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    I saw the new V8

    A Santa cruz guy was up in Whislter testing the new V8 while i was there. They will no longer be making a VP-free or really a replacement for it. I did not get a photo of the bike but it is a lot closer to the V10 than it is to the VP-Free. Personally i think it is mistake. I do not want a freeride/DH/Trail bike with an interrupted seat tube. Seems to me the V8 is just a diluted V10. No thanks. I will need to look elsewhere for my next do everything bike. He said to expect the bike out spring 2009.

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    I saw it as well...definitely looks cool, had a maxle rear end and everything. Beautiful bike. I would be disappointed if there was no VPF replacement though...

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    well at least one good thing will come about from the new V8, which is if you are a fan of the older style vpfree then you shouid be able to pick one up at a much cheaper price once the new model is out
    http://cgi.ebay.com/Santa-Cruz-VP-Fr...QQcmdZViewItem
    notice how this guy is claiming this free in an 07 with a 11/8 HS. 6 months from now this frame will be going for $800. Yippie

    Actually, I LOVED my 05 free and it felt great in the nasty stuff, but I am getting excited about the new model. And since it will be new and cool and look like the V10, the sticker price will most likley be around the 2g mark regrettably. Gotta love the over-priced items these days

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    Spy pix's please!
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    Got one!

    Enjoy

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    just pretend it has a Lyric on the front

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    Glad I've still got my 06 VP Free. Makes me wanna build it back up even more now. The new prices are gonna be outrageous, not sure how they're gonna sell them at those prices.....but then if Trek and Speckelized can sell bikes at the prices they charge......
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    I'm trying (and failing) to figure out why anyone would buy this bike instead of a Bullit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainbckt
    I'm trying (and failing) to figure out why anyone would buy this bike instead of a Bullit.
    more travel, VPP. Would be a lot faster at downhilling (racing).

    I hope they keep a lot of saddle adjustment, preferably a full length seat tube. Front dérailleur compatible. But better (dh style) geometry and more durable bearings.

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    Makes sense to me - a lighter, nimbler, more useable V10 with all the benefits of VPP. Kind of a la Socom / M6. I'd buy one over a Bullit, if I had £4000...

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    Boy, I just don't like that much at all? I still like my vp free better. Especially with the 8.5 X 2.5 rear shock. Who knows, maybe it will grow on people with time? Will be curious to see what it rides like though.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by lonbalz
    Boy, I just don't like that much at all? I still like my vp free better. Especially with the 8.5 X 2.5 rear shock. Who knows, maybe it will grow on people with time? Will be curious to see what it rides like though.....

    http://s115.photobucket.com/albums/n...Picture036.jpg
    Its interesting to see I'm not the only one running an 8.5 x 2.5 shock on my Free... and really like it that way. I dont know how interested I would be in a scaled down v10 (with short seat tube and all... ) What (I suspect) may happen is SC will release 2 bikes... a V8 for DH and an updated VPFree.... who knows, but I bet they will keep us guessing until the last minute...
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    After lookin' at the V10 on the SC site, http://www.santacruzbicycles.com/v10/ , I'm thinkin' this is a pic of the same bike. The pic in this thread looks like the V10 on the SC site, just a different shade of blue, easily done w/Photo-chop.
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    Umm, MWOH, I'm pretty sure Stylie is just pulling your chain with a pic of a blue V10 and some badly photoshopped V8 graphics... No pics of the real thing just yet.

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    Really do need some pics of this now.
    Whilst we're on the VP-F thing, how many peeps running theirs with the shorter shock in the back?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franz
    Umm, MWOH, I'm pretty sure Stylie is just pulling your chain with a pic of a blue V10 and some badly photoshopped V8 graphics... No pics of the real thing just yet.
    aw, you got me

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    I'm going to soon. After racing my free most of the season you can really feel under-steer compared to other bikes with lower bb height and slacker ha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stylie
    aw, you got me


    And still the suckas fell for it...........

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    I'm running my CCDB at 8.75 x 2.5, i.e. the DHXa size. This yields 7.7" rear travel but keeps the stock geo. It's perfect for me.
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    I run short shock with 8" boxxer.... good for downhilling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miklorsmith
    I'm running my CCDB at 8.75 x 2.5, i.e. the DHXa size. This yields 7.7" rear travel but keeps the stock geo. It's perfect for me.
    Gotta agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Franz
    Umm, MWOH, I'm pretty sure Stylie is just pulling your chain with a pic of a blue V10 and some badly photoshopped V8 graphics... No pics of the real thing just yet.

    Yeah, yeah....he reeled me in, (using needle nose pliers to take fish hook out of lip).....hey, I'm in th' middle of moving two house holds...sue me......

    Still glad I've got my old VP Free. Wish I had thought of doing what Mudd and miklorsmith did. The "next" CCDB I order will most likely be that size/stroke. Can't wait to see if they'll come out w/a fork....jus' might ditch my Zokies if they do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete-G
    Really do need some pics of this now.
    Whilst we're on the VP-F thing, how many peeps running theirs with the shorter shock in the back?
    I'm in that boat. Feels great with the 2.5 and a 7" fork, and flat out flies with the lower setup. The stock VP-Free felt horribly tall.

