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    Future for the TRc

    With the Bronson and Solo just released what will happen to the TRc? I have to admit I'm curious but hesitant to go 650b but I LOVE my TRc. I'm concerned that it might get axed and with as many times as I have had it warrantied due to the circle crack this concerns me. What do I get as a warranty if the TRc gets axed? I've read that they will keep replacemt stock and I'm sure they will however at this pace I will require at least 5 warranties a year, roughly every 250 miles or 2 months for me.

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    ask for a solo if your trc gets warrantied again.

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    How many TRcs have you gone through? I'm waiting for my first warranty replacement and do not look forward to it happening again...

    I doubt SC will give you a solo when they'll have plenty of serviceable TRcs in stock. What if everyone who had to get theirs replaced started asking for Solos?

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    Sales numbers are going to decide the TRc fate and with the 650s popularity it doesn't look too good. What's even more odd is the choice to introduce the TRa this year and the time and resources that went into it. It seems to indicate that the recent release of 650s was not something sc was planning to do this quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve.E View Post
    How many TRcs have you gone through? I'm waiting for my first warranty replacement and do not look forward to it happening again...

    I doubt SC will give you a solo when they'll have plenty of serviceable TRcs in stock. What if everyone who had to get theirs replaced started asking for Solos?
    I had a 2012 frame, warrantied with a 2013 frame (because they no longer had 2012 rear triangles) and now the 2013 rear triangle requires another warranty. I've been replacing roughly every 2-3 months, and it will continue that way until they update that pivot point to the co-molded version they have on the Bronson, Solo, TB2.

    I've talked to my shop about it and have them retorque the bearings every 50 miles to see if that you stop it from cracking but it didn't. I love the bike and don't plan to switch but at some point I think it would be cheaper to warranty me a frame such as the Bronson or Solo as opposed to replacing the rear triangle every 2-3 months under warranty.

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    From the new build kit specs (RockShox Reverb Stealth) for complete TRCs I'd anticipate an update to the TRC. At least remote cable access, maybe the new frame protection, pivots, etc. I have a 2013 TRC, been riding it hard for 6+ months, a few battle scars but no radial crack yet.
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    Right now on the site, they have the TR, Solo and Tallboy under the Trailbike section. Maybe it's naive, but wouldn't it make sense for them for the future to keep one bike of each wheelsize?

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    Quote Originally Posted by laine View Post
    Right now on the site, they have the TR, Solo and Tallboy under the Trailbike section. Maybe it's naive, but wouldn't it make sense for them for the future to keep one bike of each wheelsize?
    I think you just hit the nail on the head. It's the perfect trail bike offering.....one of each wheel size. I keep lusting after the TRc but never seem to pull the trigger......

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    How come they don't just do the comolding thing on the TRc? Would it require a major redesign of the frame, or do they have a bunch of the old rear triangles that they want to get rid of? Seems like if it's a defective product, they should just fix it instead of making it part a new "TRc 2."

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    Quote Originally Posted by rglsr View Post
    From the new build kit specs (RockShox Reverb Stealth) for complete TRCs I'd anticipate an update to the TRC. At least remote cable access, maybe the new frame protection, pivots, etc. I have a 2013 TRC, been riding it hard for 6+ months, (even running a 150mm 34) a few battle scars but no radial crack yet.
    Hopefully that is true. But also the Nomad and the Chameleon now have the Stealth Reverb in the new kit. So either they are updating most of their bikes or it's a typo? We will find out soon i guess.

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    I predict a 2014 revision for the TRc with the downtube protector and (hopefully) the updated lower pivot. I doubt they'll include ISCG mounts, and I wouldn't be suprised if they didn't include the Reverb routing either.

    I think SC would be inclined to keep the TRc as more of a XC riders trail bike, the lack of ICSG and Reverb mounts will definitely make people consider the Solo more, which I think is in SC's interests as they (and the entire industry) want to get us to move to 27.5"

    They definitely need to update the lower pivot construction as it is obviously a design failure

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve.E View Post
    I predict a 2014 revision for the TRc with the downtube protector and (hopefully) the updated lower pivot. I doubt they'll include ISCG mounts, and I wouldn't be suprised if they didn't include the Reverb routing either.

    I think SC would be inclined to keep the TRc as more of a XC riders trail bike, the lack of ICSG and Reverb mounts will definitely make people consider the Solo more, which I think is in SC's interests as they (and the entire industry) want to get us to move to 27.5"

    They definitely need to update the lower pivot construction as it is obviously a design failure
    That's exactly the problem: Everyone will pick the 650bs just because they are more modern, not because 27.5 is so much better.

