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    Choosing between a Carbon bronson or Tallboy LTc

    I have been on 29ers for the past 5 years and love them. I have a carbon Highball and a sultan. I am looking to replace my Sultan with something lighter. I like the the tallboy LTc, but I wish it was slacker by 1-1.5 degrees (think Intense Spider Comp). The bronson looks perfect, but I have never ridden A 650B. I was wondering if anyone has gone from 29er to 650B. Was looking for comparisons of overall fun vs momentum vs rollover ability vs overall speed. Thanks for any feedback. Thanks for any help.
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    I dont have actual input for you. But I am really interested in that comparison myself.
    Some of us asked Francis (from the mtbr staff, rode the Bronson and the LTC already) for that exact experience.
    He said hed include that specifically in his ride review of the Bronson, which will be published in a couple of days on the landing page of mtbr.com

    I feel that the overlap between the Bronson/Tallboy LTC and even the Blur TRC will crack the brains of a lot SC customers.
    I think that Ill have to fly over to a big SC dealer and ride them back to back. Too many variables...

    Id love to own all three. But thats not going to happen.

    Greetings and good luck with your decision

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    I can compare a TBc to a TRc 650b.

    I think the 29er wheels roll through rock gardens a little better, but the 650b wheels with the TRc's slacker geometry and longer travel make up for most of it.

    I think the TBc is faster overall, and maintains momentum better. It's a better XC race bike.

    The TBc climbs a little better. I this is due to the steeper geometry and longer chainstays rather than wheel size. The TRc's front end tends to wander and lift on steep climbs. Both have excellent climbing traction on rocky & rooty climbs.

    Both bikes are pretty playful, but the TRc more so. The TBc is pretty flickable for a 29er, but it's easier to loft the front wheel on the TRc so it really encourages you to hop over small obstacles and drops instead of just rolling them.

    The TRc is plusher and more stable and faster downhill. It especially shines on really fast twisty trails. You can really push it into a turn and it just squats down and rails.

    At 5'7", the TRc just seems to fit me better. I feel very balanced on the bike compared to my 29ers.

    I would say the TRc is more playful and fun. I would attribute most of this to the shorter chainstays and shorter wheelbase. The TBc is a more efficient pedaler and probably the better all-arounder, working well for everything from racing to technical trail riding. I don't do big jumps or drops, so I have no need for a long-travel heavy-duty all-mountain bike.

    Lately I've been mostly riding the TRc because it is so fun and so balanced and comfortable. I'd choose the TBc for a race, though.

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    Choosing between a Carbon bronson or Tallboy LTc

    Quote Originally Posted by Alpenglow View Post
    I have been on 29ers for the past 5 years and love them. I have a carbon Highball and a sultan. I am looking to replace my Sultan with something lighter. I like the the tallboy LTc, but I wish it was slacker by 1-1.5 degrees (think Intense Spider Comp). The bronson looks perfect, but I have never ridden A 650B. I was wondering if anyone has gone from 29er to 650B. Was looking for comparisons of overall fun vs momentum vs rollover ability vs overall speed. Thanks for any feedback. Thanks for any help.
    I think you have a good point. Same dilemma Scott bike riders have deciding between Genius 700 and Genius 900. Less suspension + better roll with bigger hoop vs. more suspension + not as good roll with smaller hoop. Some would also look at agility differences in tight single track and switchbacks, with the nod to the smaller, lighter & stiffer hoops. Only way to decide is personal choice after demo. Owning both would make you go crazy.

    As far as HTA, an angled headset such as Works or Cane Creek solves that issue for a tad over $100.


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    I'll have both soon and am planning on exactly this comparison.

    My TBLTc is fast, fun, and capable as all get-out, but I'm hoping the Bronson is more playful.

