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    09 Nomad sizing - L or XL at 6'2"

    I know, I know. First of all noone knows yet how these realy are.
    I know most people tend to L at 6'2" but...
    i have realy long arms and very wide shoulders.
    I have an LT2 in XL size and love it. Not a tad too long and totaly agile. I run it with 70mm 0deg and with just 3mm under the stem (36 talas@130 and 650B wheel) and 680mm Syntace Vector (just a tiny bit of rise)
    I want this Nomad to be as agile as possible (but built with coil) and always liked smaller frames but LT2 in L was just to cramped. So I am indeed very careful here plus there will be no test rides available:/
    I just made up my mind and pre-paid (comming in January) but need to call it on the size.
    Let's have it, what do you guys think?

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    I'm not a Nomad owner, so I'm sure you'll get much more accurate advice, but I always thought the Nomad had a slightly short cockpit compared to the other models.

    I'm 6' 4" with a long back & wide-ish shoulders, and I looked into Nomad sizing before I bought my XL '08 Heckler - I went with the heck mainly because of pricing but also because the angles made more sense to me.

    Like I said, I've never ridden an XL nomad so take my advice with a pinch of salt...

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    What kind of riding do you intend to do with the Nomad? I tried a buddy's L Nomad (I'm 6-4) and found the cockpit way too tight for pedaling. I have a L Bullit, but use it for DH/FR. My Heckler is an XL. If you're using it for All Mountain purposes, given your physical description, I'd go with the XL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainbckt
    What kind of riding do you intend to do with the Nomad? I tried a buddy's L Nomad (I'm 6-4) and found the cockpit way too tight for pedaling. I have a L Bullit, but use it for DH/FR. My Heckler is an XL. If you're using it for All Mountain purposes, given your physical description, I'd go with the XL.
    I'll be doing epic to aggressive trail to light FR
    I'll either leave it with Evolver (if it proves right) or build it with coil. 36talas and 650B for start, might go 36van if it proves insensitive to travel adjust. I weigh 210 w/o gear and come from pure XC racing way back (and few lbs back).
    I'll try to keep my LT2 for endurance and build it around 28lbs but might sell it if I see the Nomad can take its duties - never too much coin and two kids now.

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    I am 6' 1" and very wide shoulders also, and rode the 09 nomad at Vegas dirt demo. It fit perfectly with I think a 75mm stem with a lyrik and a pearl rear shock. It is more all mountain than the old nomad, with a bit less travel and quicker feeling. It seems on paper to be very close to the LT2.

    The Nomad rocks second only to the Knolly Endo. You may want to look at the Tracer VP is was very fast and agile for a 6x6 with the 5.5 option its like a cross between the Nomad and the BLT2. So you could have one bike and maybe switch wheels sets/ wheels for heavy and light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motoguru2007
    I am 6' 1" and very wide shoulders also, and rode the 09 nomad at Vegas dirt demo. It fit perfectly with I think a 75mm stem with a lyrik and a pearl rear shock. It is more all mountain than the old nomad, with a bit less travel and quicker feeling. It seems on paper to be very close to the LT2.
    Sweet but what size did you demoed?:P

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    I'm sticking with my original answer. The top tube length on the L Blur LT is actually slightly longer than the Nomad (23.5 vs. 23.3), so if the L Blur LT feels cramped, the L Nomad will probably feel cramped as well. The XL Blur LT is 24.5, vs. 23.8 for the XL Nomad, so you're still tightening up the cockpit vs. what you're used to with the XL Nomad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainbckt
    I'm sticking with my original answer. The top tube length on the L Blur LT is actually slightly longer than the Nomad (23.5 vs. 23.3), so if the L Blur LT feels cramped, the L Nomad will probably feel cramped as well. The XL Blur LT is 24.5, vs. 23.8 for the XL Nomad, so you're still tightening up the cockpit vs. what you're used to with the XL Nomad.
    Well... not so with the LT2 vs Nomad2:P Which makes my choice even harder:P
    Look:
    Nomad 2 TT L=23.8" XL=24.8"
    LT2 TT L=23.5" XL=24.5"

    I am surprised as well but these are the numbers from the 09 catalog

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    demo'd the large 09 at Vegas. I had the 07 nomad and its close to the same TT, the 07 was 24"

    brainbckt you are looking at the 08 Nomad specs. I believe the 09 large is now a 23.8 TT

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    My bad. I should have read the fine print. This is a toughie, krolik. You're right on the border, both in terms of your size and intended use. If you were more FR/DH, I'd say go with the L. If you leaned XC/AM, I'd say go XL. You're smack in the middle. You could probably go either way and play with stem length to get comfortable. How's that for a wishy-washy answer?

