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    Carbon disbonding issues....

    So i am on my my second TRc frame after my first was warrantied due to the lower pivot attachment came disbonded. After about 100 miles on the new frame I can already tell the same thing in the same place is going to happen and I will require another warrantied frame. I've read the LTc TRc and the XCc all have this same issue in the same exact spot. I've also heard that this might have been fixed on the BronsonC. Anybody have these issues, and if so how many frames have you gone through? At this rate ill be replacing frame and/or rear triangle every 2-3 months!!!! Was this issue actually fixed on the BronsonC as well??? The frame is stronger than anything else I've ever ridden its just this one weak spot that is starting to drive me nuts!

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    Sounds like if it is a consistent issue there will probably be a fix in the pipeline from the OEM. A reputable mfg will work to rectify an engineering/production error even if it may take time to show up as a fix. Stay in contact with the company and you may be pleased with the results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by supersedona View Post
    Sounds like if it is a consistent issue there will probably be a fix in the pipeline from the OEM. A reputable mfg will work to rectify an engineering/production error even if it may take time to show up as a fix. Stay in contact with the company and you may be pleased with the results.
    Oh trust me I am, I love this bike and SC regardless of this issue. I'm just trying to understand how widespread this issue is as I've seen it on every carbon frame from 2010 on. The rest of the frame and carbon is impeccable and I have absolutely no complaints other than this one area.

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    Carbon disbonding issues....

    On my 2nd frame, a 2013 now, starting to get the same circle crack again. Haven't called Willie yet.

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    Hi,

    I am on my 3rd TRc swingarm the first was an 135mm (V1?) version, the second was an 142mm. This is in the space of 5/6 months. For my 3rd I was considering asking them for an alu version.

    It sucks because I love the bike but clearly there is an issue.

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    My friends NomadC also had the same circle crack in the rear triangle around the axle threads. Hopefully moving forward with the full carbon V10 and the Bronson it will be a non issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickShepherd View Post
    Hi,

    I am on my 3rd TRc swingarm the first was an 135mm (V1?) version, the second was an 142mm. This is in the space of 5/6 months. For my 3rd I was considering asking them for an alu version.

    It sucks because I love the bike but clearly there is an issue.
    I love the carbon but I can't keep having a down bike for 2 weeks every 3 months due to this issue. So from what I've read TRc, XCc, LTc, and NomadC all have the same issues? What about the BronsonC, was anything changed on the pivot point?
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    I'm on my first frame, a new 2012, it has just developed the crack after 6 months.

    I too hope that SC update their design here, a 5 year warranty means little when you're dealing with the hassle of changing bikes twice (or more) a year.

    It's a shame because the TRc feels absolutely bomber for trail riding, and I love it, but the niggle will always be there until the production is updated.

    Can anyone explain how they've changed the manufacturing for the Bronson?

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    Any images available of this fault discussed

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    Quote Originally Posted by craftworks View Post
    Any images available of this fault discussed
    +1.
    .Hoog just texted me and said it's "Surface area to G2 tangential force vector ratio optimization. "

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    Plenty of threads if you search here/google for "santa cruz" carbon crack circular/linkage etc

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    Is the actual place where the frame is cracking an area of great stress?

    Does the crack get bigger over the course of time or it just appears??

    My question would be: Could you potentially ride the frame for the rest of the season and then swap it when the season is done??

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    Carbon disbonding issues....

    Here's what the crack looks like:

    Carbon disbonding issues....-imageuploadedbytapatalk1368459228.009628.jpg

    That's from the frame that was warrantied. My 2013 frame isn't that bad yet.
    It's not a structural crack in the carbon layup. It's a dis/unbonding (as the thread title says) of the threaded metal insert for the lower pivot bolt and the carbon of the rear triangle.

    As far as the update on the Bronson frame - it's just something that was mentioned in the 4/1 press release. I'll find the quote in just a sec.

    Edit:
    Here's the bullet point from the press release:
    • Co-molded aluminum hardware on frame pivots: no bonding.

    I assumed that meant a fix to this issue.
    I mentioned it in the 4/1 thread and I think that's what people are referring to as the fix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoro View Post
    Is the actual place where the frame is cracking an area of great stress?

    Does the crack get bigger over the course of time or it just appears??

    My question would be: Could you potentially ride the frame for the rest of the season and then swap it when the season is done??

    Yes the crack does get worse over time. Although, I think you could ride it for quite a while with no adverse effects.

    As far as waiting for the end of the season - I'm in northern California and there is no "season". I'm lucky enough to ride all year long.