    I'm working on getting my TBLTc as light as reasonably possible without reducing it's capabilities. Added Easton Haven Carbons today - wow. It sits at 29lbs right now with pedals (CB Mallet DH Race) - carbon bars, Fox DOSS, Chunky Monkey 2.4 front and Ardent 2.4 rear. XL frame. Next step is swapping the Saint cranks for X9 or XX1 with Bling Ring - that should save another .5lb.

    The Bronson will be the bike park ride - coil shock and 160mm fork. It'll have alloy wheels until Easton have a 27.5 Haven Carbon set.

    I don't think you can go wrong with either bike - especially if you're big enough to feel comfortable on the TBLTc. At 6'1-2" I feel I've got the proportions to throw the TBLTc around pretty well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpenglow View Post
    I have been on 29ers for the past 5 years and love them. I have a carbon Highball and a sultan. I am looking to replace my Sultan with something lighter. I like the the tallboy LTc, but I wish it was slacker by 1-1.5 degrees (think Intense Spider Comp). The bronson looks perfect, but I have never ridden A 650B. I was wondering if anyone has gone from 29er to 650B. Was looking for comparisons of overall fun vs momentum vs rollover ability vs overall speed. Thanks for any feedback. Thanks for any help.
    Any reason not to just go with the SpiderComp?

    What about the LTc with an angleset?

    Just something I posted on another thread to keep you guessing.

    When I read about the Fox 34 Talas 150/120 and it was OEM only I emailed Intense about the fork as I thought it would be a perfect match for the Sipder Comp. They respond with something is in testing, keep an eye out. Be nice to have the choice of runing XC/Trail at 120/120 then going anywhere bigger going Trail/AM with 150/130.

    Just a thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    Any reason not to just go with the SpiderComp?

    What about the LTc with an angleset?

    Just something I posted on another thread to keep you guessing.

    When I read about the Fox 34 Talas 150/120 and it was OEM only I emailed Intense about the fork as I thought it would be a perfect match for the Sipder Comp. They respond with something is in testing, keep an eye out. Be nice to have the choice of runing XC/Trail at 120/120 then going anywhere bigger going Trail/AM with 150/130.

    Just a thought.
    If Intense really wanted to make a splash, they'd release a Tracer 29 in carbon with 150mm rear travel. Maybe this is what they are working on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    If Intense really wanted to make a splash, they'd release a Tracer 29 in carbon with 150mm rear travel. Maybe this is what they are working on?
    Not sure. My email specifically asked if I could run a 150 on the Spider Comp and if it's a yes, would they consider offering a frame and fork package since the 150/120 was OEM only.

    The response was basically they are testing the frame with a longer fork and doing some fine tuning.
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    Thanks for all the great replies. Looking forward Noah and Francis's comparisons/reviews. I do some ultra endurance 100 mile races and I like my Highball for them. I am looking for an all day fun bike to replace my Sultan. I want a shorter chainstays, carbon frame, and slacker head angle. I will probably use the new Pike whether I go 650 or 29. The playfulness and geo and weight of the 650B has me curios. I lover 29ers, but it is hard to manual and bunny hop my sultan compared to my old 5Spot. I know about the benefits of going from 26 to 29, but I will be interested to hear from folks going from 29 to 27.5. I am also considering the Spider Comp.

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    If I had money to burn, a 2 bike quiver with something like...

    TBLTc set up on the lighter side of a trail bike with a lighter build. Sort of a longer travel xc bike. For the rides where you like to pedal hard and go fast.

    Bronson - on the AM side of trail. Heavier build for play riding and getting more fun out of the downhills.

    I think they'd likely both make great middle of the road, trail bikes. But, might give the edge to the TBLTc with it's lesser travel and likely better climbing ability. While rarely spoken of these days, most riding time is still spent slowly, painfully grinding uphill. A bike that takes the edge off that jagged little pill always gets my vote. Out of the saddle pedaling on a 150mm bike is a drag.

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    Great response so far!

    I am really curious how big the difference in front wheel lifting flickability between the Bronson and the Tallboy LTC is.