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    Hi Krolik,

    I say try the Large. We exchanged ideas a while ago about sizing. I'm 6'3" and went with a large BLT2. I also have a 2008 Demo 7 II that feels totally short in the parking lot but just shines up at Whistler. Try the Nomad out, if you can rent one, on it's intended terrain. Flatland tests are deceptive.

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    I'm 6-0 and rock the L with 711mm wide bars and switch between a 50mm & 90mm steam depending on what type of riding I plan on doing that day. The bike came with a 100mm but I found it to be too long for me and my riding style.

    I'd say XL for the type of riding you plan on doing...and just for more input...my bro is 6-4 and rode my L and said it felt way too small for him...he currently is riding a Bullet XL (20.5") and is pondering getting a XL Nomad and transferring parts to go with something a bit more climbable for the riding in our area.
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    Thanks for all your input so far.
    I am leaning towards the L as it is only 20mm shorter then my LT2 and Xl would be 7mm longer and I don't think it should be.
    I might just look for some wider 710+ bars again (but with no or just slight rise)
    But haven't made up my mind yet.
    I am definietely going ccdb though

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    Quote Originally Posted by krolik
    Nomad 2 TT L=23.8" XL=24.8"
    LT2 TT L=23.5" XL=24.5"

    I am surprised as well but these are the numbers from the 09 catalog
    Meh, its all to complicated. I have a similar sizing issue. ATM I'm on a XL Heckler.4 (4years old) which has a 25.3" toptube according to the catalogue. I wanted something shorter (or so I thought) so for a playbike I picked up a new Chameleon on large, with a 23.5 toptube. It was way to cramped for anything more than playing about in the woods on - I couldn't move about on fireroad climbs and standing up in technical stuff resulted in my knees meeting the shifters all to often (with a 100mm stem).

    I've gone back to the Heckler now (with a 75mm stem) but I have the new bike itch and pondered a BLT2 or a new Nomad. I can't DH for **** on the XL Heckler cos my weight is to far forward (my large Bullit is spot on for proper DH, 60mm stem) so I pondered again a large, but I don't think I'd ever be happy on climbs.

    Quite why the more XC oriented BLT2 has a shorter toptube then the Nomad I know not, 'cos if it were the other way rounds it would make more sense to me and I would think an XL BLT2 would fit me great, but now I wonder if I should get a Nomad.... and the ano green *drool*

    Oh, I'm 6'3", long arms and 36" inside leg for trousers (no idea what crotch to floor is).

    Hmm, not sure this post was helpful, sorry, but heck, you never know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzboy
    Hi Krolik,

    I say try the Large. We exchanged ideas a while ago about sizing. I'm 6'3" and went with a large BLT2. I also have a 2008 Demo 7 II that feels totally short in the parking lot but just shines up at Whistler. Try the Nomad out, if you can rent one, on it's intended terrain. Flatland tests are deceptive.
    No chance unfortunately
    btw, what stem are you running on that L?

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    Quote Originally Posted by al_bullit
    Meh, its all to complicated. I have a similar sizing issue. ATM I'm on a XL Heckler.4 (4years old) which has a 25.3" toptube according to the catalogue. I wanted something shorter (or so I thought) so for a playbike I picked up a new Chameleon on large, with a 23.5 toptube. It was way to cramped for anything more than playing about in the woods on - I couldn't move about on fireroad climbs and standing up in technical stuff resulted in my knees meeting the shifters all to often (with a 100mm stem).

    I've gone back to the Heckler now (with a 75mm stem) but I have the new bike itch and pondered a BLT2 or a new Nomad. I can't DH for **** on the XL Heckler cos my weight is to far forward (my large Bullit is spot on for proper DH, 60mm stem) so I pondered again a large, but I don't think I'd ever be happy on climbs.

