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    Wished I had known that a few weeks ago when I ordered the fork cut to 130mm. Will hopefully receive my HT frame next week. Even though I with my 175lbs I will be far easier on the frame with a 540 A2C than a 300lbs rider at 530 I guess I have to remove another 10mm to not void the warranty...

    Got 3 tokens now. Did you bottom out or why did you change to 4?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter E View Post
    Got 3 tokens now. Did you bottom out or why did you change to 4?
    I prefer to run slightly lower air pressure with more LSC damping to get a really supple feel but keep the fork tall. The extra token helps it ramp up more at the end of the stroke since my initial starting pressure is lower that recommended. (We're talking all of 5psi)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarf View Post
    528-532mm A2C x 51 offset is the acceptable, tested, and certified fork range for the new Split Pivot Horsethief
    Are there any 34mm stanchion options out there besides the Pike, Revelation and Fox that fit in that range?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarf View Post
    528-532mm A2C x 51 offset is the acceptable, tested, and certified fork range for the new Split Pivot Horsethief frame. Unlike the previous version of the frame, we did not test or certify the new frame for a 140mm length fork. Please do not use a fork resulting in a longer A2C than stated above. Doing so will void your frame warranty.

    Pike, Revelation, & Fox 34 must be run at 120mm travel.
    Fox 32 & Reba should be run at 130mm.

    Pike @ 120 is real good, in my testing experience. Be sure to use at least 3 bottom out tokens.

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    Does this mean the 2015 Fox Float 36 would be acceptable at the right travel?

    The A2C is 557.1mm on the 150mm travel.

    That means this would be 537.1 or 527.1 at 130mm or 120mm. (+/- 5mm)

    Any reason this would be a particularly good/bad fork? It's lighter than even the Float 34 and supports 20mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peteer01 View Post
    Does this mean the 2015 Fox Float 36 would be acceptable at the right travel?

    The A2C is 557.1mm on the 150mm travel.

    That means this would be 537.1 or 527.1 at 130mm or 120mm. (+/- 5mm)

    Any reason this would be a particularly good/bad fork? It's lighter than even the Float 34 and supports 20mm.
    Yes, 120mm would technically be OK, although crown clearance has not been verified for this new model. Just keep it under 532mm. Shorter is always OK in terms of frame integrity/warranty, but at some point the rider needs to consider the effects of a shorter fork on the intended ride characteristics and BB height. 527mm will not be a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarf View Post
    Yes, 120mm would technically be OK, although crown clearance has not been verified for this new model. Just keep it under 532mm. Shorter is always OK in terms of frame integrity/warranty, but at some point the rider needs to consider the effects of a shorter fork on the intended ride characteristics and BB height. 527mm will not be a problem.

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    Awesome! The 2015 36mm Fox Float is actually lighter than the Float 34, and both 15mm and 20mm axles (and adapters) come with the fork. I'm going to try to speak with Fox, but I'm hoping it will work at least as well as the Float 34.

    You mentioned crown clearance has not been verified. What would I need to confirm with Fox to know there won't be any issues?

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    We check components like this for fit in the computer and then again physically before we can officially say they are "compatible". Neither has happened for the new 36 yet. It's ultra-new and a little off our radar being a longer travel fork. I'm not even sure it can be down-converted to shorter travel without messing up the spring rate curves. I would assume it could be, but like Pike, would probably need a new 120-specific length air spring piston assembly and spacer to adjust the spring rate curve appropriately???....good luck, hope you get it sorted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarf View Post
    We check components like this for fit in the computer and then again physically before we can officially say they are "compatible". Neither has happened for the new 36 yet. It's ultra-new and a little off our radar being a longer travel fork. I'm not even sure it can be down-converted to shorter travel without messing up the spring rate curves. I would assume it could be, but like Pike, would probably need a new 120-specific length air spring piston assembly and spacer to adjust the spring rate curve appropriately???....good luck, hope you get it sorted.

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    Thank you for the detailed reply. I spoke with Fox on the phone and it sounds like they tried to make the Fox 36 match the geometry of the Fox 34 as much as possible.

