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    Alternative to DT Swiss RWS X-12 142mm axle

    I received my new bronson carbon frame which has the 142mm dropouts for the 12mm axle. It came with DT Swiss RWS X-12 axle, which is kind of cool,

    Alternative to DT Swiss RWS X-12 142mm axle-dt.jpg

    ...but the quick release arm sticks out a long way out from the frame and is prone to catching on things unless you face it backward - and I just don't like Quick Releases facing backward! As I don't really need the quick release function and have tools with me when I ride, I would be happy with an 8 or 10mm allen key to remove the axle. Has anyone seen anything like this in their travels?

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    I've used these on a Tallboy LT and a Bronson C. Have a few friends that run the same on the same bikes. It's never been an issue through any terrain, as your feet/pedals stick out much further. From a function stand point, it works very well. I position it so the lever is between the seatstay and chainstay (similar to any other QR).

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    Universal Cycles -- Syntace X-12 System Axle - 142 x 12mm

    Saves 23g too, not to mention Syntace makes top notch products with the best strength to weight ratios of any company I know. Does have a funky flange at bolt side tho so not 100% sure it is compatible. Hopefully someone can chime in that has actually used it.

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    I dont believe the Syntace will work. It only works with a spec'd Syntace x12 rear end, if i understand correctly. The only thing i can think of that is sans quick release is:Thru-Axles and Q.R. : THRU-AXLES

    *edit* It is possible that it could work, but I'm not 100% certain, I have been looking for a similar product for a solo build.

    I had a friend have a problem with a syntace x-12 rear end, and nothing else would fit properly while he waited for the replacement.

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    Having spent considerable time researching 12mm axles, I can assure you that Santa Cruz and Syntace are not compatible. They do use the same 1.0mm thread pitch, but the interface into the non-drive side of the frames are different. Syntace X-12 axles use a tapered washer, Santa Cruz uses a flat face. DT Swiss offers both formats of axles, so it can be confusing for sure. We offer a line of aftermarket axles, including a Bolt-on axles for those looking to get ride of those thru-axle levers.
    Last edited by RobertAxle142; 10-21-2014 at 07:52 AM. Reason: updated info

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    Good to know. So do you have a standard axle (not even sure what a BOB trailer is)? If so, how much and what's the material/weight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gman086 View Post
    Good to know. So do you have a standard axle (not even sure what a BOB trailer is)? If so, how much and what's the material/weight?

    Thanks,

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    Our Santa Cruz axle weighs 75 grams. 7075 Alum w/ Hard Ano

    The Robert Axle Project Santa Cruz Bikes - The Robert Axle Project

    Its designed to accept a BOB trailer, so there would be 1/2 of axle sticking out on the non-drive side of your frame, but no giant lever. The threaded rod that is designed to extend beyond the drive side of the frame could be removed (or left off is you special ordered from us that way) for a flush fit.

    The Robert Axle Project
    The Robert Axle Project 12mm thru axle for your BOB Trailer for trail building and touring.

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    Syntace X-12 does not work.
    I had one and tried it when I got my Solo.
    No go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onetothepowerofn View Post
    I just don't like Quick Releases facing backward!
    just curious, why dont you like them facing backwards? in my experience its the one position where it wont get knocked whilst riding... its also the most aerodynamic (joke!)

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    I was able to get mine facing forward.
    FWIW, the skewer serves a dual purpose. It will protect you frame from getting scraped up in that area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scant View Post
    just curious, why dont you like them facing backwards? in my experience its the one position where it wont get knocked whilst riding... its also the most aerodynamic (joke!)
    You're right in that they won't get hung up when facing backwards, I just don't like the looks of it sitting out there in the middle of no where! To me it just doesn't look clean.

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    Well there now IS an alternative... but too pricey for my wallet: X-Lock X-Scott 12 x 142 - X-Lock 12 mm (rear) - Thru Axles & quick releases - Products

    The standard that Santa Cruz is using is the SCOTT 12mm so... does anyone know of other cheaper alternatives? I see absolutely NO good reason to use the DT Swiss version as that lever sticking out is just plain idiotic on a mountain bike (are you listening Santa Cruz?!).

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    12 x 1.0 die for ~ $10-15. Hadley 12mm x 183mm thru-bolt will run you $30 plus shipping or so. Ya'll can figure out the rest I'm sure. You've got to get the 183mm (or longer, if someone makes one, so that there is enough length left once you've lopped off the old threads. This length left me with the same amount of threaded bit in the frame as the stock axle.











    Have been running similarly on a Reign-X frame for three years. Works well, and has yet to ever loosen up. Weight is a wash, but I dislike having lever bits sticking out. Will likely spring for one of the crazy light and spendy bolt up options for the Pike eventually...
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    Nice work, ScrubLover. Impressed that it took less than half a beer to accomplish, or is that the second one?

    Here's my version:
    Alternative to DT Swiss RWS X-12 142mm axle-bolt-web-image.jpg
    Though Santa Cruz uses a 1.0mm thread pitch.

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    Nice job guys!

    Has anyone removed (or broken off) the lever on the DT Swiss? Curious as to how it's keyed and if that's an option?

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    Maxle?

    This might be an ignorant question, but is the Rockshox 12mm Maxle a completely different standard? Is the thread pitch the same as DT? If not, that might be a good option for the OP as the handle on the RS version tucks in nicely.
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    EDIT: Nevermind. Different thread pitch. But you might check this out:
    https://kurtkinetic.com/products/kinetic-traxle/
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    Once the RWS is tight, pull out on the lever. it will release and you can turn the lever to whatever position you want. Discovered this last night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertAxle142 View Post
    Nice work, ScrubLover. Impressed that it took less than half a beer to accomplish, or is that the second one?

    Here's my version:
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    Though Santa Cruz uses a 1.0mm thread pitch.
    I lost count...

    That was the issue - finding a 12 x 1.0 die locally was like searching for hen's teeth. Ended up ordering one online. Now I have the one in use on the frame, a spare one, and the stock as well.

    Found 1.25, 1.5, and 1.75 (which i already had from doing this for a different frame a few years ago) but 1.0 was like a freakin' unicorn. Even called around to a few machine shops. No luck, other than a few places that wanted exorbitant money to do something so simple.
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