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    26ing a bronson

    I like the idea of a bronson and am thinking it would be awesome with 26 wheels. Kind of old / noo skool. Anyone thinking of long shocking one with offset bearings, bigger volume tyres etc?


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    SC, the montain bike experts, spent a whole 20 years developing this bike and you want to go and phukit up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    SC, the montain bike experts, spent a whole 20 years developing this bike and you want to go and phukit up!
    Let the man do it. Look how long SC designed the TRC. Then look at the 650b TRC thread and see how many people love it. Without individuals who think outside the box and put it into action the world would be a boring place. Don't listen to this guy, he can't even spell Shawn right, EVERYONE knows it's Sean!

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    A 26 Bronson would ride really good if you were a Troll, otherwise I don't see the logic.
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    this thread makes me LOL. good trollin!

    my next idea is to put 26er wheels on a TBLTc with a dual crown BOxxer!! that thing would SLAY!

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    Well... According to one article, bikemag I think, they only did 650 because the Internet bowners/customers wanted it.

    If it was 26 with a shorter back end it would be more to my liking, but I see the logic in going to the middie wheel. Gotta get paid.

    I like the idea of 26 rear and 27 front as well. Mixing wheel sizes didn't seem to catch on last time round.

    If you 26 it post up. I think it's a worthy idea - and fun. Like OP said - if we run everything stock and in our comfort zone life is boring. Shake it. You might get that Yahtzee!
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    Great idea!

    Think it would work best on the top of the line $10,000.00 bike due to component spec, but since the wheels have to go send me those Enve's and Ill send you my old 26" wheels and I'll even pick up the shipping!

    Lets git 'er done!

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    I'd actually like to see one. BB certainly seems to have enough room. I'd also use an angle set to steepen the HA. Bring that wheel base in a bit. Never understand why the E crowd gets so upset when someone expresses an interest that is different than the majority. Btw, think the 650b version would be a blast as well. Just a little too downhill biased for my tastes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by h20-50 View Post
    Let the man do it. Look how long SC designed the TRC. Then look at the 650b TRC thread and see how many people love it. Without individuals who think outside the box and put it into action the world would be a boring place.

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    The difference with the 650b TRc is that nobody was making a nice carbon 650b trail bike, so people had to do conversions.

    If you want a 26" Bronson, why not just get one of the already great 26" all-mountain bikes?

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    So, why not just get a Blur LTc?
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    Hmm.. How about 29er front & 26er rear....Has that been done yet?

    The so called "Twenty years in the Making" is hilarious in its self.
    "Twenty years in the Marketing" is closer to the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geo025 View Post
    The so called "Twenty years in the Making" is hilarious in its self.
    "Twenty years in the Marketing" is closer to the truth.
    And, what's wrong with that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    So, why not just get a Blur LTc?
    For me the TT length of the Blur LTc was too short. Otherwise would have bought one. TRc was much better geo for me at least.

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    I don't know guys... I think I could probably make completely random geometry changes to a design from a renowned bike company and end up with a sweet ride. Anyone tried running their fork backwards? Negative offset is the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by munkyboy View Post
    I like the idea of a bronson and am thinking it would be awesome with 26 wheels. Kind of old / noo skool. Anyone thinking of long shocking one with offset bearings, bigger volume tyres etc?


    And so it begins .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    I don't know guys... I think I could probably make completely random geometry changes to a design from a renowned bike company and end up with a sweet ride. Anyone tried running their fork backwards? Negative offset is the future.
    Now if that negative offset gets marketed correctly ...

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    Donít mind the look of the Bronson myself but my shed is full of good 26-inch wheels including a nice set of Enve AM. For me, running the Bronson as a 26er would get the bike on the trail for the frame-only admission price, as well as allowing me to get some value out of the gear that Iíve already paid for. In time I could save for some 650b wheels and complete the package.
    Most 650b trail wheels that Iíve measured have been between 700-705mm in outer diameter (27.5 to 27.75 inch). My 26-inch wheels with 2.35 Hans Damph tyres come in at 685mm (27-inch). That means the smaller wheels will lower the BB by 7 to 10mm.
    Santa Cruz quotes a BB height of 346mm (13.6Ē) for the Bronson, so that should drop to 337ish (13.3Ē) as a 26er. Thatís pretty low but itís still higher than the Blur TR which is 333mm (13.1Ē). Of course youíll be running more sag on the longer travel Bronson and that could make it unfeasibly low. It probably depends on whether pedal strikes are a problem for you. Other 150mm travel 26-inch trail bikes do run BB heights in this area; the Yeti SB66 stands at 340mm (13.4Ē) for example.
    The idea isnít totally silly and on paper it could work. Would be interesting to see how it pans out on the trail.

