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    What do you think of the air shock after using the coil? Thanks and of course what a beautiful bike!

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    I've just upgraded the old Heckler in the last 6 months.
    2004 Frame.
    New bits:
    Rockshox Sektor solo air 150mm (replaces 2005 Pike coil)
    Fox RP23 rear shock (replaces Fox DHX5 coil)
    RaceFace Deus double crankset (replaces RaceFace Diabolus cranks)
    XTR rear deraileur (replaces worn out XT)
    XTR front 15mm hub (replaces 20mm XTR hub)
    Rockshox reverb seatpost (replaces Thomson - still used for XC races)
    Specialized Phenom expert saddle (repalces fizik Gobi - always gave me a sore bum!)
    Easton Haven stem 70mm (replaces Thomson 90mm & RaceFace Diabolus 50mm)
    Easton Haven aluminium bar (replaces Easton Scandium DH)
    ESI foam grips (replaces ODI lock-ons)
    Converted wheels to tubless.
    Crank Brothers Eggbeater 3 pedals (replace old Crank Bros Candys)

    Total weight 28lbs (used to weigh about 34lbs)
    Was considering getting a whole new bike but couldn't afford a carbon frame and this one stills ride so nicely.

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    The air shock is awesome! Feels way more plush and seems to feel like there is more travel even though it's the same stroke length.
    The coil shock was a first generation dhx5.0 (2004?) and the RP23 is 2011 so there's probably quite a bit of difference in technology.
    There was also about 500gm difference in weight which was nice!

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    It sounds like it was time for a rebuild on that coil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ast View Post
    The air shock is awesome! Feels way more plush and seems to feel like there is more travel even though it's the same stroke length.
    The coil shock was a first generation dhx5.0 (2004?) and the RP23 is 2011 so there's probably quite a bit of difference in technology.
    There was also about 500gm difference in weight which was nice!
    Sweet! I hope my Heckler with air shock will be "awesome" too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainbiker24 View Post
    It sounds like it was time for a rebuild on that coil.
    mountainbiker24, can you elaborate on your comment further? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sneakyt View Post
    mountainbiker24, can you elaborate on your comment further? Thanks.
    A coil shock should always feel a bit more plush than an air shock, all other things being equal. If he gained plushness by going with an air shock, the coil shock was either improperly tuned or needed some new oil and seals. Just a guess. I could be wrong. I love the Monarch air shock on my Heckler, but it isn't as plush as the Fox coil DHX5.0 was.

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    A couple shots of mine before I sadly sell her tomorrow.... I found a killer deal on a Carbon Nomad that was too good to pass up. I'll miss the old girl (well, not that old since it's a 2011).




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    Heckler 2008 Raw...
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    ^ Pretty nice man. Did you strip it yourself?

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    Yes, with sandblast.

    Excuse my english, i´m from Spain...
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidpinilla View Post
    Heckler 2008 Raw...
    Love the polished.

    Very nice build man; Z1's, M875 brakes, Haven carbon bars... Only the best, couldn't have done better myself.

    I used to swear by the single pivot design, thought it was the best. Over the years I've owned a 2003 Heckler, 2004 Bullit, and a 2006 Foes FXR 2:1. All single pivot, all great bikes, I wouldn't swap those great times, all those years on single pivot for anything, loved every minute.

    However, I recently built-up an old VP-Free, using many of the same parts as on your Heckler. I know the VP-Free is a different beast to the Heckler, but I have to tell you, the VPP suspension design sh!ts all over single pivot, so much smoother and plusher. VPP really bites down when climbing too, you can feel it digging in, not that the Heckler or FXR were bad bikes for climbing, they weren't (Bullit was a pig). If you've never tried a VPP bike, I suggest you give it a go.

    Good luck!
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    ^ This is a Heckler thread. The VVP discussion section is over there ---->

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    Thanks mods for taking care of that!

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    Just started to build another! Its an addiction I tells you!

