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    2007 Bullit??? Anybody heard/scene anything?

    Seems it's going through some changes. My guess is that it'll have a hydroform top tube like the V10 and Nomad. Might even show up at Sea Otter. Keep those eyes and camera peeled.

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    That's exactly why I'm checking the forum. My '03 will probably keep rolling indefinately, but I'm still curious. Anybody out there ever broken a Bullit? I love my Bullit, but frames don't last forever, and I'm hoping they don't change it too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MqtRider
    Seems it's going through some changes. My guess is that it'll have a hydroform top tube like the V10 and Nomad. Might even show up at Sea Otter. Keep those eyes and camera peeled.

    I heard from a local SC rep that there should be one at Sea Otter. Guess we will have to wait and see now won't we.

    When I asked if it was going to have the swooping top tube like the V10/Nomad......he said "No comment" with a little grin. So take that how you wanna.

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    You know, there was a couple little things they could've tweaked on the bullit, but by and large the bike works fine. I agree that maybe replacable dropouts and maybe a swinglink should be added, but I hope they dont **** it all up by adding one of those stupid, nad-crushing top tubes.
    Why would they do that? People were still buying bullits. They're great. I hope mine lasts a long time and that the new ones arent too much different so I can get another without rendering myself sterile.

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    Good job! Bullit Redoux

    I love my Bullit and instead of buying a new bike I decided to complete update my bike. The only thing that I think the Bullit needed was a Floating Brake. I personally don't think it needs replaceable dropouts unless you wanted to have different dropouts available for standard QR or the option of adding a 12mm Through axle. Anyhow, I hope they don't change them much. Here is my re-done 2004 model and it is only waiting for the new Juicy's to arrive to be finished.
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    That's a pretty bike....thanks for sharing!

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    Thanks

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    I'm very pleased with the way it turned out!

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    Did you get that puppy repainted? Sweet bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lifer
    That's exactly why I'm checking the forum. My '03 will probably keep rolling indefinately, but I'm still curious. Anybody out there ever broken a Bullit? I love my Bullit, but frames don't last forever, and I'm hoping they don't change it too much.
    Cracked mine at the rear triangle where the dropout meets the tubular sections on the brake side. Sent my 3-year old broken frame to SC along with $500 and got a brand new frame!
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    Repainted?

    Hey, thanks for the compliments! Well, I did not get it painted but did get it powder coated. I've been kicking around the idea of getting a Nomad but just have not been able to bring myself to do it. I have had this Bullit for a couple of years and love the bike. I've felt that the only thing a Bullit needed to be perfect was a floating brake to eliminate the brake jack. If you are off the brakes the Bullit is super plush but once you engage the rear brake on steep rutted and rocky downhills you can feel the rear stiffen up and kind of bounce over things. Not very confidence inspiring. I've been pretty sick since the end of January, caught Whooping Caugh, and have not been able to ride. So, I decided to spend the time upgrading just about everything on my bike. First I picked up a Brake Therapy floating brake kit. It was scuba yellow before and I really did not like the color so I took the whole bike apart. Spent a couple of weeks talking to different powder coating companies and deciding on a color. I wanted something completely different from any other Bullits that I've seen. I decided on this color that Dupont makes in a high gloss polyester powder called Evergreen. I ordered the sticker kit direct from Santa Cruz. I rode it for the first time today. This bike is SICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The floater makes an incredible difference. It is like a completely different bike. I had a 888RC on here before and it was sweet but I picked up a 66RC to lighten it up a bit and it is better than the 888RC. Just as plush with the same travel but the air assist for preload is awesome by eliminating any brake dive. It is the perfect fork for the Bullit. I can't wait till I am 100% well again so I can take it out for several hours of thrashing. The Bullit is out of production and being redesigned by Santa Cruz. I have to wonder if they will add a floating brake option when re-released. I hear they are going to have one of the new models at Sea Otter so I'll find out in a couple of weeks and of course, pictures will be posted on here of whatever I see there.

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    I contacted SC via E-mail and they told me that nothing had been finalized for the new bullit yet except that it will be a single pivot. They also said that it should be out by the fall. I hope they dont change it too much.

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    Man i cant wait to see the new Bullit, ive tried to block it outa my mind since i first heard it was happening. I own a 03 so maybe its time to upgrade? Oh yeh my fingers are crossed it doesnt have a hydroformed top tube, i hate em! they look yuk and seem a hinderance, maybe if SC hydroformed them downwards not like a hump?? wheres the logic?
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    What i really want to know is how much travel it will have. The old one had 170mm of claimed travel? Now that the nomad has 165mm/ 6.5''and is used frequently as a trail bike (and to mind mind has stolen the aggro trail soul of the heckler) does this mean the bullit should be pushing more towards the single pivot Vpfree territory? my bets (and hopes) are an 8.5inch free/dh type ride. the reason i reckon this is because when they said they were going to do a VPP bullit we got the Vpfree and not the nomad

    Then they just need to re-tread the heckler to 6.5 '' and the SL to 5'' and SC has the full range of single pivots to match the vpp.