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    Re: 26ing a bronson

    It would probably work great. The BB is not overly low and you're only giving up about 19mm max in BB height.

    It would be low, but not drastically so. I just don't know what the axle to crown length is.



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    OP, I think this presents a great question; personally I would prefer a 26" version. If anyone actually does this please post their results!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JHwick View Post
    Donít mind the look of the Bronson myself but my shed is full of good 26-inch wheels including a nice set of Enve AM. For me, running the Bronson as a 26er would get the bike on the trail for the frame-only admission price, as well as allowing me to get some value out of the gear that Iíve already paid for. In time I could save for some 650b wheels and complete the package.
    Most 650b trail wheels that Iíve measured have been between 700-705mm in outer diameter (27.5 to 27.75 inch). My 26-inch wheels with 2.35 Hans Damph tyres come in at 685mm (27-inch). That means the smaller wheels will lower the BB by 7 to 10mm.
    Santa Cruz quotes a BB height of 346mm (13.6Ē) for the Bronson, so that should drop to 337ish (13.3Ē) as a 26er. Thatís pretty low but itís still higher than the Blur TR which is 333mm (13.1Ē). Of course youíll be running more sag on the longer travel Bronson and that could make it unfeasibly low. It probably depends on whether pedal strikes are a problem for you. Other 150mm travel 26-inch trail bikes do run BB heights in this area; the Yeti SB66 stands at 340mm (13.4Ē) for example.
    The idea isnít totally silly and on paper it could work. Would be interesting to see how it pans out on the trail.
    There is a lot of sense to JHwick's post, especially the garage full of wheels and economics side of things.

    This weekend I measured a buddies 650b-2.35 Hans Dampf's and my 26" 2.5 Minion DHF Exo. Difference in circumference, only 4mm! These were not both brand new tires, and were mounted on different rims, but regardless, it was not a huge difference. Not sure how big the 650b Maxxis DHF 2.5's will measure, would guess bigger. Anyone find a on-line list of tire circumference measurements as reference?

    Definitely made me think a little harder about if I would actually need to replace all my 26" wheels or could upgrade a single rim/tire set + Frame/Fork and leave the other on 26" with larger tires without really changing much geom wise?

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    wh not try a 26 rear and a 16 front a banana seat and some monkey high rise bars on it and call it a retro banana crate
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    Quote Originally Posted by t0pcat View Post
    wh not try a 26 rear and a 16 front a banana seat and some monkey high rise bars on it and call it a retro banana crate
    I remember those Schwinn bikes! My bro had the Lemon Peeler, I was stuck with a Stingray. Good times! My LBS has a Apple Krate in the basement that gets ridden on occasion. Thanks for the post, brings back some memories.

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    comparing the TR to the Bronson BB height, you've also got an extra inch of travel. But in reality, you'll probably have a ripper of a bike, one that has a really low BB (or maybe you can put a 170mm fork on it if you have one of those in that garage).