    They will have spacers, and the person I spoke with was of the impression that the volume spacers (come with the fork) for the air chamber and travel spacers (do not come with the fork) are all all you would need. You do move the inner shaft up a slot for each spacer, but it sounds fairly easy to get the Fox 36 to run at 120mm with, within a few millimeters, the same geometry as the Fox 34.

    Sounds like it might be worth waiting a few weeks for?

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    I'm considering a HT as my next 29er the geo seems to be spot on and all the other details are great. The only thing that I'm a little unsure about it the available fork options. I would like to buy the frame only and get a fork that doesn't change the bikes geometry but still is a decent trail fork. I would consider the RS Revelation RCT3 as being the right choice but the 130mm version still has an axle to crown of 539mm which is 9mm higher than recommended..
    Any comments/recommendation on this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bliz2z View Post
    I'm considering a HT as my next 29er the geo seems to be spot on and all the other details are great. The only thing that I'm a little unsure about it the available fork options. I would like to buy the frame only and get a fork that doesn't change the bikes geometry but still is a decent trail fork. I would consider the RS Revelation RCT3 as being the right choice but the 130mm version still has an axle to crown of 539mm which is 9mm higher than recommended..
    Any comments/recommendation on this?
    You're outside of the warranty at that point. I looked at a lot of Fox options, as well as the Revelation and Pike, and after the time/cost/effort that goes into making the Fox 34 or 36 or the Revelation 120mm, it was worth it, for me, to just buy a 120mm Pike.

    Tree Fort Bikes sells a 120mm Revelation:
    Rock Shox Revelation RCT3 Solo Air 120 29" MaxleLite15 Diff Black Tapered 51 Offset in Tree Fort Bikes Forks (cat82)

    But their price was actually a little bit more than I was able to get my 120mm Pike for.

    I'd recommend going with an A2C that's both within the warranty and geometry design. Not sure the 9mm would be a noticeable difference for you, but I want to make sure I'm covered should I ever experience any issues.

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    Thanks for your input.
    I wasn't aware that a 120mm Revelation with 51mm offset exists. Anyway I sent two shops over here (Europe) an inquiry if they can lower the travel of a Pike RCT3 51 to 120mm for me. I think that would be the perfect fork for the frame.
    The A2C should be 531mm in that case, correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bliz2z View Post
    Thanks for your input.
    I wasn't aware that a 120mm Revelation with 51mm offset exists. Anyway I sent two shops over here (Europe) an inquiry if they can lower the travel of a Pike RCT3 51 to 120mm for me. I think that would be the perfect fork for the frame.
    The A2C should be 531mm in that case, correct?
    I thought the 51mm offset Pike was 530mm with 120mm of travel, but we're talking about a rounding error or acceptable variance at that point.

    The following from Zarf from Salsa should make you feel good about a Pike if that's what you're considering:

    Quote Originally Posted by Zarf View Post
    528-532mm A2C x 51 offset is the acceptable, tested, and certified fork range for the new Split Pivot Horsethief frame. Unlike the previous version of the frame, we did not test or certify the new frame for a 140mm length fork. Please do not use a fork resulting in a longer A2C than stated above. Doing so will void your frame warranty.

    Pike, Revelation, & Fox 34 must be run at 120mm travel.
    Fox 32 & Reba should be run at 130mm.

    Pike @ 120 is real good, in my testing experience. Be sure to use at least 3 bottom out tokens.

    -pk@salsa

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    Have I mentioned that my Horsethief goes up technical rocky stuff amazingly well? I just felt like saying that. Still happy!

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    mine does to and I'm glad I got my horsethief
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    WANTED: Horsethiefs!!! photo and discussion thread.....-photo-13.jpgWANTED: Horsethiefs!!! photo and discussion thread.....-photo-12.jpgWANTED: Horsethiefs!!! photo and discussion thread.....-photo-8.jpgWANTED: Horsethiefs!!! photo and discussion thread.....-photo-9.jpgWANTED: Horsethiefs!!! photo and discussion thread.....-photo-10.jpg2013 Horsethief 2, bought in January, from Big Kahuna Bicycles. Couldn't resist the fantastic deal on the leftover model. Probably have over 1000 miles on it now. Immediately (like, before I even sat on it) dumped the Elixirs for SLX. Now set up with tubeless Racing Ralph 2.25. If your riding conditions allow, I recommend this setup. This bike will really haul the mail now! Super fast downhill, and much easier to lug up climbs than the OEM Contis. Great, great bike. Really like the White Brothers fork too, though I'm chasing a small creak, which I actually think is the headset/crown race.

