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    Blur LT Carbon Setup Thread

    Won't actually be 'set up' for a couple of days; but, looks really sweet out of the box! 5.68 lbs. More to come. Thanks Zach at Competitive Cyclist.

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    ooooh! thats hot!

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    you lucky bastard, but cmon 5.68lbs? Thats kinda heavy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogo
    you lucky bastard, but cmon 5.68lbs? Thats kinda heavy!
    That is pretty porky. It was only supposed to be 5.6 lbs! Here's a photo courtesy of Competitive Cyclist.
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    What headset & fork will you be using?

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    nice!!!

    How are you going to build it up?

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    Here's the 'build':

    Frame: Santa Cruz Blur LT Carbon, medium
    Rear Shock: Fox Float RP23
    Fork: Fox 36 Talas FIT RC2, 1.5 taper
    Saddle: WTB Devo Carbon
    Seatpost: Crank Brothers Joplin R, 30.9
    Seatpost Clamp: Santa Cruz
    Handlebar: Easton MonkeyLite XC, High Rise, 685mm
    Stem: Syntace F-119 MTB, 90mm
    Grips: Ergon GE1
    Headset: CustomTapered headset
    Shift Levers: SRAM X.0, trigger
    Front Derailleur: Shimano XT M771 Direct Mount
    Rear Derailleur: SRAM X.0, long cage
    Derailleur Cables: Gore Ride-On Sealed
    Brakes: Magura Marta SL Magnesium
    Brake Rotors: Magura SL Drilled, 180mm F & R
    Crankset: Shimano XTR Hollowtech II Crankset FC-M970, 175mm
    Chain: SRAM PC-991
    Pedals: Crank Brothers Mallet 3, Aluminum + Ti
    Cassette: Shimano XTR Cassette CS-M970, 11-34t
    Wheels: Industry Nine Enduro Flow (Stanís Flow rims)
    Tires: Continental Mountain King Protection 2.4 in., converted to tubeless (Stanís)
    Rear Skewer: DT Swiss RWS Thru Bolt, 10x135

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    Wow, another and another amazing bike/build from you. Does this officially declare the end of the recession? I would love to know what you do to afford all these bikes.

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    My wife would like to know also. I'm trying to instill consumer confidence and jumpstart the recovery.

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    So where are you heading with this build spec, there's not a great deal of difference between your LT & XC builds other than fork/ wheels, maybe spec the XC closer to it's intentions.

    My XCc (24.5lb) feels like an ultra lightweight LT2a (28.2lb) to me, so I'm curious as to what you think the LT2c will be of benefit to you over a more durable alloy frame.

    BTW if I post a LT2c here as my own send me abusive PM's as I don't believe that a carbon trailbike is the right decision for me. I understand that the carbon is strong in SC impact tests etc. but there's the everday durabilty issues that concerns me, the rear dropouts with no plated protection from skewers let alone a bolt up rear hub eek.

    I'll suffer these on a job specific bike like the XC, but a trail rig....nah.
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    wow that looks sweet, and it's in my colour too...After demo'ing an alu LT2 at the weekend, I'm planning on placing an order for one of these carbon beauties shortly. Can't wait to see yours built up!

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    That BB junction looks super stout. I cannot wait for mine.
    I am immune to your disdain.

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    Man, that's what I call beautiful. I thought the Mojo was kinda nice for a carbon bike, but this is beyond imagination. I'm waiting my modest and regular BLT to come, and from my experience with it, I'll probably order a BLTc next year. If a carbon Nomad doesn't show up before!

    Hey, is that a press-in BB like those on Pivot bikes?

    Congratulations, that will be a really smooth ride!
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    Gripo: All good questions and comments. I'm not quite sure where it's headed either. I've got three bikes and I'm trying to differentiate them (like fly rods). The XCc should probably be pushed more towards XC. I'll see how it sorts out.

    Black Ronin: The BB was wrapped in masking tape. I'll have to check tomorrow. It was represented as a custom proprietary tapered headset. I don't even know who makes it.

    Almost together, except the front wheel needed a 20mm sleeve from I9. It will be here on Thurs. Raining now, but supposed to be a good Memorial Day weekend here with temperatures in the low 70's. I'll post some more pictures on Friday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m_driscoll
    That is pretty porky. It was only supposed to be 5.6 lbs! Here's a photo courtesy of Competitive Cyclist.
    Ahh the .08lb is the seat post clamp and the dust on the frame

    Fantastic looking frame, I'm hoping to have one by the end of the year, keep us posted on your build up.

