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    Blur: XC vs. LT2

    After reading threads on this board, I'm giving getting an XC over the LT2 second thoughts. However, I'm still have some things to work out before making a purchase.

    I don't race anymore, but used to a lot (catII road/elite mtb). I'm riding about a 10yr old litespeed obed hardtail w/xtr with a manitou mach 5 front shock. I like riding stretched out and want to go with an FS bike (back injury..).

    My concern is losing as much time on the technical rocky dh's as I can make up on the climbs and tricky single track. Therefore, If I get the lt2 will I be disappointed with it's handling, accelerating out of corners, and climbing compared to the xc? I'm trying to figure out this equation: improved dh vs. loss in handling/acceleration/climbing by going with the LT2? When I look at it this way it appears to give the opposite result of the other threads here posting similar questions...

    IOW, I don't want to give up agility for dh comfort. Relatively speaking, technical dh's make up a small part of my riding. I don't know which way to go; XC or LT2. Help me decide.

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    I would go with the LT2.I have never ridden a XC but i got off of a 2008 Epic S-Works(climbing machine) onto my LT2 about 6 weeks ago and will never look back.To me the bike is a complete package.I thought about building a XC for the cross country races but the more time i spend on my LT2 the more i think that is not going to happen.

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    Just buy the lt2 i did sorry i have no experience on either but the lt2 seems to have it all. Just my 2 cents

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    I just won a local expert race on my LT2. Trust me, you won't be wanting for anything more than that bike. It f'n flies. I thought about building a race bike. The last time I raced on it, I said hell no to the race bike. After this race, the deal was sealed. I just switch out wheels(I9 Enduros/UST Fat Alberts) for Crossmax ST/Racing Ralph 2.25s and call it good. The bike is a weapon no matter how it is built or where it is ridden. I am still scratching my head at the thought that I can feel comfy on this bike doing damn near anything...epics...all mountain...races...24hour races...
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    weeeerrrd what he said

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    Quote Originally Posted by indyfab25
    I just won a local expert race on my LT2. Trust me, you won't be wanting for anything more than that bike. It f'n flies. I thought about building a race bike. The last time I raced on it, I said hell no to the race bike. After this race, the deal was sealed. I just switch out wheels(I9 Enduros/UST Fat Alberts) for Crossmax ST/Racing Ralph 2.25s and call it good. The bike is a weapon no matter how it is built or where it is ridden. I am still scratching my head at the thought that I can feel comfy on this bike doing damn near anything...epics...all mountain...races...24hour races...
    What kind of fork are you running for your race?

    With a Van36 upfront, even with compression almost fully locked, I still find climbing not as good as some of the other bikes I had before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loll
    What kind of fork are you running for your race?

    With a Van36 upfront, even with compression almost fully locked, I still find climbing not as good as some of the other bikes I had before.
    I am using a 09 Revelation 140 with Poploc Adjust. No problems climbing. Plush and the compression is awesome. I try to set it firm with a great blowoff so it is doesn't feel too firm. I use the Poploc a bunch. I never really thought I would. I never used U Turn on my Pike so I chose not to go with it.
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    If you are coming off a Ti hardtail, the xc will ease the transition. You are still getting 4" of front and rear travel, right? You are going to climb different on fs vs a hardtail and will be staying in the "cockpit" more and spinning, even moreso on the LT2 vs XC. My Blur LT2 is a bit more "up right" in geometry as I have adjusted mine to compromise it vs the Classic I was riding.

    I have had 2 partly crushed lumbar vertebrae for 25 years and the Blur saved my riding as I was on a more active suspension fs bike and my back just couldn't handle it anymore.
    VPP has kept me riding comfortable for 5 years and going.

    Maybe it depends on where and how you are going to ride from now on. Do you want to race and be competitive or do you want some more comfort and are willing to give up some speed and start exploring some new riding?