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    Just finished my build and took it for a shake down ride yesterday and what can I say, after a short 5 miles, I'm in love!


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    That's nice man!

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    New Build AM Heckler to go along side my 2005 Heckler, which I love to ride, outted a Ventana El Ciclon.
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    My 2008 Heckler...
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    Just built up a Heckler frame from the SC parking lot sale.

    Specs if interested, more or less in order as you go down the bike:

    ODI Rogue grips
    Magura Louise brakes, Magura drilled 180mm rotors front/rear
    SRAM X9 grip shifters
    Deity 710mm x 50mm riser handlebar
    Truvativ 40mm x 0 degree rise stem
    Cane Creek 40 series headset
    Fox Float 150mm with 15QR
    WTB Frequency i23 rims with Continental Trail King 2.2 Black Chili
    Hope Pro II hubs, rear has 10mm Transition TA
    Titec Nemesis Expert saddle
    Titec Duke seatpost
    Salsa liplock
    Fox Float CTD
    SRAM X9 FD (top pull/low clamp)
    Shimano LX crankset
    Blackspire Stinger chainguide
    Deity Compound platform pedals
    SRAM X7 RD

    I had pretty much everything from my previous bike (Kona Dawg) except for the front derailleur (had to go from high clamp to low clamp) and the Float fork.

    Comes out to 29 to 29.5 lbs on my unofficial scale.
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    New Heckler Build

    Here is my new Heckler I built over the last few months.

    2012 sc heckler 6.1 raw
    Fox dhx 5.0 coil 350# spring
    Chris king sotto vocce headset
    Thomson elite x4 stem 50mm
    Easton Haven carbon bar
    Odi ruffian grips black w/ red caps
    Marzocchi 55 cr switch ta -170/130mm 35mm stanchion
    Easton haven seatpost
    Sdg belair cro-mo saddle
    Shimano saint 22/36/bg crankset
    Shimano saint bottom bracket
    Blackspire super pro chainrings (red)
    Blackspire stinger chain guide
    Shimano slx 11-36 cassette (10spd)
    Shimano xt brakes
    Shimano xt ice-tech rotors 180mm
    Shimano xt shadow rear der
    Shimano xtr 2x10 front der
    Shimano xt shifters fr/rear
    Stans ztr flow rims
    Dt swiss comp 2.0mm-1.8mm tapered spokes
    Red anodized alum nipples
    Hope pro 2 evo hubs 20mm x110 ta frnt
    12x135 ta rear (cro-moly axle)
    Schwable nobby nic tires 2.4 fr 2.25 rear
    Crank brothers mallet 3 pedals
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    Why did you run your rear derailleur cable along the top tube?

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    LBS did it that way...to be honest, I never really noticed until you asked.

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    The santa cruz website seems really messed up at the moment so I wonder if someone here can tell me about the 2013 frame. I think I heard it has tabs for a chain guide now. I was wondering if the rearend is 142 or 135? Also I was wondering what the geometry would be like on a large with a 160mm fork?

    My last Heckler was a 97 but I am just getting back into biking and I always liked single pivots. I built up a blur 4x but it really isn't doing it for me.

    Thanks

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    Taper headtube. 67.5 deg head angle. Iscg 05 tabs. I believe the rear stayed the same

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    2010 Heckler

    Just picked this up a few days ago off Craigslist. Been expanding my riding into more all mountain and I am really excited to get out and ride this bike. I think it will be good for the Seattle/Pacific Northwest trails I ride. After doing some reading I decided to go with a large- I'm 5'10". I will probably swap out the current 90mm stem for a 50mm.