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    I agree that they need to align the single pivot bikes with the VPP bikes but why not leave the Bullit at 6.5-7 inches of travel and bring back the Super Eight as well? The greatest attribute of the Bullit was its versatility, something it would loose if it starts to push the eight inch travel mark. I am hoping that Sea Otter will have a proto type.

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    I agree about not upping the travel. I love that my DH bike is also my XC bike, and I aint no Mark Wier so climbing 3000 feet on a VP Free aint my idea of a good time...

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    Rather than having redundancy in SC's line-up, I hope they keep the Heckler and Bullit to fill the gaps in an affordable way. With three bikes, they can cover the entire spectrum, with some overlap: Superlight-XC/Trail, Heckler-Trail/AM, and Bullit-FR/DH

    I pray they only make some basic changes, but keep the Bullit's soul where it's at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intheways
    Rather than having redundancy in SC's line-up, I hope they keep the Heckler and Bullit to fill the gaps in an affordable way. With three bikes, they can cover the entire spectrum, with some overlap: Superlight-XC/Trail, Heckler-Trail/AM, and Bullit-FR/DH

    I pray they only make some basic changes, but keep the Bullit's soul where it's at.
    I agree with that...With the generation of long travel trailbikes, The Bullit still fits to gap of AM/FR setup...

    Mine is 36lbs with Z150FR, a Deemax wheels and 2.35tires makes it a real and perfect AM bike...
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    I think that the Heckler is capable of being the AM/light freeride bike but as it is currently i think that the 140mm of travel is a little short for the freeride side when compared to the competition. If they would bump it up to 150-160MM i would be the first to buy one.

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    Just got back from day one at Sea Otter, I didn't see any new proto type bikes from santa cruz or the new version of the bullit. I don't know if its going to show up or not, but if it does I will take some pics and post them up here. Right now the outlook doesn't look good but we got 3 more days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whoaohohohoh
    Just got back from day one at Sea Otter, I didn't see any new proto type bikes from santa cruz or the new version of the bullit. I don't know if its going to show up or not, but if it does I will take some pics and post them up here. Right now the outlook doesn't look good but we got 3 more days.
    Keep us posted...I am sure the closer you get to the weekend, more stuff will prevail.

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    Got back early from day 2 of sea otter, still no luck. Santa Cruz did however manage to mount the manitou fork on there show chamelon backwards, which i thought was pretty bad.

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    I just want to add my new Bullit to this thread....I am very proud of it!

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    you proud of that seat? G-zus!

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    Yep, I like it! It's my bike, you don't have to ride it... I am used to a seat like that...I had a SDG Big-Boy before that....just something that I am used to.

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    Anyone heard anything more? I wouldn't be surprised if it has around 180mm rear travel to match the 2007 66 forks and the new rs totem, they may even go for a 1.5 headtube for the travis and 1.5 steerer totem, they experimented with 1.5 steerers on the vp free but don't seem to have put them into production, maybe this will turn up on the new bullit. I would also like to see a rear rs maxle either in a 135mm or 150mm spacing, 135mm would be better cos then the bb could stay at 73mm not the 83mm that is really required for a 150mm rear end, there arent enough 'all mountain' cranks available for 83mm yet as far as i'm aware, at least not with a hollowtech 2 or x-type setup.
    Just a few thoughts, Ben.
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    Don't worry.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Peru
    Yep, I like it! It's my bike, you don't have to ride it... I am used to a seat like that...I had a SDG Big-Boy before that....just something that I am used to.
    Those are good saddles for lots of types of riding. Not too comfortable for long, XC, sit-and-pedal rides, but if it's technical terrain, they're pretty good. Reminds me of the saddle on my old Honda XR dirt motorcycle. No one can judge pedals, shoes, or saddles for another rider...they either work for ya or they don't.
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    The only thing I don't like about the 1.5 trend (for lack of a better word) is the fact that with my forks, I would have to use reducer cups hence negating the purpose right? Unless I go out and buy a new fork (right, like THAT'S going to happen) that has a 1.5 tube, it makes no sense to me. Am I the only one that thinks like this?
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    [QUOTE=TNC]Those are good saddles for lots of types of riding. Not too comfortable for long, XC, sit-and-pedal rides, but if it's technical terrain, they're pretty good. Reminds me of the saddle on my old Honda XR dirt motorcycle. No one can judge pedals, shoes, or saddles for another rider...they either work for ya or they don't.[/QUOTE


