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    Hightower vs 5010 v2

    Looking at both of these frames and having a hard time deciding between the two. Does anyone have time on both bikes that can offer a comparison?

    I did a quick demo on the 5010 a couple months ago and had a positive impression. No time on the Hightower and not any demo opportunities either.

    As of now I have no plans to run 27.5+ or 29 on the Hightower, would it kill the bike running regular 27.5 wheels with 2.3-2.4 Maxxis tires?

    I've been on a 650b Nomad for about 1.5 years and would like some separation. Looking for a bike that is an efficient peddler and fun to pop off trailside features.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calhoun View Post
    As of now I have no plans to run 27.5+ or 29 on the Hightower, would it kill the bike running regular 27.5 wheels with 2.3-2.4 Maxxis tires?

    I've been on a 650b Nomad for about 1.5 years and would like some separation. Looking for a bike that is an efficient peddler and fun to pop off trailside features.
    So, you're planning on running standard 27.5 wheels w/ something like a 2.3 or 2.4 tire, even on the HT? Are you looking for a short travel Nomad? What's the thinking...not quite following. And, you do realized that the BB is stupid low w/ a 29/27.5+ already, yeah? What would this bike be used for...4X on a rug-covered BMX track?
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    lol, I guess I was thinking aloud and looking for some conversation.

    Is the height difference that significant between 27.5 high volume tires and plus sized? Moving over to 29er parts could be an option but I have all of the 27.5 parts now.

    Wrong parts aside I was mostly looking for some comparisons between the two bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calhoun View Post
    lol, I guess I was thinking aloud and looking for some conversation.

    Is the height difference that significant between 27.5 high volume tires and plus sized? Moving over to 29er parts could be an option but I have all of the 27.5 parts now.

    Wrong parts aside I was mostly looking for some comparisons between the two bikes.
    It sounds like you're Solo bound...

    I think FC said the BB was like 12.9" for the +, so drop that down a bit more to 12.75...maybe? That's not a functional BB height for where I ride.
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    Would not be fun around here either.
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    Seems like the TB3 would be a more direct comparison (of course, you'd have to get 29" wheels for that too). If you're opening the 29er can of worms, you should also consider the Ripley LS, Mach429 Trail, and Yeti 4.5c.... and of course the Following, but I think you've already been there, correct?

    The 27.5 short/mid-travel bikes that are the most comparable to the 5010 (which I loved btw) are the Mojo3, the Transition Scout, and of course, the Endorphin.
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    I'd be more curious to hear actual comparisons from those who have ridden both, but more so from those with time on the 29 Hightower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Seems like the TB3 would be a more direct comparison (of course, you'd have to get 29" wheels for that too). If you're opening the 29er can of worms, you should also consider the Ripley LS, Mach429 Trail, and Yeti 4.5c.... and of course the Following, but I think you've already been there, correct?

    The 27.5 short/mid-travel bikes that are the most comparable to the 5010 (which I loved btw) are the Mojo3, the Transition Scout, and of course, the Endorphin.
    All sound like great options Kent. Was trying to avoid that can of 29er worms and it's gotta be another SC since it will be a warranty replacement frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calhoun View Post
    All sound like great options Kent. Was trying to avoid that can of 29er worms and it's gotta be another SC since it will be a warranty replacement frame.
    Standard 27.5 wheels in the TB3? Not sure if it'll have the chip, but should since I think they're making it Plus compatible.

    But man, the Solo looks like a total whipper to me! Build it medium stout so you can toss it around w/o damage and still be able to climb like a little billy goat!

    OR...

    You just opt for the most popular frame (say a HT), then sell it and get yourself a Spot. I've gotten some feedback from local (Golden, CO) rippers who say it's CRAZY fast, even at 140mm!
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    The 5010 rips for sure, i guess it's the most underrated bike in their lineup.

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    Went with the 5010, thanks for the replies
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    Quote Originally Posted by yaced View Post
    it's the most underrated bike in their lineup.
    This. A hundred times over.

    I also think it's one of the most underrated bikes out there. Period. I see the Mojo3 getting so much attention (and no doubt it's great) and very little going to the 5010, its equivalent. That is among the bike media -- the riders love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calhoun View Post
    Went with the 5010, thanks for the replies
    Good (easy) choice if you need to stay with SC and wanted to avoid 29er. The 5010 is a great bike, you're going to love it and it's a great complement to the Nomad.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KRob View Post
    Good (easy) choice if you need to stay with SC and wanted to avoid 29er. The 5010 is a great bike, you're going to love it and it's a great complement to the Nomad.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Calhoun View Post
    It's going to replace the Nomad...
    Oh, never mind then. Actually my Chilcotin gets almost no ride time since I got my Endorphin. These new school geo short/mid travel bikes really handle most everything I ride with amazing competence (and fun).