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    I have a BLT1 and use it as my XC race bike and as my trail bike, that being said I have it set up fairly light (for an XL) and I am using the Fox F120RLC front fork on it to steepen the head angle slightly and to lose the weight of bigger forks.

    I essentially built an XL version of the Blur XC (Since they don't make one) - the Blur XC is 100mm F/115mm R and my Blur LT1 is 120mm F/135mm R. My bike climbs like a dream and the geometry is spot on for the way I ride it. I have won a few sport class races this year using this bike (just started racing this year).

    That being said I think it depends on what you plan to ride with it, bigger drops and more tech stuff than go for the BLT1, fast flowing single track than go with the BXC. I would have gone with the Blur XC if they made one in my size, but with the right components and fork you can make the BLT into a killer XC machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pakdoc
    I have had 2 partly crushed lumbar vertebrae for 25 years and the Blur saved my riding as I was on a more active suspension fs bike and my back just couldn't handle it anymore.
    VPP has kept me riding comfortable for 5 years and going.

    Maybe it depends on where and how you are going to ride from now on. Do you want to race and be competitive or do you want some more comfort and are willing to give up some speed and start exploring some new riding?
    For me, long steep climbs on my road bike kill my back. You usually don't get this long sustained effort while mtb'ing however. When I mtb, it's the l technical/rocky descents were I'm out of the saddle and bent over that kill my back. One reason I'm looking at a fs; so I can spend more time seated.

    How I'm going to ride is the confusing question. I don't really plan on racing, but a few may crop up Riding with the AM/non-racer folks, honestly and generally speaking, I find most of them slow. There are plenty of very rocky areas by me and I keep up, if not go faster, just fine. With a hard tail speed and momentum are more your friend. IOW, I often can't ride as slow as they do on my hard tail! Occasionally they'll find something I won't ride, but not often.

    Conversely, I can still keep up with most of the racers my age (40+) even though I don't train anymore. Especially when the road goes up and fast windy single track. However, I would like something more relaxed than a pure XC bike!

    Maybe what I really want is something in between the xc/lt2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nm_gunslinger
    For me, long steep climbs on my road bike kill my back. You usually don't get this long sustained effort while mtb'ing however. When I mtb, it's the l technical/rocky descents were I'm out of the saddle and bent over that kill my back. One reason I'm looking at a fs; so I can spend more time seated.

    How I'm going to ride is the confusing question. I don't really plan on racing, but a few may crop up Riding with the AM/non-racer folks, honestly and generally speaking, I find most of them slow. There are plenty of very rocky areas by me and I keep up, if not go faster, just fine. With a hard tail speed and momentum are more your friend. IOW, I often can't ride as slow as they do on my hard tail! Occasionally they'll find something I won't ride, but not often.

    Conversely, I can still keep up with most of the racers my age (40+) even though I don't train anymore. Especially when the road goes up and fast windy single track. However, I would like something more relaxed than a pure XC bike!

    Maybe what I really want is something in between the xc/lt2?
    You just need the lt2 with light setup imo. I originaly come from pure xc racing and this really is one of better climbing fs bikes i know. It's not like Spark or Epic but it is far more versatile.
    btw, you'll like the more relaxed geo for your back (i believe a question if you've got your geo setup done correctly is out of place considering your background).
    I realy changed my position to more relaxed in a few last years and will never go back - no pain in the back.

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    The BLT2 is the definition of momentum in my opinion. It handles like a champ, blasts out of the corners, and climbs like a goat. As Indy stated it can also be a race bike. People will be wondering what blew by them when you leave them in the dust. You WILL NOT regret getting it. Just my opinion though.

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    The BLT2 is pretty gosh darned amazing at climbing...and decending. If you build it with light bits it should be a more advanced version of the XC.

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    Unless SC has fixed the ground clearance/pedal slamming issues with BOTH the classic and XC, stick with the LT.........

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    It's interesting how "bad" the XC fairs in this board and that not a single post liked it. Or is it that no one has directly tested both? I don't get it Is it really that bad? Other pure XC bikes, for example, the Anthem rate well on the Giant forums and the XC racing forum.