    Quite why the more XC oriented BLT2 has a shorter toptube then the Nomad I know not, 'cos if it were the other way rounds it would make more sense to me and I would think an XL BLT2 would fit me great, but now I wonder if I should get a Nomad.... and the ano green *drool*

    Oh, I'm 6'3", long arms and 36" inside leg for trousers (no idea what crotch to floor is).

    Hmm, not sure this post was helpful, sorry, but heck, you never know.
    It's sooo confusing:P
    Another bit to think of is the wheelbase on these. I know Nomad has a tad longer chainstays but XL nomad has 46.1" wheelbase compared to the 44.8" of the XL LT2 and together with the longer TT it could make the bike really big:/
    I am 188cm so 6'17" to be exact, 200cm(79") arm reach tip-to-tip, 35.5" croach to floor (normaly wearing 34" trousers)
    Light FR is the worsed this bike will see so I don't need a pure play bike, more abusive trail or AM. I need to climb on it as well.
    XL LT2 with 70 0deg stem is the shortest I would like on that particular frame and feels perfect.
    So I would need the nomad2 either XL with 50 or L with 90 I guess (theory here)
    Gosh, it really is a hard one - I need to make up my mind till sunday.

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    We're pretty much the same height and weight, I'm 6'2" and about 200lbs, and the same riding style. I don't know if my arms are very long and all that, but I have an XL Nomad. I've never been on a large, but have wondered if a large would fit better at times. Riding up hills and all that I think it fits great for me. Somtimes on the downhill and with drops and jumps I've thought it feels too big. I also BMX so it might be that I get comfortable with a clown bike and then go ride my nomad. I rode my buddy's large Bullit around a trailhead once, and that felt like it would fit as well. All in all, I'm happy with the XL but I've wondered if a large would feel better. Hope this helps even with all the caveats.

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    Currently a 100mm Thomson (with Float 36 RC2) & set back seatpost. I think the original 110mm (with Pike 454) & no set back seatpost was better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzboy
    Currently a 100mm Thomson (with Float 36 RC2) & set back seatpost. I think the original 110mm (with Pike 454) & no set back seatpost was better.
    I'm against setback on SC bikes like nomad and lt as long as you use it uphill too.
    I always felt like sitting behind the bike when on setback with my cranks in front of me:/
    I will use straight for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motoguru2007
    demo'd the large 09 at Vegas. I had the 07 nomad and its close to the same TT, the 07 was 24"

    brainbckt you are looking at the 08 Nomad specs. I believe the 09 large is now a 23.8 TT
    Not to derail the thread but how was the 09 compared to the older nomad? I have an 08' and at 5'11" I am thinking of switching the frame out for an 09' for the longer top tube if the thing is as good as SC claims.
    I am dying for a ride report on that thinng!

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    Quote Originally Posted by motoguru2007
    You may want to look at the Tracer VP is was very fast and agile for a 6x6 with the 5.5 option its like a cross between the Nomad and the BLT2. So you could have one bike and maybe switch wheels sets/ wheels for heavy and light.
    This is the most useful single piece of information I've ever had about the new Tracer. I was wondering how this bike would compare with VPP2 SC bikes, and you kinda gave away the hint I wanted to hear. Could you PM me with more comments about your impressions of the Tracer, general feel, set-up on the bike you rode, etc? I just don't want to piss off the guys here with questions about non SC bikes! Thanks in advance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KO21
    We're pretty much the same height and weight, I'm 6'2" and about 200lbs, and the same riding style. I don't know if my arms are very long and all that, but I have an XL Nomad. I've never been on a large, but have wondered if a large would fit better at times. Riding up hills and all that I think it fits great for me. Somtimes on the downhill and with drops and jumps I've thought it feels too big. I also BMX so it might be that I get comfortable with a clown bike and then go ride my nomad. I rode my buddy's large Bullit around a trailhead once, and that felt like it would fit as well. All in all, I'm happy with the XL but I've wondered if a large would feel better. Hope this helps even with all the caveats.
    It is helpful. Can you measure your arms span - just stick'em out 90deg from your body to the sides and let someone measure it tip-to-tip? For comparison sake:P tia