    I would love to get a TRc right now but the carbon lower linkage issue and the missing stealth routing option are reasons not to. If I have to pay that much money I prefer a modern frame.
    I would like to stick to SC but there are some other options to consider (Mojo, sb66c). I might wait a bit though...

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    If they stop making TRC'S run 26'ers on a solo! I am sick of these 650 and 29'er bikes coming out due to marketing pressure. It seems like every time you turn around there is a new 650 and 29'er but nothing for people who like 26 inch bikes. My buddy was waiting on a revised nomad however since Specailized released the Enduro 29er, no doubt the revised nomad will be a 29'er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Beater View Post
    If they stop making TRC'S run 26'ers on a solo! ...
    not the best idea for BB clearance

    BB height will drop from 13,1" to 12,6" if you change 650b wheels (584mm rim diameter) to 26" (559mm rim diameter) on a Solo.
    radius diff. is 12,5mm or 0,5"

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    I was being sarcastic since all of the people putting 650 on 26'er frames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by h20-50 View Post
    With the Bronson and Solo just released what will happen to the TRc? I have to admit I'm curious but hesitant to go 650b but I LOVE my TRc. I'm concerned that it might get axed and with as many times as I have had it warrantied due to the circle crack this concerns me. What do I get as a warranty if the TRc gets axed? I've read that they will keep replacemt stock and I'm sure they will however at this pace I will require at least 5 warranties a year, roughly every 250 miles or 2 months for me.
    Have you tried calling SC and asking them this question?
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    Quote Originally Posted by h20-50 View Post
    With the Bronson and Solo just released what will happen to the TRc? I have to admit I'm curious but hesitant to go 650b but I LOVE my TRc. I'm concerned that it might get axed and with as many times as I have had it warrantied due to the circle crack this concerns me. What do I get as a warranty if the TRc gets axed? I've read that they will keep replacemt stock and I'm sure they will however at this pace I will require at least 5 warranties a year, roughly every 250 miles or 2 months for me.
    I'm wondering about the same thing. My 2012 TRc is just starting to show the crack. One of my riding buddies who has the same frame(purchased at the same time during the VPLS sale) just got his warranty replacement.
    I'm kind of holding on to my bike for now to see how things play out. Wonder if they would let me swap to a Bronson or solo for a upgrade fee.

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    Santa Cruz replied to my email:

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    The pivots were improved greatly on the 2013 version, so very few people are having issues with the new ones.* The Bronson/Solo/TB2 go one step further with co-molded pivots, but that is not an option for the TRc at this point. I hope this helps, let me know if you need more.
    As much as I would like this reply to fill me with confidence regarding my incoming 2013 replacement frame, from what I've seen on these forms there doesn't seen to be any difference in the amount of people with 2013 frames who have had failures.

    It's a shame that updating the TRc isn't an 'option', I would guess they're not willing to invest more money in a new mold for what is probably going to be an obsolete frame before long

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    I predict that the TRc is also on the chopping block . . . I recall a conversation I had when the TRc was announced with someone close to the inner circles that the TRc was purpose built for the syndicate riders on the dual slalom course - essentially a close approximation for the old 4X. If the Syndicate moves to the Solo (which I believe they have), the TRc's days are numbered (more than they already are).

    This, coupled with the massive losses they've taken on warranty frames make it a no-brainer . . . . and the reply above pretty clearly implicates that they aren't updating the frame.

    My prediction: TRc axed in 2014.
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    Can someone point me at some documentation about the crack you are all talking about? Where should I be checking?

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    Never mind - found it. Will be checking as soon as I get home...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve.E View Post
    Santa Cruz replied to my email:



    As much as I would like this reply to fill me with confidence regarding my incoming 2013 replacement frame, from what I've seen on these forms there doesn't seen to be any difference in the amount of people with 2013 frames who have had failures.

    It's a shame that updating the TRc isn't an 'option', I would guess they're not willing to invest more money in a new mold for what is probably going to be an obsolete frame before long
    I have had both frames and there is not a bit of difference between the 2 pivot points. Not sure what had been greatly improved but it's def not the lower pivot point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATXZJ View Post
    Have you tried calling SC and asking them this question?
    Nope. I figured it would be pointless, they aren't obligated to tell me about the expected updates and assumed they would not anyhow as tight lipped as they have been lately.

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    I think the end of the BlurXC and BlurLT is a pretty strong omen as well...