    2010 Heckler
    Fox Talas 100-120-140
    Fox RP23
    XT cranks
    X9 shifters and rear, 2x9 with bash guard
    XT front
    IS dropper post with WTB seat
    Easton EA70 bars with ODI Ruffians
    Kenda Nevegal 2.35 front and rear
    Thomson 90mm stem- soon to be swapped out
    Forte convert pedals
    Hayes nine brakes

    Comments/thoughts!? Thanks!!
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    First bike which I bought used, don't know if I got a good deal or not but I love it! '05 Heckler


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    anyone 5'8 with 31" inseam riding a large?
    "Never mistake motion for action."

    "If I can bicycle, I bicycle."

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    I'm my opinion, that would be to big for you.

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    Yeah, you want a medium. I'm 6ft and my large '04 Heckler was perfect with a 70mm stem.
    "You go up the hill, you go down the hill."

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    New Owner

    Just picked this up on Thursday evening from LBS.
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    I got the RAM kit that is offered on their website

    Frame: 2013 XL Heckler
    Rear Shock: Fox Float Evo CTD 150mm
    Fork: Rock Shox Revelation RL 150mm
    REAR DER: Shimano M675 SGS (SLX) 10spd
    FRONT DER: Shimano M780 (XT) 10 spdd
    SHIFTERS: Shimano M670 (SLX) 10spd
    CRANKSET: Shimano M552 24/32/42 10spd
    BOTTOM BRACKET:
    CASSETTE: Shimano HG 81, 11-36 (SLX) 10spd
    CHAIN: Shimano HG 74 10spd
    BRAKES: Avid Elixir 5's w/ 180mm front 160mm rear rotors
    BARS: Raceface RIde low riser 710mm
    STEM: TruVativ AKA, 60mm, 70mm or 80mm
    GRIPS: Lizard Skin "494"
    HEADSET: Cane Creek 10
    SEAT POST: Raceface Ride 30.9x375mm
    SADDLE: WTB Volt Race
    WHEELS: Mavic XM 321 rims laced to Shimano M758 front hub and M756 rear hub w/ DT 14 gauge spokes, brass nipples
    TIRES: Maxxis High Roller 2.35 wire
    TUBES: Maxxis .7mm tubes

    Took it for a test spin around the block and I had a smile on my face. Can't wait to hit the trails.

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    Rebuilt the Heckler again...

    Fox Float 150
    Stans Arch/Hope ProII
    XTR shifters/derailleurs
    Formula RXO brakes
    Kindshock dropper post
    Works Components 1 degree slack angleset.

    ~28lbs. Feels like a rocket.

    Excuse my finger over the lens...
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    Quote Originally Posted by carbontubulars View Post
    Rebuilt the Heckler again...

    Fox Float 150
    Stans Arch/Hope ProII
    XTR shifters/derailleurs
    Formula RXO brakes
    Kindshock dropper post
    Works Components 1 degree slack angleset.

    ~28lbs. Feels like a rocket.

    Excuse my finger over the lens...
    Looks sharp, really like that blue.
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    Can somebody post the geometry of Heckler 6.1 please?
    I can't find it anywhere.
    Thanks!

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    I don't think it is appreciably different than Santa Cruz Bicycles HECKLER

    You can go to Santa Cruz Bicycles | Heckler > Geometry and change the year in the URL to see 2012, 2011, 2010, etc as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by jazzanova View Post
    Can somebody post the geometry of Heckler 6.1 please?
    I can't find it anywhere.
    Thanks!

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    My new ride

    This is my new ride, just built it up. I bought it to try out 27.5" but will ride as a 26" for the time being. I have not hit the trails with it yet but I am sure it will get some ride time and give the Tallboy a break every once in a while.
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    Heckler photo thread 2007-20130309_121454.jpg

    2012 Heckler.
    Full X0 with XX cranks.
    Thompson post and stem.
    Easton carbon flat bars.
    Fox TALAS 140mm FIT RLC.
    Mavic wheels with XT hubs.
    Eggbeater 3's.
    I will be picking up a King or CC headset and a new seat soon.
    30 pounds as it sits. First bike in 15 years. I really like it.
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    Re: Heckler photo thread 2007

    Here's my '12 build up. I' ve been swapping parts from my old Blur to this for the past month and it's finally done.
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    Nice! But, what's up with the brakes? You know what I mean!