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    Quote Originally Posted by JHwick View Post
    Donít mind the look of the Bronson myself but my shed is full of good 26-inch wheels including a nice set of Enve AM. For me, running the Bronson as a 26er would get the bike on the trail for the frame-only admission price, as well as allowing me to get some value out of the gear that Iíve already paid for. In time I could save for some 650b wheels and complete the package.
    Most 650b trail wheels that Iíve measured have been between 700-705mm in outer diameter (27.5 to 27.75 inch). My 26-inch wheels with 2.35 Hans Damph tyres come in at 685mm (27-inch). That means the smaller wheels will lower the BB by 7 to 10mm.
    Santa Cruz quotes a BB height of 346mm (13.6Ē) for the Bronson, so that should drop to 337ish (13.3Ē) as a 26er. Thatís pretty low but itís still higher than the Blur TR which is 333mm (13.1Ē). Of course youíll be running more sag on the longer travel Bronson and that could make it unfeasibly low. It probably depends on whether pedal strikes are a problem for you. Other 150mm travel 26-inch trail bikes do run BB heights in this area; the Yeti SB66 stands at 340mm (13.4Ē) for example.
    The idea isnít totally silly and on paper it could work. Would be interesting to see how it pans out on the trail.
    Interesting info for sure , I run a 26 front rim with a 2.4 Conti R Q when I measure the diameter it comes in at 694mm.
    If those measurements for 650b are correct, does that 6 to 11 mm difference make it a whole lot better ?
    I'm sure comparing rim builds like for like the 26 wheel will be stronger, so are the gains going to be that good?
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    Re: 26ing a bronson

    Doubtful a difference can be discerned, but marketing and hype are powerful.

    I have a couple of rides on a 650b setup and cannot tell the difference between a 26 or 650b.

    It is not a big change in wheel size.

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    I'll call you heretic How couldn't you fell the difference in whooping 7mm of radius change.
    I used to run tubes like you are, but then I got thorn in my wheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leggatt View Post
    Doubtful a difference can be discerned, but marketing and hype are powerful.
    I have a couple of rides on a 650b setup and cannot tell the difference between a 26 or 650b.
    It is not a big change in wheel size.
    Don't tell that to a 650 fanBoy!
    Wheel size based marketing is currently the most powerful form of the art. A 3.5% difference in wheel diameter is worth as much as 20% more suspension travel and on this forum you risk crucifixion if you dare not to believe it.
    Personally I've not noticed much difference in riding 650b bikes and I've ridden quite a few. They feel a lot like a 26er. To me, changes in geometry and suspension quality/axle path and so on made a far bigger difference. Of course I'm not going to pretend that my opinion is 'correct' or 'factual'. Some may really appreciate a 3.5% difference in diameter and feel a massive improvement in traction, rolling resistance and so on.
    650b works really well but at the end of the day it's only slightly different to 26" - that's what makes its ride qualities so appealing.

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    Originally I thought this thread was crazy but I'm kind of liking this idea now. I have a couple of good 26" wheelsets, a boatload of great Maxxis 26" tires (with various tread compounds and patterns that can't be had in 650b). So realistically I'd just need a fork because my Fox 36 180 Talas would be stupid on the Bronson but a Fox 36 RC2 160 would fit up nicely. Hmmmmm.

    This will all prove to be a moot point when SC reveals their 160mm 29er at Sea Otter though!
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    Looks awesome! Quicker acceleration, lower BB for better cornering, long wheel base for high-speed stability yet still playful and easy to change direction on as it has 26" wheels. This could be the next big thing.. haha!

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    Looks awesome. Now let's see someone 29 this thing!
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    attention: hate inducing post:

    Yeah, look at that. Santa Cruz could have shaved another 15mm off the chainstay length and made a super agile 26inch bike. No need for that 650B innovative stuff.


    Seriously: looks great with 26 inch wheels. Would love to test ride that beast back to back with the 650b version.

    Subtle difference probably.
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    ^ Didn't mean to induce your hate bud. Just having some fun..hence "haha".

    Why so serious?

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    Oh, there's been a misunderstanding. I didn't mean your post. That's totally cool.
    I meant MY post, because of the bikemag vid and Joe Graney getting all heated up because of the WHY 27.5 and not 26inch and stuff.

    I like the Bronson much better with your 26inch setup. At least from seen through my screen, sitting on the couch.

    I don't really get the middle wheel size, yet. Or rather it is as Santa Cruz says. It doesn't really matter.


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    The 26 Bronson looks like the the perfect cross between a TRc and a Nomad C. I really want to hear how it performs back to back with the different wheels.

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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by squiby View Post
    Looks awesome! Quicker acceleration, lower BB for better cornering, long wheel base for high-speed stability yet still playful and easy to change direction on as it has 26" wheels. This could be the next big thing.. haha!
    Looks good, that rear wheel must have plenty of mud clearance, that's something I could do with (to run a 2.4 Rubber Queen).

