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    Quote Originally Posted by LCW View Post
    What are the colors?
    yellow like the Tallboy LTC

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbcoke View Post
    you can see the shock on the new Mondraker e-bike :
    Looks like it will be called the Float DPX2. Sucks that they have it pixelated on the RM.

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    Here is what would be absolutely perfect of this (alleged) June 1st release:

    -HT bumps to 150mm travel
    -2 New Nomad's (w/ mini V10 shock placement): 27.5 is 170mm & 29er 160mm (think Wreckoning that's 1.5lb lighter with a better SA)

    All come with a Fox X2, and an option for this new Fox electric super shock of the future.

    Santa Cruz would absolutely crush any competitor for market share in trail bikes, period.

    A guy can dream...

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    One more day and we'll see, gentlemen, if tomorrow is not another fool's day

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolson450 View Post
    Here is what would be absolutely perfect of this (alleged) June 1st release:

    -HT bumps to 150mm travel
    -2 New Nomad's (w/ mini V10 shock placement): 27.5 is 170mm & 29er 160mm (think Wreckoning that's 1.5lb lighter with a better SA.
    Either 150mm HT or 160mm Nomad. Doesn't make sense for both to exist in the lineup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MntnMan View Post
    Looks like it will be called the Float DPX2. Sucks that they have it pixelated on the RM.
    http://www.mondraker.com/uploads/ima...48-jpg-jpg.jpg
    https://www.7anna.pl/Pierwszy-enduro...493370860.html

    I'm not sure, but it looks like both compression and rebound knob are mounted to some kind of new reservoir placed perpendicular to rest of the body. Bikes are showing up with this thing, so announcement should be imminent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolson450 View Post
    -2 New Nomad's (w/ mini V10 shock placement): 27.5 is 170mm & 29er 160mm (think Wreckoning that's 1.5lb lighter with a better SA)
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    I never actually thought about that. A Nomad that you could run 27.5 or 29er wheels! That's interesting. I was hoping they would use the flip chip to run different geo set up but this makes sense too. That would make a bike that could go longer travel with 27.5 and little less for 29er! Come on Santa Cruz.....what have you got up your sleeve?

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    Too much change in geometry IMHO. Could work with different rear triangle if designed properly though, think Trek Session 27/29,

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    Maybe it goes like:
    Nomad V4 27.5/27.5+ ~165mm travel
    Bronson 29 150mm travel
    HT 29 stays 135mm


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    Pretty sure it's 170mm travel and 27.5 wheels. Don't know why they'd make it + size compatible.

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    At one point, I did hear the new Bronson was going to slant more up into the Nomad territory, so a 150+ 29'er Bronson could make sense. I kinda doubt the would rebadge the Hightower so soon since it just came out. I would be willing to bet it stays the short travel 29'er in the line up and the long travel 29er coming is a Bronson or a completely new bike.
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    Can't imagine they'd bump up the travel on the Bronson anytime soon. The whole point of the Nomad redesign would be to differentiate it from the Bronson as well as increase the reach numbers (even though I like the nomad just like it is).

    170mm 27.5 Nomad with longer reach.
    150mm 29er (nomad 29, HT LT, does the name really matter?)
    and at a later date, a production version of the 29er V10 with various travel numbers depending on the frame size.

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    I'm hoping for a 150 mm 29er and a Nomad with a V10 style shock with adjustable travel like the previous generation V10s had. Adjustable from 165 to 180 mm. I don't know if something like that is possible though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westeast View Post
    Can't imagine they'd bump up the travel on the Bronson anytime soon. The whole point of the Nomad redesign would be to differentiate it from the Bronson as well as increase the reach numbers (even though I like the nomad just like it is).

    170mm 27.5 Nomad with longer reach.
    150mm 29er (nomad 29, HT LT, does the name really matter?)
    and at a later date, a production version of the 29er V10 with various travel numbers depending on the frame size.
    exactly this

    170 nomad longer slacker with v10 style linkage
    150 Hightower LT

    v10 dont know about it..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogboy View Post
    Pretty sure it's 170mm travel and 27.5 wheels. Don't know why they'd make it + size compatible.


    Why not?

    (i'm quite happy with my current v3 Nomad, and am not itching to replace by any stretch)

    I suspect just because they know some folks want it.

    Just makes sense. If you're doing a redesign, why not give it as much clearance as you can, so long as that isn't an impediment to your overall goal of the bike?

