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    Bronson sizing L vs XL

    I own an aluminum Bronson in size L. I like it quite a lot, but it's my first SC bike and the sizing is a touch weird.

    I'm 6'2 with long legs and monkey ams. I ride L in most manufacturers and tend to prefer sizing just slightly smaller vs larger given the technical rock-crawly nature of the riding I do in Arizona.

    However, the size L Bronson is ever-so-slightly too small even with a 70mm stem.

    And I want carbon for some reason.

    I have the opportunity to order an XL carbon Bronson without a shock (which is what I want) for a fantastic price. I'll run it with a 50mm stem, but I'm concerned I'll find it too big. I won't have the opportunity to test-fit first.

    Anyone been in a similar boat? Appreciate any insight.

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    If its that good of a deal, I'm sure you could turn around and sell it if its too big.

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    That won't be too big for you - Get the XL frame, That's the right size for you in my opinion. I'm 5'11, average proprtions and I wouldn't want to fit anyone much bigger than myself on a size L Bronson. I own a size L Bronson in Aluminum myself.

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    I am 6 2 with monkey like proportions, could not imagine riding my Bronson in anything but XL

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    I am 6'4" and Santa Cruz decided they weren't interested in making a Bronson for people of above average height. Their XL is really an L.

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    Thanks. Carbon XL order placed.

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    Did you get the frame yet? I'm in the same boat, 6'2" with the same monkey proportions. Was the XL a fit?

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    Still awaiting delivery.

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    XL with a 60mm stem should be fine

    ps, nice bike!

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    I'm in the same boat. Am 6"1 with monkey arms and a 34" inseam. Currently own a TBLTc in Large with 140mm float 34, 75mm stem stacked on 20mm spacers. Getting lower back aches from riding after 5 miles.

    Am wondering if i should have gotten a XL frame instead or if there's something wrong with me.

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    I am 6-2"~3" and have an XL Bronson, my legs are longer than my arms too. Actually have not rode mine yet (waiting on tires) but demo'd multiple XL bronson's with 50mm stems and XL solo's for a couple days. I also rode a Large Solo for a 27mi trip one day also. It had a 70mm stem on it... The owner was around 5-10"-6'. It felt small for me even with the 70mm stem.

    I got an XL, I'd day if you are under 6' probably look more towards a L and over that look XL and above. I think there are a lot of places that state SC sizing is a little small. Their L is somewhere between most others med and larges. It's all feel really. At the demo day I told them I was looking for a bronson and they said I hope you are looking to ride an XL size.

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    I am a lanky and long torso 6' with a 33" inseam. I run an XL Bronson with a 60mm stem.

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    ya you're XL all the way, interested to see how you think it feels in the handling department with a shorter stem/larger frame, v the smaller frame/longer stem

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    Blatant, did you ever get the XL set up? Please give us monkey armed 6-2ers a report

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    I'm the same, 6'2" and lanky, running an XL BronsonC since last year. Love it, would definitely not go smaller. 50-60mm stem works great. I also had the 150mm Float fork upped to 160 and have been loving that mod.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blatant View Post
    I have the opportunity to order an XL carbon Bronson without a shock (which is what I want) for a fantastic price. I'll run it with a 50mm stem, but I'm concerned I'll find it too big. I won't have the opportunity to test-fit first.
    I've gone back and forth on sizing with my Nomad. Even so far as to swap front triangles to go from a XL to L. Bottomline I can ride both sizes just fine. I prefer the fit on the XL a bit more, but I prefer the shorter wheelbase on the L better due to my tight forest trails.

    I would go for it.
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    Sorry about that. Yes, I've been on the XL Bronson-C for several months. Incredible bike. After owning the metal version in size L, there is no question that XL is the proper size for me. I run a 50mm stem with 31-inch bars. Dead-on perfect.