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    these are all really good looking bikes. I ditched my elixir brakes for xt brakes I put a maxxis icon on the rear and set tire tubeless also put a raceface 30t n/w on it for 1x10 I really like getting out and trying harder trails the bike just begs for more. I also have a creak/squeak noise can't tell if it's front hub or bottom bracket.
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    I'm close to pulling the trigger on the Race Face 32t. Did you just do the ring, with a clutch rear derailleur?
    My creak started when the bike was 3 months old. Had the headset removed and greased. The noise went away. Here we are after 3 more months, and it has returned. My lbs thinks it's the fork. White Brothers says it's probably an OEM crownrace with a slit in it. I'm gonna try a new race. It's not a "bad" noise, it's just that crap like that drives me nuts.

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    yes just the ring and a Shimano slx shadow plus Rd. a lot of people say you don't even need the clutched derailleur
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    Has anyone been able to ride both a <2013 and 2014 HT? Curious how much of a difference there is in the new frame design. I was one of the lucky ones who got a 2013 on sale last year from Universal and really liking it but always looking for a reason to upgrade.

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    This thing is amazing!

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    I detailed my build here, but now that it's done, I figured I would share a photo of my favorite bike.

    Frame: 2014 Horsethief size L
    Fork: Pike RCT3 120mm
    Front/Rear Derailleur: Shimano XT (medium cage, Shadow+)
    Cassette: 11-36 XT
    Chain: CN-HG95
    Crankset: 38/24 XT
    Headset: Cane Creek 40 ZS44/56
    Stem: Sette Avanti (cheap, 90mm, -7 degree, allows me to run 30mm of spacers in case I want to raise the bar)
    Handlebar: Answer Expert DH 780mm (currently 780mm)
    Grips: Sette Lock-on
    Shifter: XT
    Brakes: XT
    Rotors: RT86 (180mm front, 160mm back)
    Seatpost: Sette Edge (400 mm, 0 offset)
    Saddle: SDG Ti-Fly C
    Wheels: Sun Ringle Charger Pros (with 12 x 142mm adapter)
    Tires: Ardent 2.4 EXO (front), Ardent 2.25 TR (rear)
    Pedals: VP-Vice w/ Ti Axle
    Complete Bike Weight: 13.5 Kg / 29.7 lbs.

    Feeling very good about building it myself. The brake cables are uncut and need to be shortened, I may shorten the handlebars, and I will potentially upgrade the seatpost and stem once I'm clearer on what I want for each, but otherwise, this bike is exactly how I want it.

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    Re: WANTED: Horsethiefs!!! photo and discussion thread.....

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    I went from a Giant Reign 2 to the 2014 Horsethief 2 recently and wow this bike is confidence inspiring! This is my first 29er and I was comfortable the first ride.
    Great climber and awesome downhill bike. Perfect bike for Tahoe area trails.
    This is still all stock , I plan on putting a low rise bar and maybe a seat dropper soon.
    I have a creaking sound in a lower pivot or the bb I will have to bring it to the shop and have them squash that soon it can be annoying on climbs. WANTED: Horsethiefs!!! photo and discussion thread.....-photo-1-1-.jpgWANTED: Horsethiefs!!! photo and discussion thread.....-photo-2.jpgWANTED: Horsethiefs!!! photo and discussion thread.....-photo-3.jpg

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    Finished my build today. Did a short run in the rain and it felt pretty amazing. Can't wait to get it on a proper trail in the Alps.
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    Frame Salsa Horsethief large, Fox Float CTD
    Fork Rock Shox Pike RC3 51 120mm
    Seatpost RockShox Reverb Stealth 125mm
    Sattle Selle Italia SLR XC Flow
    Drivetrain SRAM X01
    Brakes Shimano XTR Trail
    Discs Shimano XTR Trail
    Tires Maxxis DHR II
    Handlebar Easton Havoc Carbon
    Stem Easton 55mm
    Grips Lizzard Skins DSP black
    Wheels DT Swiss SplineOne XM1501 29
    Pedals Shimano XT
    Headset Cane Creek 40

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    Wow. Wow wow wow. I can't believe how good this bike felt the first time out. Horsethief is such a fitting name, this bike wants you to ride it like you stole it. Strava failed on me twice on my two plus hours out there, so I didn't see any of my times to compare to my XC bike, but I felt very, very fast, especially on downhill sections.