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    just wait till you ride it..

    your going to be sooooo stoked! I had a chance to test drive one yesterday.. incredible IMO.

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    Steve, tell us more!

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    Ok so my story is I have ridden a hard tail wicked since 1990 or 91. a year & 1/2 ago I bought an older gen1 bruja. (just to give a where I'm at sort of reference). I love the squishy of the bruja- vanilla f & r. So I have been trying out lots of different tires, forks, wheels etc. NOT very tech trails but over and over on the same trail day after day I get a pretty good feel for the changes.

    Then my buddy at my LBS is buds w the owner of SC bikes. A few weeks ago he had the XC version.. I did not get a chance to ride that, however when the offer to spin this came I jumped on it.My story is this- just returned from mendo 4 days of riding long weekend, went and grabbed the bike for my morning ride on my way to work. I checked out a few angles and heights to compare to my current bruja. BB 1 inch lower on the LT, Bars 1" lower as well, Seat to bars 1" longer, a plus as my bruja is m and the LT is L . Bars are 27 bruja 26". Seat tube angle looked identical, head tube maybe 1/2 degree more slack- almost identical. wheelbase 1" longer. I weight 170 and 5' 11" tall.

    This one had the revalation forks and RP 2.3 shock. Apparently the owner is 185lbs so I did not touch the air pressure. I did reset the orings for reference. Initial sag looked pretty much inline for starters.

    I rode Fremont older in Cupertino. I start in the prospect lot. Initial impression was climbing felt good. now I am really tired from riding for a 10 day s straight.. but it climbed well middle chain ring all the way to Maisies peak. I dropped into granny for that. Now I did not lock out anything as far as shocks go.. Then the fun begins.. So I blast down from Maisies and do my normal left and duck oder the tree branches- it feels great. then some fire road, zig zag around the rain ruts, pop a little air off the bump, then to the chopped up from the horses section.. Well I do feel the bumps but it is more like good feedback not beat you up stuff.. Then a bit more fire road and blast a right to the toyon trail single track, now this is getting good.. It is super responsive, back it here, jump off the hump, zig over to the skinny section, up, then down, the roller coaster, then small climb out, back down the next toyon section- fantastic!, a hop here, zig there, a few banks off the side, then back to fire road, through the meadow, short climb then seven springs single track downhill, then climb out. They had done some recent trail work here and for some reason installed about 15 speed bumps / jumps. this bike is tracking wonderfull, goes where you put it, pop off the bumps, then climbing it just goes great.. NO pedal bob like my bruja/vanilla. it has a great 'feedback feel' like pedaling a HT yet softens up the bumps like they are not there. The tire were more xc than what I tend to ride, but the did not slip even on the powder sections like the susp. took up what it needed and made the tires stick.
    In the end the rear had used most of the travel so the air might have been slightly too low, front used 3-3 1/2" travel. (even low rear shock pressure had less pogo when pedaling than my bruja)

    To sum it up it was a very expensive test ride for me and I have a bruja for sale..

    Also I heard they were not quite out for a few weeks or so- or at least not the large ones..

    Just my take on it. NO technical stuff involved. I just had the best ride ever IMO..

    Steve

    Disclaimer- interpret it in your own way. Hope my description compares to yours when you ride it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedalhead
    Steve, tell us more!
    What did you think of your test ride?

    you must have liked it if your going to place your order!


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    Steve: Awesome! I can't wait.

    Cheers.

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    Awesome write-up, thanks. Makes me want to go out & ride my bike! From your description, I'm pleased to see it sounds very stiff...point & shoot...nimble, just what I'm after, but with the trail-bike angles I prefer, rather than being race-steep. From my test ride of the standard LT2, I thought it had all the good bits of my Horst Fivespot...nice angles, burly feeling but not too heavy, but also felt tighter...not as plush, but I like that, the Fivespot can be too plush & can suffer on climbs. I found the LT2 to be a lot quicker on the climbs, and I found myself in the middle ring when often I knew I'd have been in the granny on the 'Spot. I'm liking the idea of having all these features, but in a lighter, stiffer frame, so the carbon it had to be.

