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    2007 Bullit??? Anybody heard/scene anything?

    Seems it's going through some changes. My guess is that it'll have a hydroform top tube like the V10 and Nomad. Might even show up at Sea Otter. Keep those eyes and camera peeled.

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    That's exactly why I'm checking the forum. My '03 will probably keep rolling indefinately, but I'm still curious. Anybody out there ever broken a Bullit? I love my Bullit, but frames don't last forever, and I'm hoping they don't change it too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MqtRider
    Seems it's going through some changes. My guess is that it'll have a hydroform top tube like the V10 and Nomad. Might even show up at Sea Otter. Keep those eyes and camera peeled.

    I heard from a local SC rep that there should be one at Sea Otter. Guess we will have to wait and see now won't we.

    When I asked if it was going to have the swooping top tube like the V10/Nomad......he said "No comment" with a little grin. So take that how you wanna.

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    You know, there was a couple little things they could've tweaked on the bullit, but by and large the bike works fine. I agree that maybe replacable dropouts and maybe a swinglink should be added, but I hope they dont **** it all up by adding one of those stupid, nad-crushing top tubes.
    Why would they do that? People were still buying bullits. They're great. I hope mine lasts a long time and that the new ones arent too much different so I can get another without rendering myself sterile.

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    Good job! Bullit Redoux

    I love my Bullit and instead of buying a new bike I decided to complete update my bike. The only thing that I think the Bullit needed was a Floating Brake. I personally don't think it needs replaceable dropouts unless you wanted to have different dropouts available for standard QR or the option of adding a 12mm Through axle. Anyhow, I hope they don't change them much. Here is my re-done 2004 model and it is only waiting for the new Juicy's to arrive to be finished.
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    That's a pretty bike....thanks for sharing!

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    Thanks

    Thanks Man!

    I'm very pleased with the way it turned out!

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    Did you get that puppy repainted? Sweet bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifer
    That's exactly why I'm checking the forum. My '03 will probably keep rolling indefinately, but I'm still curious. Anybody out there ever broken a Bullit? I love my Bullit, but frames don't last forever, and I'm hoping they don't change it too much.
    Cracked mine at the rear triangle where the dropout meets the tubular sections on the brake side. Sent my 3-year old broken frame to SC along with $500 and got a brand new frame!
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    Repainted?

    Hey, thanks for the compliments! Well, I did not get it painted but did get it powder coated. I've been kicking around the idea of getting a Nomad but just have not been able to bring myself to do it. I have had this Bullit for a couple of years and love the bike. I've felt that the only thing a Bullit needed to be perfect was a floating brake to eliminate the brake jack. If you are off the brakes the Bullit is super plush but once you engage the rear brake on steep rutted and rocky downhills you can feel the rear stiffen up and kind of bounce over things. Not very confidence inspiring. I've been pretty sick since the end of January, caught Whooping Caugh, and have not been able to ride. So, I decided to spend the time upgrading just about everything on my bike. First I picked up a Brake Therapy floating brake kit. It was scuba yellow before and I really did not like the color so I took the whole bike apart. Spent a couple of weeks talking to different powder coating companies and deciding on a color. I wanted something completely different from any other Bullits that I've seen. I decided on this color that Dupont makes in a high gloss polyester powder called Evergreen. I ordered the sticker kit direct from Santa Cruz. I rode it for the first time today. This bike is SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The floater makes an incredible difference. It is like a completely different bike. I had a 888RC on here before and it was sweet but I picked up a 66RC to lighten it up a bit and it is better than the 888RC. Just as plush with the same travel but the air assist for preload is awesome by eliminating any brake dive. It is the perfect fork for the Bullit. I can't wait till I am 100% well again so I can take it out for several hours of thrashing. The Bullit is out of production and being redesigned by Santa Cruz. I have to wonder if they will add a floating brake option when re-released. I hear they are going to have one of the new models at Sea Otter so I'll find out in a couple of weeks and of course, pictures will be posted on here of whatever I see there.

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    I contacted SC via E-mail and they told me that nothing had been finalized for the new bullit yet except that it will be a single pivot. They also said that it should be out by the fall. I hope they dont change it too much.