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    I love my XC

    I am not sure why the XC gets a bad rap while people love the SL. I have owned a SL. I replaced it with the original Blur which I thought was way better. The maintainance took about one hour each year. No big deal. Recently I bought an XC frame at a great price. I can't believe how much better the XC is compared to the SL or original Blur. It is extremely well balanced when climbing. I can make way tighter turns. The down hill is better too but that may be the lower standover height allowing me to get a bigger front tire. I don't take big jumps. If you do, obviiously the XC is not for you. My feelings are that I need to get up the hill to enjoy the down hill and the XC gets me up better than anyother SC model.

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    BXC bad rep

    Now I would never say a bad word about the BXC. It climbs way better than my LT1 did (unless the uphill is realy rough and rocky). It descents very good for an xc bike but far from what the LT1 can do.
    But the improvement both uphill and downhill that's made on the LT2 makes me wonder if I could be quicker up there with the simmilarly set BXC. And makes me sure I would be far quicker there and back on the LT2. Even when it's indeed a pound heavier with same build and has higher front. No noticable kickback, linear feel on rear end, a lot less maintaince (ok, the LT1 had more issues here than the BXC)
    I wouldn't hesitate a second having ridden all three (BXC only for a week, LT1 for 16mnths, LT2 for 5mnths)

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    I don't think anybody has many negative things to say about the BXC. It's just that the BLT2 has made a huge impression on everyone who has ridden it. I thought about aquiring the BXC before I rode the new LT2. I guess the WOW factor was just a little higher for the LT2 than the BXC. I certainly wouldn't call it a bad bike, though.

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    Have a BLT2 and not ridden the BXC but love the BLT2 and will be starting both endurance racing and XC racing with it this fall and winter. I think the bike will not be the weak link at all but rather me.

    One thing that would make me hesitate about the BXC is that it is obviously at some point in time will be redesigned with the new linkage the LT2 has. I just could not see myself buying something which I know will be much improved in the next couple of years or so.

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    If anything, the bad rep comes from the pigeon holing of the new(xc) model. It appears to be a race only or racer type ride only bike. Versatility is where the BLT2 shines. To add to my backing of the versatility of the BLT2, I did another race on it yesterday. It was a 12 hour deal where I posted the 1st and 3rd fastest laps(over pros in attendance) on my LT2. I haven't thrown a leg over the XC as of yet, but something tells me that the super quick handling wouldn't be as good --for me-- at speed. There were more than a few people looking at my bike and scratching their heads wondering how the hell the fastest lap was done on an "all mountain" bike with 5.5" inches of travel. It is a category bender for sure. The added weight doesn't matter, at all. Quite simply, the bike is a rocket, an absolute rocket. I guess what I am saying is, you don't give up anything performance wise going with it over an xc. That added versatility is a benefit that would be missed on the xc if you chose to go in that direction. Gnarly downhills are a dream on this bike. I do not think so much of the xc. From the sounds of it, the LT2 is right up your alley.
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    Love my XC.

    Quote Originally Posted by nm_gunslinger
    It's interesting how "bad" the XC fairs in this board and that not a single post liked it. Or is it that no one has directly tested both? I don't get it Is it really that bad? Other pure XC bikes, for example, the Anthem rate well on the Giant forums and the XC racing forum.
    I absolutely love my XC. Nothing else I've ridden even comes close for the type of riding I like to do (flowing trails, technical steeps, and technical downhills). When I get onto a rocky, rooty, technical downhill single track section, I burn everyone who tries to stay with me on longer travel bikes. On hard uphill sections it's the same story. It suits the old 'road racer' that still lives inside me, but if I was the type of rider who prefers freeriding and big drops, then obviously the XC would not be the right choice.