    The chainstays aren't that much shorter, but the bottom bracket to axle relation is quite different. Test rides will reveal what's going on there.

    I am pretty much set on a Blur TRC, as I am also after a good climbing, nimble fun bike, as I miss pumping, manualing and hopping on the little stuff with my 29er.

    The Bronson is immensely tempting as well though. But I guess it is designed more for speed and stability than flickability.
    It's very sad that the new Pike doesn't come in 140mm for the 26er. Would love that on a TRC.

    For Enduro racing at my size 6ft long inseam, I'd any day choose the TB LTC. Those 29ers are really fast and efficient. For everything not racing, where maximizing fun is the highest priority, I'd probably go with a smaller wheel this time and look for relatively short chainstays.

    With all the long travel bikes out there I keep forgetting what stuff I rode with 130mm in the past. In my area the trails haven't kept up with the advances in suspension amount, action and geometry. A lot of the once demanding trails feel very easy and almost boring on my current AM 29er. Of course I can just ride them faster, but at the same time the risk of severe injury also grows.

    I might therefore downsize a bit and migh get cheaper burly bike for shuttle and lift assisted riding,

    For racing and if you've got burly terrain in your neighborhood the available options are definitely breathtaking. Good times.

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    I had a TBc built light with a reverb and Enve XC wheels and I LOVED THAT BIKE!! I now have a TBLTc stock build from SC XTR Enve AM and of course a Reverb. It is a very fun bike and it is more fun on the rough downhills but is a touch slower on the climbs. It weighs about a pound and a half more then the TBc. I just ordered a Bronson with the stock XTR Enve kit from SC and I suspect it will be similar to the jump from TBc to TBLTc. The Bronson should be better going downhill and jumping. I think I will give up a little on the climbs. My riding style has moved in that direction ever since I started to go to Whistler Bike Park. I ride almost every day on OC Cal and I will post a full comparison when the bike comes in in two weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pachaven View Post
    I had a TBc built light with a reverb and Enve XC wheels and I LOVED THAT BIKE!! I now have a TBLTc stock build from SC XTR Enve AM and of course a Reverb. It is a very fun bike and it is more fun on the rough downhills but is a touch slower on the climbs. It weighs about a pound and a half more then the TBc. I just ordered a Bronson with the stock XTR Enve kit from SC and I suspect it will be similar to the jump from TBc to TBLTc. The Bronson should be better going downhill and jumping. I think I will give up a little on the climbs. My riding style has moved in that direction ever since I started to go to Whistler Bike Park. I ride almost every day on OC Cal and I will post a full comparison when the bike comes in in two weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    I am CLEARLY in the wrong line of work. Living in the O.C., two $10K rigs AND time to ride everyday?!
    I miss living in Cali, did a 2 year stint there while in the military. Living in Cali sounds great until you think the state has 335 billion in debt.... Things could go downhill fast! Pun intended

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    Quote Originally Posted by h20-50 View Post
    I miss living in Cali, did a 2 year stint there while in the military. Living in Cali sounds great until you think the state has 335 billion in debt.... Things could go downhill fast! Pun intended
    I was born and raised there. Most of my family still lives in Norcal.

    California finances not as bad as many states:

    California's debt still a heavy cloud over state's future - Los Angeles Times

    I now live in upstate NY, worse off financially:

    The New York state debt threat - NYPOST.com

    Nonetheless, I don't miss the population density of Norcal and trail access hassle. I live in the country with very good trail access and variety

    If I want density, I can take a weekend trip to the Big Apple
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    This is a bump, as I've also been wondering about this comparison & figure some folks will have put in some saddle time on Bronsons by now. I've been riding the hell out of a Tallboy LTc and loving it, but I'd be interested in something with a bit more jumping/descending chops.

    Curious how adding 15mm of travel but shrinking the wheels changes things; guessing the LTc and Bronson would roll over rough stuff with similar aplomb, but that the LTc would climb a little better while the Bronson would huck and descend steep stuff a little better. Anyone actually done a back-to-back?