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    >>>but also felt tighter...not as plush<<<

    I'm telling you the 'feedback' feel was unlike anything I had ridden before. I really think it will be unreal in the technical trails. Much more than the plush or pogo of my vanilla.

    The other thing I dont know if you caught was how much rear susp travel there was (or I used) . I think it will even climb better with it setup slightly stiffer/ more air psi in the rear...

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    Quote Originally Posted by smittylube
    >>>but also felt tighter...not as plush<<<

    I'm telling you the 'feedback' feel was unlike anything I had ridden before. I really think it will be unreal in the technical trails. Much more than the plush or pogo of my vanilla.

    The other thing I dont know if you caught was how much rear susp travel there was (or I used) . I think it will even climb better with it setup slightly stiffer/ more air psi in the rear...

    steve
    Awesome, that's what I really liked about the BLT, it felt really connected to the trail, but at the same time with a feeling of having a good amount of travel available if needed. Bearing in mind the traits of carbon over alu, I wouldn't be surprised if this one felt even more so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gripo
    I'm curious as to what you think the LT2c will be of benefit to you over a more durable alloy frame.
    Im nor trying to turn this into a carbon vs.. thread, but this frame is claimed to be significantly stronger than its alu counterpart (which I have LT2 'a' XL Ano Black)

    My experience with carbon, and exposure to it in diff applications agrees with that, as do the engineers.

    Maybe Im misinterpreting, in which case - oops, but it just seems a casual allusion to a commonly held, but incorrect, belief that carbon/thermo-plastics are weaker or more prone to failure than aluminum when the opposite is true.


    Back to OP/OT - that build is sweet; Im one that would prefer a matte finish, but you cant stop the sexiness that is the BLT2c!!! Enjoy that thing!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huck Banzai
    Im nor trying to turn this into a carbon vs.. thread, but this frame is claimed to be significantly stronger than its alu counterpart (which I have LT2 'a' XL Ano Black)

    My experience with carbon, and exposure to it in diff applications agrees with that, as do the engineers.

    Maybe Im misinterpreting, in which case - oops, but it just seems a casual allusion to a commonly held, but incorrect, belief that carbon/thermo-plastics are weaker or more prone to failure than aluminum when the opposite is true.
    I don't doubt the outright strength of carbon but could see an issue with durability/longevity. True about it's strength, how long has it been used in the aerospace industry or sports like F1/Moto GP etc. but then how often is a carbon component replaced in those arenas?

    For example the rear dropouts on the LT/XC's is all carbon without any metal protection, I can see a longevity issue with some users who may overtighten the qr's or worse would be a bolt up axle/hub that grinds into the carbon as it's tightened. Then there's the seatpost clamp area which will be crushed 1000's of times by seatpost QR's.

    Time will tell, I'm just being cautious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huck Banzai
    Im one that would prefer a matte finish, but you cant stop the sexiness that is the BLT
    Yup, I agree 100%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gripo
    I don't doubt the outright strength of carbon but could see an issue with durability/longevity. True about it's strength, how long has it been used in the aerospace industry or sports like F1/Moto GP etc. but then how often is a carbon component replaced in those arenas?

    For example the rear dropouts on the LT/XC's is all carbon without any metal protection, I can see a longevity issue with some users who may overtighten the qr's or worse would be a bolt up axle/hub that grinds into the carbon as it's tightened. Then there's the seatpost clamp area which will be crushed 1000's of times by seatpost QR's.

    Time will tell, I'm just being cautious.
    Anybody have any experience with the Ibis Mojo SL? It appears that it has carbon dropouts also: The SL also features compression molded carbon fiber dropouts, compared to aluminum on the Mojo Carbon. http://www.ibiscycles.com/mountain/mojosl/

    Cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m_driscoll
    Anybody have any experience with the Ibis Mojo SL? It appears that it has carbon dropouts also: The SL also features compression molded carbon fiber dropouts, compared to aluminum on the Mojo Carbon. http://www.ibiscycles.com/mountain/mojosl/

    Cheers.
    I have been riding a Mojo SL for more than a year at Bootleg Canyon, NV. Aside from some cosmetic scratches on the rear triangle, no problems so far with any part of the carbon frame. It will be joined by a black and silver Blur LT Carbon probably by next month. It was recently joined by an aluminum Nomad2 and I still find the time to ride my aluminum Blur XC.

