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    Anyone regret Anodize or powdercoat ?

    I am on the fence as to go anodize or powdercoat . Just wondering if anyone went one way and wished they went the other ? Why ? Thanx

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    Anodized Durability

    Well, the anodized finish is very durable but it depends on the color as to whether or not I like it. I was in the LBS tonight and they had a new Blur LT in the anodized silver color and honestly, it had a cheap look to it. On the other hand the slate and black anodized frames looked awesome. There was just something about that silver finish that screamed, poor quality.

    I just started another thread to see if anyone has a picture of a frame powder coated in Santa Cruz's new silver color.

    I have had powdercoated frames and they are pretty durable. Especially if you get one of the transparent color like Trans Blue, Red or the new Black Chrome. They have a two coat process which really bonds a thick layer to your frame. I'm sure it probably adds some weight too!

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    Ultimate Shuttle Vehicle

    Here it is, the ultimate shuttle vehicle!

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    Nice truck!!!

    My biggest regret is anodising isnt available on all SC models
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    Nice Truck

    No, that truck is insane!

    It belongs to the guy who owns a powder coating company I visited today. He had it custom built from the ground up in Georgia and had it shipped here on a flatbed trailer. It arrived here a couple of days ago.

    I bet it is very economical as a daily driver!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 67degrees
    Well, the anodized finish is very durable but it depends on the color as to whether or not I like it. I was in the LBS tonight and they had a new Blur LT in the anodized silver color and honestly, it had a cheap look to it. On the other hand the slate and black anodized frames looked awesome. There was just something about that silver finish that screamed, poor quality.

    I just started another thread to see if anyone has a picture of a frame powder coated in Santa Cruz's new silver color.

    I have had powdercoated frames and they are pretty durable. Especially if you get one of the transparent color like Trans Blue, Red or the new Black Chrome. They have a two coat process which really bonds a thick layer to your frame. I'm sure it probably adds some weight too!

    I guess it depends on the frame you want. I got an ano. black Nomad. It looks great, as does the poloshed Nomad. On the other hand, I didnt not like the Nomad at all in all the other colors. If I had gone for the Heckler , I would certainly have got a PC one - yellow, white or orange. I think the Heckler looks better in PC.
    The Ano. IS more durable , but once it gets scratched it can't be fixed. PC is much easier to touch up, and you can even re- PC the whole frame every once in a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaMan
    I guess it depends on the frame you want. I got an ano. black Nomad. It looks great, as does the poloshed Nomad. On the other hand, I didnt not like the Nomad at all in all the other colors. If I had gone for the Heckler , I would certainly have got a PC one - yellow, white or orange. I think the Heckler looks better in PC.
    The Ano. IS more durable , but once it gets scratched it can't be fixed. PC is much easier to touch up, and you can even re- PC the whole frame every once in a while.

    I am actually looking into a VP Free, anodized black or pc black. I wondered about scratching ano. can it be touched up ? Or will the touch up stand out ? Thanx

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    Note that ano is quite hard to scratch
    We had our bikes really muddy last week and the mud was a bit abrasive. Im certain a powdercoat would have got scratched just cleaning it off.
    The ano cleaned up real good. But there is a trick to use Armoural or similar product to really enhance the ano finish after...
    If you do scratch the finish (rare crash...) you can touch up with black permanent marker... in no time...........if its a black ano that is
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    Ano and rocks. As you know, keen, I got my Nomad in ano slate. Riding for 3 days this past weekend in extremely rocky terrain was a little of a surprise for me with this ano finish. While riding all 3 days, I could hear rocks, sometimes big rocks, banging the bottom of the bike at various places. I mentioned earlier about the Nomad riding a bit lower than my Bullits, so there was a lot more rock contact. Monday I hung the bike up in a stand at the shop and got a flashlight and did a close inspection of the entire bottom of the bike from the downtube to the rear axle. I was a little amazed not to find any chips or flecks on the bike. My polished Bullit takes abuse like this without any serious marks. My trans red Bullit on the other hand looks like the paint has been shot peened down there. I really don't expect paint to hold up to that kind of repeated pounding. Seriously I'm not that concerned about chipping and flecking on mountainbike frames down on the lower areas of the bike...I mean it's an off road vehicle designed to take a pounding. I would like my bikes' paint jobs or finishes to hold up decently on the more visible parts of my bike, and even my trans red Bullit still looks good overall. I feel pretty good about how this ano will hold up based on what it took this weekend in a very exposed area of the frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 67degrees
    Here it is, the ultimate shuttle vehicle!