    Enduro 29er also has my attention, though it's hard to go back to wallowy FSR after getting used to something with lots of anti-squat built into the design.

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    I have 3 rides on my new Bronson and am loving it. I am coming off a dual Sus Trek Superfly 100 CC bike. My strava times for both climbing and decending got better on the Bronson. I live in AZ where our trails are rocky and rough, so the extra suspension on the Bronson is making it easier for me to climb. I demoed a TBLTc and the Bronson is very similar. At 5'8, it was the right bike for me.

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    I'm 6'4" and ride a Nomadc and a first gen Pivot 429. The Santa Cruz demo is rolling through town in a couple weeks. The demo is at some very familiar trails so I really look forward to demoing the TBLTc and the Bronson. I'm really hoping to come away totally content with my Nomadc as the clear winner

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    Keep your eye on the Spider Comp. Intense is not going to fall behind the Spec Enduro.

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    Great discussion, I have a TBLTc which I ride in the Fruita/Grand Junction/Moab trails. I think its the best do everything bike I have owned, and I have owned too many. I am also interested into the bikes ability to accelerate up rock lifts,slabs, quickly. I have briefly ridden the Bronson and 3 things stood out in comp. to my LTc. The Bronson turned in nicely, carving a tight inside line, second the front fork rake was more pronounced than the LTc, and 3 the BB was higher. I think for all around trail riding the LTc would suit me better but I need more time on the Bronson to say outright. If you are riding knarly trails like Lunch Loop/Porc. Rim/ huck off every rock you find the Bronson would win, there is allot of overlap with these bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fruitafrank View Post
    Great discussion, I have a TBLTc which I ride in the Fruita/Grand Junction/Moab trails. I think its the best do everything bike I have owned, and I have owned too many. I am also interested into the bikes ability to accelerate up rock lifts,slabs, quickly. I have briefly ridden the Bronson and 3 things stood out in comp. to my LTc. The Bronson turned in nicely, carving a tight inside line, second the front fork rake was more pronounced than the LTc, and 3 the BB was higher. I think for all around trail riding the LTc would suit me better but I need more time on the Bronson to say outright. If you are riding knarly trails like Lunch Loop/Porc. Rim/ huck off every rock you find the Bronson would win, there is allot of overlap with these bikes.
    Good stuff, informative... Even though I have a Jet 9 RDO, I am still interested in the LTc, but now the Bronson is in town, and then something is going down June 1st! Man it just keeps getting better and better, but more complicated as what to choose.

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    Have no input on the Bronson but have the TBLTc and at first I didn't like the 69.5 head angle. Got a Works 1.5 angle set and it made all the difference. So if the geo is what you don't like about the TBLT there are options.

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    This mirrors my experience, after tons of time on a TBLTc and now having initial impressions on the Bronson. Both are great, and there is definitely lots of overlap. Biggest immediate differences:

    1) Slacker head tube makes for confident descending, but the bike still feels snappy and maneuverable due to smaller wheels;

    2) Small wheels change speeds WAY easier. After years of only riding 29ers, I'm amazed at how quickly you can accelerate the smaller wheels, even with relatively heavy tires. This makes the bike climb better too; technical climbing has lots of speed changes.

    3) Easier to pick up the front wheel. Shorter stays+smaller wheels=easy wheelies and manuals. This is great for climbing (picking up the front over ledges) and also technical descending (picking up the front going off low-speed drops to avoid nosedive).

    All in all the Bronson is just a bit more playful; TBLTc is a tank that will demolish rocky descents at extreme speeds, but it's really a bike that prefers to keep its wheels on the ground in my experience. The Bronson will do that OR dance all over the trail, hit kickers, rail berms etc.