    We already know (or it appears) that they are going post mount. Bowing to the whims of the market. What's a little tire clearance or a flip-chip on top of that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogboy View Post
    Pretty sure it's 170mm travel and 27.5 wheels. Don't know why they'd make it + size compatible.
    because theres Hightower already with this tire option (and now even closer with 150 travel). Maybe theres not much sense on put plus tires in such big travel bike, or simply the "market" doesnt demand it (yet, the time will tell).
    Never saw a DH bike with plus tires, and v4 Nomad will be very close to a DH rig.

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    thinking better..

    some time ago I was reading an old thread about 29 inch forks and at some point someone posted "why the hell you want more than 120mm travel on a 29er?"

    now there are DH 29ers all around. so maybe in future will be a demand for plus tires for "super enduro" and DH bikes.

    would be a nice feature to have on v4 Nomad IF it doesnt spoil any of the bike capabilities, wich I think is very difficult because you need a longer fork and more space on rear end.

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    https://www.facebook.com/EnduroMount...461592197359:0

    New Nomad 4.. 170mm of travel. Link is broken though..

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    What are we looking at here? Is this official?

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    I hope it comes in a second color choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DriverB View Post
    What are we looking at here? Is this official?

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    Seems like it's official. Posted on enduro magazines Facebook page then quickly taken down.

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    Yep that is it but it's gonna come with the new float x

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    Not feeling that at all. Shit shock position for UK riding too!

    Oh Santa Cruz carbon rims as well, as I thought.

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    I am not a fan of the looks either, hopefully the benefit of the shock weight placement closer to BB and the new linkage characteristics were worth it...

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    Now, since I have not ridden a V10, what can we expect? Assuming this will be close to it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clostridien View Post
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    They are still leaning to the bike being able to pedal.....look at that cassette! Its bigger than the front rotor.

    Seeing how this was taken from Enduro Magazines Facebook page it has to be the new choice for Enduro riding......cant wait to hear the claims about its ability to climb and pedal.

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    Yay, stoked that my MK3 won't look that outdated.

    TBH though, the MK4 looks pretty clean. The shock kinda disappears.

    Hoping they have the new one at their demos later this month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzanova View Post
    Now, since I have not ridden a V10, what can we expect? Assuming this will be close to it?

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    They are still leaning to the bike being able to pedal.....look at that cassette! Its bigger than the front rotor.

    Seeing how this was taken from Enduro Magazines Facebook page it has to be the new choice for Enduro riding......cant wait to hear the claims about its ability to climb and pedal.
    My guess it climbs like the N3, descends like a v10?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clostridien View Post
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    Is that an integrated headset like the Hightower?

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    Looks nice and probably rides super good in bike parks, but must be heavy to pedal. And the elephant in the room: is 27.5" relevant any more with Hightower LT coming out soon and even downhillers switching to 29". Can't afford both.

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    If you need social manager for your company, one from Enduro Magazine might be looking for a new job

    Jokes aside, I thought this would be uglier. That top tube looks very long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Draper View Post

    Oh Santa Cruz carbon rims as well, as I thought.
    Bike shop in the Facebook link is calling the wheels Factor by Novatech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BluePitch View Post
    Bike shop is calling the wheels Factor by Novatech.
    They can call them whatever they like they aren't Factor by Novatech wheels or rims. Notice the lumps around the nipples on the SC rims. Iago has been running the rims for a while on I9 hubs:

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    Also it looks like SC logo on that red strip. No way it's Novatech. If they would show this with any other carbon rim, I'm certain it would be Enve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Draper View Post
    They can call them whatever they like they aren't Factor by Novatech wheels or rims. Notice the lumps around the nipples on the SC rims. Iago has been running the rims for a while on I9 hubs:

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    Quote Originally Posted by strasznyzbigniew View Post
    Also it looks like SC logo on that red strip. No way it's Novatech. If they would show this with any other carbon rim, I'm certain it would be Enve.
    I have no idea what they are, just going by what Unit Cycles LTD has on their Facebook page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Draper View Post
    They can call them whatever they like they aren't Factor by Novatech wheels or rims. Notice the lumps around the nipples on the SC rims. Iago has been running the rims for a while on I9 hubs:

    Factor
    Those stickers say Santa Cruz and the Factor stickers are orange, not red. Plus the Factor wheels don't have the bumps around the spoke nipples.

    Edit: Never mind, I guess you weren't claiming they were Factor wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick Draper View Post
    Not feeling that at all. Shit shock position for UK riding too!