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    Man i cant wait to see the new Bullit, ive tried to block it outa my mind since i first heard it was happening. I own a 03 so maybe its time to upgrade? Oh yeh my fingers are crossed it doesnt have a hydroformed top tube, i hate em! they look yuk and seem a hinderance, maybe if SC hydroformed them downwards not like a hump?? wheres the logic?
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    What i really want to know is how much travel it will have. The old one had 170mm of claimed travel? Now that the nomad has 165mm/ 6.5''and is used frequently as a trail bike (and to mind mind has stolen the aggro trail soul of the heckler) does this mean the bullit should be pushing more towards the single pivot Vpfree territory? my bets (and hopes) are an 8.5inch free/dh type ride. the reason i reckon this is because when they said they were going to do a VPP bullit we got the Vpfree and not the nomad

    Then they just need to re-tread the heckler to 6.5 '' and the SL to 5'' and SC has the full range of single pivots to match the vpp.

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    I agree that they need to align the single pivot bikes with the VPP bikes but why not leave the Bullit at 6.5-7 inches of travel and bring back the Super Eight as well? The greatest attribute of the Bullit was its versatility, something it would loose if it starts to push the eight inch travel mark. I am hoping that Sea Otter will have a proto type.

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    I agree about not upping the travel. I love that my DH bike is also my XC bike, and I aint no Mark Wier so climbing 3000 feet on a VP Free aint my idea of a good time...

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    Rather than having redundancy in SC's line-up, I hope they keep the Heckler and Bullit to fill the gaps in an affordable way. With three bikes, they can cover the entire spectrum, with some overlap: Superlight-XC/Trail, Heckler-Trail/AM, and Bullit-FR/DH

    I pray they only make some basic changes, but keep the Bullit's soul where it's at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intheways
    Rather than having redundancy in SC's line-up, I hope they keep the Heckler and Bullit to fill the gaps in an affordable way. With three bikes, they can cover the entire spectrum, with some overlap: Superlight-XC/Trail, Heckler-Trail/AM, and Bullit-FR/DH

    I pray they only make some basic changes, but keep the Bullit's soul where it's at.
    I agree with that...With the generation of long travel trailbikes, The Bullit still fits to gap of AM/FR setup...

    Mine is 36lbs with Z150FR, a Deemax wheels and 2.35tires makes it a real and perfect AM bike...
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    I think that the Heckler is capable of being the AM/light freeride bike but as it is currently i think that the 140mm of travel is a little short for the freeride side when compared to the competition. If they would bump it up to 150-160MM i would be the first to buy one.

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    Just got back from day one at Sea Otter, I didn't see any new proto type bikes from santa cruz or the new version of the bullit. I don't know if its going to show up or not, but if it does I will take some pics and post them up here. Right now the outlook doesn't look good but we got 3 more days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whoaohohohoh
    Just got back from day one at Sea Otter, I didn't see any new proto type bikes from santa cruz or the new version of the bullit. I don't know if its going to show up or not, but if it does I will take some pics and post them up here. Right now the outlook doesn't look good but we got 3 more days.
    Keep us posted...I am sure the closer you get to the weekend, more stuff will prevail.

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    Got back early from day 2 of sea otter, still no luck. Santa Cruz did however manage to mount the manitou fork on there show chamelon backwards, which i thought was pretty bad.

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    I just want to add my new Bullit to this thread....I am very proud of it!

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    you proud of that seat? G-zus!

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    Yep, I like it! It's my bike, you don't have to ride it... I am used to a seat like that...I had a SDG Big-Boy before that....just something that I am used to.

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    Anyone heard anything more? I wouldn't be surprised if it has around 180mm rear travel to match the 2007 66 forks and the new rs totem, they may even go for a 1.5 headtube for the travis and 1.5 steerer totem, they experimented with 1.5 steerers on the vp free but don't seem to have put them into production, maybe this will turn up on the new bullit. I would also like to see a rear rs maxle either in a 135mm or 150mm spacing, 135mm would be better cos then the bb could stay at 73mm not the 83mm that is really required for a 150mm rear end, there arent enough 'all mountain' cranks available for 83mm yet as far as i'm aware, at least not with a hollowtech 2 or x-type setup.
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    Don't worry.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Peru
    Yep, I like it! It's my bike, you don't have to ride it... I am used to a seat like that...I had a SDG Big-Boy before that....just something that I am used to.
    Those are good saddles for lots of types of riding. Not too comfortable for long, XC, sit-and-pedal rides, but if it's technical terrain, they're pretty good. Reminds me of the saddle on my old Honda XR dirt motorcycle. No one can judge pedals, shoes, or saddles for another rider...they either work for ya or they don't.
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    The only thing I don't like about the 1.5 trend (for lack of a better word) is the fact that with my forks, I would have to use reducer cups hence negating the purpose right? Unless I go out and buy a new fork (right, like THAT'S going to happen) that has a 1.5 tube, it makes no sense to me. Am I the only one that thinks like this?
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    [QUOTE=TNC]Those are good saddles for lots of types of riding. Not too comfortable for long, XC, sit-and-pedal rides, but if it's technical terrain, they're pretty good. Reminds me of the saddle on my old Honda XR dirt motorcycle. No one can judge pedals, shoes, or saddles for another rider...they either work for ya or they don't.[/QUOTE