    Regarding comparisons to the Superlight, I had the chance to ride a buddy's SL last weekend and do a head to head comparison. We would ride a tough technical climb or downhill, and then ride back, switch bikes, and try it again. We both agreed we liked the Blur XC better. The VPP suspension made climbing easier, and it flowed much better on the twisty, rocky singletrack and downhills. From what I gather from this board, however, a lot of people prefer the SL because they think the pivots are more reliable or that they think the XC is a pure race bike, but I've never had an inkling of a problem with my XC ('07 model) and it does everything I need it to do (I'm not out taking big hits on it). I can't say enough good things about the bike.

    If I had one complaint about the XC, it's that the bottom bracket clearance could be better. I find on rocky sections that I'm often hitting my cranks if I'm pedaling through, and recently broke both of my Crankbrothers 4ti pedals on rocks (fortunately they repaired them, no questions asked). Now I'm sticking to XTR pedals for day to day use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrentP
    I absolutely love my XC. Nothing else I've ridden even comes close for the type of riding I like to do (flowing trails, technical steeps, and technical downhills). When I get onto a rocky, rooty, technical downhill single track section, I burn everyone who tries to stay with me on longer travel bikes. On hard uphill sections it's the same story. It suits the old 'road racer' that still lives inside me, but if I was the type of rider who prefers freeriding and big drops, then obviously the XC would not be the right choice.

    Regarding comparisons to the Superlight, I had the chance to ride a buddy's SL last weekend and do a head to head comparison. We would ride a tough technical climb or downhill, and then ride back, switch bikes, and try it again. We both agreed we liked the Blur XC better. The VPP suspension made climbing easier, and it flowed much better on the twisty, rocky singletrack and downhills. From what I gather from this board, however, a lot of people prefer the SL because they think the pivots are more reliable or that they think the XC is a pure race bike, but I've never had an inkling of a problem with my XC ('07 model) and it does everything I need it to do (I'm not out taking big hits on it). I can't say enough good things about the bike.

    If I had one complaint about the XC, it's that the bottom bracket clearance could be better. I find on rocky sections that I'm often hitting my cranks if I'm pedaling through, and recently broke both of my Crankbrothers 4ti pedals on rocks (fortunately they repaired them, no questions asked). Now I'm sticking to XTR pedals for day to day use.
    See - exactly what I mean - a perfect bike for your needs.
    Plus this is exactly what I would write about me loving the LT1 in march this year.
    Now take a ride on a light-built LT2 and come back to us.
    I'd love to see you saying you liked it less:P
    You got to try it to compare (I know you just say what you feel about the XC, no comparison)
    Seriously though, each of them is very nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by indyfab25
    If anything, the bad rep comes from the pigeon holing of the new(xc) model. It appears to be a race only or racer type ride only bike. Versatility is where the BLT2 shines. To add to my backing of the versatility of the BLT2, I did another race on it yesterday. It was a 12 hour deal where I posted the 1st and 3rd fastest laps(over pros in attendance) on my LT2. I haven't thrown a leg over the XC as of yet, but something tells me that the super quick handling wouldn't be as good --for me-- at speed. There were more than a few people looking at my bike and scratching their heads wondering how the hell the fastest lap was done on an "all mountain" bike with 5.5" inches of travel. It is a category bender for sure. The added weight doesn't matter, at all. Quite simply, the bike is a rocket, an absolute rocket. I guess what I am saying is, you don't give up anything performance wise going with it over an xc. That added versatility is a benefit that would be missed on the xc if you chose to go in that direction. Gnarly downhills are a dream on this bike. I do not think so much of the xc. From the sounds of it, the LT2 is right up your alley.
    Congrat's on your rides. Still, I won more races, almost every one I entered as a cat4 my first full year of racing, on a schwinn supersport. Ditto riding a cannondale 3.0 as a sport. I wouldn't come close to classifying these bikes as a favorites. Though the cannondale geometry really worked well for me. Now if it wasn't such a harsh ride (100% rigid back then with an ultra-stiff fat tube aluminum ride). Obviously you got some talent.

