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    We don"t need no stinking Split Pivot!

    Although the new one looks really cool, I'm bummed to see the old Spearfish design go. It was simple, cheap, sturdy and super fun. It's a shame that there are less ways to get out there for less than 3k these days.

    Here's mine on a ride in Prescott, AZ this week.
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    I said the same thing to my rep. I am keeping my 2013 Horsethief another year. It is bombproof and simple in it's design! I did get a quick ride on the new one, it is very much a marketing hype to increase market share which is understandable but still, from a simplicity standpoint it makes little sense...... They put a SRAM specific BB standard in the new Beargrease as well. Still great products , just not the happiest with them this season.

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    We don"t need no stinking Split Pivot!

    Agree original Spearfish is cheap - it's made offshore. Not in a good sense: derailer hanger attachment on mine frequently became loose; graphics are cheap; finishing of brake caliper attachment, BB shell, headtube all poorly done with paint on threads, non-flat surfaces, etc. I liked my Spearfish, but it wasn't a fun bike. Also, it didn't climb steep stuff better than my Mamasita - the suspension action became locked-up and did not help traction.

    I agree they could have solved my quality gripes and lack of fun without SplitPivot, not sure about the climbing.

    Also agree bikes are getting expensive - there are some good inexpensive forks (Xfusion) and 1x10 or 11 should also cut cost, but seems these configs are self-build only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chongoman View Post
    Although the new one looks really cool, I'm bummed to see the old Spearfish design go. It was simple, cheap, sturdy and super fun. It's a shame that there are less ways to get out there for less than 3k these days.

    Here's mine on a ride in Prescott, AZ this week.
    Man, those are great fall colors! Tons of leaves on the trails here too, usually hiding something for me to crash into.

    anyway, according to ye olde QBP login, the fish 3 has an MSRP of $2750

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    I am unsure how I feel about their DW hoopla as of late. In all fairness, I haven't ridden one but to Salsa own admission a few years back, it is more expensive and not better. Everyone raves over the new model but I reserve judgement and suspect that any improvements are in geometry and/or maxles and not a BS patent that is an elementary theory every engineering text book for the last 100 years. The old design is what drew me to the Spearfish in the first place. Historically Salsa filled a niche that nobody else did, and quite frankly, I think just got it right with the intro of the Spearfish era. I go to the demos of other manufactures and their bikes just don't feel alive to me, in any price range. I hope they haven't shot themselves in the foot and ruined a true gem in an effort for more market share. When I need a new bike, I will find out.......until then, I don't have much of a reason to care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeyonthemadone View Post
    I said the same thing to my rep. I am keeping my 2013 Horsethief another year. It is bombproof and simple in it's design! I did get a quick ride on the new one, it is very much a marketing hype to increase market share which is understandable but still, from a simplicity standpoint it makes little sense...... They put a SRAM specific BB standard in the new Beargrease as well. Still great products , just not the happiest with them this season.
    What did you think of the new 'Thief? How different is it in handling and climbing, for example?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chongoman View Post
    Although the new one looks really cool, I'm bummed to see the old Spearfish design go. It was simple, cheap, sturdy and super fun. It's a shame that there are less ways to get out there for less than 3k these days.

    Here's mine on a ride in Prescott, AZ this week.
    I will hold out on calling it sturdy. I am on my second frame in less than a year.

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    We don"t need no stinking Split Pivot!

    Thinking more about this - Salsa really should bring back the Dos Niner - with flexures in material other than aluminum. I think there is a market between hardtail and FS.
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    Probably best to reserve judgement till you've ridden one. I agreed the original design had something great about it. On the other hand, I think the new design has something to do with Dave Weagle so it might be very good indeed. In 26" FS bikes I rode a Superlight for 18 months and then tried Heckler, Titus Racer-X, Nicolai Helios CC and Turner Flux over the subsequent year. The DW-link Flux was a true winner and combined the best of the rest, so a DW designed Spearfish may yet shine. The proof of the pudding will be in the eating.

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    The new 80mm multi-link bikes are great for fast and quick. The SF is a very nice bike. I just decided to go bigger--120 rear. Too much fun. Bikes are so much better than they were 10 years ago. (FS I mean)

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