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Peru
    The only thing I don't like about the 1.5 trend (for lack of a better word) is the fact that with my forks, I would have to use reducer cups hence negating the purpose right? Unless I go out and buy a new fork (right, like THAT'S going to happen) that has a 1.5 tube, it makes no sense to me. Am I the only one that thinks like this?
    You actually get more benefits with a 1.5 head tube if you use 1 1/8 steerer forks, if you use a reducing headset instead of reducer cups and a normal headset you get loads of larger bearings for your fork to spin on, also if you use one of the cane creek 'flush' headsets you can reduce the height of your front end by having the entire headset inside the steerer. The weld area of a 1.5 headtube is also larger resulting in stronger front end to the frame.
    These were the advantages i like the idea of however it's always nice to know you can just plug in a king headset and be done with it on most frames.

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    How about something like this?
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    Nice! I think i would prefer it to stay tubular though, i have a patriot at the moment and it's really noisy. If it were to acquire a 'hump' i would prefer the bike to be a bit less beefy in the front and a bit more so at the back than sov's impression above which i suppose is likely seeing as he has used a heckler rear and a v10 front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Peru
    I just want to add my new Bullit to this thread....I am very proud of it!
    Wow that is schaweet! I have a white one with Shiver fork and the floating brake from therapy components!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sov
    How about something like this?

    Dang, add a multi-position shock shuttle and you just might have it

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    I read from our local forum that SC will transform the Bullit into a VPP Bullit

    I don't believe it so I'll ask again here for any updates on this thread
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    I don't know why they would do that. There is no space between Nomad or VP free for another bike in the VPP segment. There is room above Heckler in the single pivot segment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullit_cn
    I read from our local forum that SC will transform the Bullit into a VPP Bullit

    I don't believe it so I'll ask again here for any updates on this thread
    This comment relates to the introduction of the vp free which santa cruz consider to be a vpp bullit type of bike, you must have read it from an old thread. The new bullit will be single pivot and have more travel than the heckler, 170-180mm hopefully

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sov
    How about something like this?
    yuck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullit_cn
    I read from our local forum that SC will transform the Bullit into a VPP Bullit

    I don't believe it so I'll ask again here for any updates on this thread
    I've read in a French MountainBike Magazine that SC will bring out an beefed up Nomad with more travel. Would they call it Bullit?

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    Bullit and Nomad.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullit_cn
    I read from our local forum that SC will transform the Bullit into a VPP Bullit

    I don't believe it so I'll ask again here for any updates on this thread
    I have a couple of Bullits and a Nomad. Currently the Nomad and one of the Bullits are built in almost carbon copies of each other...pics shown. I think the Nomad is already a Bullit VPP. The frames weigh almost exactly the same as each other, and both have 6.5" of rear travel...SC was a little optimistic on their 7" claim for the Bullit. I think many view the Bullit as some heavy, extreme hucker. Maybe in '99 when it first came out it was pretty burly compared to anything else available then. Don't get me wrong...the Bullit is a very capable bike...just not in the same league as say a Banshee Scream or such. The Bullit pictured here is 32.9lbs., and the Nomad is 33.4lbs. on our shop scale. As you can see, there's not a lot of difference in component comparison or weight of the individual components. Personally I think SC would miss the boat by radically modifying the Bullit from its current setup.
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    I talked to the people at SC and while they won't give any details they say the new Bullit will be single pivot.

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    Nice bikes! I have my eye on getting a Bullit or Nomad, but I'm not sure which. Cost is a factor, which is why I'm considering a used Bullit as well. How would you compare and contrast them? (I don't mean to hijack this thread- please PM me)

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    Actually the discussion does fit into this post, as you can see how much speculation there is about the Bullit perhaps even coming back out as a VPP design and how a Nomad and Bullit compare.