    Unfortunately, unless you know someone it's really hard to put a bike through the paces. I plan on building whichever frame I get all out, so if I'm going to be spending $5K, I want to get it right

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    Quote Originally Posted by nm_gunslinger
    Congrat's on your rides. Still, I won more races, almost every one I entered as a cat4 my first full year of racing, on a schwinn supersport. Ditto riding a cannondale 3.0 as a sport. I wouldn't come close to classifying these bikes as a favorites. Though the cannondale geometry really worked well for me. Now if it wasn't such a harsh ride (100% rigid back then with an ultra-stiff fat tube aluminum ride). Obviously you got some talent.

    Unfortunately, unless you know someone it's really hard to put a bike through the paces. I plan on building whichever frame I get all out, so if I'm going to be spending $5K, I want to get it right

    Well, I certainly didn't mean to make the post about my riding, but thank you. I meant it as a testament as to how many different ways you can ride that bike. I get blown away every ride. I just cannot believe how you can ride this thing in so many different situations and have it feel just right. My partner was on a 4x and she was slaying it. SC makes some pretty interesting gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by indyfab25
    Well, I certainly didn't mean to make the post about my riding, but thank you. I meant it as a testament as to how many different ways you can ride that bike. I get blown away every ride. I just cannot believe how you can ride this thing in so many different situations and have it feel just right. My partner was on a 4x and she was slaying it. SC makes some pretty interesting gear.
    I bet your attitude about that bike makes it goes faster too:P
    It works on mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krolik
    I bet your attitude about that bike makes it goes faster too:P
    It works on mine.
    Certainly! It is an easy bike to ride for sure.
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    You guys are giving me the itch to add a BLT2 to my quiver. Now I have to decide between it and a new road bike
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrentP
    You guys are giving me the itch to add a BLT2 to my quiver. Now I have to decide between it and a new road bike
    Man, just put some bigger hoops on and it can replace your road bike !LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by krolik
    Man, just put some bigger hoops on and it can replace your road bike !LOL!
    It damn near pedals as well!
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    Well, I just pulled the trigger on a 15.8 lb Lemond Victoire carbon road bike. Figured I needed it more than another mtb to help get in some long aerobic mileage. The LBS knocked off a nice sum so I got it in the low $3's instead of the low $5's. Now I have to figure out how to hide it from the wife
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    If given the option...LT2!!! In reality the 5" travel bike has become the current standard in XC/Trail/AM and the LT2 is undoubtedly the jack of all trades when spec'd properly. The BXC will leave you wanting more, but it sprints better.......I have a recent Scott Spark for Xterra racing....and it now collects dust since my LT2 was delivered. With the Talas RLC you can dial the travel and get the steeper head angle if you warrant a more XC scene, and the VPP+RP23 will take care of any and all thoughts of pedal induced bob. There's a reason that the LT2 has taken the world by storm and is probably the most demanded model at SC. This may be blasphemy...but the only other bike I'd suggest for comparison is a Pivot Mach 5, and you'll still come back for an LT2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrentP
    Well, I just pulled the trigger on a 15.8 lb Lemond Victoire carbon road bike. Figured I needed it more than another mtb to help get in some long aerobic mileage. The LBS knocked off a nice sum so I got it in the low $3's instead of the low $5's. Now I have to figure out how to hide it from the wife
    I have an 08 Zurich. It is super fun to ride and very comfortable. You're going to have a blast on it.
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    I still haven't ridden one, but to me the BLT2 is too much bike for most XC race courses, with few exeptions (Downieville is one)

    If we are just looking at pure XC racing I think the BXC can perform as well as BLT2 with less weight and better climbing. Maybe the only limitation is the forks travel, restricted to 100mm, but aain you don't need that for 'most' XC courses.

    If you look at AM riding and stuff, then that's a different story
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    Then you have to ride one.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Zen_Turtle
    I still haven't ridden one, but to me the BLT2 is too much bike for most XC race courses, with few exeptions (Downieville is one)

    If we are just looking at pure XC racing I think the BXC can perform as well as BLT2 with less weight and better climbing. Maybe the only limitation is the forks travel, restricted to 100mm, but aain you don't need that for 'most' XC courses.