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    Here is my crack on my first 2012 frame which was replaced with a 2013 frame


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    Quote Originally Posted by mestapho View Post
    Here's what the crack looks like:

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    That's from the frame that was warrantied. My 2013 frame isn't that bad yet.
    It's not a structural crack in the carbon layup. It's a dis/unbonding (as the thread title says) of the threaded metal insert for the lower pivot bolt and the carbon of the rear triangle.

    As far as the update on the Bronson frame - it's just something that was mentioned in the 4/1 press release. I'll find the quote in just a sec.

    Edit:
    Here's the bullet point from the press release:
    • Co-molded aluminum hardware on frame pivots: no bonding.

    I assumed that meant a fix to this issue.
    I mentioned it in the 4/1 thread and I think that's what people are referring to as the fix.
    This is what I was referring to. I hope this fixes the issue and I really hope that the same method is used in the 2014 TRc when they do come out. I have a sneaky suspicion that I will end up with a 2014 frameset one day

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    Quote Originally Posted by mestapho View Post
    Here's what the crack looks like:

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    That's from the frame that was warrantied. My 2013 frame isn't that bad yet.
    It's not a structural crack in the carbon layup. It's a dis/unbonding (as the thread title says) of the threaded metal insert for the lower pivot bolt and the carbon of the rear triangle.

    As far as the update on the Bronson frame - it's just something that was mentioned in the 4/1 press release. I'll find the quote in just a sec.

    Edit:
    Here's the bullet point from the press release:
    • Co-molded aluminum hardware on frame pivots: no bonding.

    I assumed that meant a fix to this issue.
    I mentioned it in the 4/1 thread and I think that's what people are referring to as the fix.
    What do you suspect would happen if you carried on using the frame after this crack appeared? I've not taken one of these apart but I'm assuming from what you're saying that the metal insert would eventually lose any connection with the frame and it'd be impossible to tighten the bottom link, is that correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve.E View Post
    What do you suspect would happen if you carried on using the frame after this crack appeared? I've not taken one of these apart but I'm assuming from what you're saying that the metal insert would eventually lose any connection with the frame and it'd be impossible to tighten the bottom link, is that correct?
    That's what I think would happen, the whole thing would just spin freely with no connection to the rear triangle.

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    I had no idea this was an issue. Now you all have me worried. Guess I'll keep an eye on that area...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve.E View Post
    What do you suspect would happen if you carried on using the frame after this crack appeared? I've not taken one of these apart but I'm assuming from what you're saying that the metal insert would eventually lose any connection with the frame and it'd be impossible to tighten the bottom link, is that correct?
    I could feel mine going before I even saw the hairline crack. The back end started twisting under heavy effort and felt sloppy. I suspect this is what it would feel like if the pivot hardware was loose. Checked mine, rode it... still felt terrible. Probably about 2 rides later the crack was visible. I think before you got to the point you couldn't tighten it, you'd be pretty disappointed with the lack of stiffness in the lower link. If the insert is not circular, it might not spin, but it will still feel terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robsetsfire View Post
    I could feel mine going before I even saw the hairline crack. The back end started twisting under heavy effort and felt sloppy. I suspect this is what it would feel like if the pivot hardware was loose. Checked mine, rode it... still felt terrible. Probably about 2 rides later the crack was visible. I think before you got to the point you couldn't tighten it, you'd be pretty disappointed with the lack of stiffness in the lower link. If the insert is not circular, it might not spin, but it will still feel terrible.
    I completely agree with this statement especially if you ride pretty hard and kick the back end out often. If you just XC ride and take time enjoying the trails you should be fine with the crack but it will eventually require a warranty frame and/or rear triangle. But if you bomb the trails it should probably be replaced the first chance you get just in case. The good news is that SC warranty dept is spot on, just email them a photo or two of the crack and a copy of the purchase receipt and they will take care of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kubikeman View Post
    I had no idea this was an issue. Now you all have me worried. Guess I'll keep an eye on that area...
    I don't think you should be too worried, it won't self destruct on the trail by any means.

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    I thought this was a TRc issue. Is it also an issue with the TBc and TBLTc? I was hoping one would be my next bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMM View Post
    I thought this was a TRc issue. Is it also an issue with the TBc and TBLTc? I was hoping one would be my next bike.
    Don't let this thread deter you at all. The frames are rock solid, provide excellent stiffness and can be put through their paces without any hesitation. This issue isn't with the carbon it's with this one little insert and depending on how you ride some people have never had this issue . I ride my bike fairly aggressive and I expect that's why I see this issue, but it wouldn't stop me from buying another SC carbon bike, not for a second!