    I was hoping for a shorter chainstayed, lower bottom bracket, full seatpost, less chaingrowth and zerk fitted revision to the VP-Free. We'll see what comes out in a week or so. If the rumors are true, it looks like they are making the new bike more similar to our 2.5 stroke mod, which is fine and you just need to plunk down for a telescoping post. It's darn hard to design a full-post bike with good geometry, all that travel just doesn't fit in there without compromises. All bikes have compromises, you just gotta chose where they are - that's the hard part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miklorsmith
    I'm running my CCDB at 8.75 x 2.5, i.e. the DHXa size. This yields 7.7" rear travel but keeps the stock geo. It's perfect for me.
    I still don't get why you guys do this. Shorter travel without changing geometry doesn't seem to accomplish much. I guess if it feels good to you, that's all that matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtdogg
    A Santa cruz guy was up in Whislter testing the new V8 while i was there. They will no longer be making a VP-free or really a replacement for it. I did not get a photo of the bike but it is a lot closer to the V10 than it is to the VP-Free. Personally i think it is mistake. I do not want a freeride/DH/Trail bike with an interrupted seat tube. Seems to me the V8 is just a diluted V10. No thanks. I will need to look elsewhere for my next do everything bike. He said to expect the bike out spring 2009.
    Since when was it meant for trail riding?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mehukatti
    Since when was it meant for trail riding?
    Well, I use mine (VP-free) for trail riding all the time. Sure, it's 43 pounds, but it still climbs just fine.

    If the bike seen was a replacement for the VP-free, I would be disappointed. Being able to ride with the seat up and down is a key part of what I use the 'free for.

    That said, it sounds more like it's a shorter-travel V10

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonoB
    If the bike seen was a replacement for the VP-free, I would be disappointed. Being able to ride with the seat up and down is a key part of what I use the 'free for.

    That said, it sounds more like it's a shorter-travel V10
    Yep, just like Specialized version of the demo. Do you want a Demo 9, 8 or 7?

    I hope that the VPFree will still be the unique bike it started out as and not end up looking like another version of something else they have, but with reduced charestics.

    But let's not start assuming the V8 is just like the V10. It may look the same but I assume (hope) that there will still be a strong difference between the 2. But if it comes down to the fact that the V8 is just a shorter version of the V10, then there is always the Nomad. And if it doesn't sport enough travel for you then wait until next year when Santa Cruz decides to pull it off the market to redesign it with more travel... seems to be their way of doing things. And keep in mind, as of yet, most have not been disapointed with the improvements Santa Cruz has made with their frames..... other then the hike in prices

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    does no-one carry a camera phone?

    get with it people ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by stylie
    And if it doesn't sport enough travel for you then wait until next year when Santa Cruz decides to pull it off the market to redesign it with more travel... seems to be their way of doing things.

    They've just redesigned the Nomad - with less travel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by honourablegeorge
    They've just redesigned the Nomad - with less travel.

    Oh I know, but I was trying to make a point b/c some of the people here seem to not favor the (rumored) new V8 frame style with the interrupted seattube. And if they aren't crazy about the new frame and prefer the older style vpfree, then they can still go with the Nomad since it resembles the free. Are you sure about the travel being reduced on the Nomad? The websight claims that it is still at 165mm travel?

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    160mm on the new one. apparently.

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    Seat Post

    I think SC took into consideration that there are availble seat post like Gravity Dropper and the Joplin that us comsumers can use or as an option. Having that break in the continuity of the seat tube will surely shave enough weight when you are into serious DH racing.

    (may be they bougth some stocks on joplin or the GD and its a marketing strat to boost up sales)
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    Quote Originally Posted by munkyboy
    does no-one carry a camera phone?

    get with it people ;-)
    what he said

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    don't think the website shows the new one yet...

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    hey... does anyone think the v8 will be shown at interbike?

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    I'm hoping so

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    Its not at the dirt demo that any of the sites with SC photos I have seen so far.

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    http://www.singletrackworld.com/article.php?sid=1118

    Just thought I'd mention that the old vp-free proto was also named the v8. So the new one may still carry the vp-free badge despite being named the v8. This is getting rediculous. I've been looking for it since June.

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    Naw! I don't buy the picture of the vpfree in the single-track article. Why all the hush, hush just to end up with the same frame in appearance? Of course the article did mention something about some semi-monocoque parts and the ability to still run a front derailleur. so who knows.... I think it might just be something universal in use and cool as hell like the V10.

    But still.... spy pics would be great, ugly paint color or not

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    off the singletrack article on the posted comments some guy refered to 'chipps', who "pops into Santa Cruz once in a while" had this to say about the new V8. Gives us a good idea about what we can expect w/out pics.
    Price is on the money too

    67.5 degrees headangle...
    same wheelbase as the Bullit...
    Rather light, 35 lbs with a Boxxer...
    8.5 inch in the rear...
    Air or coil damper for your choise...
    Front mech compatibel...
    painted or anodaized finish..
    About 1650 to 1850 dollars in estimated prize...

    and... it's described as being an "whole Mtn bike", not just all mtn. interesting

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    ARE YOU GUYS FOR REAL?

    Read the date on the article! It's about the original one.
    But I agree, someone needs to have a camera phone!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ro.nin
    ARE YOU GUYS FOR REAL?

    Read the date on the article! It's about the original one.
    But I agree, someone needs to have a camera phone!


    Couldnt agree more.. If they've never actually seen a vp free frame before..should they really be commenting on it...especially if they think the original one is the new prototype.? lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ro.nin
    ARE YOU GUYS FOR REAL?

    Read the date on the article! It's about the original one.
    But I agree, someone needs to have a camera phone!

    hahahahahaha, God Bless, I feel like such a weiner

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    wow you guys really missed the point of that post. I wasn't saying that was the new free. I was just showing the article from 2003 calling the old vp-free the v-8. I'm just wondering if even though the concept carries the v-8 badge, the production model may still carry the name vp-free.

    and if you think I don't know what the old one looks like, you are mistaken...


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