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Peru
    The only thing I don't like about the 1.5 trend (for lack of a better word) is the fact that with my forks, I would have to use reducer cups hence negating the purpose right? Unless I go out and buy a new fork (right, like THAT'S going to happen) that has a 1.5 tube, it makes no sense to me. Am I the only one that thinks like this?
    You actually get more benefits with a 1.5 head tube if you use 1 1/8 steerer forks, if you use a reducing headset instead of reducer cups and a normal headset you get loads of larger bearings for your fork to spin on, also if you use one of the cane creek 'flush' headsets you can reduce the height of your front end by having the entire headset inside the steerer. The weld area of a 1.5 headtube is also larger resulting in stronger front end to the frame.
    These were the advantages i like the idea of however it's always nice to know you can just plug in a king headset and be done with it on most frames.

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    How about something like this?
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    Nice! I think i would prefer it to stay tubular though, i have a patriot at the moment and it's really noisy. If it were to acquire a 'hump' i would prefer the bike to be a bit less beefy in the front and a bit more so at the back than sov's impression above which i suppose is likely seeing as he has used a heckler rear and a v10 front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby Peru
    I just want to add my new Bullit to this thread....I am very proud of it!
    Wow that is schaweet! I have a white one with Shiver fork and the floating brake from therapy components!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sov
    How about something like this?

    Dang, add a multi-position shock shuttle and you just might have it

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    I read from our local forum that SC will transform the Bullit into a VPP Bullit

    I don't believe it so I'll ask again here for any updates on this thread
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    I don't know why they would do that. There is no space between Nomad or VP free for another bike in the VPP segment. There is room above Heckler in the single pivot segment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullit_cn
    I read from our local forum that SC will transform the Bullit into a VPP Bullit

    I don't believe it so I'll ask again here for any updates on this thread
    This comment relates to the introduction of the vp free which santa cruz consider to be a vpp bullit type of bike, you must have read it from an old thread. The new bullit will be single pivot and have more travel than the heckler, 170-180mm hopefully

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sov
    How about something like this?
    yuck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullit_cn
    I read from our local forum that SC will transform the Bullit into a VPP Bullit

    I don't believe it so I'll ask again here for any updates on this thread
    I've read in a French MountainBike Magazine that SC will bring out an beefed up Nomad with more travel. Would they call it Bullit?

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    Bullit and Nomad.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullit_cn
    I read from our local forum that SC will transform the Bullit into a VPP Bullit

    I don't believe it so I'll ask again here for any updates on this thread
    I have a couple of Bullits and a Nomad. Currently the Nomad and one of the Bullits are built in almost carbon copies of each other...pics shown. I think the Nomad is already a Bullit VPP. The frames weigh almost exactly the same as each other, and both have 6.5" of rear travel...SC was a little optimistic on their 7" claim for the Bullit. I think many view the Bullit as some heavy, extreme hucker. Maybe in '99 when it first came out it was pretty burly compared to anything else available then. Don't get me wrong...the Bullit is a very capable bike...just not in the same league as say a Banshee Scream or such. The Bullit pictured here is 32.9lbs., and the Nomad is 33.4lbs. on our shop scale. As you can see, there's not a lot of difference in component comparison or weight of the individual components. Personally I think SC would miss the boat by radically modifying the Bullit from its current setup.
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    I talked to the people at SC and while they won't give any details they say the new Bullit will be single pivot.

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    Nice bikes! I have my eye on getting a Bullit or Nomad, but I'm not sure which. Cost is a factor, which is why I'm considering a used Bullit as well. How would you compare and contrast them? (I don't mean to hijack this thread- please PM me)

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    Actually the discussion does fit into this post, as you can see how much speculation there is about the Bullit perhaps even coming back out as a VPP design and how a Nomad and Bullit compare.

    One of the best aspects of the Bullit is the weight to strength for a 6.5" travel frame...it's the same for the Nomad. The Bullit will obviously be easier to maintain and service, as it only has two fairly strong, reliable bearings. My Nomad is 5 months old with quite a few miles on it, and there hasn't been a squeak or squak out of it, but it will probably require more frequent bearing attention. The Bullit is slightly cheaper...or at least was in its prior design. I doubt that would change, because the shift to overseas production should help cost, and I really doubt SC is going to try and make the Bullit an expensive model. On the brake squat/jack issue on the Bullit, I have always thought it was a little exaggerated as to how much it affects the bike's performance. Some of that, however, will vary somewhat on how you ride and where you ride. I do notice more pedal feedback or kickback on the Bullit than the Nomad, but again, not to any troubling degree.