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    I wonder if SC is already working the update into the other models, delaying ship times? My TBLTc is taking a long time to arrive.

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    We can but wonder, it'd be nice to hear something directly from Santa Cruz on this matter, do any staff post in this forum? I don't recall ever seeing anything from them but I know some other manufacturers' staff do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by h20-50 View Post
    Don't let this thread deter you at all. The frames are rock solid, provide excellent stiffness and can be put through their paces without any hesitation.
    Except for when they break and you have to rely on SC's warranty service or if you are out of warranty buy a new rear triangle.

    This is the sort of failure [and of course falling uphill and cracking a seatstay!] that freaks people out about buying an expensive carbon MTB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Except for when they break and you have to rely on SC's warranty service or if you are out of warranty buy a new rear triangle.

    This is the sort of failure [and of course falling uphill and cracking a seatstay!] that freaks people out about buying an expensive carbon MTB.
    I see your point. SC's warranty is five years and as long as you're the original owner it's straight forward, no hassle replacement. They also have a lifetime crash warranty at minimal cost so if you're over five years you can use this. I don't know about you but if I get 5 full years on a bike I'm pretty stoked, investment well worth it! I ride here in Texas so I can ride year around, 5 years is A LOT of miles on my end....

    My purpose of this thread wasn't to deter anyone as I think SC is a top notch company who is willing to stand behind their product. I was just curious how many people have this issue and the frames that were effected.

    I'm sure the other members that have talked with Willie in the warranty dept as well can tell you that SC takes care of its customers and Willie is responsive to any concerns or questions you have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by h20-50 View Post
    I see your point. SC's warranty is five years and as long as you're the original owner it's straight forward, no hassle replacement. They also have a lifetime crash warranty at minimal cost so if you're over five years you can use this. I don't know about you but if I get 5 full years on a bike I'm pretty stoked, investment well worth it! I ride here in Texas so I can ride year around, 5 years is A LOT of miles on my end....
    My AL Nomad is it's 5th year and going strong I live in coastal BC so we ride year round. I could ride that bike another 5yrs if I wasn't just jonesing for something new. I probably will ride it another year or two before I get another ride. At which point I'll sell it or keep it as a spare bike for friends.

    If I had to start buying carbon rear triangles through the SC no fault replacement program it's still going to be $300-$400 a pop. And what if I want to sell my carbon SC bike after 2yrs? Who wants to pay much for it without access to a warranty or the no fault replacement program?

    I'm not anti-SC at all. I'm totally ready to spend another 5-7yrs on a new SC bike. But I think these are legit questions to ask before dropping $5K-$7K on a new ride.

    I read an interview in Decline Magazine where a sponsored Cannondale Enduro rider explained that he asked for an AL frame because he didn't think carbon was durable enough for him. That's a guy who gets free product.
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    I think this issue has a huge effect on purchasing regardless of their amazing carbon fiber. First it is the hassle of dealing with it, so why bother. Second, if you want to sell your bike who is going to buy it knowing this issue and that they are not covered under warranty. Hence its value has significantly dropped. So why pay $2700 for a frame that outside of warranty isn't worth very much. I had a TRc and purchased with the intent of keeping it, but in the end I wanted more bike so I sold it. I am glad I was able to do this before this issue came up, but I also feel bad for the guy I sold it to.

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    Does this pertain to all VPP carbon frames minus the Bronson or is it isolated frames. It would suck if this is inevitable regardless.

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    The Tallboy LTc has co-molded inserts as well, so this should not be an issue with that frame. (have been riding the *(&%%$ out of mine for about 6 months now)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlx john View Post
    The Tallboy LTc has co-molded inserts as well, so this should not be an issue with that frame. (have been riding the *(&%%$ out of mine for about 6 months now)
    What year is your TBLTc?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlx john View Post
    The Tallboy LTc has co-molded inserts as well, so this should not be an issue with that frame. (have been riding the *(&%%$ out of mine for about 6 months now)
    Thanks, good to know!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    . . . [and of course falling uphill and cracking a seatstay!] . . . .
    But dude, I totally stalled out on a rock, man!!



    That thread was great . . . that guy hasn't come back since!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    But dude, I totally stalled out on a rock, man!!