    TBLTc would be a bit more at home as a marathon racer (still not perfect for that, but it'd do OK) or aggressive-XC kind of deal; if you want a bike for long days in the backcountry that will eat up the miles and take whatever you throw, TBLTc is fantastic. But I have another bike for that; when the goal is to have fun on the trails and hit some features along the way, it's the Bronson for me.

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    Pretty accurate summary.

    I love(d) my TBLTc - but I haven't touched it since I got the Bronson.
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    I have very little time on the Bronson so with that I have spent alot of time on the LTc and I found that wheels and tires make a big difference in how the bike handles. I switched from the Ardent 2.4 [monster truck tire ] to a Spec.Purgatory front and Spec. Ground Control back. the steering went from secure but a bit numb to quick , turn in was much quicker with the Spec. combo. Second IMO the TBLTc jumps well and is balanced, I look for things to launch of never did before with other bikes. With that I think the Bronson will accelerate, turn, and manual quickly and hope that Noah gives us more feedback as he gets familiar with it. The only steering trait that was diff. for me was a bit of wheel flop with the Bronson at slow speed. Maybe just the diff. from my LTc ?

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    I think you hit the nail on the head with the tire observation. But one of the things I love about the 650b size is that it allows you to run beefy tires without the monster-truck steering feel. I love descending on the TBLTc with 2.35 Nobby Nic Snakeskins, but those tires are kind of a bastard to turn and climb with. By contrast, Bronson with stock High Roller 2.3s feels much snappier, and still grips great; looking forward to trying Nics on the Bronson, should be grippy but shave off almost a pound of bike weight.

    I ride in moist conditions all the time (PNW), and there's no substitute for serious tires; if I had the luxury or being able to run light/skinny tires that might change the equation.

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    Drew, I agree with your observations and am anxious to put some trail time on the Bronson when they are available to demo. I take my tires seriously and have a back room with too many carcauses. If moist conditions are diff. then try 6" of talcom powder over marbles and or slick rock, very hard to find a bottom on some of our trails come summer.

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    I currently own a 2013 650B Mojo HD and Pivot 429 and have demoed the Tallboy LTC and Bronson. I'm looking at purchasing the LTC to replace my 429. I'm on the tall side also so having 650B over 26" is great. As mentioned the Bronson will turn quicker, accelerate a little faster and be more flickable. I find that ridding my HD is more fun and very capable. If you shuttle or park ride forget about it. On the other hand the LTC is an awsome all rounder. If I had to ride one bike this would be my pick. It climbs way better, jumps great for a 29er, faster on the flats and is almost mistake proof. The LTC also feels more stable. It's a great old mans bike. Another plus is going over the bars (endo) is less likely on a 29er. You have a very tough choice. Both are outstanding bikes but ride very differently. Demo both before you buy.

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    I demoed the two today and walked away with a new found appreciation for my Nomadc. I really have a new feeling that 26" wheels make you a better (not necessarily faster) rider. You have to be smooth, pick a good line, & use a lot of body English. But when the skills are there, being able to always grab the inside line and utilize all aspects of the trail, I think 26" wheels are the most fun. I would take the TBLTc as my next pick. While demoing the Bronson I really missed the burly travel and flickability/playfulnes of the Nomadc and the awsome rollover and momentum of the TBLTc. For me I guess I just enjoy the extreme ends of the wheel spectrum. Granted the fit of the Bronson really hindered my ability to enjoy the ride. The XL felt much smaller than my XL Nomad which for the life of me can't understand why. Maybe the 73 degree seat tube? If they made a XXL Bronson I might feel completely different. I went into the demo expecting to be blown away by the Bronson and walked away totally impressed with my Nomad.

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    just back from Downieville and rode my own TBLTC and a Bronson back to back days. The Bronson was an XL and the TB a L. TB had an ardent rear and hans dampf front. Bronson was ardent ardent. TB was tubeless. Bronson was not.