    Tell me what you'll think!
    Thats one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.
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    Polished

    Quote Originally Posted by keen
    I am on the fence as to go anodize or powdercoat . Just wondering if anyone went one way and wished they went the other ? Why ? Thanx
    Get polished. It looks badass, takes scratches well and its the only finish
    you can really restore yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keen
    I am actually looking into a VP Free, anodized black or pc black. I wondered about scratching ano. can it be touched up ? Or will the touch up stand out ? Thanx

    I have not yet found a way to touch up ano. without it standing out.

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    I find with the black ano - 'touch up' with a pen isnt too bad.... although I admit lighter colors will be easier to see for eg slate, orange, light blue etc
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    I have PC, and it got scratched very quickly. I don't care if my bike is scratched, because I ride it hard and don't plan to fleece someone selling it used. Everything on my bike is scratched, as I ride in very rocky areas.

    I also vastly prefer the "traditional" look of PC over anodized. However, the black ano is a little better looking than the other colors, in my opinion. I despise polished alu; i pretty much think it's the worst possible MTB aesthetic besides those horrific flames that Foes stamps into their frames; i would take spray paint camo over polished aluminum.

    I also liked saving the $$ on PC because it let me spend a little more in other areas of the build that have more effect on performance.

    On the other hand, there is little doubt in my mind that Anodized resists scratches much more. If I had to choose a black ano frame delivered in 2 weeks vs. a PC frame in 2 months, I would have probably opted for ano.

    These are my thoughts on the issue. I think this is one debate that is very specific to the individual rider's tastes.

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    I just ordered up a Black Ano BLT. If SC had better powdercoat options I would have ordered a PC frame, but I'm just not all that impressed with the dull PC frames that I've seen or the pics of PC frames that I've seen, other than the Liquid Blue. Intense on the other hand, has some really sweet PC colors... Pear White, Java, British Racing Green, Titanium Gold, Baby Blue, etc. I'd have a much harder time deciding on what color I wanted if I went with an Intense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rpet
    On the other hand, there is little doubt in my mind that Anodized resists scratches much more. If I had to choose a black ano frame delivered in 2 weeks vs. a PC frame in 2 months, I would have probably opted for ano.
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    Exactly what got me a ano black frame.... I'm not disappointed in the slightest, and I have no doubts the finish will stand up pretty well.
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    The truck is excessive and quite frankly, I would not be surprised to find a Bush/Cheney bumper sticker on it... anyway Santa Cruz's powdercoats have never seemed to be very durable. I had a black heckler that scratched very easily. For instance, during breaks I would simply rest on the top tube and shoot the hay with my bros. Well, the top tube was a mess after one ride. That did not happen to my Kona unit. The white powdercoat on my 04 heckler is even worse. I would say if you live in a muddy area, anodizing is an absolute must. If you live in a very dry, weather friendly area like most of the cool dudes in here, go powdercoat. The mud in Okinawa and Maine have not agreed with my PC finishes at all.

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    ano pluses and minuses...