    One of the best aspects of the Bullit is the weight to strength for a 6.5" travel frame...it's the same for the Nomad. The Bullit will obviously be easier to maintain and service, as it only has two fairly strong, reliable bearings. My Nomad is 5 months old with quite a few miles on it, and there hasn't been a squeak or squak out of it, but it will probably require more frequent bearing attention. The Bullit is slightly cheaper...or at least was in its prior design. I doubt that would change, because the shift to overseas production should help cost, and I really doubt SC is going to try and make the Bullit an expensive model. On the brake squat/jack issue on the Bullit, I have always thought it was a little exaggerated as to how much it affects the bike's performance. Some of that, however, will vary somewhat on how you ride and where you ride. I do notice more pedal feedback or kickback on the Bullit than the Nomad, but again, not to any troubling degree.

    Both bikes descend over really rough terrain very well, with a slight nod going to the Nomad. This touches on the Nomad's (and I guess VPP in general) most notable improvement over the Bullit. In flat or climbing situations in rough terrain, the Nomad gives the sensation of riding "on top" of the terrain in a manner quite improved over the Bullit. The Nomad is very easy to pedal over and through nasty sections. When you're cranking on the pedals in nasty terrain, the bike scoots over the stuff easily. The Bullit often feels like it wants to "hang up" or stall a bit, sometimes at the most inoportune times. The Nomad also provides this faster rolling sensation even going downhill, but it's not as dramatically noticeable in that situation.

    Do I still like my Bullits?...most definitely. Is there any place where I feel that the Bullit outperforms the Nomad?...hate to admit it, but no. I took both these bikes for a recent two week trip to Moab. The Bullit didn't get ridden. There is still a lot of quality in the Bullit, and there's definitely a lot of fun to be had riding one. However, if you have a Nomad, I'd seriously doubt you'd ride the Bullit over the Nomad except out of necessity or just to get a different experience on one of your rides. The Nomad is that good.

    I feel that SC will continue to make the Bullit as a simple single pivot at a good price point. Up to now they've been practically indestructible and easy to service. I'll bet the new one will fit the same bill.

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    TNC-I sure do hope you're right. After trying to convince myself that I'll never ride a fully (), I love my BUllit. It's just so damn versatile. It definitely isn't the best bike for anything, but the best for everything, IMO. I like to take a platform (the Bullit) and push it to it's (or my) limit in every respect. This summer, I plan on doing 7hr+ epics in the mountains to DH races, using essentially the same setup minus a change in tires, pedals, and shuttle position. The bike is so stable, yet flickable. I'm clearing gaps that I thought would trouble me forever.

    Catharsis over...
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    I know that to some degree I'm beating a dead horse but I'll always wonder if geometry has more to do with a bike's capabilities than its suspension design. I bring this up because I've noticed that the single pivot bikes have shorter wheelbases than the vpp bikes and I wonder if this is part of the reason for their ride differences. In Dirt magazine they rave about the Orange 224 and how it works so well, period( not just for a single pivot bike, but any bike). Orange had made some changes to leverage ratios and pivot placement that seem to really have helped out this bike and it gets me wondering just how good a single pivot can be when done right. Of course I have to keep in mind that the Orange is not built for normal trail speeds and maybe that is also part of the reason it works so well (it never goes slow). Anyway, my point is that I really hope that SC fine tunes the geometry of the Bullit to make even better than it is already.
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    Yes geometry affects the handling of a bike but as much as the suspension design. Compare the Heckler to the Blur LT the numbers are almost exactly the same but they do not handle alike because the different suspension designs.

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    Still no word about the 07 Bullit yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cal2az
    Still no word about the 07 Bullit yet?

    NOPE

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNC
    Those are good saddles for lots of types of riding. Not too comfortable for long, XC, sit-and-pedal rides, but if it's technical terrain, they're pretty good. Reminds me of the saddle on my old Honda XR dirt motorcycle. No one can judge pedals, shoes, or saddles for another rider...they either work for ya or they don't.
    Is that a titec hellbent seat post?
    I'm long in the torso so that looks interesting.