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    I just finally got mine put together and have had some decent weather this week so have a ride scheduled for tomorrow. I'm 6-2", with slightly shorter arms compared to my legs, XL Bronson C with a 50mm stem with 750mm bars. Hoping I don't have to switch stems out to a 70mm one after tomorrows ride.

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    Thanks Boys, appreciate the reports...got a alu (metal! \m/) XL with a LEV dropper and 60x750 stem/bars on the way, will let ya guys know how she rolls after a couple good gallops

    Cheers!

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    What size stems are you all using? with evenly proportioned arms/torso?

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    Apologies for slack, not very familiar with this site, and its a bit hard for a computer tard like me to navigate

    Anyway, XL bronson is a dream! couldn't imagine riding anything smaller after giving it the gallops in all kinds of terrain...climbs very well (locked out on smooth granny steeps, trail or full on rougher techy stuff), decends like a champ... super responsive, yet very stable/forgiving as well

    FWIW, talked to Cedric Gracia a bit before ordering, and he runs both Large and XL, depending on the track type...XL for anything super high speed, L for 'whippy' decents...figuring as how his decending capabilities and action far surpass my own, with climbing of secondary importance, I gathered from his insight that the XL would be the best fit for myself

    BTW, did shorten stem down to 50mm after messing around and adjusting stack height before cutting steer tube

    Hope this helps any 6-2ers out there wondering about which size "Bro Son" to go for...likewise, thank YOU all for your reports on your own experiences with such; it was a big help to me, not being able to demo anything, and thus going in blind, so to speak

    So thanks and Cheers!

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    Just want to also chime in here and say the XL is a perfect fit at 6'1.5''...

    I was not able to size one in person and I went off everything I read here and was very happy that I took the risk and went with the XL!

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    i'm 6'2" , i ride a L. it's great when the going gets downhill and technical or if you wanna be playful. on long climbs or hammerfest sections, the longer fit of the XL would be better.

    next SC will be XL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chillindrdude View Post
    i'm 6'2" , i ride a L. it's great when the going gets downhill and technical or if you wanna be playful. on long climbs or hammerfest sections, the longer fit of the XL would be better.

    next SC will be XL.
    What size stem are you running?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ross86 View Post
    What size stem are you running?
    Raceface Turbine 60mm stem

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    I'm 6' even with a 32" inseam, longish arms. I have a L Bronson C and it feels small to me - when I stand up it feels like I'm going out over the front wheel. I mentioned putting a longer stem on it (not sure what's on there now - it's stock, looks small, any idea what SC specs for a standard large Bronson frame?), and my local shop basically said that's a bad idea, the Bronson should have a short stem. They also said that at 6' I'm correctly sized on a large. But as it is, the bike just feels a bit too small for me. Any thoughts?

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    Set up and cockpit preference (and bike size) can be influenced by where and how your ride.

    In some scenarios you could run a L, that is a given. From your conveyed feel above, I reckon the optimum set up for you would be an XL with a short stem - you would/could hum on that. Your LBS is partially right, a shorter rather than longer stem is better on a Bronson. If you can run it. It certainly allows you to unleash the Bronson beast a little more.

    As far as size choice is concerned, you are in the suggested size range for the bike - a hard technicality for you to escape. The problem that no LBS will admit to is that's only a guide and it is a narrow view and a view based on some basic riding parameters - it's an old sizing method that the industry has maintained - they use these parameters for a steep XC bike and a slack trail bike - it can't be entirely right and encompass all riding styles/terrains and bike capabilities.

    To be fair, it is hard to give an easy guide for all permutations as well. But if you are an aggressive rider on a capable bike like a Bronson, then sizing up to fit a short stem is a genuine option for you to weigh up and consider. Each option has it's draw backs, you have spoken of the L drawbacks for you above, for example. I suspect an XL would have more pay off for you - it does for me and I am only 5'11"

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    Bronson L/XL sizing

    Quote Originally Posted by Jkon View Post
    I'm 6' even with a 32" inseam, longish arms. I have a L Bronson C and it feels small to me - when I stand up it feels like I'm going out over the front wheel. I mentioned putting a longer stem on it (not sure what's on there now - it's stock, looks small, any idea what SC specs for a standard large Bronson frame?), and my local shop basically said that's a bad idea, the Bronson should have a short stem. They also said that at 6' I'm correctly sized on a large. But as it is, the bike just feels a bit too small for me. Any thoughts?