    Quote Originally Posted by TNC
    Ano and rocks. As you know, keen, I got my Nomad in ano slate. Riding for 3 days this past weekend in extremely rocky terrain was a little of a surprise for me with this ano finish. While riding all 3 days, I could hear rocks, sometimes big rocks, banging the bottom of the bike at various places. I mentioned earlier about the Nomad riding a bit lower than my Bullits, so there was a lot more rock contact. Monday I hung the bike up in a stand at the shop and got a flashlight and did a close inspection of the entire bottom of the bike from the downtube to the rear axle. I was a little amazed not to find any chips or flecks on the bike. My polished Bullit takes abuse like this without any serious marks. My trans red Bullit on the other hand looks like the paint has been shot peened down there. I really don't expect paint to hold up to that kind of repeated pounding. Seriously I'm not that concerned about chipping and flecking on mountainbike frames down on the lower areas of the bike...I mean it's an off road vehicle designed to take a pounding. I would like my bikes' paint jobs or finishes to hold up decently on the more visible parts of my bike, and even my trans red Bullit still looks good overall. I feel pretty good about how this ano will hold up based on what it took this weekend in a very exposed area of the frame.
    Having had both, I'd have to say ano is very tough to scratch, but over time (a couple of years) it tends to dull down, with the areas that are exposed and rubbed (not in a porn way) tending to really get blotchy and hard to clean. You can wax it but that's never very satisfying and doesn't last long.

    For touch-up on my SC Superlight frame I used a black, then a blue Sharpie to touch up the scratches and rubbed areas (dark blue frame). You can kind of mix them together while wet and end up with a close approximation... but not perfect. Buff it very lightly, once finished, with the finest steel wool to knock down the sharpie's shine. It's okay for the casual glance. I just got another SC bike, a Nomad, and got it in powdercoat silver. I'll let you know how that goes.

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    My current bike it a 2001 SC Bullit in PC white. I purchased it used a couple of years ago. It was trail ridden . I did some minor touch up's and waxing and it looked pretty nice, even from a few feet away. It had clear stickers in cable rubbing area's that kept cable rub away - the stickers look stock. I purchased a used 2003 black Bullit that I planned to use for DH (it was previously used for such) Man the paint looked horrible - every scratch and rock ping stood out. Not sure if my 01' had a better PC job or later jobs were not as good ???

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    Yeah, that's black.

    Quote Originally Posted by keen
    My current bike it a 2001 SC Bullit in PC white. I purchased it used a couple of years ago. It was trail ridden . I did some minor touch up's and waxing and it looked pretty nice, even from a few feet away. It had clear stickers in cable rubbing area's that kept cable rub away - the stickers look stock. I purchased a used 2003 black Bullit that I planned to use for DH (it was previously used for such) Man the paint looked horrible - every scratch and rock ping stood out. Not sure if my 01' had a better PC job or later jobs were not as good ???
    I had a black pickup truck, and it was a nightmare...every rock chip looks white. Lighter colors are definitely better. The lighter ano colors should be easy to live with too. That's why I stayed away from ano black. Ano gray or something like this slate that I got on mine looks like it will be easy to live with.

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    I went ano

    When I purchased the "original" blur a few years back, I went ano. I just did a crash replacement w/ SC and again went black ano on a BLT.

    Ano upside:
    The finish was really tough. All the rocks ricocheting off the frame left few, if any marks.

    Ano downside:
    It has a black primer look about it. It shines well with a wax job, but that's way too short lived to do with any regularity.

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    scratch on grey...

    Quote Originally Posted by TNC
    I had a black pickup truck, and it was a nightmare...every rock chip looks white. Lighter colors are definitely better. The lighter ano colors should be easy to live with too. That's why I stayed away from ano black. Ano gray or something like this slate that I got on mine looks like it will be easy to live with.
    I'm hoping when my silver PC Nomad scratchs, and it will (ouch), that the aluminum under it won't contrast too bad with the silver finish. That's the idea, but it remains to be seen how that works since I've had no crashes yet.

    I recently saw a black ano Nomad that was about six months old (just guessing), and it looked like crap already. It looked like it was six years old,--- just like my current six year old blue ano Superlight does now.

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    Go Ano!

    Ano is definately worth the extra $$. Powdercoat chips much easier.