    The front wheel wants to come up easily, which is not a criticism, just an observation. It does mean the bike goes fully airborne much easier than my XC bike. It handles amazing, and confidence inspiring is a great way to describe it. One of the things that shocks me the most is how good the bike feels immediately. I threw my seat back (I have very long arms, and I'm 6'2" on 20" Horsethief) and used a 90mm stem to mimic the XL build cockpit, with a 780mm handlebar. I don't want to tweak it. It already feels more natural than my current bike.

    I had a feeling that when Salsa was being so specific with their A2C recommendation, basically giving you 4mm to play with, they were on to something special, and I was going to replicate it with the Pike fitting the bike exactly as they desired. I don't know if changing anything would ruin the magic, but the bike was phenomenal today. I don't even know what the right superlatives would be. I just wish I could see how my ride on my first time out at a local trail compares to how I normally ride there to see where I was faster and more capable, and where I just felt faster and more capable.

    Photos, right? Here we go:
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    Waiting for my buddy on lap two, I found some wild raspberries that I started eating before I decided it might make a good photos:
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    I made some tweaks, minute adjustments to the brake and shifters to make all three levers on each side as natural as possible, and adjusted a limit screw on the front derailleur, but otherwise, the bike was incredible.

    My only concern/question is the rear shock travel. I've got my rear shock set for 200 psi (190 + 10) and my front shock (Pike) set for 90 psi (a 190 lbs rider). Riding in Decend/wide open on both, which I believe is what Salsa recommends for the rear shock below 200 lbs, here what my travel looked like:

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    I'm using almost all, if not all, of my rear travel, but have plenty to spare on my front fork.

    Should I be concerned? Add air to my rear fork (which the LBS said just a tad less than the recommended sag)? Take air out of my Pike? It is just part of braking in one or both shocks? The front and rear both felt good, but today was a much less aggressive trail than what I actually bought the bike for, although I road very aggressively today.

    Any ideas?

    Edit: I used my RockShox pump that came with the Pike instead of my Manitou to reduce pressure and then reinflate both the rear shock and fork. Tried to put the same PSI in both, but ended up with a touch more travel from the Pike, so maybe my Manitou overinflated my Pike. (The LBS used their pump on the rear suspension initially, so it looks like that was properly inflated.)
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    Things my 2014 Horsethief doesn't do:

    • Automatically change direction while airborne to avoid trees
    • Automatically make the rider's skill level and technique better
    • Improve the rider's decision making process


    Had my first two crashes today. I road all out at a local trail to see what the bike can do, and I still have no legitimate negative things to say about the bike! (Hence the joke list above)

    I definitely had some hairy moments, some bad line decisions and carrying too much speed at times, but a few scratches and a huge grin are all I have to show for it.

    Ended up with the second best time on a 2.4 mile loop I didn't know had a strava segment (I don't normally care about comparing my time to others, just racing myself) which was a nice surprise to see, and confirms I was going as fast as I thought I was. That loop was actually where I grazed a tree with my left hand and handlebar, and then later went over the handlebars, my only two crashes on the bike so far. No interest in trying to improve on that time, I was definitely flying, just trying to see how fast I could get back to the parking lot without a break.

    I likely won't be able to ride it again until next weekend. That seems so far away.
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    Getting back into MTB and coming from a 26" HT. I haven't had the time to fully put it through a good workout, but here she is....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jester7677 View Post
    Getting back into MTB and coming from a 26" HT. I haven't had the time to fully put it through a good workout, but here she is....