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    Heckler photo thread 2007-photo.jpgGot my set of Burgtec offset shock bushings the other day. Had to buy the little tool to press the old stock bushings out. New ones feel smooth. Even when the shock is bottomed without air, there is tons of clearance. (unlike with my 650b wheels, which get rub.) So this is what a 2009 Heckler looks like with and angleset, offset bushings, and a 150mm fork. Snow has gotten in the way of our riding so far, but it feels great riding around the block. The geometry change is not that subtle.

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    Greetings from Whitehall Reservoir in Massachusetts... Here is my 2012 Heckler taking a break, what a great bike!

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    yetilicious, I'm considering switching over to a Heckler from a Blur as well. I think I'm one of the few that hasn't been too impressed with the Blur. What led you to the change? Any thoughts comparing the two?

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    The 2003 blur was to big for me. It was a 22" model. My heckler is a mediumish large and it fits waaay better. I bought the blur used a couple of years ago cheap and toughed it out. Going down fire roads was a blast but on anything technical I never felt comfortable because I was a little stretched out on it.

    I really like the geometry of the Heckler. It's much more slack. I sit more upright and for me climbing is easier and it's more nimble when I have to maneuver around things.

    I bought the frame only on the SC website for $550 plus tax and shipping. If they had nomad frames for that price I would have gotten one of those based on all the reviews.

    Any other questions just let me know.

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    Heres my new Heckler, custom built '13 model. This bike rocks, everyone including the shop owners tried to talk me into a nomad or bronson, but simply I couldn't afford those so went with this.
    Coming off a Reign X I was told that this would be inferior to the Maestro platform and blah blah blah, but after my first run down my local tracks I hit things I never touched on the Reign, I love the liveliness of the single pivot. I don't really buy into the VPP hype now, clearly geometry is much more important as the bike just feels so right.
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    Awesome bike man. I had bombers on my Heckler, '05 AM2's then '08 55ETA's. Tried some early brown 36 Talas and thought they were sh!t, no comparison to Zocchi. I resent that mtbr.com don't fullly cover Zoke's new products and leap at anything Fox, simply because they're paid to. Interesting to see how much you use the dropper post. Guess I'm oldschool, maybe just old, but they seem a bit of a gimmick to me, and not very reliable yet either.

    Loved my Heckler, hammered the crap out of it for years, took unbelievable punishment. With it's long legs and short body, with a well balanced, upright seating position, it takes the big hits superbly, much better than a lot of more complex linkage.

    I had an '03, developed a bit of slop in the swingarm which caused the shock bolt holes (on swingarm) to round out. The new design looks more durable, but make sure you replace the main pivot bearings as regularly, like every season. Had an '06 Foes FXR 2:1 after the Heckler which had a swing link connecting the top of the single pivot swingarm which significantly reduced flex, was noticeably stiffer than the Heckler.

    Check this out: Heckler Rear End Flexing - YouTube

    Edit: I just rewatched this video (after a couple of years) and I can barely see any flex in the rear triangle. The rear wheel is flexing it's guts out, but not the frame.

    Now, I'm not dissing the Heckler, it's a great bike, but it is an inherently flexy design. Honestly, you don't even notice it when you're bombing down a hill, I never did, and I had the old model. But some lateral flex is there, and it's stressing the main pivot and shock hardware, something to be aware of. SC introduced the Butcher in order to address these issues, but it's not the classic the Heckler is, perhaps even the most classic mtb of all time, has one of the longest and impressive lineages.