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    powdercoat just doesn't last

    You can see from these pic's just how rough the PC looks after two years. Also, you can see in the first pic that it doesn't protect the seatstay from denting and in the second you can tell that it rubs off if you constantly rub your foot on the chainstay. No I don't believe that any coating material would help these situations, but some riding lessons might. I was very diligent in the maintenance of the PC for the first year or so, but nothing seemed to help. The rootbeer is still a cool color though and I get tons of compliments on it.
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    Touching Up Black Ano

    I have a Black Ano BLT and for small scratches I use a black sharpie. It works well enough...

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    Ano

    I have an ano VP and a PC Heckler. The VP has some small scratches but they are harder to see than on the Heckler. The powdercoat has a tendoncy to flake off after it's broken up/scratched.
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    I have had 2 Blurs (classic and now BLT) both powdercoat Trans Blue and I would go ano next time for sure. PC seems to dull and scratch easily - not in the cheap finish easy, just compared to ano.

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    Forget Paint of any kind

    In my experience anodizing or polished is the only way to go. Ano is less maintanace but polish gives you the ability to polish out any scratches.
    In years past I got powdercoat frames and they always would chip, flake even get corrosion under the powdercoat, so I stay away from it now.

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    Blur LT Ano Silver??

    Quote Originally Posted by 67degrees
    Well, the anodized finish is very durable but it depends on the color as to whether or not I like it. I was in the LBS tonight and they had a new Blur LT in the anodized silver color and honestly, it had a cheap look to it. On the other hand the slate and black anodized frames looked awesome. There was just something about that silver finish that screamed, poor quality.

    I just started another thread to see if anyone has a picture of a frame powder coated in Santa Cruz's new silver color.

    I have had powdercoated frames and they are pretty durable. Especially if you get one of the transparent color like Trans Blue, Red or the new Black Chrome. They have a two coat process which really bonds a thick layer to your frame. I'm sure it probably adds some weight too!
    The Blur LT doesn't come in ano silver. You were probably looking at a Blur XC, thought I would clarify.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny_Automatic
    When I purchased the "original" blur a few years back, I went ano. I just did a crash replacement w/ SC and again went black ano on a BLT.

    Ano upside:
    The finish was really tough. All the rocks ricocheting off the frame left few, if any marks.

    Ano downside:
    It has a black primer look about it. It shines well with a wax job, but that's way too short lived to do with any regularity.

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    I love my ano superlight. Would definitely do ano again.

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    PC rubs off fast.

    Quote Originally Posted by okie_calvin
    You can see from these pic's just how rough the PC looks after two years. Also, you can see in the first pic that it doesn't protect the seatstay from denting and in the second you can tell that it rubs off if you constantly rub your foot on the chainstay. No I don't believe that any coating material would help these situations, but some riding lessons might. I was very diligent in the maintenance of the PC for the first year or so, but nothing seemed to help. The rootbeer is still a cool color though and I get tons of compliments on it.
    I've got a Silver PC Nomad thats ten days old and the PC is ALREADY RUBBING off where the cables contact the frame. Four smallish rides and not too much mud.

    On a ride today some local Santa Cruz guy said that SC Bicycles is looking for a new powder coat technician cuz the old guy was getting the bake room temperatures wrong. I believe that after seeing my "soft" PC coat job.

    Side Note: In a factory job I had years ago, it my task to oversee the PC white coating on several hoppers for candy production. I took them to Salinas, CA to a place the specializes in automotive work, Man, those hoppers are still going strong ten years later with nary a scratch. PC if done right is TOUGH!
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    Thought about a career jump?

    Quote Originally Posted by whangen
    I've got a Silver PC Nomad thats ten days old and the PC is ALREADY RUBBING off where the cables contact the frame. Four smallish rides and not too much mud.

    On a ride today some local Santa Cruz guy said that SC Bicycles is looking for a new powder coat technician cuz the old guy was getting the bake room temperatures wrong. I believe that after seeing my "soft" PC coat job.