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    Brand New Bullit

    Just got this baby in last week, built it up for a friend of mine, it is has the 06 Santa Cruz XO All Mountain group. Marzocchi Z1 light up front. It weighed in at 34lbs. What a nice bike. This was the first ride, he took it on Gooseberry Mesa and loved it!

    I think the Bullit, even in its current configuration, is still in the top of its class.

    My wish list for the new Bullit would be maybe a floating brake as standard issue, and that would be about it. Nothing wrong with the current Bullit, maybe some cool design change but the pivot point, the geometry are all perfect. Now that I think about it, maybe a travel adjust point to go from 5 inches to 8 inches of travel variable adjustment, so you could have anything in between.
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    Bullit Weight

    Wow, that is a nice looking Bullit but I have to wonder about the weight of that bike. My large Heckler is specked almost exactly the same as that Bullit except that I have a DHX 5.0 Coil which is quite a bit lighter than that 5th Element and my Heckler weighs a hair under 35LBS. I do have heavier Mavic D521 rims mounted to Hadley hubs, a Stans No Tubes kit and a 2.5F/2.3R Nevegal tires. Here's a picture for the sake of comparison.
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    Weight

    It could have been closer to 35lbs. We weighed it on one of these cheep spring hanging type scales, but it has been pretty close usually. I can throw it on our nice UPS scales next time and give out the exact weight. But regardles, it is a nice bike, weighing in at the same as my Nomad.

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    Yes, it is a very nice Bullit

    Yes, that is a very nice Bullit. I have a Bullit as well that is about 43LBS but has a 66RC 170 on the front, Deemax Wheels with Michelin Downhill tires and a Brake Therapy Floating Brake. The floater is awesome. My feeling was the floating brake is the only thing the Bullit needed as an upgrade. You mentioned adjustable travel and that would be nice too but it does not seem to be a trend that Santa Cruz follows. The only floater that I've seem them use was on V10's as an option and it was not executed very well.

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    Bullits can be brought down in weight to the 32-34 pound range fairly easily without being very fragile. The air shock helps...CrossMax XL wheels...tires in the 700-800g range...etc. The red one is 32.6lbs., and the polished one is 32.9lbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 67degrees
    ... a DHX 5.0 Coil which is quite a bit lighter than that 5th Element ...
    3 grams! According to my scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shuntavi
    It could have been closer to 35lbs. We weighed it on one of these cheep spring hanging type scales, but it has been pretty close usually. I can throw it on our nice UPS scales next time and give out the exact weight. But regardles, it is a nice bike, weighing in at the same as my Nomad.

    Here is another pic.
    That's a boat load of spacers on that steerer tube!

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    Spacers

    When I sell a bike or build one up I always leave the steerer tube extra long, throw on a bunch of spacers and let the client try it out before chopping it off. It is their decision. Most want to keep them long and throw the spacers on top and experiment with a few different heights before the final cut. It is a lot easier to remove than to add! Unless of course you have a Park Tool steerer tube stretcher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shuntavi
    Unless of course you have a Park Tool steerer tube stretcher.
    Haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sov
    How about something like this?
    this is a big bad FAKE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifer
    That's exactly why I'm checking the forum. My '03 will probably keep rolling indefinately, but I'm still curious. Anybody out there ever broken a Bullit? I love my Bullit, but frames don't last forever, and I'm hoping they don't change it too much.
    I had a 2001 frame(old design) My rear triangle broke across the pivot parallel to the clamp bolt after 4 years of abusive riding, and My top tube broke in half a couple inches from the head tube last month. A few hundie later and I am on one of the last produced frames. Still love the bike, the brake therapy was definitely the key upgrade. I guess I am a moderately big kid, 200lbs, but I don't always hit the trannie if you know what I mean.

    Anyone else broke yer bullit?

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    I contacted Santa Cruz via email regarding the 2007 Bullit, hoping in vain that they might have a prototype pic, sketch, hint or any information (yeah, right...) and they wrote the following: "The new Bullit will not be released until 2007. We do not expect to have finalized details available until around the beginning of '07." It was worth a try.

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    I emailed and got
    'All I can say right now is that it will be single pivot but more details will be released as we get them. Watch this space!'
    I don't think i'll be able to wait indefinately, if i get enough saved for a new frame before there's any news i may have to look for something else.