    Both bikes descend over really rough terrain very well, with a slight nod going to the Nomad. This touches on the Nomad's (and I guess VPP in general) most notable improvement over the Bullit. In flat or climbing situations in rough terrain, the Nomad gives the sensation of riding "on top" of the terrain in a manner quite improved over the Bullit. The Nomad is very easy to pedal over and through nasty sections. When you're cranking on the pedals in nasty terrain, the bike scoots over the stuff easily. The Bullit often feels like it wants to "hang up" or stall a bit, sometimes at the most inoportune times. The Nomad also provides this faster rolling sensation even going downhill, but it's not as dramatically noticeable in that situation.

    Do I still like my Bullits?...most definitely. Is there any place where I feel that the Bullit outperforms the Nomad?...hate to admit it, but no. I took both these bikes for a recent two week trip to Moab. The Bullit didn't get ridden. There is still a lot of quality in the Bullit, and there's definitely a lot of fun to be had riding one. However, if you have a Nomad, I'd seriously doubt you'd ride the Bullit over the Nomad except out of necessity or just to get a different experience on one of your rides. The Nomad is that good.

    I feel that SC will continue to make the Bullit as a simple single pivot at a good price point. Up to now they've been practically indestructible and easy to service. I'll bet the new one will fit the same bill.

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    TNC-I sure do hope you're right. After trying to convince myself that I'll never ride a fully (), I love my BUllit. It's just so damn versatile. It definitely isn't the best bike for anything, but the best for everything, IMO. I like to take a platform (the Bullit) and push it to it's (or my) limit in every respect. This summer, I plan on doing 7hr+ epics in the mountains to DH races, using essentially the same setup minus a change in tires, pedals, and shuttle position. The bike is so stable, yet flickable. I'm clearing gaps that I thought would trouble me forever.

    Catharsis over...
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    I know that to some degree I'm beating a dead horse but I'll always wonder if geometry has more to do with a bike's capabilities than its suspension design. I bring this up because I've noticed that the single pivot bikes have shorter wheelbases than the vpp bikes and I wonder if this is part of the reason for their ride differences. In Dirt magazine they rave about the Orange 224 and how it works so well, period( not just for a single pivot bike, but any bike). Orange had made some changes to leverage ratios and pivot placement that seem to really have helped out this bike and it gets me wondering just how good a single pivot can be when done right. Of course I have to keep in mind that the Orange is not built for normal trail speeds and maybe that is also part of the reason it works so well (it never goes slow). Anyway, my point is that I really hope that SC fine tunes the geometry of the Bullit to make even better than it is already.
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    Yes geometry affects the handling of a bike but as much as the suspension design. Compare the Heckler to the Blur LT the numbers are almost exactly the same but they do not handle alike because the different suspension designs.

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    Still no word about the 07 Bullit yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cal2az
    Still no word about the 07 Bullit yet?

    NOPE

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNC
    Those are good saddles for lots of types of riding. Not too comfortable for long, XC, sit-and-pedal rides, but if it's technical terrain, they're pretty good. Reminds me of the saddle on my old Honda XR dirt motorcycle. No one can judge pedals, shoes, or saddles for another rider...they either work for ya or they don't.
    Is that a titec hellbent seat post?
    I'm long in the torso so that looks interesting.

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    Brand New Bullit

    Just got this baby in last week, built it up for a friend of mine, it is has the 06 Santa Cruz XO All Mountain group. Marzocchi Z1 light up front. It weighed in at 34lbs. What a nice bike. This was the first ride, he took it on Gooseberry Mesa and loved it!

    I think the Bullit, even in its current configuration, is still in the top of its class.

    My wish list for the new Bullit would be maybe a floating brake as standard issue, and that would be about it. Nothing wrong with the current Bullit, maybe some cool design change but the pivot point, the geometry are all perfect. Now that I think about it, maybe a travel adjust point to go from 5 inches to 8 inches of travel variable adjustment, so you could have anything in between.
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    Bullit Weight

    Wow, that is a nice looking Bullit but I have to wonder about the weight of that bike. My large Heckler is specked almost exactly the same as that Bullit except that I have a DHX 5.0 Coil which is quite a bit lighter than that 5th Element and my Heckler weighs a hair under 35LBS. I do have heavier Mavic D521 rims mounted to Hadley hubs, a Stans No Tubes kit and a 2.5F/2.3R Nevegal tires. Here's a picture for the sake of comparison.
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