    Oh Santa Cruz carbon rims as well, as I thought.
    Seems to be a guard over the rear shock to protect it from dirt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by will j View Post
    Didn't take long before this Facebook page was taken down. Big brother is watching!

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    Just wait till posts start to disappear from this thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by strasznyzbigniew View Post
    Just wait till posts start to disappear from this thread
    eh i saved the photo locally. ill report it if they get taken down. haha

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    color = ugly AF
    frame = no style... straight a$$ top tube...

    But at least there's room for a full size bottle... That's a plus.

    Sorry... but overall just not feeling the Nomad 4... glad I didn't have my sights completely set on it.... Wreckoning in my future I think more and more.

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    I don't really mind it. The color is the worst thing about it. It's almost that boring sand color they had like 10 years ago. Otherwise it looks really similar to the N3 just with a different shock position. Doesn't make me want to get rid of my N3 and buy a N4 though.

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    What's the benefit of having the shock there besides lower centre of gravity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmrocks View Post
    What's the benefit of having the shock there besides lower centre of gravity?
    Fit a large water bottle because they are concerned about your hydration needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmrocks View Post
    What's the benefit of having the shock there besides lower centre of gravity?
    What a crock of shit!
    If there was any (noticeable) benefit they'd still be hanging the water bottle under the down tube. Obviously, there IS a benefit to lowering CofG (minuscule), but I doubt anyone would even notice. I guess it's all incremental gains for the marketing department.

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    What size are the wheels?... i can't tell

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    Quote Originally Posted by sooner518 View Post
    I don't really mind it. The color is the worst thing about it. It's almost that boring sand color they had like 10 years ago. Otherwise it looks really similar to the N3 just with a different shock position. Doesn't make me want to get rid of my N3 and buy a N4 though.
    I'm suprised they picked that color. I can't imagine it will help sell as many bikes as the previous colors did. Or perhaps they know that sand is the next trendy color.

    As much as people complain about water bottle placement, it sure is nice to have an easily accessible water bottle for those hour long rides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penny View Post
    I'm suprised they picked that color. I can't imagine it will help sell as many bikes as the previous colors did. Or perhaps they know that sand is the next trendy color.

    As much as people complain about water bottle placement, it sure is nice to have an easily accessible water bottle for those hour long rides.
    I'm sure it will come in a more neutral color choice as well. All of their current bikes come in two color choices: a non-black color and a predominately black bike. The only exception being Tallboy which comes in gray instead of black.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BluePitch View Post
    I have no idea what they are, just going by what Unit Cycles LTD has on their Facebook page.
    Id ride it. If you can steer it through tight single track at speed. Less than 65 HA is getting to be tough to slalom through trees and the time tradeoff on straight line isn't there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tboned View Post
    What size are the wheels?... i can't tell
    I think it says 27.5 x 2.6, but I could be wrong..hoping there's a 29" option.. we'll know tomorrow..

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmrocks View Post
    What's the benefit of having the shock there besides lower centre of gravity?
    Leverage ratio.

    The V10 has had a progressive LR while the other SC bike have all been regressive to progressive. This new Nomad design should be a straight up progressive ratio. It won't feel as good on the showroom floor but it will ride much better for aggressive dh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shirk View Post
    Leverage ratio.

    The V10 has had a progressive LR while the other SC bike have all been regressive to progressive. This new Nomad design should be a straight up progressive ratio. It won't feel as good on the showroom floor but it will ride much better for aggressive dh.
    shirk, Nomad MK3 is very progressive, if I recall correctly Capra is one of the few if not the only one "Enduro" bike that is more progressive than the Nomad MK3. Bronson and 5010, they are a different story...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmrocks View Post
    What's the benefit of having the shock there besides lower centre of gravity?
    They can create a better shock rate driving it off the lower link than the upper one. They've made attempts for years to bring this to their trail bikes but packaging always trumped shock rate. Now they've decided to go for it regardless of weight/looks/ect.
    I'm sticking with my N3. The shock rate can be tuned around and I appreciate the frame's strength & stiffness-to-weight.
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    Woah. The geometry is a lot longer. A medium is now longer than the old large, and they shifted the recommended heights back. With those together its almost like its 2 sizes larger than the old. Their charts put me on a medium on the old (16.3" reach), and a large on the new (18.1") @ 5'9"

    The bike looks like too much for me, but I do like the new design and colors. +1 for watter bottle room

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    They definitely took a pretty radical direction change with the new Nomad. This was not built to be a mainstream bike like the N3, instead they just threw a giant middle finger at the Firebird and Slayer. It really makes full on DH bikes almost irrelevant for most riders outside of Whistler.