    Very nice. I wish the frame only option had been a brighter color, that bike looks good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tye View Post
    I went from a Giant Reign 2 to the 2014 Horsethief 2 recently and wow this bike is confidence inspiring! This is my first 29er and I was comfortable the first ride.
    Great climber and awesome downhill bike. Perfect bike for Tahoe area trails.
    This is still all stock , I plan on putting a low rise bar and maybe a seat dropper soon.
    I have a creaking sound in a lower pivot or the bb I will have to bring it to the shop and have them squash that soon it can be annoying on climbs. Click image for larger version. 

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    I had a creaking as well, and found it to be Page 3, Item 18 found within this document...

    http://salsacycles.com/files/tech/77...it_INST_V5.pdf
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    My Horsethief was a demo bike at my LBS that looked practically brand new. It was a bit out of my intended price range but the discount being offered was impossible to resist. It's my first real mountain bike and I'm extremely happy with my choice!

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    Interesting, thanks for the link! Did you just replace it and the creaking went away?
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    I had a creaking as well, and found it to be Page 3, Item 18 found within this document...

    http://salsacycles.com/files/tech/77...it_INST_V5.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by tye View Post
    Interesting, thanks for the link! Did you just replace it and the creaking went away?
    Nah, just tightened the hex bolt a little. Try and flexing the frame, putting side to side stress at various points. For me I first noticed it when pushing the crank inward. Then pushed and pulled on rear shock and gave that a shot.
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    Pic from steamboat enduro x

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    I have a '13 HT2, and the more I ride it, the more I love it. I know it isn't the current design, but it works great for me. Plus I like the simplicity of a single pivot.

    I'm still learning to ride the bike, I haven't gotten to hit the trail as much as I'd like to, maybe twice a month.

    For a while I was convinced that the bike didn't handle that great, but I realized it was my technique. I've always been a more neutral rider, I tended to just guide the bike. I've realized with the HT, you have to manhandle it a bit and really force it into the corners. Once I got more aggressive with it, I've noticed my cornering and speed has greatly improved. I still have a slight problem with traction in the front ned, I think the wide tire wants to cause it to wash out in the looser stuff. Shifting me weight a tad forward and getting out of the saddle combats this.

    I LOVE the suspension... I hit a very rooty trail the other day, with the roots and washed out ground making basically stairsteps, and this thing climbed right up. In fact, if I stayed seated and pulled back on the bars, I could cruise right over the roots w/out even feeling them.

    I'm still amazed at what this bike will get over. The other day I was on an unfamiliar trail and picked a bad line...the trail went down and back up a steep gully. Coming up I was slightly to the right, I really needed to be to the left. The left had a nice clean line, the right had this giant tree root at the top of the gully, it must have been at least a foot tall and looked like a wall at the top of the climb. I realized I couldn't turn quickly enough to get away from the root, so I just pulled back a bit and hoped for the best, and then....nothing. I cruised right over it like it wasn't even there.

    I'm also getting used to the Queen Mary-esque turning radius. Tight trees are still a problem, I still need to cut down the bars a bit. It's a good thing the guy in front of me stopped at a narrow tree gap on my last ride...if he hadn't I'd have had a nasty surprise. My bars were at least an inch wider than the gap.

    I also like the fact that it's different, I've never seen another one on the trail, and I always get asked questions about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jester7677 View Post
    Nah, just tightened the hex bolt a little. Try and flexing the frame, putting side to side stress at various points. For me I first noticed it when pushing the crank inward. Then pushed and pulled on rear shock and gave that a shot.
    Great! Thanks for the tip it will be nice to climb in silence for once.

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    Just thought I 'd weigh in on converting the Conti Mtn. Kings that come on the '13s to tubeless. I DON'T ADVISE. I ran mine for a few months and had 3 different burps on the front. The last of which resulted in a pretty bad crash that I remarkably made it out of. The rear sidewall ripped on that one too rendering me with a double flat (and twisted stem, ripped out Reverb hose, etc) in the middle of nowhere.
    Those tires are not tubeless ready. The sidewalls are thin and the bead is not strong.
    All that said, I am 90% strength and 10% finesse rider in the Rock Mountains that likes speed. A more graceful rider on smoother trails might be fine...
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    I agree with above, have had a number of burps and leaks due to tires not being tubeless ready
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    Quote Originally Posted by lweilenman View Post
    I agree with above, have had a number of burps and leaks due to tires not being tubeless ready
    I had similar problems with those Contis. If you get the ones with the protection sidewalls, no problem. I'm running them and have been very satisfied. The sidewalls on the stock tires are way too thin.
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    WANTED: Horsethiefs!!! photo and discussion thread.....