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    I saw a ton of Bullits rocking it out at Highland Mtn this past weekend. Nothing wronf with the old one.. I wished they had just kept that one.
    Pedalling the goods since 2002.
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    Current Bullit Geometry

    Quote Originally Posted by Kerry
    I know that to some degree I'm beating a dead horse but I'll always wonder if geometry has more to do with a bike's capabilities than its suspension design. I bring this up because I've noticed that the single pivot bikes have shorter wheelbases than the vpp bikes and I wonder if this is part of the reason for their ride differences. In Dirt magazine they rave about the Orange 224 and how it works so well, period( not just for a single pivot bike, but any bike). Orange had made some changes to leverage ratios and pivot placement that seem to really have helped out this bike and it gets me wondering just how good a single pivot can be when done right. Of course I have to keep in mind that the Orange is not built for normal trail speeds and maybe that is also part of the reason it works so well (it never goes slow). Anyway, my point is that I really hope that SC fine tunes the geometry of the Bullit to make even better than it is already.
    I think Santa Cruz has the geometry pretty well dialed in for the Bullit. They did an update mid 2005 when the increased the travel, beefed up the frame a bit, added the 5th Element and made the bike disk only,oh, they rerouted the cable guides too. Anyhow, it has pretty much perfect geometry for what the bike was intended for. The Bullit is like the original All Mountain bike.

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    Wasn't that 03 ?

    Quote Originally Posted by 67degrees
    I think Santa Cruz has the geometry pretty well dialed in for the Bullit. They did an update mid 2005 when the increased the travel, beefed up the frame a bit, added the 5th Element and made the bike disk only,oh, they rerouted the cable guides too. Anyhow, it has pretty much perfect geometry for what the bike was intended for. The Bullit is like the original All Mountain bike.
    Anyway im also hanging to see the new bullit and im happy to hear it is going to be single pivot. My big bike is a 03 Bullit (new style frame) and although i love it im still looking to upgrade to a VP3 or Hopefully the new Bullit if it can live up to my expectations.. I wonder if many other bikes have been as antisipated as the New "BULLIT".

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    Vp3 ?

    Hey Chunky!

    What is the VP3 that you mentioned?

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    I think he means the vp free, if you say it quick enough it sounds the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ben_stamp
    I think he means the vp free, if you say it quick enough it sounds the same.
    Yeh sorry i did mean the VP FREE, its the txt thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forceyoda
    Yes geometry affects the handling of a bike but as much as the suspension design. Compare the Heckler to the Blur LT the numbers are almost exactly the same but they do not handle alike because the different suspension designs.
    Could you please expand upon this? The LT and Heckler are on my short list and I'm about to pull the trigger. I'm also looking at a Motolite as well. I want something I can ride all day and still play with when I see something technical. Drops aren't as important as I've got dirt bikes to satisfy my jumping need. I can see the occasional 3-4 foot rock/ledge drop though. Thanks in advance for the feedback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNC
    Bullits can be brought down in weight to the 32-34 pound range fairly easily without being very fragile.
    Absolutely. Mine weighs about 32 lbs.



    Tighten up the compression damping and race her xc. Get top ten. Soften it back up and ride the snot out her. She always comes back for more. Best bike I've ever ridden. I'll keep mine until it falls apart.

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    the best bike ever

    even with its 37-38 pounds
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    Attention: " Santa Cruz Bicycles"

    Hi I was hoping to get some attention from someone at SC headquarters or someone else "in the know" about the up and coming new 07 Bullit ?? Please let out some more info or pics or geometry details, just something to satisfy my lack of Patients.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUNKY NUGGET
    Hi I was hoping to get some attention from someone at SC headquarters or someone else "in the know" about the up and coming new 07 Bullit ?? Please let out some more info or pics or geometry details, just something to satisfy my lack of Patients.
    Are you a doctor?

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    Damn, you beat me to it

    I was going to ask the same thing!


    Quote Originally Posted by MRfire
    Are you a doctor?

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    HAHA you guys suck, i hate it when i spack out like that. Its the Beer you know it has nothing to do with my Stoopidness

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUNKY NUGGET
    HAHA you guys suck, i hate it when i spack out like that. Its the Beer you know it has nothing to do with my Stoopidness
    Wow...you drink early!!

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    Hello I am new here. I work in the cycling industry ( have for the last 17+ years ).