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    I have same problem. I am 6'1/2 with 33.5 inseam. I had L size Heckler 2014 which is same geometry like Bronson. I felt it was just a little too small. With 70 mm stem and seat taken back the reach felt good but I felt a bit unstable and set on the bike, not in the bike. I also got this flying over the bars feeling. Now I switched to XL Bronson frame. It's way more stable and I feel more in the bike rather then on the bike. BUT now I can't adjust to convenient position. I tried 50 mm stem, it didn't feel good. 60 mm stem with 10 degrees rise felt better, but even with the seat moved forward and bars turned backwards the position is not good. My L Hecklers setup was 70 mm stem, 40 mm rings and 1 1/2 (38 mm) raise bars. Seat was moved back. The reach and angles felt good but total feeling was a bit funny and a bit unstable.
    do you think XL is too large and I should get back to L or should I struggle more with XL stem/seat/bars height ?

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    if anyone has a XL Bronson C and wanna goto a Bronson C in L, i'm your man for a trade.

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    I'm 6'3 and went for the XL. Haven't got it yet so only time will tell, but I think I've made the right decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeevolf View Post
    Hi
    do you think XL is too large and I should get back to L or should I struggle more with XL stem/seat/bars height ?
    I believe you'll be fine with XL!
    I'm 6.1, rode before Heckler in L with 90mm stem, now I'm also on SC bike on XL frame (same TT as Bronson) with 60mm stem and it is great!
    I tried 50mm stem but it seemed uncomfortable on road and uphills...

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    Hi Guys!

    I recently demoed Talboy LT XXL, XL and Bronson Xl at demo center in Santa Cruz. I really liked how XXL tallboy felt - it seemed perfectly balanced. Bronson XL at the time surprisingly felt good but not as perfect as XXL tallboy

    I just bought a Aluminum XL Bronson (great price on a closeout) and riding around in the parking lot noticed that my hands get tired very fast, it seems like I'm sliding back on the saddle to relieve upper body weight on hands / alleviate that tiredness in the hands..

    I'm 6'2", 36 inseam. I ride and raced in cat3 here in Socal Cannondale 60cm road frame for 10 years, then I rented a 61cm Scott road bike in Hawaii to ride up to Haleakala and realized that 61cm was my perfect size for a road frame..


    Is hands getting tired and sliding backward on a saddle a sign that XL Bronson frame is too small?


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    I don't think XL Bronson can be small for you. Try to adjust it by right positioning of saddle, stem length, and handle bar height. It took me a while till I got my Bronson L dialed. But I am just between L and XL. Should be easier for you because XL Bronson is exactly within your size.

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    Hi Guys!

    I recently demoed Talboy LT XXL, XL and Bronson Xl at demo center in Santa Cruz. I really liked how XXL tallboy felt - it seemed perfectly balanced. Bronson XL at the time surprisingly felt good but not as perfect as XXL tallboy

    I just bought a Aluminum XL Bronson (great price on a closeout) and riding around in the parking lot noticed that my hands get tired very fast, it seems like I'm sliding back on the saddle to relieve upper body weight on hands / alleviate that tiredness in the hands..

    I'm 6'2", 36 inseam. I ride and raced in cat3 here in Socal Cannondale 60cm road frame for 10 years, then I rented a 61cm Scott road bike in Hawaii to ride up to Haleakala and realized that 61cm was my perfect size for a road frame..


    Is hands getting tired and sliding backward on a saddle a sign that XL Bronson frame is too small?


    Alex

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    Thank you Zee for the answer!


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    Quote Originally Posted by pavlov0032 View Post
    Hi Guys!