    I'm 44, 6'2", 185 and getting back into riding after 20 years away. After 100 miles of easy riding, I did 6 miles of intermediate today with the 2014 Horsethief 2 (Large). I've added a Gravity Turbo LP Dropper post, ODI grips, Hylix Carbon Riser Bar (720mm) and a new WTB saddle.

    Bike was fantastic and god bless 29er, FS! I had it in full travel and didn't feel I was being robbed of any power. Front end was light or coming up when I was really pedaling hard. Handles great, but the rider needs more skill and get used to maneuvering it a bit more (pedals got creamed more than once). Cruised through rocky/rooty downhills.

    Dropper post was amazing. I got the 400mm, 2.5" and 5" drop version with left switch from Price Point, for a great price. Dropping 5" on the downhills really, really, really helped. Kept it at 2.5" most other times, full height on the easy stuff. Worth every penny being able to adjust on the fly. Putting pressure on the seat to release the pin or move the seat is not a big deal at all. No fluids is good with me!

    Fox knee/shin pads and elbow pads were awesome too. Bit it 3 times but not a single scratch, and at my age, that means something.

    Bike has been christened with some good blemishes but I couldn't recommend this bike more. But then again, I haven't ridden a ton of different bikes. I chose this over a Santa Cruz Tallboy 29er (just too above the bike) and a Scott Genius 27.5 (didn't move me that much more than the 96 Cannondale f700 I came from to pull the trigger). I liked a Carbon Scott Genius but too much money and still a little eh.



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    Quote Originally Posted by teartags View Post
    Just thought I 'd weigh in on converting the Conti Mtn. Kings that come on the '13s to tubeless. I DON'T ADVISE. I ran mine for a few months and had 3 different burps on the front. The last of which resulted in a pretty bad crash that I remarkably made it out of. The rear sidewall ripped on that one too rendering me with a double flat (and twisted stem, ripped out Reverb hose, etc) in the middle of nowhere.
    Those tires are not tubeless ready. The sidewalls are thin and the bead is not strong.
    All that said, I am 90% strength and 10% finesse rider in the Rock Mountains that likes speed. A more graceful rider on smoother trails might be fine...
    I haven't had issues with burping or torn sidewalls, however I still run pressures right around 30psi.

    They don't hold air very well though. I had no problem seating the bead on the Stan's wheels with just a floor pump, but every time I ride I have to add air.

    Maybe I need to add more sealant, I don't know.

    I love tubeless though, I've pulled some nasty stuff out of the tires and they've sealed right up. Just the other day I pulled a sharp stick that must have been 1/8" out of the tread, and it sealed.

    Still LOVING the bike though. Now that I can corner better, I'm trying to learn how to jump. I've never been much good at that, but it seems like this bike begs for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xlr8r66 View Post
    I'm close to pulling the trigger on the Race Face 32t. Did you just do the ring, with a clutch rear derailleur?
    My creak started when the bike was 3 months old. Had the headset removed and greased. The noise went away. Here we are after 3 more months, and it has returned. My lbs thinks it's the fork. White Brothers says it's probably an OEM crownrace with a slit in it. I'm gonna try a new race. It's not a "bad" noise, it's just that crap like that drives me nuts.
    I just fixed a creak today. Turns out the bearing for the suspension pivot was loose. Of course it was a bit of a PITA as I had to remove the crankset and chain guide to get at the bolt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StuntmanMike View Post
    I just fixed a creak today. Turns out the bearing for the suspension pivot was loose. Of course it was a bit of a PITA as I had to remove the crankset and chain guide to get at the bolt.