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    Oh my... No...

    - 27.5
    - 170mm travel
    - 64.6-65 HA
    - Chainstay length 430 mm.
    - Boost hub
    - Metric shock
    - Santa Cruz Reserve carbon rims??


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    Colours are very meh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salespunk View Post
    They definitely took a pretty radical direction change with the new Nomad. This was not built to be a mainstream bike like the N3, instead they just threw a giant middle finger at the Firebird and Slayer. It really makes full on DH bikes almost irrelevant for most riders outside of Whistler.

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    It doesn't look too bad, usually SC's colour choices have all looked a lot better in the real world than in the planet Internet

    I think it will be a good bike for park/shuttle days.

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    How to go from your best selling bike to your worst in one release

    From the N3 release which was universally praised, this thing is being panned for being a dog ugly beast.

    They just made the Nomad redundant to 95% of people who bought the N3.

    The new Hightower is going to smash this thing to bits. I best it's quietly dropped in 18 months like the Driver8.

    People are finally starting to realise they don't need massive travel, heavy bikes, even for racing enduro. The EWS is so far removed from your average rider & racer now anyway.

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    Yeah, I fear that this bike will suffer the fate of Driver8. There wasn't market for pure mini-DH or so called freeride bikes before, so why now when smaller bikes have got more capable. And add into the equation this year's DH induced migration to 29" even for gravity dicipline.

    That being said, I would take the Nomad4 to a bike park over anything else currently available! Could this be the bike that makes full-on DH bikes obsolete?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mehukatti View Post
    Could this be the bike that makes full-on DH bikes obsolete?
    No as they are one step ahead and moving to 29er!

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    They did put a flip chip on there. I'll wait to here some first ride reports and impressions from the magazines, but it looks pretty sweet. (Except for the bland colors)

    Ok, read some......I'll wait until the V3 Bronson comes out with this new style lower link. They made it more shuttle/bike park less trail.

    So I'll have to wait 2-3 years then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogboy View Post
    Pretty sure it's 170mm travel and 27.5 wheels. Don't know why they'd make it + size compatible.
    Don't wanna be the wisenheimer but 2.6-2.8" tires can fit in...so it's nearly 650+ compatible

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    Quote Originally Posted by calvingsc View Post
    Whoa! That's magical!

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    This thing kills need of a V10 for bikepark-riding! Now we need a new bronson to fill the 5inch travel gap for 650B and a LT Hightower for the 29 segment.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkwingDave View Post
    This thing kills need of a V10 for bikepark-riding! Now we need a new bronson to fill the 5inch travel gap for 650B and a LT Hightower for the 29 segment.


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    Yes, I need a Bronson with this new lower mounted shock and link. Trail bike that can go to the park. Not a park bike that you can go to the trail.

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    So N3 for my height (M) has 1170mm wheelbase. N4 chart recommends L for my size, with 1217mm wheelbase, which is 0.8 mm less than current V10 L (both in high setting). Well that thing should descend

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    Quote Originally Posted by strasznyzbigniew View Post
    funny, i have a slayer coming and was kinda concerned i should have waited for the nomad possibly, seeing this i am not. i am never going to be an SC fan.

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    She's not going to win any beauty pageants..

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    ...but I bet she descends way better than N3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkwingDave View Post
    This thing kills need of a V10 for bikepark-riding! Now we need a new bronson to fill the 5inch travel gap for 650B and a LT Hightower for the 29 segment.


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    pretty dialed lineup!

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    I think it looks pretty cool but my N3 is already more DH oriented than I really need. This update pushes it into almost pure bike-park territory. If I were looking for a new bike, the new LT Hightower would be where I am looking. (but i plan to stick with my N3 for several years. my wife would kill me if i bought a new bike. haha)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BluePitch View Post
    Yes, I need a Bronson with this new lower mounted shock and link. Trail bike that can go to the park. Not a park bike that you can go to the trail.
    Agree!

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    I love how versatility of my N3, a great descender and I can still set PRs on some technical climbs. In my mind I ride big stuff and I think I'm aggressive, but I've never once thought that my N3 has held me back from riding a crazy line, it's always my guts/skill. I don't need a more downhill oriented trail bike.