    If you look at AM riding and stuff, then that's a different story
    ZT.
    I was like you...steep head angles, 80-100 mm travel and stiff frames that were great for sprinting on rolling courses. My GF Sugar 1 with juicies was great for many years, then last year the Scott Spark 20 was the rocket, but they left me sketched on the descents with front wheel push and the inability to take out much over a 6-8 inch drop without maxing everything out.
    The LT2 weight penalty of 3-4LBS over my Spark gives a slight avg MPH drop during a climb...2-3 tenths/per hour that's with 100 wavering between locked-out and active with Pro-pedal on, the descent, with the Talas travel at 140 and Pro-Pedal off, gets it all plus MORE!!
    Try one you'll like it. As for "pure XC"..it has been morphing toward the more technical, and the need for more travel.
    See you at Sea Otter 09 or some of the 12-14 hour races.......LT2s are coming to a race bear you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zen_Turtle
    I still haven't ridden one, but to me the BLT2 is too much bike for most XC race courses, with few exeptions (Downieville is one)

    If we are just looking at pure XC racing I think the BXC can perform as well as BLT2 with less weight and better climbing. Maybe the only limitation is the forks travel, restricted to 100mm, but aain you don't need that for 'most' XC courses.

    If you look at AM riding and stuff, then that's a different story
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    Yeah,
    It is pretty obvious you haven't ridden one...especially one with race wheels. I was on the cusp of buying a race bike this summer. After every race regardless of what it looked like technicality wise, I still believe I do not need one. Fire roads, tech, whatever...it doesn't matter. The bike is a comfortable rocket. People need to stop equating travel with use. The lines are so blurred now(no pun intended) that you really never know. I've got poploc on my Rev and Propedal in the rear for the smooth races. I am giving up nothing to the race bikes except for weight. And I don't care about that given it is so much more comfortable than a race only bike. Again, you really have to ride and race one to understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by indyfab25
    Yeah,
    It is pretty obvious you haven't ridden one...especially one with race wheels. I was on the cusp of buying a race bike this summer. After every race regardless of what it looked like technicality wise, I still believe I do not need one. Fire roads, tech, whatever...it doesn't matter. The bike is a comfortable rocket. People need to stop equating travel with use. The lines are so blurred now(no pun intended) that you really never know. I've got poploc on my Rev and Propedal in the rear for the smooth races. I am giving up nothing to the race bikes except for weight. And I don't care about that given it is so much more comfortable than a race only bike. Again, you really have to ride and race one to understand.
    Maybe you are right, but then again I've raced sometimes on my Nomad and I know that comfort is not what I'm looking for when racing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zen_Turtle
    Maybe you are right, but then again I've raced sometimes on my Nomad and I know that comfort is not what I'm looking for when racing
    I understand where you are coming from for sure. But, please hop on a strong, light LT2 and tell me what you think. I rode the Nomad2 at Bootleg at Interbike and it pedals just as well as the LT2. Totally different from the first Nomad. Plus, with the slack angles of the Nomad(old or new), it really isn't set up for as much XC as an LT2. I would never race on it. The rider is too far behind the pedals IMO.

    Going back to your comment earlier about the BXC being a better "pure" race bike, I think you are likely correct. There are other factors in that equation I think. I weigh quite a bit(192lbs) and somehow can keep up with, and recently beating(at least in New England) guys on "pure race bikes." This conversation has me thinking that just perhaps I could be faster on a race bike. But, intuition tells me no. The likely hood of riding at speed as well on a BXC is lower...for me. Pedaling is the same as race bikes BUT ripping corners, flying up and over things, and having the confidence to point it during a race is something I don't want to give up. I mean really...26.5lbs isn't that heavy...is it?

    In the end, you gotta try one. But don't try the NEW Nomad. You'll surely want one. I do.
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