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    Quote Originally Posted by KO21
    We're pretty much the same height and weight, I'm 6'2" and about 200lbs, and the same riding style. I don't know if my arms are very long and all that, but I have an XL Nomad. I've never been on a large, but have wondered if a large would fit better at times. Riding up hills and all that I think it fits great for me. Somtimes on the downhill and with drops and jumps I've thought it feels too big. I also BMX so it might be that I get comfortable with a clown bike and then go ride my nomad. I rode my buddy's large Bullit around a trailhead once, and that felt like it would fit as well. All in all, I'm happy with the XL but I've wondered if a large would feel better. Hope this helps even with all the caveats.
    This is the very same feeling I get on my XL Heckler. I've tried laybak posts and short stem, inline posts and long stems and combinations of both. I've tried diff sweep/rise bars and even diff length cranks (well, why not ). In the end I'm inline post, 75mm stem, 2" rise pars and just accepting that its not so nice on the downs.

    I shall have to ponder wheelbases as suggested I think. Or a longer fork...

    I should say, I have ridden a lot of other bikes too, and none ever feel better. As to trying a large Bullit XC, I did that, but the post was so far out I was sat behind the rear axle! (not literally, but you know what I mean).

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    When comparing the published specs between the new Blur LT and Nomad remember that they are based using different a2c measurements. With the same fork a2c you may find some of the numbers more similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTV8
    When comparing the published specs between the new Blur LT and Nomad remember that they are based using different a2c measurements. With the same fork a2c you may find some of the numbers more similar.
    agreed but only angles - lenghts won't right? Ok, wheelbase will but tt is constant:P

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    Quote Originally Posted by krolik
    agreed but only angles - lenghts won't right? Ok, wheelbase will but tt is constant:P
    The actual tt would be constant but it looks like Santa Cruz is posting effective tt length (horizontal line from stem to seat post). As the front end is raised or lowered due to a2c, I think this would change the horizontal measurement point to the seat tube thus possibly changing the effective tt.

    This got me thinking so I decided to try an experiment on my Heckler with a Lyrik coil. I set the lyrik to 160mm and rigged a string from the stem to the seat tube and used a level to make sure it was horizontal and took a measurement. I then lowered the lyrik to 145mm and discovered this did change the horizontal measurement point to the seat tube. After re-leveling the string I took another measurement and the effective tt length was 1/8th inch shorter between my measurement points. I then repeated this at 130mm and again the effective tt length was 1/8 inch shorter. So based on my somewhat scientific experiment, it appears that dropping my fork from 160mm to 130mm reduced my effective tt lenght by 1/4 inch between the measurement points I was using. If the head tube and seat tube angles were the same than than the tt might remain constant, but these angles are usually different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTV8
    The actual tt would be constant but it looks like Santa Cruz is posting effective tt length (horizontal line from stem to seat post). As the front end is raised or lowered due to a2c, I think this would change the horizontal measurement point to the seat tube thus possibly changing the effective tt.

    This got me thinking so I decided to try an experiment on my Heckler with a Lyrik coil. I set the lyrik to 160mm and rigged a string from the stem to the seat tube and used a level to make sure it was horizontal and took a measurement. I then lowered the lyrik to 145mm and discovered this did change the horizontal measurement point to the seat tube. After re-leveling the string I took another measurement and the effective tt length was 1/8th inch shorter between my measurement points. I then repeated this at 130mm and again the effective tt length was 1/8 inch shorter. So based on my somewhat scientific experiment, it appears that dropping my fork from 160mm to 130mm reduced my effective tt lenght by 1/4 inch between the measurement points I was using. If the head tube and seat tube angles were the same than than the tt might remain constant, but these angles are usually different.
    This is a very good point you got there. This would mean there is more simmilarity in these two, rhe LT2 and the Nomad2. And that just makes me tend to the L size even more, as I will be using a 650B wheel in the front which makes it around 15mm higher.
    (so i will have geo like with a 175mm fork and thus the effective tt will be longer, right?)

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    Hey, I just noticed SC is preparing the new nomad page right now - they have the text about the new nomad but the pic is still the classic nomad:P

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    Quote Originally Posted by krolik
    Hey, I just noticed SC is preparing the new nomad page right now - they have the text about the new nomad but the pic is still the classic nomad:P
    And have you noticed the new Logo on the top left of the page? Seems they will have it on the site real soon. Does anyone know when is the official release date? Mid or late this month?