    Bronson with the carbon rims was a neat machine.
    Climbing was great BUT No more capable than the TBLTC. Spun up faster and powering over something was easier, but I would chalk that up to the carbon rims.
    DH was not perceptibly better or worse than the TBLTC. It is not as slack as I though it was going to be. Rides more 26 that 29.

    I liked the TBLTC more for the intermittent rocks and flow up there. If I were off ground more I would like the Bronson more. If I were shorter I would want the Bronson. Not rocket science.

    off topic- 29 tubes work fine in a 27.5. No onestocks 27.5 stuff yet. Envy rims need longer stems. 1x11 is a finicky little girl - no shock there....

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    Dustyman, I agree, the more bikes I ride I find the TBLTc is the best all around bike for me. Just rode a full circle of the Mag-7 trails in Moab. This trail system has everything except 6+ft. drops. The situations you can get into are amazing, with ledge drops with a sharp turn in the landing. My TBLTc goes up and down very well. If I were doing more air then the Bronson might be better.

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    Rode both the past weekend and the ltc felt like it had slower turning, and likes to stay on the ground more. They both pedal great and there's no noticeable difference climbing. The bronson felt way more playful and was a lot more fun to ride

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    I love my Bronson more and more everyday. It just rips.
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    I've now spent a dozen or so days on the BronsonC, after 8 months on the TBLTc; I even did a ride with a buddy who's about my size where we swapped back and forth between these multiple times during the ride.

    Impressions: Mainly what's already been said. TBLTc turns slower and wants to stay on the ground. It soaks up trail chatter and those big wheels will crush anything you point them at. But the Bronson is WAY more fun. Way. More. Fun.

    Bronson is much snappier into and out of turns, even with fat and aggressive tires; TBLTc feels like a yacht with similar rubber. Bronson soaks up hits fantastically well, feels much stiffer and more responsive in rough stuff; I feel comfortable attacking drops and technical sections that I avoided or eased into on the TBLTc. TBLTc by comparison seems flexy and a bit more skittish with bigger hits; that steeper HT really makes itself known when you jump back and forth between them, and the longer chainstays and big wheels feel ungainly when going off lips or steps. Bronson is easy to get weight back and manual off a 3-4 foot ledge even at low speed, while the TBLTc's bigger wheels want to trip you up and send you nose-down in the same situation.

    I find that the Bronson climbs better in technical situations, i.e. I can cleanly get up rough, steppy sections that I can't on the TBLTc. There may be a slight reduction in straight-ahead traction on steep dirt with the smaller wheels, but it's made up for by how much easier it is to torque them over obstacles and the ability to run more aggressive tires without compromising handling. Bronson's rear suspension is very well sorted too; I think it may pedal slightly better than the TBLTc, though not a huge difference.

    All in all, TBLTc has more of a cadillac ride, smooth ground-hugging but not playful. Bronson is more of a sport-tuned 4x4, and encourages you to hit every kicker, rail every berm, ride every log and generally rip all over the trail. After hitting an awesome, flowy local descent for the first time on the Bronson (Tiger Mountain summit trail, for any PNWers), I was so stoked I immediately turned around and rode back up to do it again.

    Executive summary: If you're on the fence, get a Bronson. If you're not on the fence, get a Bronson anyway. Can you tell I like this bike?

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    Some more thoughts on the debate, reposted from a private conversation (PM):

    "Hey man,

    Hard for me to say which one is the "better" bike, but the Bronson is hands down funner. I haven't had much desire to ride my TBLT since I've gotten it, but I forced myself to last week just to see the difference. Here's what I thought:

    - With the 150mm fork I have on the TBLT currently, the front end is higher and the overall fit feels more "comfort" than "race"
    - The 29er makes technical sections easier, you can get through everything - no problem. But, it takes more effort to get going. On the other hand, the 27.5 takes a little more skill to navigate chunk, but it's quick, so short bursts are no problem and require little energy. Also, your line choices are a little more opened up on the 27.5 vs. the 29 - you've got more trail to work with because the handling is quicker. Basically, the Bronson is a razor-sharp scalpel and the TBLT is a Battle Axe - up and down.
    -I never felt the TBLT was flexy before, but after some time on the Bronson - comparably, it is. Not "flexy" per se, but not as outright rigid as the Bronson frame. Granted, my TBLT has a carbon front triangle and a QR, aluminum rear - but it does have carbon wheels (which may actually make the frame wiggle more noticeable). Maybe this point is moot if both bikes are full-carbon and 142x12. I will say that carbon wheels are virtually must with 29", but I don't feel I NEED them on the Bronson.

    The downsides to the Bronson....
    - It is still hard to consistently get tires and rims for 27.5 - I go through both frequently.
    - My frame is getting hammered (cosmetically). The frame geometry, linkage layout of the VPP, and the lowish BB (when sagged) are making short work of the bottom of my bike, I've got some burly scars already - nothing I'm too worried about, but it is ugly. If you get a Bronson and ride rocky terrain frequently, cover that area thoroughly before you ride it! Heli tape wasn't enough, I've now covered most of it in Mastic.

    In short:
    The TBLT keeps you out of trouble, makes everything on the trail easy as cake, is fun on every kind of trail, and is a hoot on high-speed bike park terrain.

    The Bronson gets you into trouble - because it pushes you to go faster, higher, and try crazy-ass lines. It's quicker than spider monkey and feels like a Nomad on the descents and a Blur on the climbs.

    Hope that helps. They're both sick bikes, but if I had neither, and could only buy one - Bronson."
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    Noah, I was surprised that your LTc had an Alum. rear triangle? I think if you had the full carbon LTc with the 142x12 the bike would be more responsive. Just a thought. Mine with carbon wheels[rims] is very quick IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpenglow View Post
    I have been on 29ers for the past 5 years and love them. I have a carbon Highball and a sultan. I am looking to replace my Sultan with something lighter. I like the the tallboy LTc, but I wish it was slacker by 1-1.5 degrees (think Intense Spider Comp). The bronson looks perfect, but I have never ridden A 650B. I was wondering if anyone has gone from 29er to 650B. Was looking for comparisons of overall fun vs momentum vs rollover ability vs overall speed. Thanks for any feedback. Thanks for any help.
    Adding a high volume front tire e.g. the Hans Dampf 2.35 will slacken it a bit.

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    Hey people. I am new here. I am currently looking to upgrade my Cannondale F4. After 7 years I think I am ready for a new bike. Seriously looking at the SCTBLTc and the SCBc along with the Turner Flux or Sultan. Also considering the Salsa Horsethief. I have been riding a Cannondale head shock set up for 15 years now and I am ready to go full suspension. I'm getting to old to keep up on the downhill with kids on 29'rs. Can't beat em, join em! Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by canonphotodude View Post
    Hey people. I am new here. I am currently looking to upgrade my Cannondale F4. After 7 years I think I am ready for a new bike. Seriously looking at the SCTBLTc and the SCBc along with the Turner Flux or Sultan. Also considering the Salsa Horsethief. I have been riding a Cannondale head shock set up for 15 years now and I am ready to go full suspension. I'm getting to old to keep up on the downhill with kids on 29'rs. Can't beat em, join em! Right?
    Good luck with that man!!!
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    Stuck a Minion DHF 2.5 and a DHR2 2.3 on my TBLTc. If it wasn't already a monster truck w/ a spindly Marz 44 29er, the Pike is on its way
    Also, I've up'd the rear damper to a Monarch RC3+. Even w/ the heavy meat rubber, this bike climbs better than an unaltered Blur LTc!

    I got back on my Blur LTc...and realized I've lost some 26" bike handling skills! So, the Blur will get the 650b update. And, with the thing short-shocked, it's like a more slacker and slightly taller version of the Solo...Bolo maybe?
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    Reviving this thread to see if opinions have changed or only gotten stronger.