    The N4 could be great as a park bike when you have a Hightower or upcoming HT LT as your trail bike. But who needs a $9000 XX1 Eagle carbon CC park bike? If your going to really race DH, get a V10. If your going to race enduro get a new HT LT. The cheaper alloy frame version with top of the line suspension is the way I'd go for the perfect Keystone, WP, Anglefire ripper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aphis View Post
    ...but I bet she descends way better than N3.
    Why?
    The geometry is a wash if you already have a Nomad that fits how you like. The size label on the frame may change but when the calender flips over I don't suddenly want a longer top tube.

    The shock rate is better but people have had years to dial in shocks to work with the previous shock rate. You don't hear N3 owners with 11-6s complaining about the shock rate.

    Plenty of people already have their N3 set up with a 170 fork and DHish parts. This isn't any slacker and only has 5mm more rear travel.

    The only point I see to this bike is if the previous XL was too short for you or you couldn't figure out how to get your rear shock working right (it usually took a custom revalve). This at the cost of an uglier, heavier frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt View Post
    Why?
    The geometry is a wash if you already have a Nomad that fits how you like. The size label on the frame may change but when the calender flips over I don't suddenly want a longer top tube.

    The shock rate is better but people have had years to dial in shocks to work with the previous shock rate. You don't hear N3 owners with 11-6s complaining about the shock rate.

    Plenty of people already have their N3 set up with a 170 fork and DHish parts. This isn't any slacker and only has 5mm more rear travel.

    The only point I see to this bike is if the previous XL was too short for you or you couldn't figure out how to get your rear shock working right (it usually took a custom revalve). This at the cost of an uglier, heavier frame.
    Out of the box I'm sure the N4 is a superior descender. I'm pretty confidant that's what aphis meant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt View Post
    Why?
    The geometry is a wash if you already have a Nomad that fits how you like. The size label on the frame may change but when the calender flips over I don't suddenly want a longer top tube.

    The shock rate is better but people have had years to dial in shocks to work with the previous shock rate. You don't hear N3 owners with 11-6s complaining about the shock rate.

    Plenty of people already have their N3 set up with a 170 fork and DHish parts. This isn't any slacker and only has 5mm more rear travel.

    The only point I see to this bike is if the previous XL was too short for you or you couldn't figure out how to get your rear shock working right (it usually took a custom revalve). This at the cost of an uglier, heavier frame.
    Most of what you're saying is spot on. Other than a one size shift, geo is almost identical (and for practical purposes IS identical). Funny reading all the reviews of how it's such a different bike based on geometry. It's not.

    You underestimate the one huge change though in the leverage curve. Every coil shock on an N3 is still a bandaid to deal with the N3s whacked design. Yes it's progressive but not nearly in as functional a manner. It's all past sag. And coil shock or not the leverage ratio drops on wheel rebound from sag which makes it slam into things on top out. That's why coils are so much better on the N3. Air shocks just make that top out behavior worse. The soft midstroke of an air shock also makes the inherent midstroke wallow of the frame so much worse. Coil shocks just don't exaggerate this as much. But this is a much more functional design........for everything, supple top end, good midstroke support, and good consistent ramp through the travel......just like a v10.

    Most people are just going to buy it or not based on how it looks anyway. But it's a very different bike kinematically. The one they should have made the first time IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidwoo View Post
    Most of what you're saying is spot on. Other than a one size shift, geo is almost identical (and for practical purposes IS identical). Funny reading all the reviews of how it's such a different bike based on geometry. It's not.

    You underestimate the one huge change though in the leverage curve. Every coil shock on an N3 is still a bandaid to deal with the N3s whacked design. Yes it's progressive but not nearly in as functional a manner. It's all past sag. And coil shock or not the leverage ratio drops on wheel rebound from sag which makes it slam into things on top out. That's why coils are so much better on the N3. Air shocks just make that top out behavior worse. The soft midstroke of an air shock also makes the inherent midstroke wallow of the frame so much worse. Coil shocks just don't exaggerate this as much. But this is a much more functional design........for everything, supple top end, good midstroke support, and good consistent ramp through the travel......just like a v10.

    Most people are just going to buy it or not based on how it looks anyway. But it's a very different bike kinematically. The one they should have made the first time IMO.

    All those changes sound quite nice, but not enough to make me swap. Unless someone else is paying.

    At this point, I'm pretty happy with how the Monarch is working on mine, particularly for where mine gets ridden. It took a fair bit of tweaking to get there though. Might be a different story if I were out west again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidwoo View Post
    Most of what you're saying is spot on. Other than a one size shift, geo is almost identical (and for practical purposes IS identical). Funny reading all the reviews of how it's such a different bike based on geometry. It's not.