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    Krolik, please note that seat angles are different between Nomad2 and BLT2. Nomad has much slacker angle. What it means is to preserve your leg position over the cranks (You do not like setbacks, do you?) you will have to move the saddle forward on Nomad. This move will shorten effective TT on Nomad, probably something like 0,3-0,5" so in reality the TT will be something like 23,3-23,5" on large Nomad and that is to small for you if you wish to climb effectively. Nomad and long stem is not a good combo either. So IMHO, go XL, put a short stem and ride it like hell:-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pawelw
    Krolik, please note that seat angles are different between Nomad2 and BLT2. Nomad has much slacker angle. What it means is to preserve your leg position over the cranks (You do not like setbacks, do you?) you will have to move the saddle forward on Nomad. This move will shorten effective TT on Nomad, probably something like 0,3-0,5" so in reality the TT will be something like 23,3-23,5" on large Nomad and that is to small for you if you wish to climb effectively. Nomad and long stem is not a good combo either. So IMHO, go XL, put a short stem and ride it like hell:-)

    Greetings from Poland (Szczecin) ;-)
    I'm just bouncing from one to the other:/
    I felt comfortable with 90stem on my LT2, swapping to 70 improved agility but this is as far as I would go. I am right scared to buy a bike that will be too short or to build a nomad with 110stem:/
    I guess I need to think this over again.
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    Sorry for the bump on this but facing the same problem and found this with a search. Which did you go for and how did it play out?

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    I went with the XL and am planning a 50mm stem.
    Still waiting for the darned ano frame to arrive as everyone

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    I'm 6'2" and had the same issue, i went with a large and running a 70mm stem and plenty of seatpost for xc/am. I haven't had the opportunity to ride DH or jumps yet but feel like the more compact large will be easier to manuever than the xl. Honestly, i think either one would work. I originally used a 50 mm stem but it felt to cramped. I think an XL with a 50mm would work fine. Its an awesome bike and you guys will definitely enjoy it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krolik
    I went with the XL and am planning a 50mm stem.
    Still waiting for the darned ano frame to arrive as everyone
    Hey Krolik, you may want to check this thread out....http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...15646#poststop seems there is a rumour now about that ano may not even be available!! Hope it's just that...... a rumour!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red PeeKay
    Hey Krolik, you may want to check this thread out....http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...15646#poststop seems there is a rumour now about that ano may not even be available!! Hope it's just that...... a rumour!
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    This is a damn tough decision. I am 6'1" and have been riding an 06 Blur LT XL for the past several years and have found it to be comfortable. Now am buying the new Nomad and have been told Large no XL no L no XL so many times I am confused as sh**. I weight 190 to 195 and ride in Pisgah 95% of the time and have an inseam of 34"-35". I love speed and air, but will never drop more than 6-8' to flat. I was a was an inch or two in one direction to make this decision easier. Any thoughts or follow ups from this thread.

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    Cannot help you yet - my baby will arrive May 1st :P
    I can write back on the 3rd

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    I'm 6'1" and pretty happy with my XL decision. I really wish the XL was the same as the LT2 and Heckler with 24.5 instead of 24.8. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like the 23.8" on the Large Nomad.
    "It looks flexy"

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    thanks, I think I'm going XL also....

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    Im about to plunk down some dough and order an XL Nomad. Is the consensus air or coil (looking for the least amount of pedal feedback, not worried about the negligible amount of weight)? Is the rear a standard QR or bolt/ Maxle? 160mm fork up front?

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    If your worried about weight go air. If you want plush go coil.. As far as I know the rear is standard QR (135mm) and the Nomad can handle 160-170mm up front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmhills
    Im about to plunk down some dough and order an XL Nomad. Is the consensus air or coil (looking for the least amount of pedal feedback, not worried about the negligible amount of weight)? Is the rear a standard QR or bolt/ Maxle? 160mm fork up front?
    I would recommend the 2009 (only) DHX5-Air and a Float 36. You won't want the Talas on this bike. The rear is standard size - I'm using Control Tech bolt through skewers but I want to try the DT Swiss ones as they are supposed to be the best.
    "It looks flexy"

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    Just ordered her. Red XL Nomad with red Chris King Headset and 5.0 coil. I will be building using Fox 36 Talas and all SRAM components. Will let you know more when it arrives....

