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    Highball C, is my frame toasted?

    Long story short, yesterday at the trail found a 3" rock out of a corner and looks like the front wheel got it straight to the downtube, heard it smashed but didn't think it was that bad.

    It's easy to see the paint chipped but I can't tell if the fibers are damaged, the rock strike was not that bad, wasn't even going that fast either but once I got home spotted the crack.

    Been training for a race due this Sunday, does it look safe enough to race?

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    carbon fiber ?

    Quote Originally Posted by kevocastro View Post
    Long story short, yesterday at the trail found a 3" rock out of a corner and looks like the front wheel got it straight to the downtube, heard it smashed but didn't think it was that bad.

    It's easy to see the paint chipped but I can't tell if the fibers are damaged, the rock strike was not that bad, wasn't even going that fast either but once I got home spotted the crack.

    Been training for a race due this Sunday, does it look safe enough to race?


    If that is carbon fiber, its done.

    Once the integrity is compramised its only a matter of time.

    Exactly why i dont buy cf frames.

    do you have frame insurence ?
    Bummer

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    email Willie at SC with pics of the damage. if its bused, theyll have a new frame back to you pretty quick. seems pretty obvious warranty situation .

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    You guys looked at those gorilla frames ?

    one ofthe best DH frames in a while. Hand made jobbers,

    Makes me want to sell some gold to buy one lol.

    Check this out. 1 oz of gold for a DH frame.

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    With cf frames, you should realy invest in some kind of frame protection around strikeable ares. There are some good heavy duty skins for bikes now, especially about bb and tubing.

    I have heard good stuff about them mostly.

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    I don't sense any sarcasm in your post so I really hope you're joking about asking for warranty on that. Crash replacement yes, warranty no.
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    I dont respond to those kinds of comments but some people actualy buy and carry insurance for these types of issues.

    Bike prices have become extreme and theft due to the economy is rising so the market for bike insurance is attractive to some people.

    The UK has such a service, they will actualy come help you. I think it was a recent bike radar recently if memory serves.


    I know that if i used a expensive carbon bike i would probably get some kind of protection besides relying on the manufacturers good will.

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    To answer your question, it looks to me like there is a real crack running lengthwise on the tube. You may be able to race it and not have it fail but I wouldn't risk it personally.

    SC is very good at helping out but if their crash replacement cost is too high you can easily get that repaired by Calfee or another reputable carbon repair place.
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    Well the answer from Santa Cruz is pretty clear, $800 for a replacement...

    I don't even know what to do, so disappointed
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    I think you should definitely contact Calfee and see what they will charge to fix it. They do excellent work. A friend of mine had them fix her carbon road bike frame. They did an amazing job. My guess is you can get your frame fixed and buy some frame protection for half the cost of the crash replacement price.

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    Yes, check out calfee's site. They should be able to fix that and their prices seem very reasonable.

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    There is also a very good carbon frame repair place in San Marcos, CA

    Carbon Fiber Bike Frame Repair

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    Granted, it would be a bad idea to continue running the frame in that condition, however, has anyone here actually had a damaged downtube fail? I'm just having a hard time picturing that tube separating for less than maybe a chunk 2/3 through the tube missing. Maybe I'm giving CF too much credit.

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    Other carbon repair options

    No first hand experience, but if you wanted to get some quotes, I've heard good things about these folks as well:

    Predator Cycles

    Ruckus

    Report back and let us know how it goes.

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    Trystan at the Marin Bikes Factory Store in San Francisco used to be one of their carbon engineers. He does amazing work. Shoot him a call at the store.

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    Thanks all of you guys for the advice, I am gonna take my time to make the best choice

    It really sucks this frame lasted just a lil bit of time (4 months), I read somewhere this forum that a Tallboy crash replacement was about $400...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevocastro View Post
    Thanks all of you guys for the advice, I am gonna take my time to make the best choice

    It really sucks this frame lasted just a lil bit of time (4 months), I read somewhere this forum that a Tallboy crash replacement was about $400...
    On the FS bikes they sell you the front triangle or the swing arm. I know the rear swing arm on the tallboy was in that range. The airline broke my Dad's rear swing arm when I took him to created butte last summer.

    With as many hits as my old lt-c took, I am surprised yours broke easily. It had been part of some spectacular crashes.

    I have a Highball that I am building up, so I hope this was a freak event.

    Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by driftertom View Post
    With as many hits as my old lt-c took, I am surprised yours broke easily. It had been part of some spectacular crashes.
    As their first carbon bike, the LT-C was admitedly overbuilt. The Highball, at ~2.5 lbs. is probably less so.

    Fingers crossed that the helicopter tape I put on my Highball's downtube prevents anything like this!
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    Carbon fiber frame

    Quote Originally Posted by miles e View Post
    As their first carbon bike, the LT-C was admitedly overbuilt. The Highball, at ~2.5 lbs. is probably less so.

    Fingers crossed that the helicopter tape I put on my Highball's downtube prevents anything like this!
    DID I READ THAT CORRECTLY ?

    A carbon fiber frame only lasted 4 months ?

    my god.

    no way man, i would freak out. wow that's horrible.

    aluminum FTW !!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjs1231 View Post
    DID I READ THAT CORRECTLY ?

    A carbon fiber frame only lasted 4 months ?

    my god.

    no way man, i would freak out. wow that's horrible.

    aluminum FTW !!!!!!!
    This is an EPIC posting fail on multiple levels. Well done, sir. Well done.

    "aluminum FTW" . . .
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    I have seen an aluminum bike toasted on the first ride when a rock kicked up and dented the downtube. its not any more immune to damage than plastic

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    Have that tube prepped and wrapped (at the very least), and you are good to go. Don't toss the frame -THAT would be the waste.
    As for some of the initial replies, seems CF hysteria has not died.
    Oh well, for what it is worth, the world is not ending imminently

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjs1231 View Post
    DID I READ THAT CORRECTLY ?

    A carbon fiber frame only lasted 4 months ?

    my god.

    no way man, i would freak out. wow that's horrible.

    aluminum FTW !!!!!!!
    You're an idiot. Stop sniffing glue.

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    I really like my Highball it's such a shame, it climbs efficient, it corners amazingly and going down is not that bad for a super stiff race hardtail

    Previously a couple of friends had issues with some Niner frames, Niner's customer support is freaking amazing they replaced their frames in no time, funny thing is that Air 9 carbon was my first choice but went with the Highball because of the weight... weight is nothing when you're getting reliability on the side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevocastro View Post
    I really like my Highball it's such a shame, it climbs efficient, it corners amazingly and going down is not that bad for a super stiff race hardtail.
    Then either get it repaired or take up SC on their very fair crash replacement cost. It's clearly a freak accidental damage issue, not a warranty situation and I have no doubt Niner would have treated it the same way.

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