    In regard to the "VPP hype", I used to think the same, hardcore single pivot, even had a Bullit as well (great DH, pig of a trail bike)... until I rode a VPP bike. I'd always wanted a VP-Free, a DH bike you could actually ride to the top of the hill, and it's been a revelation. I mean, it's ridiculously overbuilt, heavy as hell (Saint cranks, 66 Evo Ti, DH parts), and the VPP design has since been revised several times, but man, it rides sooooo well. VPP farken rocks dude, it's really good, super plush yet has great small bump compliance, climbs really well and descends even better (it is a DH bike).

    The single pivot design, although great, super stable and bombproof, relies a lot on the shock platform to prevent pedal bomb, mushiness. The trade-off for this is that the bike lacks a bit of small bump compliance. Takes big hits like a champ, but you do feel a bit more through the chatter, imo anyway. The beauty of VPP is that you can have your shock all the way open and let the linkage design take care of the rest, which it does without fuss, very impressive.

    Anyway, have fun on your awesome new Heckler, and maybe VPP's something to think about in the future. Personally, I'm saving for a carbon Bronson.
    "You go up the hill, you go down the hill."

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    After a year of tinkering, finally done and perfectly tuned...

    My statistics: 180cm, 80kg, inseam 34inches. Trail/all-mountain, no jumps or drops higher/deeper than 1.5ft.

    2011 heckler Medium size.

    Cockpit: Easton Havoc 65mm + Funn Full-on 2inch riser alum bars 770mm width. Seatpost: Rockshox Reverb.

    Fork: Rockshox Domain 318 set at 160mm with nylon spacer, 5wt Stendec oil, Boxxer Soft spring cut to match. Enlarged compression valve (drill bit is one size-up from original hole) using battery hand drill for faster flow, noticeably smooths out trail harshness and small bumps. Always have about 1.5 inches left from bottom out after rides with small 1ft drop-offs.

    Shock: Fox RP23 2012 Kashima Vel=Low, Reb=Low (traded off with DHX RC4). Blow through mid-travel (1st ride) still happened, then I added a plastic sheet into air-can to reduce air volume (roughly 5cc). This shock out-performs the DHX Air as it smooths out the chatters better than DHX Air and suspension curve makes it really plush across the full travel. There's once the o-ring dropped off the end, but i didn't notice the bottom-out happen. As for RC4, compression felt like overdamp for heckler and much harsher, not a comfortable shock for trail riding.

    Shock Bushing: Proshox offset. The change in geometry did help my riding. Most obvious improvement i noticed is the body weight centering sweet spot is much more accommodating during weight shifts, might be due to longer wheelbase and lower BB height. Previously, it was a body balancing act whenever i come across technical uphills or downhills sections. But now i'm clearing the same sections without feeling out of balance.

    Tires: Maxxis Hansventure 2.4 2-ply (Front) + 2.25 ardent (Back)

    Drivetrain, Brakes, etc: 2011 SLX groupset. Blackspire Stinger roller chain-guide. Shimano PD-647 clipless pedals.

    Other DIY stuff: Water-jet cutting alum bashguard. "Carbon fiber" fenders. Off-the-shelf stickers.

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    SICK ride clouder. Nice work. I've had my 2010 Heckler for a few months and it is such an awesome bike. Congrats on the build, our riding style sounds very similar.

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    thanks charlie..!!
    ~ Wish you all ride happy and safe..!! ~

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    Old, but still an awesome bike!

    2006 Heckler

    Heckler photo thread 2007-6-20-13-small.jpg

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    I posted a pic of my Heckler in this thread WAY back in 2007 right after I bought it (can't believe it's been that long!). Anyway, thought I'd post another pic. Took this one a few days ago. After all these years and countless miles ridden all over Arizona, Colorado, and Texas, the bike is still going strong. It kind of blows my mind how well it's held up. Just had the fork and shock rebuilt by Push. Between that and the new WTB Bronsons I just threw on, the bike has never felt better. I went with the Heckler over the Blur because I wanted a simple, low maintenance bike that would last. Not disappointed. If and when I have to replace it, there's a very good chance I'll custom build another Heckler.Heckler photo thread 2007-img_0386.jpg

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