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    one thing missing in many of these size-discussion threads is that they do not include handlebar width. A long w/ stem length, bar width has a huge effect on how roomy the cockpit feels.

    if i do get a nomad 2, i'm prolly going w/ a size L frame, 70 mm 0 deg stem, 710 mm bars. I'm 6' 3".

    nearly all decent bike manufacturers think thru all this stuff when deciding the geo for a given size. For the most part, I have ridden 'size Larges' from many many brands, and once they were set up right, the fit was right on -- despite the fact that the ETT, seat tube angles, etc were are different.

    SC is trying to get you in a slightly shorter cockpit than you might be used to so you can experience the advantages on the descent. But yeah, if you're 6' 2" or 6' 3", you are on the boundary line between L and XL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frorider
    one thing missing in many of these size-discussion threads is that they do not include handlebar width. A long w/ stem length, bar width has a huge effect on how roomy the cockpit feels.

    if i do get a nomad 2, i'm prolly going w/ a size L frame, 70 mm 0 deg stem, 710 mm bars. I'm 6' 3".

    nearly all decent bike manufacturers think thru all this stuff when deciding the geo for a given size. For the most part, I have ridden 'size Larges' from many many brands, and once they were set up right, the fit was right on -- despite the fact that the ETT, seat tube angles, etc were are different.

    SC is trying to get you in a slightly shorter cockpit than you might be used to so you can experience the advantages on the descent. But yeah, if you're 6' 2" or 6' 3", you are on the boundary line between L and XL.
    I agree on HB length making a huge difference. I'm on the XL, straight seatpost, 90mm stem, Easton DH bars at 28" (710mm). I think I could go to a 70 or 75mm stem and may if I end up with a Firebird Large to make the cockpit feel closer to the same. I don't like having to adjust to a different 'feel' when going from bike to bike. My enduro always felt too long but didn't steer well with a shorter than 80mm stem.
    "It looks flexy"

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    i'm also 6'2". i was fortunate enough to actually test ride an '09 nomad before making my purchase and it was a large. i was comfortable riding it but as it wasn't my very own nice expensive bike, i baby'd it for a week and then gave it back to it's rightful owner. in hindsight, i should have rallied it like i would my own bike. when we go out and do more aggressive trail and light freeride, i feel as if the cockpit is too short, my lower back hurts when i pedal uphill and i feel sketchy when i corner. all this is compared to my '08 heckler in which all modifications included a swap to 50mm stem and dhx 5.0 coil. all else was stock d am build. i felt better on descents, pedaling long distance and handling all the same trails, drops and chutes we normally ride. my new nomad is killer but being on the cusp and knowing what i do now, i should have gotten an xl, put a shorter stem on and gone all air. i ride with a dhx 5.0 coil and totem coil with the r fr build and it feels so solid and comfy on jumps and downhill. i wanted something that was solid for tahoe and some bigger stuff. i don't mind extra weight. i broke too much stuff on my heckler. i'm already a fan of how it handles bigger drops and i'm psyched and impressed on how 180mm of front suspension is utilized. when riding more normal xc trails, i often hit my knees in tight, quick corners and my lower back still hurts but i'm getting used to it. the short cockpit is my main issue. my buddy got a medium '09 and set it up all air for downhill. he's 5'10" and when i got on his i was bummed because despite the numbers, it felt just like my large. my other riding buddy is my exact same size and said my large felt too small and is now getting an xl. i envy him. all in all, i ain't complaining. it's only been 2 1/2 weeks. i've been told by numerous people that these ride and feel small and after owning mine after my xl heckler, i believe it. riding easy terrain and parking lots don't do any good. get the xl, put a shorter stem on it and ride hard. you'll love it!

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    yep, this is exactly my conclusion. i went xl &45 stem
    still, I ordered early october and will be getting it next week - I could grow twice as big in that time...

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    My XL got here yesterday. Should have the first ride on Friday night.................. Thanks for all the info, I think I am going to be glad that I got the XL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by livninctry
    My XL got here yesterday. Should have the first ride on Friday night.................. Thanks for all the info, I think I am going to be glad that I got the XL.
    At 6' 2" I was right on the borderline as per the SC site. Now having ridden my L a number of times, it is certainly tighter than my L GT, however not uncomfortably so. I do however appreciate the tighter cockpit when running downhill or humping over stuff. Don't think an XL would have suited. Will be interested to see how you find the larger size.
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