    I'm very interested in how your build goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedsdoc
    I have been riding a Mojo SL for more than a year at Bootleg Canyon, NV. Aside from some cosmetic scratches on the rear triangle, no problems so far with any part of the carbon frame. It will be joined by a black and silver Blur LT Carbon probably by next month. It was recently joined by an aluminum Nomad2 and I still find the time to ride my aluminum Blur XC.

    I'm very interested in how your build goes.
    That's good to know. I, personally, have blind faith in carbon for bikes. I also have blind faith in SC's engineering and manufacturing. No experience, just faith; so, thanks for sharing.

    My bike is built except for the I9 20mm front wheel sleeve. It was originally a 15QR wheel and didn't have the 20mm sleeve included. I9 was supposed to overnight it for delivery today (Thurs.)! Maybe the nights are longer in the Blue Ridge Mountains and it'll be delivered on Friday? I'm blowing off work and going for a ride tomorrow. I was hoping it'd be on the LTc. Still could happen.

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    Still waiting for the 20mm sleeve from Industry Nine. Evidently it was overnighted from one side of their warehouse to the other. I'll get it on Tuesday. Here's the current state of the bike.

    The proprietary headset is a Cane Creek Frustum ZS-3 ( http://www.canecreek.com/component-h...uct=frustum-zs ).

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    That is looking sweet. Give us an update on the ride.

    I bought an aluminum LT2 about 2 months ago and love the ride, this has me wondering if carbon is in store for the near future.
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    headbadge?

    I've always been an anodized guy. Do you think that head badge is going to stay on? I looks like it would just pop right off.

    I'm pumped to hear more about your rig after you get it dialed.

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    Market/Branding logo; probably the last thing SC would want to fall off. Rode my XCc today and it stayed on. I'll post more next week.

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    Hi m_driscoll please can you tell me how the BB is mounted is it screw in or press in??Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffus
    Hi m_driscoll please can you tell me how the BB is mounted is it screw in or press in??Thanks
    I don't know anything about bottom brackets! SC didn't indicate that the bottom bracket was unique. I'm guessing that means that it's screw-in. I'm using the Shimano XTR FC-970 crankset and bottom bracket.

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    It's a standard 73mm bb. Just swapped the XT crank from my al BLT2 straight to the carbon beastie.

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    Ride Report #2

    Driscoll,

    So after a few weeks what do you think? Have you had a chance to pound on that bike yet?

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    Here's the final 'build' and photos. Thanks Veloce Velo in Issaquah.

    Also took my first ride today. Spent a few hours at Paradise Valley (http://evergreenmtb.org/wiki/index.p...radise_Valley). Great place to try the bike out.

    Most of my time was with the fork at 130mm. 160mm was overkill. Still need to get the suspension 'dialed in'; especially rebound. You could definitely feel the differences in handling with the fork travel adjust. On the really tight singletrack in the 'bike park' (don't think Whistler) section, the 130mm felt good and the 160mm was hard to control. The 160mm will have to wait for another place. Set the RP23 for 17mm sag and didn't touch the propedal. Also, didn't use the Joplin.

    At 29.16 lbs., it's not my lightest bike; but, I didn't really notice. Climbing was controlled and smooth at 130mm (at 160mm, it was harder to 'weight' the front end). Descending felt very stable. I need to ride a trail a few times to get a better feel for the bike's performance as opposed to my own! So far - terrific, very fun bike, that's going to push my riding!