    With all the changes this season I waited on getting a new bike coming from an HD to see what was coming up but now into winter I'm still leaning towards a Bronson or TBLT with thoughts of the Mach 6(all reports suggest Bronson quicker climber, 6 more mini DH) and BMC 29(too expensive and 150 just seems like too much on 29, 140 ideal). At 6'2" like you other taller guys I feel like I could go either way without issue. Both bikes would be set up the same way:
    XL frame
    Exo tires on carbon rims
    50-55 stem
    piggback shock
    Angleset on TBLT
    Probably 140 fork on TB and 150 on Bronson

    Riding mostly Alberta Rockies and BC, racing the Enduros of course (including Whistler EWS stop, course was rough, fast, and tight), and venturing into your American deserts. Favorite riding is the technical dh stuff, not big hucking which I really need and want to improve on but I still want to continue to be fast, actually faster on my 45-90min climbs.

    I've demoed both bikes a few times each and really enjoy both, no clear standout, but unfortunately have not taken the TBLT into the same terrain as the Bronson. In AB it seems like theres a lot of riders on both bikes but in BC it seems like theres less long travel 29ers.

    TBLT thoughts
    - Feel very confident with the bigger wheel in front, no endo or stuffing the front, even going off drops where I feel unsure on my HD
    - When jumping the TB I feel I can come into hits faster
    - Like the added stability even though wheelbase is an 1" shorter
    - Larger margin of error
    - Worried about effects of heavier tires
    - Generally quicker overall both up and down?
    - Like that rollover

    Bronson
    - Really like that water bottle and piggyback fits and shorter seat tube/standover
    - Slightly more revised linkage over TBLT???
    - This bike feels great too, more confidence inspiring than HD
    - In slow techy terrain the idea of a quicker wheel is nice where the heft on 29 worries me
    - 27 is subtle but doesn't feel that different than 26, less dropping into holes, slightly larger wheel out front feels good

    Anyway, just rambling, not the best at describing what I feel on a bike. First world problems. Can't go wrong either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robnow View Post
    - 27 is subtle but doesn't feel that different than 26, less dropping into holes, slightly larger wheel out front feels good
    This is the essence of it. AFter 6 years exclusively on niners, I took the plunge and bought 650. I ditched it after a week and went with the TB LTc. Love the LTc.

    My take on 650 is that you're either a 29er guy or a 26er guy. If you like 26, then 650 will feel great. If you like 29, 650 very well may leave you feeling "meh". I was underwhelmed.
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    Take this for what its worth since the Stumpy 29er and Bronson I have are the first two 'real' bikes I've owned. I have about 1300mi between them this season, more on the SJ than the Bronson, and another 200mi on a GT Sensor.

    The SJ is definitely faster all around. It was smoother over the rough but thats changing since I put a Pike on the Bronson and have a CC DB Air CS coming.

    I ride a small SJ and a small Bronson. Sizing on the Bronson is smaller than the small SJ and its noticeably easier to handle and flick around. Acceleration faster on the Bronson. I ran Nevegal F/R for most of this season but I recently changed the rear out to a Honey Badger and it sped the Bronson up SJ climbs better but its been losing that edge as I learn to work with the Bronson more.

    It might be because I'm only 5'6", but I also get the feeling that the Bronson is sized more right for me. Its an overall smaller bike so I'm not sure if its the wheelsize or the frame size thats making it feel that way. I just feel like I'm riding with the bike instead of riding on top of it.

    Bottom line is my SJ is a little faster but the Bronson is more fun, nearly as fast. If the CC DB Air works out like the Pike did I expect the Bronson will be a smoother ride than the 29er. If I had to keep one, it'd be the Bronson. It seems like the more I ride it and make small changes, the more it chips away at the advantages the SJ has over it.
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    one of my dealer friends said that there some changes brewing with Tallboy in upcoming month.. He could not say what exactly..

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