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    Quote Originally Posted by jon123 View Post
    This. A hundred times over.

    I also think it's one of the most underrated bikes out there. Period. I see the Mojo3 getting so much attention (and no doubt it's great) and very little going to the 5010, its equivalent. That is among the bike media -- the riders love it.

    Ibis seem to be the bike of choice for the over 40 and viagra crowd. I know one person In their 30s who rides anIbis (hd3), and he broke two frames in a matter of months. While it sounds like they took care of him, that just seems to solidify the my theory about Ibis building bikes for riders who've seen better days (2008 called and would like their ego back Ibis).

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    if you had a nomad and wanted a little less travel, why no Bronson? not enough of a difference?
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    Looks like this suggestion is too late, but if you go with the Intense 275a (one of the closeout ones you can find around) or a Knolly Endorphin you'll share the same wheel/axle/seatpost size with your nomad allowing you to swap parts over if necessary. I think he Scout might match up as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt420c View Post
    if you had a nomad and wanted a little less travel, why no Bronson? not enough of a difference?
    I owned a Bronson and now am having an N3. IMHO, a Bronson is too close to the Nomad especially the 2016 version. I never try a 5010 but for what I've heard and read so far, I do believe that trail, shorter travel and poppy characteristic bike like 5010 would complement the OP's Nomad better than the Bronson.
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    Ive been riding a 5010 v2 with carbon wheels and zoke fork at 140mm for more than a year. It has done everything from a 24hr race to enduro stages, to a day at the drop lines (not too gnarly or big though) and it has been commendable. I also had a nomad v3. The 5010v2 does almost everything the Nomad can do (albeit with less of a margin for error and a bit more jarring), plus climbing. So its a really good allrounder, with a bias toward trail/XC.

    This week I built up a Hightower in 29 flavor with a Pike 150mm, lightish DT swiss/Easton aluminum wheels with 2.35 Hans Dampfs. (29.3 lbs) The stock Monarch RT3 shock sucked down in the garage before the first ride due to a factory pinched oring. So while waiting for service, I slapped on a Avalanche-tuned Fox DHX coil from my 2007 RFX. I gotta say, after one ride, the HT is a completely different animal from the 5010.

    While the 5010 seemed to be faster, more precise instrument that could go big if you had some finesse, the HT was just like a 29er bronson or nomad (with the plush coil) that could straight-line anything. In fact, it will probably straightline anything better than the nomad or bronson. It was just very stable, confidence inspiring and the fit was perfect for me. (5'8", shortish legs = Medium, 50mm stem, 740mm bars.)

    On the first ride, coming from a long layoff, I intended to take it easy and not do anything aggressive. But after the first few meters, the bike just begged to be ridden hard. Charged the rocks, did the drops, bottomed out a few times (and adjusted pressure :P ). The HT was just so much fun. It is NOT sluggish, nor difficult to corner, mind you. Traction is available in spades. It just goes where I want it to. It feels...just right. I think its safe to say that I really like it over the 5010.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobym2 View Post

    While the 5010 seemed to be faster, more precise instrument that could go big if you had some finesse, the HT was just like a 29er bronson or nomad (with the plush coil) that could straight-line anything. In fact, it will probably straightline anything better than the nomad or bronson. It was just very stable, confidence inspiring and the fit was perfect for me. (5'8", shortish legs = Medium, 50mm stem, 740mm bars.)

    On the first ride, coming from a long layoff, I intended to take it easy and not do anything aggressive. But after the first few meters, the bike just begged to be ridden hard. Charged the rocks, did the drops, bottomed out a few times (and adjusted pressure ). The HT was just so much fun. It is NOT sluggish, nor difficult to corner, mind you. Traction is available in spades. It just goes where I want it to. It feels...just right. I think its safe to say that I really like it over the 5010.

    Hoping this helps.
    Nice review. And your input about speed of 5010 vs HT totally break my prediction. I thought the HT goes faster than 5010 given HT's being a 29er.

    Nowadays I've heard more and more riders say that the new 5010 can do more Nomad-ish things than many would expect, plus more maneuverability. It even gets absolutely clear as Danny Macaskill does many insane drops in Wee Day Out, hahaha.

    According to your experience with both bikes, does HT make you feel more difficult to do some technical tricks than 5010 like bunny hop, side hop, manual, etc?

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