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    Quote Originally Posted by leggatt View Post
    Doubtful a difference can be discerned, but marketing and hype are powerful.

    I have a couple of rides on a 650b setup and cannot tell the difference between a 26 or 650b.

    It is not a big change in wheel size.
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    The weavers are the bike industry, 27.5 is the emperors new clothes. Leggatt, you are the child.

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    Could you snap us a picture of the chainstay from above with the 26inch wheels?

    I used to put 24inch wheels in 26 inch hardtail frames for street and dirt jump riding. Back in the days.
    Some frames had those horseshoe shaped gussets near the bb, which lead to tire rub sometimes.

    The size difference seems to be less substantial though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by markymark View Post
    Two weavers promise an Emperor a new suit of clothes that is invisible to those unfit for their positions, stupid, or incompetent. When the Emperor parades before his subjects in his new clothes, a child cries out, "But he isn't wearing anything at all!"

    The weavers are the bike industry, 27.5 is the emperors new clothes. Leggatt, you are the child.
    I may well become a " Belieber" for 27.5. But I think Squiby has it , when you have a set of perfectly good 26 wheels you may as well use them. You can always swap them out when the wallet or "Belieber" force gets too strong.

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    This is starting to look good.Have always likes santacruz's but always felt they were a little short on the top tube.This could sort that problem out by letting me run a large instead of a medium as it should have better standover with the 26 inch wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bog View Post
    Now let's see someone 29 this thing!
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    I started this as a bit of a joke, as everyone likes to force something onto existing chassis. Remember That guy who 650'd his mk1 nomad? Tnc? He was always round here.

    Anyhow, it's been done and weirdly it makes huge sense. I am off to 26er a tallboy......

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    bump...

    Bored and waiting on a replacement pivot axle for my Blur TR. Since SC sh!tcanned 26, who's running 26 on their Bronson? I've heard that people are racing this set up... Would be interesting to hear a report on this

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    The actual difference between 26 and 27.5 is about 1/2" on the radius, right? I threw my 26 x 2.5 wheel/tire on a 5010 that I demoed to see how it fit. The 27.5 x 2.3 High Roller II was only about 3/8" closer to the fork crown.

    I was checking out a Bronson at the LBS and the manager told me that the demand for 27.5 is consumer-driven. I think bikes had just hit a pinnacle and new models weren't bringing anything revolutionary to the table anymore, so a new wheel size was the way to sell bikes to people who had a perfectly fine bike already.

    I will probably be riding a 27.5 sooner or later because I "need" a new bike. My old 1st-generation Blur LT creaks and flexes so badly. Or I may end up on a gently used Mk2 Nomad or even an SB66 if I can find one to test out. If I end up on a 27.5 bike (Bronson), it will be because I can't find a 26 that I like.

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    With the same tire, the 27.5 OD is an inch bigger than 26er version. Not rocket science.

    My Michelin 2.35 front on the Bronson is just under 28 inches diameter.
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    So, HAS anyone actually tried the 26" Bronson approach?

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    Quote Originally Posted by captainvonawesome View Post
    So, HAS anyone actually tried the 26" Bronson approach?
    Not on a Bronson, but I went one step further and went 26 on the new Nomad for a month before going to 27.5.

    Quite liked it, I wouldn't have changed but the already lower BB got stupidly low, great fun going down, but really hard to pedal up anything that wasn't smooth.

    I've also run 26 and 27.5 wheels on the same bike (Rune V2) same rims and tyre, I prefer 26 - 27.5 is not better, just different.

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    I've been wondering if we'll start seeing people experimenting with 26 rear/27.5 front or 27.5 rear/29 front. Dirtbikes have had larger front wheels for a long time.

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    26ing a bronson

    Quote Originally Posted by captainvonawesome View Post
    So, HAS anyone actually tried the 26" Bronson approach?
    Yes I did it for about 2 weeks waiting for my 650b wheelset to be shipped. It worked well. Had big bag tyres on I think it raised the bb about 12mm when I got the 650b wheels on

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