new at the Enduro series this weekend ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by whistlerdan View Post
    Well Anka Martin seems to be riding something new at the Enduro series this weekend ?

    Check photo #12 in this post on Vital : SLIDESHOW: Historic Enduro World Series Kick Off in Punta Ala, Italy - Mountain Biking Pictures - Vital MTB

    Captioned : Anka Martin on a new Santa Cruz ________

    Looks like 650b .... and pretty sure that says Juliana on the side of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    My boss would neg rep you for distracting me.

    Edit: that WAS worth watching
    Haha yup, same here. Although rapidly switching between browser windows, and work at least "sounds" like working.

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    that's a red painted nomad, but I think this could be a sign that we see a Julianna Bronson 650b on June 1st

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    You go it. Throw on some iscg 05 tabs, 120mm rear travel, internal dropper post routing, slacken the head angle a couple of degrees, make it compatible with up to a 140-150mm fork, make it 1x compatible only and shorten the chainstays as much as possible. Those would be my suggestions and would turn it into a trail killer.

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    650 v10
    Fox came out with the fox40 for 650 wheels

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    Given the venue, it does seem like this will be downhill oriented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabrabu View Post
    I assume you mean a Tallboy that is less XC and more trail, right? 120mm travel seems to be the sweet spot for trail 29ers, so a Tallboy with 120mm travel and a bit slacker geometry, while keeping the chainstays at 17.5" or shorter, should be very popular.
    The bike you describe would lead me to sell my TBLT (to achieve the combos of performance, light weight, and fitting 2 bottles on the frame for long rides). I'd probably stick with a 34 stanchion fork though if they fitted it with a 32.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike T View Post
    The bike you describe would lead me to sell my TBLT (to achieve the combos of performance, light weight, and fitting 2 bottles on the frame for long rides). I'd probably stick with a 34 stanchion fork though if they fitted it with a 32.
    The weight isn't going to be significantly different if you spec a 34 fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    The weight isn't going to be significantly different if you spec a 34 fork.
    Yeah, you're right about that. It's just that I recently rode my TBLT and my friend's TB back to back on the same rocky, chunky trail and the TBLT performance seemed dramatically better in the front end on that terrain with the 34 compared to the 32 that I'd be willing to suffer the weight penalty (perhaps I'm deluded and the performance was in the 135mm rear compared to 100mm, but I don't think that was entirely so).
    So I guess my deciding factor is 2 bottle cages, which seems a silly reason for frame choice, but I do hate riding with a backpack!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike T View Post
    Yeah, you're right about that. It's just that I recently rode my TBLT and my friend's TB back to back on the same rocky, chunky trail and the TBLT performance seemed dramatically better in the front end on that terrain with the 34 compared to the 32 that I'd be willing to suffer the weight penalty (perhaps I'm deluded and the performance was in the 135mm rear compared to 100mm, but I don't think that was entirely so).
    So I guess my deciding factor is 2 bottle cages, which seems a silly reason for frame choice, but I do hate riding with a backpack!
    I hear you. I ride with a pack, but I'd still like to have a bottle in the frame. My only complaint about the bike really.

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    I am doing the POC king queen enduro at the tweedlove festival .There is also DH races duel slalom,road races etc....The glentress 7 is a xc race were they are doing the product launch. So my bet is on a xc bike.

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    Maybe they're releasing a disc-equipped, carbon cross bike ? Who knows ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike T View Post
    Yeah, you're right about that. It's just that I recently rode my TBLT and my friend's TB back to back on the same rocky, chunky trail and the TBLT performance seemed dramatically better in the front end on that terrain with the 34 compared to the 32 that I'd be willing to suffer the weight penalty (perhaps I'm deluded and the performance was in the 135mm rear compared to 100mm, but I don't think that was entirely so).
    So I guess my deciding factor is 2 bottle cages, which seems a silly reason for frame choice, but I do hate riding with a backpack!
    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    I hear you. I ride with a pack, but I'd still like to have a bottle in the frame. My only complaint about the bike really.
    The lack of cage mounts is really a drawback for the BlurLT and the TBLT in my opinion, and I don't want one run on the UNDERSIDE of the DT either where its multipurposed as a mudflap as well.

    I too would spec a 34 fork if available for whatever my next build is . . . I just wish someone would do a short-travel burly trail fork. 34/35x140 would be tits for what I ride.

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    650 v10
    Fox came out with the fox40 for 650 wheels
    I'll bet money that its not a DH bike . . .
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