    I recently demoed Talboy LT XXL, XL and Bronson Xl at demo center in Santa Cruz. I really liked how XXL tallboy felt - it seemed perfectly balanced. Bronson XL at the time surprisingly felt good but not as perfect as XXL tallboy

    I just bought a Aluminum XL Bronson (great price on a closeout) and riding around in the parking lot noticed that my hands get tired very fast, it seems like I'm sliding back on the saddle to relieve upper body weight on hands / alleviate that tiredness in the hands..

    I'm 6'2", 36 inseam. I ride and raced in cat3 here in Socal Cannondale 60cm road frame for 10 years, then I rented a 61cm Scott road bike in Hawaii to ride up to Haleakala and realized that 61cm was my perfect size for a road frame..


    Is hands getting tired and sliding backward on a saddle a sign that XL Bronson frame is too small?


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    Sounds like you may not have the saddle + bars set in the optimal position for you.
    Are the bars at saddle height or are they several inches below the saddle?
    Is the saddle set level/slightly nose up or is the nose pointing slightly down.
    A few degrees change in the angle of the saddle can take a lot of weight off of your hands if the saddle and bars are set close in height.
    Most riders seem to be comfortable with bars at saddle height or just an inch or 2 lower.
    With a 36" inseam, it can be a challenge trying to get bars at the optimal height for comfort.

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    Hi!

    This is the current setup with me sitting on the saddle and my heel with full leg extended on the pedal

    Bronson sizing L vs XL-20150117_071030.jpg

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    Looks like bars and saddle are pretty close in height, so that is good.
    Try tilting the nose of the saddle up just a few degrees.
    It's difficult to tell in the picture, but the stem looks long.
    You can ride whatever stem length you prefer, but Bronsons do really well with 40-70mm stems.
    Shorter stem can help with optimal weight distribution on the bike and put you slightly more upright which can really help with the weight on the hands issue.
    As stem length decreases, bar height typically drops a bit. Adding spacers below the new stem going to higher rise bars can be required to maintain bar height.

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    this is the current stem center to center 80mm, will try to adjust the saddle like you suggested..Thank you again for your input
    Bronson sizing L vs XL-20150117_095016.jpg

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    OP may try going to some wider bars. 740 is on the narrow side.

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    Going with 785 race face SIXC bars (compared to your stock 740) would allow you to drop down to a 55-60mm stem and keep th same cockpit length.

    They would also dampen the feel of the ride. Having ridden wide AL bars back to back with wide carbon bars, carbon wins every time. The ride "feels" smoother over choppy terrain.
    I like 'em low, long, slack and playful

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    If you're on a budget, the 747mm and 777mm On-One Knuckleball is the best deal going for a wide carbon bar. $80-85 shipped.

    I do feel it is a touch stiffer and gives up a touch of dampening to afforementioned Race Face SIXC and the Renthal Fat Bar Lite carbon.

    I currently own all three of those, so the comparisons are pretty direct
    I like 'em low, long, slack and playful

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    So I went to a steep 1/4 mile asphalt hill and to see if I'm gonna slide off the seat backwards while pedaling and was playing with adjusting spacers and bar height, and it seemed I found an angle to relieve "weight on the hands issue", I found position where I can sit relatively straight on the saddle.

    As far as the issue about sitting on the very back of the saddle and almost sliding off the saddle while pedaling up steep hill in medium gear (when I had to push the pedal vs just rotating it in granny gear) I still cannot figure it out.. It feels like I wished the frame top tube was 1 inch longer so the angle of pushing the pedal would not slide me backward on the saddle..

    Now about carbon bars and getting longer bars, thank you for the advise!

    you guys trust carbon bars for strength? I'm always afraid its gonna snap going down hill..that's one of the reasons I got aluminum frame.. Thank you for replies about bar le

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    Quote Originally Posted by pavlov0032 View Post
    you guys trust carbon bars for strength? I'm always afraid its gonna snap going down hill..that's one of the reasons I got aluminum frame.. Thank you for replies about bar le
    I used to be that way too. Stick with name brands if you're worried. The Renthal carbon bars went through lots of strength testing... Good piece of mind with those bars.