    Frame: Santa Cruz Blur LT Carbon, medium
    Rear Shock: Fox Float RP23
    Fork: Fox 36 Talas FIT RC2, 1.5 taper (4.98 lbs.)
    Saddle: WTB Devo Carbon
    Seatpost: Crank Brothers Joplin R, 30.9 (1.18 lbs.)
    Seatpost Clamp: Santa Cruz
    Handlebar: Easton MonkeyLite XC, High Rise, 685mm
    Stem: Syntace F-119 MTB, w/TI bolts, 90mm
    Grips: Ergon GE1
    Headset: Cane Creek Frustum ZS-3
    Shift Levers: SRAM X.0, trigger
    Front Derailleur: Shimano XT M771 Direct Mount
    Rear Derailleur: SRAM X.0, long cage
    Derailleur Cables: Gore Ride-On Sealed
    Brakes: Magura Marta SL Magnesium
    Brake Rotors: Magura SL Drilled, 180mm F & R
    Crankset: Shimano XTR Hollowtech II Crankset FC-M970, 175mm
    Chain: SRAM PC-991 Hollow Pin
    Pedals: Crank Brothers Mallet 3, Aluminum + Ti (0.97 lbs.)
    Cassette: Shimano XTR Cassette CS-M970, 11-34t
    Wheels: Industry Nine Enduro Flow (Stanís Flow rims)
    Tires: Continental Mountain King Protection 2.4 in., converted to tubeless (Stanís)
    Rear Skewer: DT Swiss RWS Thru Bolt, 10x135
    Weight: 29.16 lbs. (13.23 kg.)

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    Are you sure that weight is correct? That setup should be quite a bit lighter than that?
    "Do not touch the trim"

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    Seems like it should; but, I weighed it several times.

    Easton EC-90 seatpost instead of the Joplin R - minus 366g;
    Crank Brothers Eggbeater 2Ti instead of Mallet 3 - minus 215g;
    different wheelset (I9 Enduros are 1900g) - minus 250g;
    32 Talas 15QR 150mm instead of the 36 Talas - 460g.

    That's 1,291 grams less ( minus 2.85 lbs.). The bike would weigh 26.27 lbs.

    Cheers.

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    m_driscoll awesome bike, thanks for your reply regarding the fork, I'm now convinced Tala36 for me, cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by m_driscoll
    Won't actually be 'set up' for a couple of days; but, looks really sweet out of the box! 5.68 lbs. More to come. Thanks Zach at Competitive Cyclist.

    Cheers.
    That is a beautiful frame! Damn, now I might have of trading in old BLT 1 for this one.

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    Freaking awesome bike! Congrats

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    New wheels, tires, and seatpost/clamp

    Swapped out a couple of components and gained 2/100th of a pound. Can't ride it until this weekend.

    Frame: Santa Cruz Blur LT Carbon, medium
    Rear Shock: Fox Float RP23
    Fork: Fox 36 Talas FIT RC2, 1.5 taper (4.98 lbs.)
    Saddle: WTB Devo Carbon
    Seatpost: Easton EC90 Zero Setback Carbon Fiber
    Seatpost Clamp: Syntace Superlock
    Handlebar: Easton MonkeyLite XC, High Rise, 685mm
    Stem: Syntace F-119 MTB, w/TI bolts, 90mm
    Grips: Ergon GE1
    Headset: Cane Creek Frustum ZS-3
    Shift Levers: SRAM X.0, trigger
    Front Derailleur: Shimano XT M771 Direct Mount
    Rear Derailleur: SRAM X.0, long cage
    Derailleur Cables: Gore Ride-On Sealed
    Brakes: Magura Marta SL Magnesium
    Brake Rotors: Magura SL Drilled, 180mm F & R
    Crankset: Shimano XTR Hollowtech II Crankset FC-M970, 175mm
    Chain: SRAM PC-991 Hollow Pin
    Pedals: Crank Brothers Mallet 3, Aluminum + Ti (0.97 lbs.)
    Cassette: Sram PG-990, 11-34t
    Rims: Edge Composites AM
    Hubs: Chris King ISO, 10x135 'Fun bolts' at rear
    Tires: Schwalbe Fat Albert UST, 2.25", converted to tubeless (Stanís rim strips and sealant)
    Weight: 29.18 lbs. (13.24 kg.)

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    Definitely an improvement aesthetically. Love the Edge/pewter CK combo. Still not sure about the gold pedals mind you ;-)

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    Bling very nice, your gain must be the cassette XTR to SRAM

    How is it riding?

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    Dude,
    That bike is f'n out of hand.
    I am immune to your disdain.

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    Man, what a build. You gotta get a pair of Formulas The One, they would match your pedals perfectly!
    Last edited by Black RONIN; 06-24-2009 at 08:59 AM.

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    Why trade the Crank Brothers Joplin, problems ???

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    I just got mine built up today. I only got a chance to rip around the parking lot. I can tell, however, that this bike is unbelievably stiff. Unbelievably responsive. I'm geeking out already.
    I am immune to your disdain.

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