    You underestimate the one huge change though in the leverage curve. Every coil shock on an N3 is still a bandaid to deal with the N3s whacked design. Yes it's progressive but not nearly in as functional a manner. It's all past sag. And coil shock or not the leverage ratio drops on wheel rebound from sag which makes it slam into things on top out. That's why coils are so much better on the N3. Air shocks just make that top out behavior worse. The soft midstroke of an air shock also makes the inherent midstroke wallow of the frame so much worse. Coil shocks just don't exaggerate this as much. But this is a much more functional design........for everything, supple top end, good midstroke support, and good consistent ramp through the travel......just like a v10.

    Most people are just going to buy it or not based on how it looks anyway. But it's a very different bike kinematically. The one they should have made the first time IMO.
    Agreed. I own a V10 and it woulda been great to have that shock rate on my N3. It would have saved me a LOT of shock swapping and tuning. But what I love about the N3 is it's such a perfect complete package. Light, stiff, looks nice, easy to clean and maintain. It's too bad driving the shock off the lower link requires compromises to the weight and looks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt View Post
    Agreed. I own a V10 and it woulda been great to have that shock rate on my N3. It would have saved me a LOT of shock swapping and tuning. But what I love about the N3 is it's such a perfect complete package. Light, stiff, looks nice, easy to clean and maintain. It's too bad driving the shock off the lower link requires compromises to the weight and looks.
    Have you seen a frame weight yet? I couldn't find one.

    I actually kind of like how it looks.....maybe just because I've been dreaming about it ever since the 2013 V10s

    Those colors though..........I'd probably just buy a julianna
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    I'm sure the N4 will descend better, and more reach is nice, but I'm not at all disappointed with my choice to pick up a used stealth black N3 back in November. As others have said, it's a fantastic combination of a climber and descender. Nothing I currently ride really needs a mini-V10. Maybe in a year or two, but then I can pick up a used one!

    Some of the other little tweaks and changes look nice though (the integrated shuttle guard and rear mud flap). The amount of crud I accumulate in my lower link is impressive. It looks like it can carry a bigger water bottle if that's your thing, but I took my cage off because I got sick of how much muck it accumulated.

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    I saw a frame weight of 6.9 lbs somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLittle View Post
    yellow like the Tallboy LTC
    No they are not that pretty. Try beige as in rotten pudding or elementary school desk top. Probably one of the ugliest bikes SC has made. Why they are determined to keep painting them these sorry colors I'll never know. Not to mention the frame could have been shaped to look a little better while keeping the heart of the suspension the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salespunk View Post
    I saw a frame weight of 6.9 lbs somewhere.
    I'd believe that, with an air shock, so a pound heavier than the N3. They're really not aiming this at trail riders or 1-bike-quiver types, figuring the new Bronson and Hightower can cover a demographic that the last Nomad was designed for. I'm not convinced there's a lot of people who prefer this to a DH bike for chairlifts & shuttles or who would give up the N3's climbing for a little better suspension. Our shop will put one of each size in the demo fleet in place of DH bikes this summer because Breckenridge's chairlift riding REALLY doesn't require a double crown and they're much lighter than last year's GT Fury fleet.
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    Some of that weight gain may actually be the metric shock. A thooper deluxe with bearings is a decent bit heavier than a monarch.

    When the hell is fox going to make some metric shocks available? This gettin serious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FunkyFreeman View Post
    Oh my... No...

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    I think the tan looks good. Better than the blue or any of the weird colors they've done in the recent past like turquoise and pink. The tan is like military FDE. Black and Tan is cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DriverB View Post
    What are we looking at here? Is this official?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shredman69 View Post
    I think the tan looks good. Better than the blue or any of the weird colors they've done in the recent past like turquoise and pink. The tan is like military FDE. Black and Tan is cool.
    Flesh color... no thanks. The midnight is the better of the two and that's not saying much. Both are hideous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shredman69 View Post
    I think the tan looks good. Better than the blue or any of the weird colors they've done in the recent past like turquoise and pink. The tan is like military FDE. Black and Tan is cool.
    Right. If I had to choose between the two I would go for the tan. But to be honest, I really don't like the way N4 looks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkwingDave View Post
    Don't wanna be the wisenheimer but 2.6-2.8" tires can fit in...so it's nearly 650+ compatible
    You mean 26+. That won't change the geo.
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    You mean 26+. That won't change the geo.
    no he means 27.5x2.8 not 26+

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