    I run a 785 race face SIXC on my Bronson, 777mm On-One Knuckleball carbon on my Mason and put Easton EC70 bars on my wife's bike. I'm sold on carbon bars!
    I like 'em low, long, slack and playful

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    Renthal is amazing.

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    So I made a spreadsheet Comparing Bronson XL to Tallboy XL, Tallboy XL lt, Tallboy XXL and Tallboy XXL Ltc

    it clearly shows that Bronson XL is the smallest of all XL by about 23 mm in both Top tube length and Difference between top tube and real (basically how far from the center of bottom bracket is your saddle)

    No wonder with 36 inseam I'm sliding off the saddle

    Bronson sizing L vs XL-00000256.jpg


    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

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    Not sure I follow there... Your chart shows that the reach of an XL Bronson is longer than that of an XL TB or XL TBLT

    Reach is more important to frame fit than ETT.
    I like 'em low, long, slack and playful

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    Quote Originally Posted by 06HokieMTB View Post
    Not sure I follow there... Your chart shows that the reach of an XL Bronson is longer than that of an XL TB or XL TBLT

    Reach is more important to frame fit than ETT.
    I took info from website geometry

    Santa Cruz Bronson

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    Quote Originally Posted by pavlov0032 View Post
    I took info from website geometry

    Santa Cruz Bronson
    I understand where you got the geometry, but thanks for confirming.

    Let's compare the TBLT to the Bronson.

    The reach of the XL Bronson is 448mm
    The reach of the XL TBLT is 437mm
    The reach of the XXL TBLT is 457mm

    That means that the frame reach (and fit) of an XL Bronson will fit halfway between an XL and an XXL TBLT.

    EDIT: That's why I'm confused... the XL Bronson has a longer reach than an XL TB and XL TBLT... mean it's the largest XL of the 3 Santa Cruz bikes that you're comparing?

    Same when comparing my TBa to my Bronson. Both size large, both have 24" ETT's... but the Bronson has a frame reach of 428mm (16.85") vs my TBa's frame reach of 416mm (16.37").

    That difference in reach is why I'm selling my TBa. I should be on an XL.

    I would prefer my Bronson to have a reach of 17-17.25" (432-435mm), but didn't want to size up to an XL Bronson's frame reach of 448mm (17.64"), so I went with a large and a 60mm stem (would prefer a 50-55mm stem).
    I like 'em low, long, slack and playful

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    Quote Originally Posted by 06HokieMTB View Post
    I understand where you got the geometry, but thanks for confirming.

    Let's compare the TBLT to the Bronson.

    The reach of the XL Bronson is 448mm
    The reach of the XL TBLT is 437mm
    The reach of the XXL TBLT is 457mm

    That means that the frame reach (and fit) of an XL Bronson will fit halfway between an XL and an XXL TBLT.

    EDIT: That's why I'm confused... the XL Bronson has a longer reach than an XL TB and XL TBLT... mean it's the largest XL of the 3 Santa Cruz bikes that you're comparing?

    Same when comparing my TBa to my Bronson. Both size large, both have 24" ETT's... but the Bronson has a frame reach of 428mm (16.85") vs my TBa's frame reach of 416mm (16.37").

    That difference in reach is why I'm selling my TBa. I should be on an XL.

    I would prefer my Bronson to have a reach of 17-17.25" (432-435mm), but didn't want to size up to an XL Bronson's frame reach of 448mm (17.64"), so I went with a large and a 60mm stem (would prefer a 50-55mm stem).

    Maybe its a website error about Bronson reach?

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    The differences in geometry are relative to purpose. More forward weight bias for a bike meant for going uphill, more rearward weight bias for a bike meant for downhill(in this case AM/Trail).

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