    Booo, but I can relate. I'm finding that the Shop probably didn't put any Grease on some of the Outside Diameters that they should have. What do you expect. That'll be my winter tinkering.
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    Just ordered a Reverb dropper for mine!

    I think I got a pretty good deal if anyone else wants one..... Merlin cycles had them for $262.50, with an additional 10% off and free shipping = $236 shipped.

    I can't wait to get it! Every ride I go on I think at some point "wow, this section here would be great with a dropper". I also just entered a 25mile race next weekend, I'm psyched for that as it's my first one. I't pretty flat, but mostly all rocks and roots. This bike will be great for that.
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    I've had my 2014 horsethief 2 for a few months now so I'll give a quick review.

    I'm just under 6'2" and feel the large fits great. I love the roomy feeling of the long top tube.
    This is my first 29er. Coming from a 120mm travil 26" bike the horsethief does everything better. It took me a few rides to get used to the big wheels but now I can't see myself going back. I've fooled around with the rear shock and right now I'm running almost 30% sag. The bike still climbs great, I'm more of a "sit and spin" climber and I don't notice any loss of power transfer. I do use the climb mode on smooth fireroads and the street.The rear suspension feels bottomless when going downhill. I like to think it feels more active when braking compared to my last bike. My local trails range from high speed rock gardens and blown out corners to smooth flowy trails. The long and slack geometry gives me confidence when speed picks up but the bike still feels lively and flickable when I need it to be. I think the 51mm offset fork and shortish chainstays attribute to this.
    Coming from 26" wheels one of the first things I noticed was the gain in grip. The rear tire never spins out on steep loose climbs and the front wheel feels planted in the loose corners.

    I've swapped out a few components.
    I'm running a 60mm stem and 780mm wide bars. The cockpit is very comfy for me.
    I threw on my gravity dropper post and swapped the saddle.

    The stock avid elixir 7's have been decent. I like the feel of them but they lack power compared to the shimanos on my last bike.
    The weakest component has been the fox fork. I've found it feels best to leave it in trail mode and run a bit less pressure than normal. It still blows through its travel but ramps up and I rarely use the last 20mm of travel. Think I'll send it to Push when it needs to be serviced.

    A few weeks back I raced the local XC race on the 'thief and it felt great. It's not going to be as efficient and fast as a race bike but for a sport class racer like myself it was great.

    Overall I've been super happy with this bike and recommend it to anyone in the market for a do-it-all 29er.

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    780mm bar! Wow, that's really wide!!


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    Just got a few more goodies for mine...

    As stated above, the Reverb is on the way, I als picked up some Serfas ergo style grips from the LBS, and I have a EA70 685mm / 20 degree rise bar coming as well. It's about an inch and a half shorter than the stocker, which will hopefully cure the Queen Mary feeling on tight trails. And it's white too, which I think is gonna look great with the blue bike and white fork!


    Unrelated question:

    For those of you still running the stock Contis (tubeless), what pressures are you running?
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    Interested in the carbon frame coming out this fall. Does anyone know if it's a full carbon, or just front triangle? Looking at the pics, the rear triangle looks the same as the current frames - aluminum.

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    Winter Park Florida Horsethief!

    This bike is just plain sick!!!WANTED: Horsethiefs!!! photo and discussion thread.....-20140912_161358_5_bestshot.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by wi1trackrider View Post
    Interested in the carbon frame coming out this fall. Does anyone know if it's a full carbon, or just front triangle? Looking at the pics, the rear triangle looks the same as the current frames - aluminum.
    You are correct. Front triangle is carbon and the rear triangle is aluminum.

    There is a demo in my area this weekend. Can't wait to get on the carbon Horsethief and really looking forward to jumping on a Bucksaw.

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    my 2012

    here is mine from Labor Day, rode part of segment 14 of the Colorado Trail at the Chalk Cliffs near Mt Princeton hot springs. All these 2014 split pivots are making me jealous...



    Love the bike and BIG ups to Salsa, early this June I completely toasted the freehub body and contacted them, I was afraid my warranty was over since i got the bike on closeout. Had my LBS (Levi at YAWP!) take it apart and they sent a new rear hub free of charge and even paid to have the wheel relaced! Couldnt ask for better service!

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