    I talked to the head honcho at Santa Cruz ( who I've known since way back in the Santa Cruz day back when it was just the Tazmon frame ) early last year and I was ready to but a Bullit from him and he told me about a new Bullit. He wouldnt tell me anything about it except to tell me that you know how we do, If it wasnt going to be better than the current Bullit we wouldnt make it. I was told that it would be single pivot. I believe that simply because he told me. I cant imagine them making a bike that would fall in between the Noman and the VP Free. I am waiting to see what they do because I have a Chameleon and its the best handling hardtail I have ever had. Its gonna be between whatever Santa Cruz does and the new Cannondale Perp for me. Pretty much I ride Santa Cruz and C'dale right now.

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    Na its no biggy, im a Aussie when you guys are gettin up in the morn' im going to bed, anyway all we do in OZ is drink and ride its a National Past-time. Now you know why all our Aussie riders are fast! Yep they're Drunk. Anyway what is this pick on CHUNKY day?not that i dont luv a good sh!t stir

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    Quote Originally Posted by Airhammer
    Hello I am new here. I work in the cycling industry ( have for the last 17+ years ).

    I talked to the head honcho at Santa Cruz ( who I've known since way back in the Santa Cruz day back when it was just the Tazmon frame ) early last year and I was ready to but a Bullit from him and he told me about a new Bullit. He wouldnt tell me anything about it except to tell me that you know how we do, If it wasnt going to be better than the current Bullit we wouldnt make it. I was told that it would be single pivot. I believe that simply because he told me. I cant imagine them making a bike that would fall in between the Noman and the VP Free. I am waiting to see what they do because I have a Chameleon and its the best handling hardtail I have ever had. Its gonna be between whatever Santa Cruz does and the new Cannondale Perp for me. Pretty much I ride Santa Cruz and C'dale right now.
    That was so insightful.....

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    G'day AIR HAMMER, since you know the head honcho at SANTACRUZ it'd be great if you'd give him a call and see if you can get the scoop on the Bullit. Im surprised no-ones seen the proto yet.

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    I'll call him today and see if he will give me any details. Knowing him he will probably make we wait until the trade show and try and make me come to the dirt demo day to ride it

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUNKY NUGGET
    Na its no biggy, im a Aussie when you guys are gettin up in the morn' im going to bed, anyway all we do in OZ is drink and ride its a National Past-time. Now you know why all our Aussie riders are fast! Yep they're Drunk. Anyway what is this pick on CHUNKY day?not that i dont luv a good sh!t stir
    Nah, just messin with ya. I could use a Fosters right now....

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    No answer yet, but if I get some information that I can share I will share it.

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    2007 Bullit??? Anybody heard/scene anything?

    Here you can see some pictures of the 2007 Bullit (1.5)

    http://www.azfreeride.com/?q=node/99
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    Quote Originally Posted by Racillo
    Here you can see some pictures of the 2007 Bullit (1.5)

    http://www.azfreeride.com/?q=node/99
    As per the pictures, it's still a single pivot. Save your $$$ for 2007 new year.

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    kind of nice

    It is that truth!!!??? But I still tink the "old" bullit swingarm is better looking.

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    2007 bullit

    Quote Originally Posted by MqtRider
    Seems it's going through some changes. My guess is that it'll have a hydroform top tube like the V10 and Nomad. Might even show up at Sea Otter. Keep those eyes and camera peeled.
    here's the goods from a reliable source who got his hands on an early production frame:
    traditional tubing, double-triangle design, with similar high single pivot.
    7-8" travel.
    150mm rear end.
    external bb-type system (ie. external bearings) at main pivot (very clever, should be stiffer - although i've had bad luck with the bearings in these).
    well priced.
    that's all i could get out of him for now.
    coming soon...

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    Mmm sounds Good, youve gotta wonder if its the 1 in the pics gettin around. Though the Frame in the pics didnt have shock adjustment like a shock shuttle, maybe you swap out different length shocks? Maybe its the new Heckler in the pics.
    I like the option of 7" or 8" travel and im cool with 150mm rear end, i hope its not a 1.5 headset but.

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    It is going to have a 1.5 headtube

    Quote Originally Posted by CHUNKY NUGGET
    Mmm sounds Good, youve gotta wonder if its the 1 in the pics gettin around. Though the Frame in the pics didnt have shock adjustment like a shock shuttle, maybe you swap out different length shocks? Maybe its the new Heckler in the pics.
    I like the option of 7" or 8" travel and im cool with 150mm rear end, i hope its not a 1.5 headset but.