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    Syndicate riders will ride ride what ever they are told to ride. Cedric ( well not syndicate) was running the Tallboy LT for a while and then switched back to the TRC. The market pressure is on the 650 and 29er size wheels and Santa Cruz will do what they can to keep their market share while still making amazing bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by h20-50 View Post
    I have had both frames and there is not a bit of difference between the 2 pivot points. Not sure what had been greatly improved but it's def not the lower pivot point.
    I replied asking what the difference is, I'll be interested to see what they say. I don't even want to spend the £60 to get the helicopter tape kit for my frame when it arrives, no confidence in it at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve.E View Post
    I replied asking what the difference is, I'll be interested to see what they say. I don't even want to spend the £60 to get the helicopter tape kit for my frame when it arrives, no confidence in it at all.
    Let us know what they say.

    All I can see is they went from a 135QR to 142x12 in the rear and instead of a carbon upper link they moved to an aluminum one but neither of these effects the area (lower pivot point) where the crack always is.

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    Re: Future for the TRc

    I agree.
    My hope is that my TRc will crack before 5 year warranty expires and there is no more trcs left so I would get an updated replacement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzanova View Post
    I agree.
    My hope is that my TRc will crack before 5 year warranty expires and there is no more trcs left so I would get an updated replacement.

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    How long have you had your TRc and do you ride it aggressively?

    It'd be good to hear answers to these questions from other TRc owners, it's very hard to get an idea of just how many of these frames have cracked when you only hear from those who post about it obviously!

    Still no reply from Santa Cruz re: my earlier question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve.E View Post
    How long have you had your TRc and do you ride it aggressively?

    It'd be good to hear answers to these questions from other TRc owners, it's very hard to get an idea of just how many of these frames have cracked when you only hear from those who post about it obviously!

    Still no reply from Santa Cruz re: my earlier question.
    Two other guys that I ride with have the same frame. Between the 3 of us, there are 2 medium frames and 1 Large. The Large and my medium were purchased during the VPLS sale(serial numbers were close so prolly manufactured around the same time) and we started riding them 09/12. The other medium wasn't built up till beginning of this year I think. Both of the bikes that were put in service in 09/12 developed the crack. The one that was built up early this year does not have the crack yet.

    I think it really depends on how the bike is ridden. We started riding this trail where there are a series of drops maybe 2-3ft high and I know there are times when I don't have enough momentum and end up bottoming out the suspension. I'm thinking that repeated stress from bottoming out the suspension is causing the disbonding(but that's pure speculation on my part).
    The large has been warrantied already and I'm holding on to my frame for now since the crack on mine wasn't as big as the other one and I'm holding out to see if new color/features will come out
    Anyway, it will be interesting to see if the 3rd frame also cracks in a few months.

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    Re: Future for the TRc

    I have been riding mine since last December. Mostly Xc, regular trail riding, nothing too hard, trails in OC California. No crack yet.

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    Interesting to hear people are still having issues with the newer TRc rear triangle. I have a 2012 TRc that I bought new this spring, rode for 6 weeks and cracked in the usual spot. I am currently waiting for my replacement frame to arrive which is the newer 142mm version. When talking to Willie at Santa Cruz on the phone I asked him if the newer frame still has the same construction and he said that the pivot area has been beefed up and doesn't seem to have the same problem. Guess time will tell.

    One thing I'm wondering is if this failure could be partially cause by using the grease gun. Grease guns can create a LOT of psi and when you force the grease through the seals and out between the link and the triangle pivot mount that pressure has to go somewhere. I wonder if it is possible to side load those inserts in a way they weren't intended. When I bought the bike the dealer even mentioned I would be better off just popping the axles out once a week since the gun tends to cause "problems".
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    Quote Originally Posted by pwu_1 View Post
    Two other guys that I ride with have the same frame. Between the 3 of us, there are 2 medium frames and 1 Large. The Large and my medium were purchased during the VPLS sale(serial numbers were close so prolly manufactured around the same time) and we started riding them 09/12. The other medium wasn't built up till beginning of this year I think. Both of the bikes that were put in service in 09/12 developed the crack. The one that was built up early this year does not have the crack yet.