    That thread was great . . . that guy hasn't come back since!
    +1 - if I ever get and break a SC carbon frame I want to do it with style like that...
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    Doh! So sad. My Black/White/Orange frame is starting to get the crack at the same spot. Its not too bad yet so I'll probably wait a bit before contacting Santa Cruz. But I guess I'll be getting a new frame since that color rear triangle is no longer available? Too bad since I actually really liked that color scheme.

    Read another thread where someone was saying their warranty claim for the same crack on a tallboy was denied the second time around.
    Anyone else get their warranty claim denied?

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    Kind of bummed out with this issue. Most of the frames (all but two) use the same bonding technique i believe meaning all these frames even replacements will be susceptible to this? someone said only the bronson and the tallboy ltc use the new process that solves this issue. i just hate to be a year out of warranty and have to do a crash replacment.

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    I emailed Santa Cruz about this when the thread was started but have received no reply, very disappointing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve.E View Post
    I emailed Santa Cruz about this when the thread was started but have received no reply, very disappointing.
    You wouldn't happen to have access to one of these would you?

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    If you do, perhaps you could try that instead of sitting around passively . . . .
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    Re: Carbon disbonding issues....

    It can be very hard to reach SC over the phone sometimes. I would say I got their voicemail 9 times out of 10...


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    Quote Originally Posted by 007 View Post
    You wouldn't happen to have access to one of these would you?

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    If you do, perhaps you could try that instead of sitting around passively . . . .
    Sending them an email is being proactive. I think you're misunderstanding the term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve.E View Post
    Sending them an email is being proactive. I think you're misunderstanding the term.
    Wait . . . . sending out an email and waiting around for 2 weeks for them to get back to you is being proactive

    Maybe I'm old fashioned, but if there's something in this world that I want, I'm not about to just sit there hoping it will appear . . . .
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    Most people don't have time to chase a company about a problem they should be addressing in the first place. If a company has email support then they should use it, don't you agree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve.E View Post
    Most people don't have time to chase a company about a problem they should be addressing in the first place. If a company has email support then they should use it, don't you agree?
    I agree, BUT my only experience getting something from SC under the no fault replacement program required at least 4-6 phone calls and loads of emails.

    I was taken care of - eventually - but it req'd a lot of persistence.

    And I was paying in this instance.

    It seems to me the warranty/CS department is understaffed for their workload.

    To their credit they did get me sorted and back on the bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I agree, BUT my only experience getting something from SC under the no fault replacement program required at least 4-6 phone calls and loads of emails.

    I was taken care of - eventually - but it req'd a lot of persistence.

    And I was paying in this instance.

    It seems to me the warranty/CS department is understaffed for their workload.

    To their credit they did get me sorted and back on the bike.

    Over the years, have had to warranty 2 frames....each time I was responded to via email within a day or 2.....and my replacement parts were on my doorstep within 4-5 days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikej View Post
    Over the years, have had to warranty 2 frames....each time I was responded to via email within a day or 2.....and my replacement parts were on my doorstep within 4-5 days.
    I wish.

    I was driving to Baja from Canada so I let them know I'd be dropping the frame off and grabbing the new one on a specific day/time. They said that was cool, but failed to mention it was a holiday and they'd closed.

    LOL

    So I finally just mailed the frame off to them before I crossed into Mexico.

    Got an email a few days later [a month plus into the process] saying here is your RMA# put it on the box. I wrote them back and said that ship had already sailed.

    Luckily I had 2 more months to deal with them before I headed north through a friend's place in LA who rec'd and stored the frame for me.

    My LBS in Canada would have helped me out, except the $250 frame in the US would have been over $500 in Canada.

    I'm sure SC will look after something that's wrong, but I wouldn't assume it will be fast or that something is going on unless you are getting feedback from them that they are on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve.E View Post
    Most people don't have time to chase a company about a problem they should be addressing in the first place. If a company has email support then they should use it, don't you agree?
    Of course, and I prefer email as well . . . but c'mon man . . . you don't hear anything after 2 weeks and you continue to wait? I give a company 2 business days to respond after an email and if I get nothing in return, I'm on the phone. Maybe I'm impatient . . . maybe I'm persistent, but all I know is that I am not willing to sit around for 2 weeks waiting for someone to email me back.
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    Why are you two going on and on about whether email is proactive or not? Nobody cares... take it to PM.

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    Well mine cracked disbonded after less than 3 months of riding. 2012 orange and black frame. Puzzling issue for sure. I mean *uck, less than 3 months, 30 rides. I ride fairly aggressively, but by no means am I hucking the thing off cliffs or the like...

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