    Side Note: In a factory job I had years ago, it my task to oversee the PC white coating on several hoppers for candy production. I took them to Salinas, CA to a place the specializes in automotive work, Man, those hoppers are still going strong ten years later with nary a scratch. PC if done right is TOUGH!
    Hey Whagen!

    Have you thought about a career move lately? Sounds like the writing is on the wall Dude!

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    Quote Originally Posted by whangen
    I've got a Silver PC Nomad thats ten days old and the PC is ALREADY RUBBING off where the cables contact the frame. Four smallish rides and not too much mud.

    On a ride today some local Santa Cruz guy said that SC Bicycles is looking for a new powder coat technician cuz the old guy was getting the bake room temperatures wrong. I believe that after seeing my "soft" PC coat job.

    Side Note: In a factory job I had years ago, it my task to oversee the PC white coating on several hoppers for candy production. I took them to Salinas, CA to a place the specializes in automotive work, Man, those hoppers are still going strong ten years later with nary a scratch. PC if done right is TOUGH!
    same problem on my silver PC. You have to put a lot of stickers in the right place to prevent wear. But what's great with silver is the wears and tears are a lot less apparent than with another color

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    Writing career = Starving artist.

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    Hey Whagen!

    Have you thought about a career move lately? Sounds like the writing is on the wall Dude!
    "On the wall" ? I guess that's a compliment? I'll take it for one anyway, 67Degrees ... many thanks.

    After I retired from CAD design and engineering in the mid-nineties, I did a five year stint as a writer/photographer for all sorts of national magazines. Most notably in the cycling field, I wrote and took pictures for Bike, Dirtrag, Cycle California, GORP and Mt Bilk Action (Mysterioso Triangle? Cascades Scouting Trip? --- anyone remember that far back?)

    Unfortunately, I'm now a little too old to play the 'starving artist' or to haul 25 lbs of camera gear and notebooks up steep mountain sides ... therefore I've been tapering off on the journalism stuff lately and mostly riding my Nomad.. Besides that leaves me more time to flummox and annoy people on these forums!
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    Email from SC Bikes re: Pcoat.

    Quote Originally Posted by keen
    I am on the fence as to go anodize or powdercoat . Just wondering if anyone went one way and wished they went the other ? Why ? Thanx
    I wrote Scott Turner at SCB and complained about the durability of the PC frames. Here's the reply I got back. I also asked for some touchup paint and mentioned I'd had experience with PC in the manufacturing field... and it was always tough in that application.
    ================= text of SCB email ==============
    Will,
    Powdercoat wear on a bike frame is almost always from repeated friction
    from
    issues like the the cable housing or other parts rubbing the
    Powdercoat.
    The powder we use comes from multiple vendors and the durability is
    pretty
    much the same for almost all Powdercoating (Your bins probably haven't
    been
    freeriding in the SC mud yet!) ; )
    Protecting these areas from abrasiveness really is your only option.
    Using protective clear Mylar stickers (Exactly like you mention) in
    areas
    of high cable wear is your best option.
    You can also get small surface scratches in the gloss finish from dirt
    abrasion. Basically fine dirt rubbing against the glossy finish. No way
    around that one, as bikes are made for in dirt use.
    A good cleaning as wax job can help protect the powdercoat and bring
    back
    some luster.

    Because all our Powdercoat is in powder form (before it¹s baked on to
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    frame) we do not have any "wet" touch up paint available.
    Your best bet is to go down to your local auto supply or art/hobby shop
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    check out the colors of automotive touch-up paint.

    Thanks again, and let me know if you have any other questions.

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    Yea, that sounds about right, anyways, get the polished because if it does get scratched you cant really see it, and it polishes right out.

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    Damn, I'm glad I ordered my ano BLT frame when I did. It looks like SC increased the pricing on anodized finishes. Polished is cheaper now according to the updated bike builder.

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