    I think it really depends on how the bike is ridden. We started riding this trail where there are a series of drops maybe 2-3ft high and I know there are times when I don't have enough momentum and end up bottoming out the suspension. I'm thinking that repeated stress from bottoming out the suspension is causing the disbonding(but that's pure speculation on my part).
    The large has been warrantied already and I'm holding on to my frame for now since the crack on mine wasn't as big as the other one and I'm holding out to see if new color/features will come out
    Anyway, it will be interesting to see if the 3rd frame also cracks in a few months.
    The disbonding is caused by lateral flexing of the rear triangle. I ride mine aggressively and hit jumps, clear table tops, kick the rear out in the air as well as slide it around corners. This side to side motion is what causes it. It just simply is not bonded strong enough to handle this lateral torsion. If you ride XC and aren't aggressive I don't think you will see this problem occur for years, or if at all. Mine starts at about to months to pronounce the crack, then right around 3 months its a complete crack. You can also feel the rear get a little flexy when this occurs but only when it experiences heavy lateral forces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skogan View Post
    Interesting to hear people are still having issues with the newer TRc rear triangle. I have a 2012 TRc that I bought new this spring, rode for 6 weeks and cracked in the usual spot. I am currently waiting for my replacement frame to arrive which is the newer 142mm version. When talking to Willie at Santa Cruz on the phone I asked him if the newer frame still has the same construction and he said that the pivot area has been beefed up and doesn't seem to have the same problem. Guess time will tell.

    One thing I'm wondering is if this failure could be partially cause by using the grease gun. Grease guns can create a LOT of psi and when you force the grease through the seals and out between the link and the triangle pivot mount that pressure has to go somewhere. I wonder if it is possible to side load those inserts in a way they weren't intended. When I bought the bike the dealer even mentioned I would be better off just popping the axles out once a week since the gun tends to cause "problems".
    Yeah good point about the grease gun. But I never "grease gunned" mine and it's still cracked (from about 30 rides/ 2.5 months of riding) at the usual spot.

    I wonder if it's true that the newer ones are beefed up in the pivot bonding area? Because guys are reporting cracks at the same place with the 2013 frames.

    SC will have to step it up otherwise they will end up shipping new frames to a whole lot of people!

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    I've been riding the piss out of mine since October 2011. I'm a 190 lb former dh hack riding big, long, steep rides in east TN and west NC - mud, roots, rocks, fat chicks - the works. No cracks, no problems (and I'm lazy with maintenance). This week I disassembled, cleaned and re-assembled everything and didn't see a single frame problem. I have replaced a few shock bushings and recently developed a small creak in the lower pivot/bb area that I can't seem to isolate and get rid of, but that's it (and I'm suspecting the bb is toast).

    I just wanted to share my experience as reading this thread makes it out that if you pony up the cash for this frame, its going to break during the first ride - and that hasn't been the case. My experience on an early run frame is that it has been very durable and simply a f-ing blast.

    This is the only bike I've owned in 15 years where I will confidently say that if it were to get stolen today, I'd use the insurance payout to buy another TRC instead of trying something else.

    And I'm not going to touch the 26 vs 650 debate. I'll let development carry on for another couple of years before I make up my mind. So, here's to hoping the TRC stays around a little while longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wdwhite9 View Post
    I've been riding the piss out of mine since October 2011. I'm a 190 lb former dh hack riding big, long, steep rides in east TN and west NC - mud, roots, rocks, fat chicks - the works. No cracks, no problems (and I'm lazy with maintenance). This week I disassembled, cleaned and re-assembled everything and didn't see a single frame problem. I have replaced a few shock bushings and recently developed a small creak in the lower pivot/bb area that I can't seem to isolate and get rid of, but that's it (and I'm suspecting the bb is toast).

    I just wanted to share my experience as reading this thread makes it out that if you pony up the cash for this frame, its going to break during the first ride - and that hasn't been the case. My experience on an early run frame is that it has been very durable and simply a f-ing blast.

    This is the only bike I've owned in 15 years where I will confidently say that if it were to get stolen today, I'd use the insurance payout to buy another TRC instead of trying something else.

    And I'm not going to touch the 26 vs 650 debate. I'll let development carry on for another couple of years before I make up my mind. So, here's to hoping the TRC stays around a little while longer.
    I'm with you, I love my TRc to death and don't want it go the way of 650b or any other size. If you had a chance to read my other post (carbon disbonding issues thread) you would see I have never talked bad about the TRc nor Santa Cruz despite my bad luck. I'm an engineer by nature and education so I'm always curious. I wanted to see how many people have had this issue ( circle crack) and more importantly to me to see where the TRc was poised in the future SC lineup.

    You're right, the TRc is a very capable bike no matter what you throw at it, and the low BB accentuates the speed in which a corner can be railed. By no means do we disagree on how capable and playful this bike is! And I would never hesitate to purchase another TRc frame period.

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