    It is going to have a 1.5 headtube. I got that direct from Santa Cruz. They would not say if the picture of the green frame that's been floating around was or was not the new Bullit. So, it could be the new Heckler,the Bullit or neither. We'll find out in early spring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 67degrees
    They would not say if the picture of the green frame that's been floating around was or was not the new Bullit. So, it could be the new Heckler,the Bullit or neither. We'll find out in early spring.
    Those pics are genuine. As I understand it SC were to debut the new Bullit at the Sea Otter, but because of those pics they are going to announce the bike sooner (I got the impression of weeks, not monthsm when I spoke last week to a friend of mine). I think Zap Espinosa is getting all excited about his first product launch Either way, given they were plannig a Sea Otter showing, I wouldn't expect production to be that far advanced yet, so I'd be guessing summer availability.

    But hey, its all rumour ATM so who knows!

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    Anybody heard anything ?

    You mean besides this - http://www.santacruzbicycles.com/mail/2007bullit.html ?

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    NICE, worth the wait for sure

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    Very nice...

    ...but I'm not ready to give up my '03 over it. Seems most of the changes are cosmetic. I guess you could say that its more versitile with the axle and fork choices. I'm more concerned with issues like durability and geometry. Maybe its just me, but the new swingarm design looks a bit more fragile, especially around the pivot bearings. Time will tell. They don't mention anything about a weight improvement, so I doubt that there's a significant change there. Just looking at it with its 1.5 set up, larger bearings and extra material here and there, I wouldn't be surprised if it were a little heavier. Anyone out there have the previous geometry specs to compare?
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    Old geometry

    Quote Originally Posted by lifer
    Anyone out there have the previous geometry specs to compare?
    Based on 7" travel fork (544mm a/c)

    S - M- L- XL

    Top tube: 21.2" - 22.8" - 23.8"- 24.8"
    Head tube: 4.25" - 4.75" - 5.10" - 5.75"
    Seat tube: 14.5" - 17.0" - 19.0" - 20.5"
    Head tube °: 68 - 69.3°
    Seat tube °: 69 . 70.3°
    Wheelbase: 40.5" - 41.9" - 43.0" - 43.7"
    Chainstay: 17"
    BB height: 14.1 - 14.8"
    Standover: 29.7" - 30.2" - 30.5" - 30.7"

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    Thanks Steve....

    Quote Originally Posted by Santa Cruiser
    Based on 7" travel fork (544mm a/c)

    S - M- L- XL

    Top tube: 21.2" - 22.8" - 23.8"- 24.8"
    Head tube: 4.25" - 4.75" - 5.10" - 5.75"
    Seat tube: 14.5" - 17.0" - 19.0" - 20.5"
    Head tube °: 68 - 69.3°
    Seat tube °: 69 . 70.3°
    Wheelbase: 40.5" - 41.9" - 43.0" - 43.7"
    Chainstay: 17"
    BB height: 14.1 - 14.8"
    Standover: 29.7" - 30.2" - 30.5" - 30.7"
    Yours specs reminded me of the shuttle shock mount. I don't see one on the new frame. That takes back some versatility points. The 1.5 HT is nothing but extra weight to me since I'm a Zokie guy. I'm running a 7 year old King headset and have no need to replace it or fuss with reducer cups, though I hear from King that they will be making 1.5 headsets soon...
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    I'm hoping it's the camera angle...

    ....But it almost looks like the swingarm (near the shock mount) is closer to the seat tube on the drive side. I had issues like that with an Ellsworth years ago
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    So here it is now...the one we been waiting for;



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    Sweet! Not ready to give up the VP-Free for it tho.
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    I wonder what the eye-to-eye and stroke are for the shock?

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    I contacted Santa Cruz before I put a CCDB on my '03

    Quote Originally Posted by iscariot
    I wonder what the eye-to-eye and stroke are for the shock?
    ...They said current shocks will work with the new frame
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    Green Bikes

    Well, I think the Santa Cruz guys must have caught a glimpse of my custom powder coated Bullit and decided that green was a cool color. My Bullit has been an awesome bike and I am happy to see the new model has not changed that much. I think the changes Santa Cruz made are all positive as well. I'm not sure about the 1.5 head tube but I've never tried one before. I would imagine it makes the front end stronger if nothing else. I wish they would come back out with that Apple Green color. I wonder what the two ano colors will be?

    Here's my 2004 model. Not that different than the 2007.
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